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Why is God's name isn't Nadal playing Indian Wells?

Scotso
03-11-2005, 07:26 PM
Is he an idiot or just getting bad advice? There are so many points to be had at this event, not to mention you HAVE to count it. :rolleyes:

This makes me angry.

Sanneriet
03-11-2005, 07:31 PM
I think he cited exhaustion. Blame Davis Cup, I guess.

Scotso
03-11-2005, 07:36 PM
Yeah since he played one doubles match? :rolleyes:

Deivid23
03-11-2005, 07:43 PM
He played 13 matches in less than 20 days in South America, travelled to Slovakia and if he wants to be perfect for big clay events (he missed French Open last two years due to injury) he must take a break some day. Itīs called smart decision

for-sure
03-11-2005, 08:03 PM
smart move nadal.

El Legenda
03-11-2005, 08:04 PM
I think he cited exhaustion. Blame Davis Cup, I guess.

Only person who can say that is Ljubo.

robinhood
03-11-2005, 08:19 PM
Clay is his favorite, obviously.
But is it smart to concentrate too much of his effort on one surface
when he's this young and has lots of potential to improve his game
on other surfaces as well? (At least, to me, he does.)
If he IS indeed resting himself up for the clay season like Deivid has mentioned,
that, to me, looks like a move that should be made by other veteran clay courters.

Rogiman
03-11-2005, 08:19 PM
He probably prefers to play some dirtball in some hardly-ever-heard-of event

Deivid23
03-11-2005, 08:28 PM
Well itīs pretty obvious Nadal doesnīt want to miss French Open for third time in a row so itīs a logical thing what he has decided. Those who bash him maybe in some years will change their nicks for sth like Rafiman ;)

RogiFan88
03-11-2005, 08:32 PM
Rafa will be back for Miami [he has an important meeting there anyway]. ;)

TennisLurker
03-11-2005, 08:37 PM
I didnt know "isn't Nadal playing Indian Wells?" was a name of God, I shall tell the rabbis.

Chloe le Bopper
03-11-2005, 08:37 PM
Seeing as he's playing immediately following Miami (where he has points to defend), because he's trying to get his ranking up by playing smaller events (and he is NOT a top player, so this is a perfectly reasonable tactic), this was a smart choice. The stupid choice would have been getting his foot broken again, which is apparently what some people would like to see :shrug:

One can argue that he shouldn't have stayed in South America for so long. I say that he went down there ranked near 50 and left ranked around 30. Sounds like that was a pretty smart decision to me.

If he's still doing this when he's ranked 10 in the world I will be happy to criticize him.

Turkeyballs Paco
03-11-2005, 08:39 PM
Those who bash him maybe in some years will change their nicks for sth like Rafiman ;)

:lol: true, wouldn't be too surprised

Dirk
03-11-2005, 08:52 PM
He didn't know he would win two clay event back to back. He can play IW next year. People pull out of Carlo all the time and cite this reason so....

Rogiman
03-11-2005, 09:10 PM
Those who bash him maybe in some years will change their nicks for sth like Rafiman ;)
:yeah: Respect where respect is due!

nkhera1
03-11-2005, 09:52 PM
Should have skipped the last clay event with a bunch of no-name's to particpate in this event. There are many points to be won

adeegee
03-11-2005, 10:03 PM
what an absolute load of nonsense. i'm disappointed he's not playing indian wells coz i think he could've done well, its not a particularly quick court. deivid is talking a lot of sense, he's 18 and has had many big matches recently. he's got every right to take a short break and it'll benefit him in the long run

El Legenda
03-11-2005, 10:20 PM
he's 18 and has had many big matches recently.

And in those big matchs..who did he play. ...




only post oppentents that are in Top20.

El Legenda
03-11-2005, 10:21 PM
R32 Acasuso, Jose (ARG ) 31 7-6(1) 6-3
R16 Calatrava, Alex (ESP ) 138 6-3 6-3
Q Calleri, Agustin (ARG ) 46 6-2 6-7(5) 6-4
S Mello, Ricardo (BRA ) 71 2-6 6-2 6-4
W Martin, Alberto (ESP ) 46 6-0 6-7(2) 6-1


This Event Points: 35, New Indesit ATP Race Position: 17, Prize Money: US $ 52000



Acapulco, Mexico
International Series Gold, 2/21/2005, O, Clay , Draw: 32


R32 Calatrava, Alex (ESP ) 121 6-4 6-4
R16 Ventura, Santiago (ESP ) 52 7-6 6-2
Q Canas, Guillermo (ARG ) 36 7-5 6-3
S Puerta, Mariano (ARG ) 42 6-4 6-1
W Montanes, Albert (ESP ) 134 6-1 6-0

Rogiman
03-11-2005, 10:25 PM
R32 Acasuso, Jose (ARG ) 31 7-6(1) 6-3
R16 Calatrava, Alex (ESP ) 138 6-3 6-3
Q Calleri, Agustin (ARG ) 46 6-2 6-7(5) 6-4
S Mello, Ricardo (BRA ) 71 2-6 6-2 6-4
W Martin, Alberto (ESP ) 46 6-0 6-7(2) 6-1


This Event Points: 35, New Indesit ATP Race Position: 17, Prize Money: US $ 52000



Acapulco, Mexico
International Series Gold, 2/21/2005, O, Clay , Draw: 32


R32 Calatrava, Alex (ESP ) 121 6-4 6-4
R16 Ventura, Santiago (ESP ) 52 7-6 6-2
Q Canas, Guillermo (ARG ) 36 7-5 6-3
S Puerta, Mariano (ARG ) 42 6-4 6-1
W Montanes, Albert (ESP ) 134 6-1 6-0

These are all decent players, you can't deny he's well ahead of his age.

