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Cañas vs. Henman QF

Denaon
03-17-2005, 04:03 AM
Willy has a 4-1 record against Tim, and as I could not see any of their matches, I dunno how they've been playing till this point. I feel confident about Willy kicking Henman's ass...:bounce:
Opinions?

Smankyou
03-17-2005, 04:34 AM
I'm torn between the two.

tennischick
03-17-2005, 04:42 AM
kick him Willy ;)

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 06:42 AM
Cañas will do him again.

Roger-No.1
03-17-2005, 07:57 AM
Canas Henman.... one more time!

Breaker
03-17-2005, 08:37 AM
I reckon Canas will bring home the bacon

...He'll also beat Henman

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 08:42 AM
This won't be as dramatic as the last one, that was one match I won't forget in a while, as long as the result is the same that is what counts.

TheBoiledEgg
03-17-2005, 08:54 AM
lets go Canas, lets kick his ass again

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 08:56 AM
Henman leading 4-1 in the 3rd and 0-30 on the Cañas serve, he serves a slow second serve and wins the match from that far back would be great to see again.

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 09:19 AM
If Henman could get THAT close to ending him at the Aus Open 2004, I am confident he can repeat the scoreline of the first two sets.

If will be extremely tough but I think Tim will be keen to kick Canas's arse. It isn't as if he is Hewitt whom Henman fears. Plus, Canas has never done anything significant in IW - Henman is the slight favourite here I think ;)

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 09:30 AM
The only time Henman is a favourite against Cañas is on grass. Cañas has beaten the farmer 3 times on a hardcourt and the last time I looked this surface was hardcourt

Henman is 1-4 against Cañas, so I doubt he'd be the favourite in this match. I am looking forward to adding this one to the pigeon list.

Fergie
03-17-2005, 10:59 AM
Cañas will win again ;) ... Vamos Willy!!! :bigclap:

joeb_uk
03-17-2005, 11:01 AM
Looks like spy sports are just showing one match at 10pm (which looks like it will be henman). I am really interested in watching this match, hopefully canas can tear him up :D We will get a fed kiefer reply tomorrow, but will we get the other quarters?
Also just wondering, why do sky sports not show any night matches? they have done for masters events (other than this) and they dont exactly show anything on at 12

bad gambler
03-17-2005, 11:02 AM
william

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 11:02 AM
Looks like spy sports are just showing one match at 10pm (which looks like it will be henman). I am really interested in watching this match, hopefully canas can tear him up :D We will get a fed kiefer reply tomorrow, but will we get the other quarters?

I am not sure, but go Cañas.

bad gambler
03-17-2005, 11:03 AM
he will whip those returns at timothy's feet - tough to pick those up

c'mon william!

Smankyou
03-17-2005, 11:06 AM
Timothy.

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 11:09 AM
he will whip those returns at timothy's feet - tough to pick those up

c'mon william!

He owns him and I can see the running machine beating Timothy, just hope Cañas is fully fit. That 2004 match being there live was great stuff I have to say and the result was better.

bad gambler
03-17-2005, 11:13 AM
He owns him and I can see the running machine beating Timothy, just hope Cañas is fully fit. That 2004 match being there live was great stuff I have to say and the result was better.

i was there as well - superb performance and great comeback, from that day on was always a fan of the little man...plays a simlar game with a huge heart similar to another one of my favs ;)

Bilbo
03-17-2005, 11:14 AM
Willy will rip Henman a new one

bad gambler
03-17-2005, 11:15 AM
Willy will rip Henman a new one

now how did i know you were going to say that.......

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 11:15 AM
i was there as well - superb performance and great comeback, from that day on was always a fan of the little man...plays a simlar game with a huge heart similar to another one of my favs ;)

All the Pommy backpackers there for the $ 15 and the court was so full. I had to stand on a garbo to see the court for about 15 mins before I could get in, and then I was stuck with a bunch of Poms and I was going for Cañas, it was fun. :)

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 11:17 AM
Willy will rip Henman a new one

I was waiting for Bilbo to make an appearance and this thread and yes if Timmy is ripped a new one then it's good.

