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who has the best serve?

fhkung
11-30-2002, 05:24 PM
not just speed, but also spins and placement?

Nimi
11-30-2002, 06:16 PM
You forgot like a million people.
Richard Krajicek
Marat Safin
Tommy Haas
Ivan Ljubicic etc. etc. etc.

Anyways Goran does.

Jeffrey
11-30-2002, 07:00 PM
Pete

fhkung
11-30-2002, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by Niminator
You forgot like a million people.
Richard Krajicek
Marat Safin
Tommy Haas
Ivan Ljubicic etc. etc. etc.

Anyways Goran does.
see....i use 3 elements to determine the serve
1st of all speed........well, Mark P is pretty much
the fastest server, followed by Greg and Any.....
the ones u mention dont hit as hard,

speaking of placment, the perfect placement server
is IMO Patrick.....and they dont match him for sure,

and last would be the spins........
and none others can do a better spin than
Arthur and Pete.....

but ya, Safin has an explosive serve,
but i dont think he serves as well

Pea
11-30-2002, 07:16 PM
Safin, Krajicek, and Haas have better serves than dickhead. Not only can they add some mustard, but they have lots of variety. dickhead just booms it down.

Shadow
11-30-2002, 07:55 PM
Marat Safin! He has the best technic, he can vary very much and has the speed!

Jeffrey
11-30-2002, 07:56 PM
Is it only me or do others have the same problem like me?! I can't see every answer...I saw Pea answered, but i can't see it ????

TheBoiledEgg
11-30-2002, 08:07 PM
look on 2002 stats

Ave aces per match

Arthurs 17.2, he also had best% of BP's saved
Krajicek 15.9
Philippoussis 15.3
Sampras 14.5
Ljubicic 13.3
Rusedski 12.0
Gambill 11.2


Dickhead had 9.1 per match
Guga 8.9
Safin 8.2 :mad:
Haas 8.5

TheBoiledEgg
11-30-2002, 08:19 PM
Service Game Leaders

ACES
1 Arthurs, Wayne 802 47
2 Ljubicic, Ivan 695 52
3 Roddick, Andy 624 69
4 Sampras, Pete 607 42
5 Gambill, Jan-Michael 603 53
6 Rusedski, Greg 586 49
7 El Aynaoui, Younes 558 66
8 Safin, Marat 534 67
9 Haas, Tommy 525 63
10 Gonzalez, Fernando 503 60


1st Serve %
1 Robredo, Tommy 69 55
2 Schalken, Sjeng 67 61
3 Novak, Jiri 66 72
4 Pavel, Andrei 65 63
5 Costa, Albert 64 53
6 Youzhny, Mikhail 64 52
7 Mirnyi, Max 64 50
8 Coria, Guillermo 64 37
9 El Aynaoui, Younes 63 66
10 Henman, Tim 63 63

1st Serve Pts Won
1 Arthurs, Wayne 91 47
2 Rusedski, Greg 88 49
3 Roddick, Andy 87 69
4 Agassi, Andre 87 60
5 Sampras, Pete 87 42
6 Federer, Roger 85 69
7 Kuerten, Gustavo 85 37
8 Gonzalez, Fernando 84 60
9 Ljubicic, Ivan 84 52
10 Martin, Todd 84 40


2nd Serve Pts Won
1 Agassi, Andre 56 60
2 Rusedski, Greg 55 49
3T. Federer, Roger 54 69
3T. 3T. Roddick, Andy 54 69
5T. Canas, Guillermo 54 65
5T. Hewitt, Lleyton 54 65
7 Arthurs, Wayne 54 47
8 Mathieu, Paul-Henri 54 37
9 Novak, Jiri 53 72
10 Ferrero, Juan Carlos 53 65

Service Games Won
1 Arthurs, Wayne 91 47
2 Rusedski, Greg 88 49
3 Roddick, Andy 87 69
4 Agassi, Andre 87 60
5 Sampras, Pete 87 42
6 Federer, Roger 85 69
7 Kuerten, Gustavo 85 37
8 Gonzalez, Fernando 84 60
9 Ljubicic, Ivan 84 52
10 Martin, Todd 84 40


Break Pts Saved
1 Arthurs, Wayne 74 47
2 Sampras, Pete 70 42
3 Martin, Todd 68 40
4 Gonzalez, Fernando 67 60
5 Ljubicic, Ivan 67 52
6 Rusedski, Greg 67 49
7 Roddick, Andy 66 69
8 Rios, Marcelo 66 49
9 Federer, Roger 65 69
10 Safin, Marat 65 67


1st # = %
2nd # = Total Matches Played

Chloe le Bopper
11-30-2002, 09:04 PM
THanks for the stats TBE :)

So if I was to select purely based on the statistics I would clearly go with Wayne Arthurs.

