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Davis Cup losing its appeal to U.S. fans

RickDaStick
03-15-2005, 04:15 PM
Davis Cup losing its appeal to U.S. fans
By KIETH NEIBUHR
Published March 15, 2005

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The combination of Andre Agassi and Andy Roddick was supposed to propel the United States past Croatia in the Davis Cup's first round while giving the event a much-needed injection of American interest.

It did neither.

Croatia advanced 3-2, and despite the star power of Agassi and Roddick, few Americans seemed to care, as evidenced by TV ratings that were nothing short of abysmal. Locally, the March 6 conclusion drew a 0.1 rating. The same day, something called Fairly Odd Parents on Nickelodeon had a 2.9. That kind of puts things in perspective, wouldn't you say?

The U.S. team's defeat isn't worth panicking about. After all, anything can happen on any given day, so the fact Agassi, Roddick and the doubles team of brothers Bob and Mike Bryan lost does not signal the end of American tennis.

But the ratings slide is particularly troubling. Once a fan favorite stateside, the Davis Cup has become insignificant to the casual fan. The United States hasn't won the title since 1995, and that doesn't help, but the greater problem might be its scheduling - at least to Americans. Only die-hards know when the next round is and who's playing whom. The Cup is worked around an already crowded men's schedule, not the other way around.

NBC analyst Bud Collins thinks it's too spread out. ESPN commentator Cliff Drysdale , a former Davis Cup player for South Africa, has a plan he thinks would generate interest. He says the matches should be played over several consecutive weeks. "I'd like to see it every weekend," Drysdale told the Times last year.

The question is, when is a good time? The suggestion here would be to play the 16-team main draw every December (the qualifying matches can be held earlier), when the schedule is light. That way, there might be an actual buildup to the final.

Will it happen? The International Tennis Federation, the world governing body and the organization responsible for running the Davis Cup, has not expressed interest in changing things.

fifiricci
03-15-2005, 04:19 PM
I agree its too drawn out for modern tastes and ideas of what a competition is. They should totally replan it, but I don't pretend to have the answer as to how......... (other than reducing the matches from 5 to 3 sets)..........

Rex
03-15-2005, 04:27 PM
only coz they lost in the first round

Washa Koroleva
03-15-2005, 04:29 PM
who cares :rolleyes:

Hendu
03-15-2005, 04:29 PM
yeah, lets change the Davis Cup so the american audience finds it interesting!!!! :rolleyes:

:devil:

RickDaStick
03-15-2005, 04:30 PM
yeah, lets change the Davis Cup so the american audience finds it interesting!!!!

:rolleyes: :devil:

Yea this is only a problem in the US where there arent many real tennis fans. Everywhere else there is no problem.

Hendu
03-15-2005, 04:33 PM
Yea this is only a problem in the US where there arent many real tennis fans. Everywhere else there is no problem.

If there are going to be changes in the DC, I hope they are for attracting the players...

About the TV ratings in the US... I have nothing to say... just enjoy the wta tour :p

Winston's Human
03-15-2005, 04:38 PM
TV ratings will be bad in the U.S. because ESPN does not show tennis matches live. Tennis fans already knew the results before ESPN began broadcasting on tape-delay late Sunday night.

As for the reference to "Fairly Odd Parents", I would suspect the Nicklelodeon's ratings for Sunday morning cartoons are generally higher than most of ESPN's tape-delayed sporting events -- espcially those coming on television late in the evening.

tangerine_dream
03-15-2005, 05:11 PM
Davis Cup is barely promoted in the US so the fact the ratings are/were low is hardly shocking or newsworthy.

I wonder why a croat would be so concerned about US tennis viewership anyway, hmm?

uNIVERSE mAN
03-15-2005, 05:20 PM
I've said this before, I think the Davis Cup should be eliminated, a sport like tennis with it's form of one on one competition does not translate well to a Davis Cup format.