Neely
03-17-2005, 11:27 AM
Well, considering his ranking, Canas is one of the biggest underachievers in Grand Slams and Masters that is going around. Whilst the likes of Roddick, Federer, Coria, Moya, Henman, Nalbandian made it constantly far in Grand Slams or Masters, Canas' best in this category was the one TMS semifinal in Paris and the Quarterfinal now.

H2H favours Canas, my experience with him at this stage favours Henman.
BTW, after his AO run when he has beaten very easily all his opponents until facing Davydenko I also thought he will make it, and the outcome was that he went down quickly in straight sets.

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 11:30 AM
Neely, Cañas won TMS Toronto please get the facts right.

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 11:31 AM
I have good vibes on this one...for a start, Henman hasn't said "I'm feeling quietly confident." :lol:

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 11:32 AM
Cañas winning TMS Toronto for those who don't believe it.

R64 Federer, Roger (SUI ) 7 7-6(10) 7-5
R32 Srichaphan, Paradorn (THA ) 57 6-2 6-1
R16 Kafelnikov, Yevgeny (RUS ) 23 6-2 6-2
Q Safin, Marat (RUS ) 2 7-5 6-3
S Haas, Tommy (GER ) 10 6-4 3-6 7-6(5)
W Roddick, Andy (USA ) 15 6-4 7-5

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 11:32 AM
Willy will rip Henman a new one

:haha: "Clear as water" ;)

Bilbo
03-17-2005, 11:33 AM
Well, considering his ranking, Canas is one of the biggest underachievers in Grand Slams and Masters that is going around. Whilst the likes of Roddick, Federer, Coria, Moya, Henman, Nalbandian made it constantly far in Grand Slams or Masters, Canas' best in this category was the one TMS semifinal in Paris and the Quarterfinal now.

Moya, what? Consistent? Nalbandian? This guy is the most overrated player going around. But thanks for underrating Willy. He won TMS Toronto in a way most players can only dream of.


H2H favours Canas, my experience with him at this stage favours Henman.
BTW, after his AO run when he has beaten very easily all his opponents until facing Davydenko I also thought he will make it, and the outcome was that he went down quickly in straight sets.

We will see. Your predicitions never were the best.

Can't agree with all your views, sorry.

Bilbo
03-17-2005, 11:34 AM
Cañas winning TMS Toronto for those who don't believe it.

R64 Federer, Roger (SUI ) 7 7-6(10) 7-5
R32 Srichaphan, Paradorn (THA ) 57 6-2 6-1
R16 Kafelnikov, Yevgeny (RUS ) 23 6-2 6-2
Q Safin, Marat (RUS ) 2 7-5 6-3
S Haas, Tommy (GER ) 10 6-4 3-6 7-6(5)
W Roddick, Andy (USA ) 15 6-4 7-5

Best TMS victory of all time, hands down.

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 11:34 AM
BTW, after his AO run when he has beaten very easily all his opponents until facing Davydenko I also thought he will make it, and the outcome was that he went down quickly in straight sets.

Both of them lost to him. In fact, both players have lost matches this year to in-form players. Will be interesting.

bad gambler
03-17-2005, 11:35 AM
:lol:

bilbo u just ripped neely are new one :p

just an oversight by neels that's all

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 11:37 AM
BTW, after his AO run when he has beaten very easily all his opponents until facing Davydenko I also thought he will make it, and the outcome was that he went down quickly in straight sets.

Did you see that match? Davydenko played of his nut and won't play that well again. He was closing his eyes and going for everything and it worked, plus he hit some very good drop volleys and got beneficial calls at some good moments early, but that was a top performance from him that day.

Bilbo
03-17-2005, 11:38 AM
just an oversight by neels that's all

Not sure mate. She always dislike Willy for some reason.

And how can you name Nalbandian? He has not done more than Willy in his career. I would even say Willy is the better player from what he has done.

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 11:38 AM
Best TMS victory of all time, hands down.

Yes, but it's Cañas so that victory doesn't get the kudos it deserves.