However there are other things to consider. For example - who's serve would you most want when you are serving to stay in a grand slam final? That is, who's holds up better under pressure?

Arthurs has a good serve, obviously. But he hasn't exactly had to test it in high pressure situations like that as often as say, Sampras.

Scotso
11-30-2002, 09:28 PM
Arthurs just has a big serve, it's not that "good."

In terms of history, I'd say Sampras. Not only can he boom it, but he can do a lot with it.

babydoll
11-30-2002, 09:33 PM
Yay! Go Andy! ..dont pay attention to Bitch Pea and BallSniffer TBE.
But thanks for the stats TBE! its what your good for :p

i agree with AndySafinette. So I'll probably vote for someone else.. :D

Mr. Man
11-30-2002, 09:36 PM
I chose Roddick. He is the first one that comes to mind. :)

Pea
11-30-2002, 09:37 PM
Truth hurts.:o

Chloe le Bopper
11-30-2002, 09:41 PM
In all due respect to Roddick, he serve doesn't hold up trying to serve to stay in the match of a grandslam quarterfinal.

I am not saying it won't get better, but untill he learns how to do something with it, he's just "booming" it, as already mentioned.

Nimi
11-30-2002, 11:27 PM
People out here do not watch tennis.
Roddick has the best serve?
Arthurs is just power?

WATCH.

I mean, Arthurs can place the serve everywhere & his serve is mostly spin, not power. Marat (when on) is 5 times the server Andy is.
Oh ya, Taylor Dent has an explosive serve as well (2nd fastest ever).
Also your categorize are wrong cuz Greg Rusedski has the fastest serve ever, not Mark, Mark is "just" 3rd.

Ace Tracker
11-30-2002, 11:33 PM
why is it so hard for people to forget about their favs and objectively analyse a player's strengths and weaknesses? :rolleyes:

There are several great serves in the tour, and I doubt there will ever be a consensus on wich one is the best, but several critics and analysts agree that Pete Sampras has had the best second serve in the history of the game, one that has carried him to multiple titles...

Nimi
11-30-2002, 11:38 PM
Pete does have the best second serve in history.

Just forgot to mention that if Mark P would have his head on all the time, he would have been the best server

madten
12-01-2002, 12:23 AM
Pete is the best tennis player ever, yep, obviously.... He can do anything on the court!

Chloe le Bopper
12-01-2002, 12:34 AM
LIke I said before... for me, what it comes down to is "who's serve would I want in the most high pressure situation possible?"

Because all is fine and dandy if you can serve like a master through the early round of a tournament, or early parts of a match.

True greatness shows up when it really matters....

Chloe le Bopper
12-01-2002, 12:38 AM
Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that someone like Arthurs doesn't have a great serve because he hasn't been in slam finals or whatever.

I'm just saying that I guage a lot of my opinion on this on how well they serve when they are playing well vs how well they serve when they are playing like ass, and how well they serve under pressure vs not etc etc... because I think how you use the weapon you have is just as important.

Which is why, overall I still go with Pete. Yes the last couple years have sucked as a whole. But in general, he can play like total ass and stay in a match with his serve. He's won 7 wimbledons with that serve (yes he does other things, but his serve was the key). How many consecutive games at wimbledon did he holdserve again? 100 and something?

jrm
12-01-2002, 12:45 AM
pete has made a career with his second serve

TheBoiledEgg
12-01-2002, 05:39 AM
what did dickhead say when he got his BUTT kicked on CLAY by Arthurs this yr at Roland Garros

Arthurs has 72 diff serves, its hard to pick up but when he plays against a great returner or player, the rest of his game is found wanting.

Roddick's serve is pretty easy to read, you get used to it cos he can't do anything other than a flat one.

Lee
12-01-2002, 11:08 PM
I remembered long time ago in a GS (either Wimby or USO) final between Courier and Sampras. After the match that Pete won, the on court commentator ask Jim how's Pete second serve that day and Jim's reply was he didn't see any second serve. Yep, Pete's serve is that good when he's on.

Nimi
12-02-2002, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
LIke I said before... for me, what it comes down to is "who's serve would I want in the most high pressure situation possible?"