Hendu
03-15-2005, 05:39 PM
I've said this before, I think the Davis Cup should be eliminated, a sport like tennis with it's form of one on one competition does not translate well to a Davis Cup format.

Specially after Henman left the team, right? ;)

mangoes
03-15-2005, 05:51 PM
Davis Cup is NOT promoted in the US. If it were promoted more, I think there would be better results. Furthermore, the places where Pat McEnroe chooses to host DC is rediculous. Host Davis Cup in the big cities, I don't even know where they played, other than it was in California. In addition to this, the only reason any interest was perked for DC this year was because Andre was playing. Otherwise, we have a set of ******(don't know an appropriate word that would sound nice) playing Davis Cup for the US. Better yet, only Andy carries the weight of Davis Cup on his shoulders, and for some reason, he just isn't that beloved an athlete in the US. And as for the Bryan Brothers, the first match I ever watched, with them, to completion was during this Davis Cup. Otherwise, I think they are just two peacocks with puffed chests.......and a lot of my friends feel the same way.

Nevertheless, I think it comes down to advertising and promoting the event. Unless you're a major tennis fan, there is no way anyone, in America, would have known there was a Davis Cup event being held in California.

martirogi
03-15-2005, 06:05 PM
did it ever have appeal to begin with

alfonsojose
03-15-2005, 06:13 PM
The "U.S. casual fan" strikes again :rolleyes: "He/She" only wants to see Andy Roddick next to Paris Hilton in "multi-million dollar slut" or "house of cum" :retard: .

BiancaUL
03-15-2005, 06:20 PM
TV ratings will be bad in the U.S. because ESPN does not show tennis matches live. Tennis fans already knew the results before ESPN began broadcasting on tape-delay late Sunday night.

I agree and I'm even more sure it didn't help that ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNews all ran the score on their respective bottom line announcing that the Americans lost hours and hours before ESPN2 deigned to show it at like 11 pm that night.

Almost no one cares about DC here, but even so, the average Joe and Jane in middle-America who might normally tune in out of boredom or whatever aren't going to want to sit for a few hours and watch something based on national pride knowing that their country got the boot.

Winston's Human
03-15-2005, 06:33 PM
Host Davis Cup in the big cities, I don't even know where they played, other than it was in California

Carson is a suburb of Los Angeles where they host the (sparesely-attended) women's summer Los Angeles tournament. They have a huge "white elephant" tennis center there known as the Home Depot Center.

They should host it in cities which do not already have ATP events so that tennis fans in those areas can attend. Perhaps, then, we might have a more vocal crowd to spur our guys onward -- much like the fabulous Spanish crowds in Sevilla.

mangoes
03-15-2005, 06:46 PM
did it ever have appeal to begin with


I think it had a very big appeal during the Ashe, McEnroe, Sampras, Agassie, etc. eras.

CooCooCachoo
03-15-2005, 06:47 PM
Tennis is not popular in the USA anyway.. Why care :shrug: Promote it more in India, China, other Asian countries. That is where the rising market is.

mangoes
03-15-2005, 06:51 PM
They should host it in cities which do not already have ATP events so that tennis fans in those areas can attend. Perhaps, then, we might have a more vocal crowd to spur our guys onward -- much like the fabulous Spanish crowds in Sevilla.


Totally agree. And there are a lot of Cities, that if Davis Cup had been held there, it would have been a bigger event. However, I heard Pat McEnroe say that it should have been held in Houston...............so................. no need to say more.

mangoes
03-15-2005, 06:54 PM
Tennis is not popular in the USA anyway.. Why care :shrug: Promote it more in India, China, other Asian countries. That is where the rising market is.


Well I care!!! :sad: :sad: The USA is still an important market. Nevertheless, the issue is tennis isn't properly promoted in the US.

El Legenda
03-15-2005, 07:30 PM
I wonder why a croat would be so concerned about US tennis viewership anyway, hmm?