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 11:39 AM
I mean if you are going to bag player, make sure all the facts are there.

Neely
03-17-2005, 11:43 AM
Moya, what? Consistent? Nalbandian? This guy is the most overrated player going around. But thanks for underrating Willy. He won TMS Toronto in a way most players can only dream of.
I know he has the Toronto TMS in a very dominant way, but he is relatively bad in Grand Slams and Masters the rest of the time. Moya and Nalbandian made it how many more times to Quarterfinals/semifinals/finals/wins in either Grand Slams or TMS than Canas?.... Canas is playing since how many years now on the Tour? But he still has "only" two Quarterfinals in Grand Slams, that's a weakness and he isn't ranked almost top 10 for the first time in his career. I'm not saying that Canas is a bad player, but what I'm saying is that he is normally losing a bit too early in bigger events...


We will see. Your predicitions never were the best.
that's why the gambling is up to you :p :)

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 11:45 AM
I still think Henman will win...but it will have to be in staight sets because he will fear a Canas comeback. Henman loves the event...Canas never has really. I guess the court does play more to Canas's strengths but I think Tim will be ready for him. He is eager...unlike against Hewitt when he concedes defeat the day before the match.

I was right with Henman v Robredo when few believed me....hopefully I am right again! :lol:

Neely
03-17-2005, 11:45 AM
Neely, Cañas won TMS Toronto please get the facts right.
I never said he didn't win it... nor do I try telling you that Henman is going to win for sure 100%...

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 11:46 AM
Henman v Canas in the latter stages of a big tournament - Henman the favourite for me...more so in the last few years.

Canas in the early rounds is very dangerous. In the latter stages he starts to think about winning the tourney and craps his pants.

Bilbo
03-17-2005, 11:51 AM
In the latter stages he starts to think about winning the tourney and craps his pants.

He knows he has no chance of winning the title but a great chance of reaching the Semifinal. That's enough for him and a very good results in the 5th biggest tournament in the world.

bad gambler
03-17-2005, 11:52 AM
He knows he has no chance of winning the title but a great chance of reaching the Semifinal. That's enough for him and a very good results in the 5th biggest tournament in the world.


i think you forgot the end of year masters tournament.....

Bilbo
03-17-2005, 11:53 AM
Yes, but it's Cañas so that victory doesn't get the kudos it deserves.

I remember that tournament. It was one of the best perfomances I've ever seen during a week.

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 11:54 AM
He knows he has no chance of winning the title but a great chance of reaching the Semifinal. That's enough for him and a very good results in the 5th biggest tournament in the world.

Well 99% of people in the draw didn't think they could win the thing either ;) I think Canas will be under a bit of pressure. He struggled with Dent early on...and Dent was clearly in a lot of discomfort...as I said before..if Henman loses the first set...bye bye Brit :scared:

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 11:55 AM
I never said he didn't win it... nor do I try telling you that Henman is going to win for sure 100%...

Considering these are your words. "Canas' best in this category was the one TMS semifinal in Paris and the Quarterfinal now."

That being the case this means you totally missed the fact that he has won a TMS title which therefore is a greater achievement when you say the above was the best category.

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 11:57 AM
Jez, I love the Henman love please never lose that and he won't win. He'll do what he usually does, fall at the last or 2nd last hurdle, but in this case it'll be the 3rd last hurdle.

Cañas is a step up in class than Robredo.

Bilbo
03-17-2005, 11:58 AM
but what I'm saying is that he is normally losing a bit too early in bigger events...

Ever think about Moya and Nalbandian have a better seeding in big tournaments? You can't expect him to beat Federer or Roddick when he plays them in early rounds. He doesn't have the weapons to do it. US Open 2004 he played Roddick in Round 3 for example.

Bilbo
03-17-2005, 12:00 PM
That being the case this means you totally missed the fact that he has won a TMS title which therefore is a greater achievement when you say the above was the best category.

I'm pretty sure she really didn't know he has won TMS Toronto which is disappointed because she has to know that.

