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Anyone watching this match between Roddick and Verdasco????

mangoes
03-12-2005, 11:01 PM
I'm watching it on the Tennis Channel, what the heck is going on with Andy? I like Andy, but his game is slipping. He is out there playing mostly defensive tennis. This is rediculous for a top 5 player. I hope someone talks to Andy because he needs to pull it together very quickly.

ftd999
03-12-2005, 11:10 PM
I'm watching it on the Tennis Channel, what the heck is going on with Andy? I like Andy, but his game is slipping. He is out there playing mostly defensive tennis. This is rediculous for a top 5 player. I hope someone talks to Andy because he needs to pull it together very quickly.

How is Verdasco playing? Why is Roddick struggling? Is he making errors off the ground? Inconsistent serving? Or is he just getting outplayed?

:)

Sjengster
03-12-2005, 11:13 PM
I still haven't seen many of Verdasco's matches, but I gather that when he's on his game his opponent usually has to play defensive tennis - I think he hit the hardest forehand of the entire tournament in Madrid last year against Robredo, even though he lost the match. He played Roddick once before early in a North American TMS event, in Cincy back in 2003, and was the only man to break Roddick's serve before the final. But he's down a minibreak in the TB as I write this.

for-sure
03-12-2005, 11:15 PM
I saw Verdasco vs. Moya at TMS-Toronto. Verdasco almost upset Moya there....but I have to admit...he is an amazing talent. He's got a number of weapons.

Sjengster
03-12-2005, 11:20 PM
He also almost upset Moya in TMS Hamburg in the third round, but from 4-2 up in the third set played 4 of the worst games I've seen from anyone to lose the match. Serving to stay in it at 4-5, 30-30, he came up to the net in a commanding position with a low overhead and thumped it against the back fence, and unsurprisingly lost the next point. It sounds as though he gave a few gifts to El Pato in the tiebreak today as well.

tennischick
03-12-2005, 11:30 PM
this is the first time i saw Vedasco and i was impressed. but he made too many errors. he needs to learn to put some more topspin in his shots to keep them in the court. had he done that the Duck would not be quacking ;)

Carito_90
03-12-2005, 11:45 PM
TC, I've been told Fernando played a REALLY good match against Andy apart from the 46432626 UEs so... its not that he's like that all the time.

Is he making errors off the ground? Inconsistent serving? Or is he just getting outplayed?

All of the above.

tennischick
03-13-2005, 12:04 AM
well he looked good today. too many errors but he had the Duck against the rope at points. :devil: too bad he lost.

robinhood
03-13-2005, 12:10 AM
Is this win a confidence booster or another let down for Roddick?

Scotso
03-13-2005, 12:14 AM
Verdasco :hearts:

God I wish I had the tennis channel :sad:

nkhera1
03-13-2005, 12:14 AM
Is he a lefty? Because a lefty with a big forehand will give roddick fits.

ftd999
03-13-2005, 12:20 AM
Is this win a confidence booster or another let down for Roddick?

Good question, but I don't think its necessarily a let down. Playing an anti-rythym basher such as Gonzo (or Verdasco apparently) is very difficult. It's either winner or error, and you just can't get in a groove. Often, its a struggle during the match because you're always on defense and you must fight hard. But this type of player often cannot produce when the pressure is on (because when their muscles tighten at the pressure points, they're no longer able to keep such agressive shots in play).

I think it will depend on Roddick's mental outlook after the match. If he focuses and gets him self back into a groove tommorow morning (with a little training), he'll probably be fine against Novak. We'll see :)

robinhood
03-13-2005, 12:26 AM
Good question, but I don't think its necessarily a let down. Playing an anti-rythym basher such as Gonzo (or Verdasco apparently) is very difficult. It's either winner or error, and you just can't get in a groove. Often, its a struggle during the match because you're always on defense and you must fight hard. But this type of player often cannot produce when the pressure is on (because when their muscles tighten at the pressure points, they're no longer able to keep such agressive shots in play).

I think it will depend on Roddick's mental outlook after the match. If he focuses and gets him self back into a groove tommorow morning (with a little training), he'll probably be fine against Novak. We'll see :)

Thank you for your thoughtful answer. I very much agree with you.

mangoes
03-13-2005, 12:27 AM
How is Verdasco playing? Why is Roddick struggling? Is he making errors off the ground? Inconsistent serving? Or is he just getting outplayed?