Well look at his flag..he is not a Croat...and he lives in US..where there tennis coverage sucks.

tennis elbow
03-15-2005, 07:52 PM
And as for the Bryan Brothers, the first match I ever watched, with them, to completion was during this Davis Cup. Otherwise, I think they are just two peacocks with puffed chests.......and a lot of my friends feel the same way.


Sorry, but this had me :haha: :haha: :rolls: :lol: ...

as for ratings, there was a very interesting article on the Miami Herald last Sunday about the flaws of the Nielsen way of collecting data... ratings seem awful, but they do not reflect the reality nor the popularity of the game, the Nielsen system is just that crooked...

onewoman74
03-15-2005, 08:27 PM
The "U.S. casual fan" strikes again :rolleyes: "He/She" only wants to see Andy Roddick next to Paris Hilton in "multi-million dollar slut" or "house of cum" :retard: .

heheeee :haha:

Action Jackson
03-15-2005, 10:29 PM
Awww they could always withdraw just like the Italians have from the Eurovision song contest.

Roger-No.1
03-16-2005, 01:20 PM
I agree its too drawn out for modern tastes and ideas of what a competition is. They should totally replan it, but I don't pretend to have the answer as to how.........
Good idea.

Roger-No.1
03-16-2005, 01:21 PM
If there are going to be changes in the DC, I hope they are for attracting the players...
Agreed

Action Jackson
03-16-2005, 01:22 PM
If the Americans were winning would these some gripes come out? We know the answer to that.

Roger-No.1
03-16-2005, 01:28 PM
Davis Cup is NOT promoted in the US. If it were promoted more, I think there would be better results.

and for some reason, he just isn't that beloved an athlete in the US. And as for the Bryan Brothers, the first match I ever watched, with them, to completion was during this Davis Cup. Otherwise, I think they are just two peacocks with puffed chests.......and a lot of my friends feel the same way.
A. Roddick's personality, lack of interest from people could explain this.

Bryans = Peacocks with stuffed chests..... :lol:


Nevertheless, I think it comes down to advertising and promoting the event. Unless you're a major tennis fan, there is no way anyone, in America, would have known there was a Davis Cup event being held in California.
Matress Mac has something to say about that.

Horatio Caine
03-16-2005, 01:30 PM
only coz they lost in the first round

my exact thought! :worship:

There again, I was one of the millions of people who thought that US team wouldn't be beaten.

Roger-No.1
03-16-2005, 01:43 PM
yeah, lets change the Davis Cup so the american audience finds it interesting!!!!
:lol: :lol:

That would be :confused:

ESPN should be worried about its American audience though.......

Action Jackson
03-16-2005, 01:48 PM
The "U.S. casual fan" strikes again :rolleyes: "He/She" only wants to see Andy Roddick next to Paris Hilton in "multi-million dollar slut" or "house of cum" :retard: .

Your second best post on this forum.

TheMightyFed
03-16-2005, 02:14 PM
US elite tennis is in a bad shape these days:
-Agassi's almost done
-Roddick doesn't beat Rog or Hewitt
-Fish, Dent and Ginepri struggle to reach the top
-Young is too... hum... young !
Venus is done and Serena is injured every 2 tournies
the Connors-McEnroe and Sampras/Agassi/Courier/Chang eras seem far far away...
Ok French tennis is in a deeper shit, but at least we can admire an armada of players in first rounds, and the DC team manages, I don't know how, to reach 2nd round !

gsm
03-16-2005, 02:18 PM
i often find myself sticking up for the yanks , but on this occasion , screw em!

DC manages to be extremely popular in most other countries.

without doubt a couple of the best matches i have seen were DC.

Roger-No.1
03-16-2005, 02:31 PM
Ok French tennis is in a deeper shit, but at least we can admire an armada of players in first rounds, and the DC team manages, I don't know how, to reach 2nd round !
It's a team effort, DC. France will be strong for a long time