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 12:02 PM
Jez, I love the Henman love please never lose that and he won't win. He'll do what he usually does, fall at the last or 2nd last hurdle, but in this case it'll be the 3rd last hurdle.

Cañas is a step up in class than Robredo.

Yeah I'll never lose the Henman love! :lol:

I do genuinely think Henman has a 51% chance of winning this match - it isn't just bulls***! He is undoubtedly a step up from Robredo and Tim will have to play better, but i think he is ready. Henman is depserate for a great result...and the SF is perfect to boost his Race ranking up from top 50 to top 15.

Besides, Canas had real difficultly disposing of him in their last few meetings...Henman might not be so charitable this time.

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 12:03 PM
I remember that tournament. It was one of the best perfomances I've ever seen during a week.

It was so unexpected and that is what made it better. The guy can play, but he does need to improve his record in Slams and should have made the QF in Melbourne, but a combo of a slow start and PMK playing a blinder stopped that. He should do better at RG as long as he doesn't get Guga in the 1st round.

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 12:04 PM
Ever think about Moya and Nalbandian have a better seeding in big tournaments? You can't expect him to beat Federer or Roddick when he plays them in early rounds. He doesn't have the weapons to do it. US Open 2004 he played Roddick in Round 3 for example.

Well, that point is fair. But he should be hoisting his ranking up to a position where he doesn't play them early and can go deep into the draws. Henman was in a truly crap position in Paris Masters 2003 - he was top seed for QUALIES!! He got into the main draw and beat a hugely impressive list of players to get back into the top 15. That kickstarted his grea tseason last year which he undoubtedly wouldn't have had if he had started the year where I expected - 40.

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 12:06 PM
Yeah I'll never lose the Henman love! :lol:

You better not.

I do genuinely think Henman has a 51% chance of winning this match - it isn't just bulls***! He is undoubtedly a step up from Robredo and Tim will have to play better, but i think he is ready. Henman is depserate for a great result...and the SF is perfect to boost his Race ranking up from top 50 to top 15.

Well he has finalist points to defend, so he has more on the line, though Cañas can get in the top 10 with some good results before RG.

Besides, Canas had real difficultly disposing of him in their last few meetings...Henman might not be so charitable this time.

Henman has always been the favourite except the one time they played on clay, so it's Henman not measuring up in this case and not Cañas. Henman will bottle it like he has done before in their matches.

Neely
03-17-2005, 12:08 PM
I'm pretty sure she really didn't know he has won TMS Toronto which is disappointed because she has to know that.
Bilbo, I probably mentioned this on this forum some time before and you can be sure I knew it.... but yes, I forgot to make it clear at this moment and it sounded as if I had forgotten this. Props to you for giving attention. The error is corrected now and Canas got his mention for his effort.

Bilbo
03-17-2005, 12:08 PM
Well, that point is fair. But he should be hoisting his ranking up to a position where he doesn't play them early and can go deep into the draws. Henman was in a truly crap position in Paris Masters 2003 - he was top seed for QUALIES!! He got into the main draw and beat a hugely impressive list of players to get back into the top 15. That kickstarted his grea tseason last year which he undoubtedly wouldn't have had if he had started the year where I expected - 40.

Willy made a huge run at the end of 2004 after his comeback to boost his ranking. He's on the way to the top10 which is his target for this year. Besides that he was the best comeback player of 2004.

Wulfram
03-17-2005, 12:09 PM
Jez, I love the Henman love please never lose that and he won't win. He'll do what he usually does, fall at the last or 2nd last hurdle, but in this case it'll be the 3rd last hurdle.

Cañas is a step up in class than Robredo.

Henman is at least couple of steps up in class from Chela and Dent.

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 12:11 PM
Willy made a huge run at the end of 2004 after his comeback to boost his ranking. He's on the way to the top10 which is his target for this year. Besides that he was the best comeback player of 2004.