:)

Verdasco played a fairly good game. He has a lot of power, but still has to learn to control it. He could have beaten Andy, but he choked in the tie breaker. The thing that amazed me was if Verdasco had held it together in the tie breaker, he had an extremely good chance of beating Andy. At one point, I felt that Andy was just waiting for Verdasco to make the error such as overhitting a ball. I suppose when I saw Verdasco raise the level of his game, I'm still waiting for Andy to raise the level of his game. Verdasco dictated play throughtout most of the match, he even handed the match to Andy. I like Andy, but I just can't imagine Verdasco dictating that much play to Federer, Hewitt, Safin (on a good day), and Ivan L.(yes, he has entered my list of players that hold my respect based upon the level of their game).

ftd999
03-13-2005, 12:35 AM
Verdasco played a fairly good game. He has a lot of power, but still has to learn to control it. He could have beaten Andy, but he choked in the tie breaker. The thing that amazed me was if Verdasco had held it together in the tie breaker, he had an extremely good chance of beating Andy. At one point, I felt that Andy was just waiting for Verdasco to make the error such as overhitting a ball. I suppose when I saw Verdasco raise the level of his game, I'm still waiting for Andy to raise the level of his game. Verdasco dictated play throughtout most of the match, he even handed the match to Andy. I like Andy, but I just can't imagine Verdasco dictating that much play to Federer, Hewitt, Safin (on a good day), and Ivan L.(yes, he has entered my list of players that hold my respect based upon the level of their game).

Thanks for this analysis of the match :)

mangoes
03-13-2005, 12:41 AM
Thanks for this analysis of the match :)

You're welcome, I hope it made sense...........LOLOL

Tennis Fool
03-13-2005, 01:49 AM
"I think that's the biggest thing that separates the people in the top 10 and some of the guys 40 and 50 in the world, is that we kind of try to find a way to win even if we don't have our best stuff." Roddick on today's match.

Agree? Disagree?

RogiFan88
03-13-2005, 02:40 AM
"...we kind of try to find a way to win even if we don't have our best stuff." Roddick on today's match."

Hmm... really? So what happened at the AO05 SF vs. Hewitt? or in the TMC Houston05 SF vs. Hewitt?

Neely
03-13-2005, 02:43 AM
Congrats Andy, a very close win, but at least he won it at the end!!
Would have been brutal if he lost this match again after his fresh memories of Davis Cup last weekend! ;)

Good match of Verdasco, too! Now he took Roddick also to a decisive third set tiebreak, the red-hot Ljubicic before in Dubai, too... and he played a good match against Hrbaty at the Davis Cup in which he had much more chances and good play than the scoreline reflects.

There's hope for him! :yeah: ;)

NYCtennisfan
03-13-2005, 02:48 AM
"I think that's the biggest thing that separates the people in the top 10 and some of the guys 40 and 50 in the world, is that we kind of try to find a way to win even if we don't have our best stuff." Roddick on today's match.

This is true for the most part. Look at Federer in Dubai. He didn't have his best stuff against Ivo Minar or JCF and found a way to win. The lesser players lose these matches. Andy wins a lot of these in the early rounds, but is unable to pull it off lately when he gets to the SF's or Finals.

RogiFan88
03-13-2005, 02:53 AM
I guess Pandy's confidence is down... since he lost Wimby last yr...

Neely
03-13-2005, 02:58 AM
I guess Pandy's confidence is down... since he lost Wimby last yr...
I think Roger's confidence is also down since losing to Safin.... or why else does he not bagel people anymore, or why else is he even losing sets now, why did Federer even need a decisive 3rd set tiebreak to win matches in recent past ;) :p

RogiFan88
03-13-2005, 03:09 AM
2 years of success is finally catching up w Rogi ;) he's experimenting! :p

darnyelb
03-13-2005, 03:47 AM
I didn't really notice Verdasco until I saw him in all the 2004 "Best Newcomer" polls and thought that was a strange choice. But he really impressed me today. There were about 3 or 4 screaming winners he hit that were just awesome.

Roddick should've won it much more easily than that though. He's letting a lot of stuff bother him on court, which is strange to watch considering he's supposed to be so mentally tough.

Havok
03-13-2005, 03:50 AM
"...we kind of try to find a way to win even if we don't have our best stuff." Roddick on today's match."

Hmm... really? So what happened at the AO05 SF vs. Hewitt? or in the TMC Houston05 SF vs. Hewitt?
:retard: If you read the blurb prior to your chopping up the entire phrase, he was using that to differentiate between players ranked high, and players who have a tough time cracking into the top 30, 20 etc.