Because all is fine and dandy if you can serve like a master through the early round of a tournament, or early parts of a match.

True greatness shows up when it really matters....

Yes i see.
Thats why is seems Mark is not even a contendor, though hes probably the best when on

Chloe le Bopper
12-03-2002, 09:41 AM
Well sadly, Marks knees go out more than his serve does.

warfreakbix
12-03-2002, 10:08 AM
I voted for Pete, well he won a record 14 GS because of it! :D :D :D

Experimentee
12-03-2002, 01:17 PM
Pete has the best serve, so many times he has served aces on first and second serves to get himself out of trouble. His serve is not just power, it has a lot of placement and spin on it too.
I cant believe some people voted for Roddick. As some people have said, all he does it boom it down, he may improve in the future but hes not even in the top 5 best serves right now.
I would also rate Arthurs' serve very highly. His serve is very hard to pick and he puts all sorts of weird spins on it, like nothing i've seen before. When he is on he can serve ace after ace consistently.

Nimi
12-03-2002, 02:12 PM
I bet all people who voted for Roddick have him as their absolute fave.
Which means they are stupid :p

Mr. Man
12-03-2002, 08:08 PM
I voted for Someone else. B/c i like Lleytons and Marats.

ys
12-03-2002, 08:21 PM
Arthurs, by far... Just think about that, how good and effective his serve needs to be to carry him alone to RG Round of 16, given that his game has practically nothing else but serve..

Lindsayfan
12-03-2002, 09:02 PM
Pete,his serve has been the best by far for many years! ;)

Nimi
12-04-2002, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by TennisMan
I voted for Someone else. B/c i like Lleytons and Marats.

Lleyton Hewitt?
People here are sooooo biased.

fhkung
12-05-2002, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by y_s
Arthurs, by far... Just think about that, how good and effective his serve needs to be to carry him alone to RG Round of 16, given that his game has practically nothing else but serve..
absolutely agree..........
Pete has a great serve, but his great achievement on grass
does not only rely on serve only........
though his serve does give him an advantage.....
hoever, speaking of spins,
Arthurs is pertty much the master of that,
even Kuerten before injury could not return his serve,
his serve is hardest to read of them all,
and he doesnt really have a 2nd serve,
coz every serve he has is pretty much 1st serve,
every time i see him playing, the thing i enjoy the most
is seeing his opponent trying everything to get to his serve,
and getting frustrated while he just bombs away.......
so speaking of purely serves, i have to go with Arthurs,
if Rafter has the serve of Arthurs, i believe he would
have been the 7 times Wimbledon champion

Chloe le Bopper
12-05-2002, 11:48 AM
I love following Arthurs at Wimbledon.

It's always fun to see who's going to break his serve first, or manage to get a mini break and win a tie break.

I'm still astounded that David managed to do it :D

drf716
12-05-2002, 11:51 AM
MARAT SAFIN of course!

fhkung
12-05-2002, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I love following Arthurs at Wimbledon.

It's always fun to see who's going to break his serve first, or manage to get a mini break and win a tie break.

I'm still astounded that David managed to do it :D
cant wait for his next Wimbledon....;)
maybe, and just maybe, he can win a Slam....:)

Minimum_Chips
12-07-2002, 04:54 AM
There is really no debate. Peety Sam. His first and second serves are the most consistent, when it counts, pressure proof, and GOOD.

maratski
12-07-2002, 09:08 PM
Pete has the best serve. I always like to see the spread of his serve in the matchstats. You never know where it's going.
Give Marat a few years and he'll have the great serve too, if he didn't have it already. He has power and can place the ball well.

hythger
07-27-2003, 10:15 PM
although i'm not a fan of Pete i have to agree that he has the best serve!

Vut
08-01-2003, 01:02 PM
:D Roddick

croat123
08-10-2003, 01:26 AM
It is either Goran or Pete in their prime. Pete had a more consitant serve, but i think that goran holds just about every ace record possible (per year he once had like 1,500, per match, total in his career, etc)

brandon85
08-10-2003, 03:04 AM
andy by far!

J. Corwin
08-23-2003, 09:19 AM
overall it has to be pete

star
08-23-2003, 03:55 PM
Pete when he was playing well.

But not Pete today. :)

There are some other has beens in the poll too. Rafter (sigh!) and Goran. Neither of them has played recently. I saw Goran early this year and he was a shadow of himself.