Not disputing that at all. It was undoubtedly the greatest comeback last year and he and his fans should be very proud. I did think he would finish in the top 50, but not top 12 - :worship:

What I am disputing is your excuses for him losing in 3rd round to Fed, Roddick etc.

bad gambler
03-17-2005, 12:11 PM
it's up to henman to try something different - canas will be sweating on any second serves so onus is on henman to make the play


canas in straight sets

good night

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 12:11 PM
Henman is at least couple of steps up in class from Chela and Dent.

4-1 Cañas and 3 of those wins have been on hardcourts, so how is Henman the favourite?

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 12:12 PM
Henman is at least couple of steps up in class from Chela and Dent.

How is that relevant?? :confused:

Dent was going to be extremely tough for him...i might have even picked Dent to beat Tim given Tim's appalling recodrd against big servers...and ones that can back up big serves with volleys.

Henman would have spanked Chela's ass over to Miami and back before he could say "Thanks for the lesson."

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 12:13 PM
it's up to henman to try something different - canas will be sweating on any second serves so onus is on henman to make the play


canas in straight sets

good night

Night bg. No, I don't even want a running forehand down the line 4m behind the baseline on match point.

I want it to be close again and Henman just lose, it makes it more enjoyable.

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 12:17 PM
4-1 Cañas and 3 of those wins have been on hardcourts, so how is Henman the favourite?

All the little things rolled into one mate ;)

1 - track record in IW
2 - better run on hardcourts over the last 15 months - the scenes of Henman's finest form, regardless of Canas making his comeback.
3 - court suits Henman's game quite well...maybe Canas more...but if it suits Henman it is always a good sign
4 - Henman showed great form at times yesterday. Canas has struggled with Chela and didn't get a complete match against Dent. Canas is also supposedly struggling with an injury - might affect him as match rolls on.
5 - crowd - in favour of Henman. MIGHT make a difference.
6 - another QF for Henman. He is used to this stage in a MS. Canas isn't so used to it.
7 - Who wants to face Federer more??!!! One of them may not want to!

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 12:18 PM
I want it to be close again and Henman just lose, it makes it more enjoyable.

:haha: You are really cruel! :devil: :fiery:

Don't think of showing your face for a few days if Henman wins... :lol:

Wulfram
03-17-2005, 12:25 PM
How is that relevant?? :confused:

It's as relevant as the relative class of Robredo and Canas - that may not be very much, but it was not I who started this line of argument

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 12:26 PM
All the little things rolled into one mate ;)

1 - track record in IW
2 - better run on hardcourts over the last 15 months - the scenes of Henman's finest form, regardless of Canas making his comeback.
3 - court suits Henman's game quite well...maybe Canas more...but if it suits Henman it is always a good sign
4 - Henman showed great form at times yesterday. Canas has struggled with Chela and didn't get a complete match against Dent. Canas is also supposedly struggling with an injury - might affect him as match rolls on.
5 - crowd - in favour of Henman. MIGHT make a difference.
6 - another QF for Henman. He is used to this stage in a MS. Canas isn't so used to it.
7 - Who wants to face Federer more??!!! One of them may not want to!

Thanks for stating your reasons and they are easy to read which is a bonus as well.

1. Irrelevant, the court dimensions are exactly the same.
2. Forgetting the match ups against each other, that is more important how they meet up really. Cañas did win 2 tournaments on hard, a final and a TMS so that's not that important.
3. The slower the court for Cañas the better, and IW is not supposed to be that quick.
4. It doesn't matter what happens beforehand, it's when they get on court. Cañas will be in Henman's head whether you like it or not, especially if it gets close.
5. It's an American crowd full of geriatrics, they care about Americans only.
6. Cañas has won a TMS before, as many as Henman actually.
7. Well just like I told you last year. The first time Federer got to play Henman on a slower surface look what happened. Cañas hasn't played Federer for years.

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 12:26 PM
It's as relevant as the relative class of Robredo and Canas - that may not be very much, but it was not I who started this line of argument

Obviously looking at how certain players match up seems to be out of your grasp.

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 12:27 PM
Thanks for stating your reasons and they are easy to read which is a bonus as well.