Ferrero Forever
03-13-2005, 05:09 AM
it's a shame verdasco lost. He really is quite good, i had the privledge of seeing him play live at the AO and he smashed his opponent (i think it was Mueller.) For those of you who don't know him, he's great, and is also very nice to his fans. He'd be in my top two nicest players, the other being GGL. Expect big things from him in the near future. VAMOS VERDASCO.

adeegee
03-13-2005, 08:10 AM
Verdasco's a great talent. He should be top 20, no doubt about it but he has mental problems. Andy will be happy to get through that, Verdasco is capable of beating anyone on his day (and losing to anyone), I didn't see the match but it doesn't surprise me to hear Verdasco played very well but lost the big points. He's like Gonzalez, he'll have days where you think he should be world no.1 and days where you wonder how he's a pro.

kartveteran
03-13-2005, 10:22 AM
Roddick said this about Verdasco's forehand:
"The pace he hits on, it's probably the biggest forehand I've played against," Roddick said of Verdasco's booming shots. "He just absolutely kills it. It's a pretty intimidating shot."

I've never seen Verdasco play. Does he really hit harder than Roddick himself, Safin, Gonzales, etc?

Ferrero Forever
03-13-2005, 10:26 AM
he hits pretty damn hard. He's a very interesting player to watch, i highly recommend watching his matches in the future, he rocks

Black Adam
03-13-2005, 11:04 AM
Roddick said this about Verdasco's forehand:
"The pace he hits on, it's probably the biggest forehand I've played against," Roddick said of Verdasco's booming shots. "He just absolutely kills it. It's a pretty intimidating shot."

I've never seen Verdasco play. Does he really hit harder than Roddick himself, Safin, Gonzales, etc?
Never seen him play but i heard Pim Pim's is on eof the biggest out there

Deivid23
03-13-2005, 12:04 PM
Roddick said this about Verdasco's forehand:
"The pace he hits on, it's probably the biggest forehand I've played against," Roddick said of Verdasco's booming shots. "He just absolutely kills it. It's a pretty intimidating shot."

I've never seen Verdasco play. Does he really hit harder than Roddick himself, Safin, Gonzales, etc?

Looks like people are starting to know Verdasco. Huge talent but weak brain. For my taste, biggest potential in sub-21 players in the world hands down. Pity he has wasted his talent so far, but as I said yesterday, it looks like there are some signs of life in his brain, so maybe in a near future he finally decides to show the world what he´s made of.

Deivid23
03-13-2005, 12:22 PM
Roddick said this about Verdasco's forehand:
"The pace he hits on, it's probably the biggest forehand I've played against," Roddick said of Verdasco's booming shots. "He just absolutely kills it. It's a pretty intimidating shot."

I've never seen Verdasco play. Does he really hit harder than Roddick himself, Safin, Gonzales, etc?

In terms of a compromise between power and precision on his forehand, I think the only one who can challenge him is Roger.

Sjengster
03-13-2005, 12:54 PM
:retard: If you read the blurb prior to your chopping up the entire phrase, he was using that to differentiate between players ranked high, and players who have a tough time cracking into the top 30, 20 etc.

RF is well aware of that. However, it doesn't make any difference to her point that Roddick did not try to find a way to win when not playing his best in those two matches against Hewitt, like he says Top 10 players do.

Action Jackson
03-13-2005, 12:57 PM
In terms of a compromise between power and precision on his forehand, I think the only one who can challenge him is Roger.

It seems some people think this was Verdasco's first pro match or something. I think Gonzalez does have a better forehand than Verdasco, though I can see him beating some very good players and being inconsistent and losing to guys sometimes he should be beating easily.

Deivid23
03-13-2005, 01:23 PM
It seems some people think this was Verdasco's first pro match or something. I think Gonzalez does have a better forehand than Verdasco, though I can see him beating some very good players and being inconsistent and losing to guys sometimes he should be beating easily.

Another good contender for this "title", Gonzo, maybe it looks harder but I think Verdasco can hit it at same or even higher pace. Gonzo goes for each forehand as it were the last shot of the match, but I rate Verdasco´s ability to change directions at high pace with his forehand as sth almost unique bc of its power and its precision. Verdasco´s one for me. ;)

Action Jackson
03-13-2005, 01:29 PM
Another good contender for this "title", Gonzo, maybe it looks harder but I think Verdasco can hit it at same or even higher pace. Gonzo goes for each forehand as it were the last shot of the match, but I rate Verdasco´s ability to change directions at high pace with his forehand as sth almost unique bc of its power and its precision. Verdasco´s one for me. ;)

Both of them need to improve their backhands. I have seen them both quite a lot of times and would rate Gonzo's forehand a bit higher, but only when it goes in. He can hit it harder for longer, though I do appreciate Verdasco's forehand as well.