1. Irrelevant, the court dimensions are exactly the same.
2. Forgetting the match ups against each other, that is more important how they meet up really. Cañas did win 2 tournaments on hard, a final and a TMS so that's not that important.
3. The slower the court for Cañas the better, and IW is not supposed to be that quick.
4. It doesn't matter what happens beforehand, it's when they get on court. Cañas will be in Henman's head whether you like it or not, especially if it gets close.
5. It's an American crowd full of geriatrics, they care about Americans only.
6. Cañas has won a TMS before, as many as Henman actually.
7. Well just like I told you last year. The first time Federer got to play Henman on a slower surface look what happened. Cañas hasn't played Federer for years.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

:bigcry: :bigcry: - I guess you have given me an 'F' then!! :lol:

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 12:27 PM
Obviously looking at how certain players match up seems to be out of your grasp.

:haha: :haha: Don't hold back GWH!

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 12:30 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

:bigcry: :bigcry: - I guess you have given me an 'F' then!! :lol:

Not all man, you have argued one point and I have argued another.

The good thing about this game is that there are rarely draws, so one of us will look good and the other one will be incorrect on this occasion.

If this was Henman vs Gaudio. I'd almost put the house on Henman.

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 12:32 PM
If this was Henman vs Gaudio. I'd almost put the house on Henman.

:scared: - when Henman is concerned you never wager as much as that! :lol:

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 12:35 PM
:scared: - when Henman is concerned you never wager as much as that! :lol:

If Gaudio wins a set next time they play I'll celebrate, just like you would if he could beat Cañas in a close match.

Jogy
03-17-2005, 12:41 PM
Neely: I just checked and because you did not talking about Canas win you sayed he made two QFs in Grand Slams. But he made only one, even more bad! So one error in disadvantage of Canas, one in favour of Canas. :p evens out :p

BTW, I agree: Canas is not a big time player at the "big event" like you calls it, but playing well that his rank is justify.

Wulfram
03-17-2005, 12:42 PM
Obviously looking at how certain players match up seems to be out of your grasp.

Your ability to judge what is in my grasp based on two sentences of text is impressive.

It is clear that their games match up pretty equally, as is shown by the extreme closeness of their previous matches - this isn't a Hewitt-Henman or Roddick-Robredo type head to head. It'll come down to who is in the best form, and I think that is, just about, Henman.

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 12:48 PM
Your ability to judge what is in my grasp based on two sentences of text is impressive.

It is clear that their games match up pretty equally, as is shown by the extreme closeness of their previous matches - this isn't a Hewitt-Henman or Roddick-Robredo type head to head. It'll come down to who is in the best form, and I think that is, just about, Henman.

Thanks for your insincerity, but to address the point.

4-1 is convincing and if Cañas wins then Henman is his pigeon which ever way you look at it.

Ok, an example Ferrero leads Mantilla 8-0 in the H2H. Two of those matches were decided by breakers, 2 others went to a 3rd set, while half of the matches have been very close Ferrero has a hold over Felix.

It's the same here Henman has had more than enough chances to defeat Cañas in the matches that he lost, he wasn't good enough. Cañas is very comfortable playing against Henman and always has the belief that he is going to win and if it's close again the previous experience will come into it, whether you like it or not.

Wulfram
03-17-2005, 01:09 PM
Thanks for your insincerity, but to address the point.

4-1 is convincing and if Cañas wins then Henman is his pigeon which ever way you look at it.

Ok, an example Ferrero leads Mantilla 8-0 in the H2H. Two of those matches were decided by breakers, 2 others went to a 3rd set, while half of the matches have been very close Ferrero has a hold over Felix.

8-0, of which 4 were somewhat close, is rather different from 4-1, of which 3 were extremely close.

Have a look at a different head to head. Before the match at Houston, Henman had a 3-1 H2H lead over Roddick, with all his victories being close. Roddick was still favourite going in, and this time he did win, though again it was close.

It's the same here Henman has had more than enough chances to defeat Cañas in the matches that he lost, he wasn't good enough. Cañas is very comfortable playing against Henman and always has the belief that he is going to win and if it's close again the previous experience will come into it, whether you like it or not.