He'll never be a tactical giant, so I think he'll be around 13-20 at best, that is not an ability issue either.

Experimentee
03-13-2005, 01:45 PM
I am not surprised. Verdasco is a talented player whos been playing well of late, and Roddick isnt playing as well as he used to. I only wish Fernando didnt choke in the TB and actually won this.

Deivid23
03-13-2005, 01:51 PM
He'll never be a tactical giant, so I think he'll be around 13-20 at best, that is not an ability issue either.

Yeah maybe you are right, but I hope Verdasco will some day mature enough to play more intelligent tennis. If so, no doubt he should be a top 10 player.

Action Jackson
03-13-2005, 01:57 PM
Yeah maybe you are right, but I hope Verdasco will some day mature enough to play more intelligent tennis. If so, no doubt he should be a top 10 player.

I'd like to see him go well, get serious about his fitness and not try hit everything for a winner. I'd like to be wrong about this I mean Robredo is near the top 10, that means there are possibilities for Verdasco.

avocadoe
03-13-2005, 01:59 PM
where are the Andy quotes from...I couldn't find his interview at ASAP or the PLO site???

Deivid23
03-13-2005, 02:03 PM
I'd like to see him go well, get serious about his fitness and not try hit everything for a winner. I'd like to be wrong about this I mean Robredo is near the top 10, that means there are possibilities for Verdasco.

Totally agree, Verdasco is potentially much better player than Tommy

star
03-13-2005, 02:08 PM
I am not surprised. Verdasco is a talented player whos been playing well of late, and Roddick isnt playing as well as he used to. I only wish Fernando didnt choke in the TB and actually won this.

I agree with your first sentence. :)

Anyway, the crowd fell in love with Verdasco. By the third set the crowd while solidly behind Roddick was cheering Verdasco's winners loudly. My observation was that Verdasco's level actually fell before the tiebreak, so it wasn't so much him choking in the tiebreak as it was that he couldn't pull himself back to the same high level he played at in the second and first half of the third set. I think Andy did raise his level a bit in the tiebreak, but I do think if Verdasco had been able to maintain his the same level he had before he could have won the match.

He was great to watch. Before, I liked him because he is so good looking, but now I love his game too. I hadn't noticed before today what amazing legs he has. His lower legs are the same size as Andy's lower legs even though Andy is much bigger and heavier over all.

But the best thing was this :inlove: After this tough loss ... very very tough loss for Verdasco, (the crowd cheered him loudly as he walked off the court) he stopped and signed autographs. Not just the few that the nice losers usually sign, but he signed for every single person who was hanging over the railing. EVERY ONE. In my little group, we always watch to see who will sign, and Verdasco was impressive. Even some winners don't sign every single one.

ftd999
03-13-2005, 03:25 PM
It seems some people think this was Verdasco's first pro match or something. I think Gonzalez does have a better forehand than Verdasco, though I can see him beating some very good players and being inconsistent and losing to guys sometimes he should be beating easily.

Unfortunately, for those of us in the US, all tennis television coverage is exclusively limited to Serena, Roddick, and Agassi. So we must learn about players when they play those three :p Maybe one day we will be able to watch the matches we want, but I doubt this will happen until tennis gets on the internet :)

euroka1
03-13-2005, 04:01 PM
Unfortunately, for those of us in the US, all tennis television coverage is exclusively limited to Serena, Roddick, and Agassi. So we must learn about players when they play those three :p Maybe one day we will be able to watch the matches we want, but I doubt this will happen until tennis gets on the internet :)

Yes, so true. Watching only TV, one gets a completely distorted view of world tennis talent. It's all money driven. Internet access could well be the cure.

kartveteran
03-13-2005, 04:51 PM
where are the Andy quotes from...I couldn't find his interview at ASAP or the PLO site???

I got them from here:
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=575873

Action Jackson
03-13-2005, 04:54 PM
Unfortunately, for those of us in the US, all tennis television coverage is exclusively limited to Serena, Roddick, and Agassi. So we must learn about players when they play those three :p Maybe one day we will be able to watch the matches we want, but I doubt this will happen until tennis gets on the internet :)

I feel for you.

Havok
03-13-2005, 08:09 PM
RF is well aware of that. However, it doesn't make any difference to her point that Roddick did not try to find a way to win when not playing his best in those two matches against Hewitt, like he says Top 10 players do.
When you play a top 10 player and you don't have your best stuff, you lose end of story. Was still a dumb comment.