Past history is obviously relevant. I wouldn't dispute it. If it wasn't for the past history, then there wouldn't be any discussion about whether Henman was favourite - it would be clear for all to see. As it is, I think it will be a good, closely contested match with Henman just about favourite, and I can see why someone might favour Canas' chances.

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 01:14 PM
Henman is not the favourite against someone he doesn't like playing and no he doesn't like playing Cañas, Ljubicic, though not to the level of Hewitt, this is the case here as well.

If they play another 4 times I could see Cañas winning 3 of those, it's a hoodoo player for Henman and he won't break that hoodoo in this match.

Aguante_el_Gato
03-17-2005, 01:36 PM
I believe that Cañas is going to beat Henman. That´s something subjective and therefore I haven't many objective reasons to endorse my feeling.
Simply, I have faith in the victory of the great fighter. ;)

On the other hand, I have read several times that Nalbandian is an over rated player.
With this currículum in GS, is He really an over rated player?

David Nalbandian - Grand Slam Singles Results:
Year AO RG W US
2001 - - - 3RD
2002 2ND 3RD RUP 1ST
2003 QF 2ND 4TH SF
2004 QF SF - -
2005 QF

Neely
03-17-2005, 02:00 PM
On the other hand, I have read several times that Nalbandian is an over rated player.
With this currículum in GS, is He really an over rated player?
Yes you are right and you've got serious points to back this up here. We know that Nalbandian is also losing early in lots of tournaments and he isn't the best when it comes to winning finals, but as you, Aguante, pointed out, Nalbandian could deliver some very good results in ALL FOUR GRAND SLAMS and in a few more Masters. You don't make it that far if you are only overrated or overhyped, he proved it in the biggest four tournaments of the world on the court.

And that was exactly being my point when I started posting in this thread: Players like Moya, Federer, Hewitt, Nalbandian, Roddick, Henman could deliver in the big events so far much more -I repeat- much more frequently than Canas could so far.

tennisman.
03-17-2005, 03:44 PM
Henman will win.
He is the better player

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 03:45 PM
5 hours to go!! Come on Tim!! 51% favourite to win this match and a place in top 15 of the Race up for grabs!!! :woohoo:

willie
03-17-2005, 03:49 PM
GO cañas!!!!he will win.
last match, the epic 3rd round in australia 2004, won cañas 6-7 5-7 7-6 7-5 9-7

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 03:53 PM
Willy it's time to cause more pain for Tim.

Corey Feldman
03-17-2005, 03:57 PM
Cant say ive got much hope for Henman in this match , then again i never have whoever he plays :p
he can lose his serve 3 times v Clement, Melzer and Robredo and still win.... and even if canas doesnt have a huge serve, henman wont go away with that tonight...
but its tough, Canas is a great returner and grinder.

plus i like Canas a bit, so its not all bad whoever wins.

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 04:15 PM
You can't lose either way eh! Escude? I mean Henman is in the middle for me, but Cañas does have the big grapefruits. I remember the matches at RG he had with Hewitt ah plenty of scrapping out on court that day.

Corey Feldman
03-17-2005, 04:18 PM
Yeah i sure remember that 2nd set tie break, canas 15-13 hewitt, turned the whole match....

Id also like to see a Federer v Canas matchup, only 1 before was in Toronto 2002 which canas won in the 1st round then went on to win the event!

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 04:22 PM
Yeah i sure remember that 2nd set tie break, canas 15-13 hewitt, turned the whole match....

Id also like to see a Federer v Canas matchup, only 1 before was in Toronto 2002 which canas won in the 1st round then went on to win the event!

Yes, a Federer/Cañas semi would fill me with glee and whoever won that I'd want them to win. They need a rematch as well.

undomiele
03-17-2005, 04:44 PM
I love Canias but I have to say I don't think he's in top top form right now from what Ive seen. One of his knees was bothering him during his match with Chela and noticeably held him back -- the fact that he was still able to keep it together and fight back during that match to unbelievaly win was classic Canias. (He's just GREAT!) And Im glad he got some more rest time when Dent pulled out. But Im afraid he still might have some physical problems when he plays Henman. All the same I know he will give his absolute best. :yeah: We Argentines are the curse of the British in sports and they know it. :lol:

tennisman.
03-17-2005, 05:02 PM
Anyone know what is the situation with Canas knee?
I keep hearing rumours that he has problems with it but does someone what is the real situation with it?

adeegee
03-17-2005, 05:35 PM
Canas will beat Timmy, no doubt about it

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 05:39 PM
GO cañas!!!!he will win.
last match, the epic 3rd round in australia 2004, won cañas 6-7 5-7 7-6 7-5 9-7

Canas has tended to grind out wins in best-of-5 set matches. He only has 3 sets to do this in today...he will struggle. Henman will win...by much the same scoreline as the first two sets above.

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 05:41 PM
Vienna wasn't 5 sets and Cañas beat him in straight sets at the US Open.

TennisLurker
03-17-2005, 05:43 PM
I dont know If I want Canas to win easily, or If I want him to beat Tim, painfully in three close sets

missroddickfan
03-17-2005, 05:44 PM
i think henman in 3 sets

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 05:46 PM
Vienna wasn't 5 sets and Cañas beat him in straight sets at the US Open.

I accept Vienna (proves my point on the grinding though) but 1999 - Henman wasn't as good as he was now. Besides, US Open has always been an unhappy hunting ground for Henman on hardcourts (until last year).

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 05:46 PM
I dont know If I want Canas to win easily, or If I want him to beat Tim, painfully in three close sets

Option 2 is more satisfying, though Sjengster mightn't agree.

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 05:48 PM
I dont know If I want Canas to win easily, or If I want him to beat Tim, painfully in three close sets

Neither do I - either will be disappointing considering I am a Henman fan! :p

I guess a close encounter would be better because it would at least prove he could stay with him and trouble him.

I still think Tim will win. Last 3 meetings Tim took the opening set - will be interesting today.

TennisLurker
03-17-2005, 05:48 PM
I dont want Guillermo to get tired

Horatio Caine
03-17-2005, 05:49 PM
I dont want Guillermo to get tired

I do - it will be fun :devil: :devil:

Action Jackson
03-17-2005, 05:49 PM
He is the energiser bunny Willy should have a day off to recover.

undomiele
03-17-2005, 06:40 PM
I don't want him injuring anything. Thats what Im worried about. If he gets injured then our chances for DC will plummet. (I also just don't want to see him get hurt.) Good Luck Willy!

undomiele
03-17-2005, 06:42 PM
On another note, my little cousin asked me if there are atp action dolls out there. I didn't think there are but wouldn't it be awesome if they did have action figures of our favourite players??? :rolls: I'd buy them in a heartbeat!

Sjengster
03-17-2005, 06:52 PM
Strange - I always admire Canas' fighting spirit and comeback qualities, and then the moment he plays Henman, my appreciation of his game suddenly vanishes... There are two ways of looking at the head-to-head and the fact that Canas has won so many tight matches against Henman: a) he has so much confidence from scraping out these victories that he has a massive mental edge and Henman is a beaten man already, or b) the closeness of the scorelines gives Henman the belief that all he needs to do is play a few key points better for him to come through. He's going to make errors against Canas, that's inevitable considering their styles of play, but I don't think a victory is beyond him if he doesn't let Slick Willy's retrieving abilities get into his head.

It's never a good idea to call the winner of a match before it happens, anyway (unless it's something like Hewitt v Henman or Roddick v Robredo), so I hope Henman can win and prove a few people's complacent attitudes wrong. But Canas is certainly the favourite, no matter how much of a dodgy knee he has. He looks pained after every single point he plays, rarely does he actually tire.

Action Jackson
03-21-2005, 01:57 PM
I wasn't being complacent Sjengster, just stating a point of view that I consistently held and you were right that it was a) that came through in this thread. This was actually quite a good thread and good to see differing views were expressed here quite well by most of the posters.