El Legenda
03-11-2005, 10:28 PM
These are all decent players, you can't deny he's well ahead of his age.
;) :wavey:

Rogiman
03-11-2005, 10:29 PM
;) :wavey:

:wavey:
Cheers mate, I see you've opened your own thread!

El Legenda
03-11-2005, 10:31 PM
:wavey:
Cheers mate, I see you've opened your own thread!

lol..it was time. :cool:

elizabeth_c
03-11-2005, 11:24 PM
Should have skipped the last clay event with a bunch of no-name's to particpate in this event. There are many points to be won
i so agree..oh well..maybe next year....

adeegee
03-11-2005, 11:42 PM
R32 Acasuso, Jose (ARG ) 31 7-6(1) 6-3
R16 Calatrava, Alex (ESP ) 138 6-3 6-3
Q Calleri, Agustin (ARG ) 46 6-2 6-7(5) 6-4
S Mello, Ricardo (BRA ) 71 2-6 6-2 6-4
W Martin, Alberto (ESP ) 46 6-0 6-7(2) 6-1


This Event Points: 35, New Indesit ATP Race Position: 17, Prize Money: US $ 52000



Acapulco, Mexico
International Series Gold, 2/21/2005, O, Clay , Draw: 32


R32 Calatrava, Alex (ESP ) 121 6-4 6-4
R16 Ventura, Santiago (ESP ) 52 7-6 6-2
Q Canas, Guillermo (ARG ) 36 7-5 6-3
S Puerta, Mariano (ARG ) 42 6-4 6-1
W Montanes, Albert (ESP ) 134 6-1 6-0

Can you name a lot of 18 year old players who are beating players in the top 20 regularly? I think you'll find he's beaten Federer, Roddick, very close to beating Hewitt in Australia. How many titles has Ivan won this year, can you remind me?

Rogiman
03-11-2005, 11:47 PM
How many titles has Ivan won this year, can you remind me?

That has nothing to do with that.
Rafa is definitely on his way to fulfill the promise, Ivan needed his time to develop his game but has now been playing like god, both have had an excellent season so far.
Right now I wouldn't wish Rafa to meet Ivan, because I'm pretty sure Ivan would kick his butt, but Rafa is surely on the right track to change that.

El Legenda
03-11-2005, 11:52 PM
Can you name a lot of 18 year old players who are beating players in the top 20 regularly? I think you'll find he's beaten Federer, Roddick, very close to beating Hewitt in Australia. How many titles has Ivan won this year, can you remind me?

Ivan does not have any titles this year YET.because he plays in tournys with the best players. and not tounrys with jounryemen.

El Legenda
03-11-2005, 11:53 PM
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Right now I wouldn't wish Rafa to meet Ivan, because I'm pretty sure Ivan would kick his butt, but Rafa is surely on the right track to change that.

I wish they did..maybe in Miami.. so ivan can spank him and this guy could stop bitching.

adelaide
03-11-2005, 11:55 PM
Ivan does not have any titles this year YET.because he plays in tournys with the best players. and not tounrys with jounryemen.

well Rafael's simply choosing the tournaments that he can do well in, there's no reason why he should choose to get worse results... ;)

adeegee
03-11-2005, 11:57 PM
I wish they did..maybe in Miami.. so ivan can spank him and this guy could stop bitching.

the thing is, i've got absolutely nothing against ivan. i just think you're going way over the top with him. he's won 1 tournament. until he changes that you can't keep preaching like he's the best player in the world. plus its unfair to keep putting an 18 year old kid's atp titles down, because he didnt have to beat top 20 players. there were top 20 players in both fields but he had a nice draw. it happens. ivan has played in many tournaments with fields weaker than acapulco and not won them.

i'd expect ivan to edge out rafa at the moment should they play in miami, as he can get more cheap points on his serve but i'd expect it to be close....if they met at the french, well i'd fully expect rafa to kick his ass

El Legenda
03-11-2005, 11:57 PM
well Rafael's simply choosing the tournaments that he can do well in, there's no reason why he should choose to get worse results... ;)

well im sure that players dont enter tounry thinking they will lose in 1st round...they think about going all the way.

El Legenda
03-12-2005, 12:00 AM
the thing is, i've got absolutely nothing against ivan. i just think you're going way over the top with him. he's won 1 tournament. until he changes that you can't keep preaching like he's the best player in the world. plus its unfair to keep putting an 18 year old kid's atp titles down, because he didnt have to beat top 20 players. there were top 20 players in both fields but he had a nice draw. it happens. ivan has played in many tournaments with fields weaker than acapulco and not won them.

i'd expect ivan to edge out rafa at the moment should they play in miami, as he can get more cheap points on his serve but i'd expect it to be close....if they met at the french, well i'd fully expect rafa to kick his ass

Ivan will suprise alot of people with the play on clay this year

and no it wont be even close if they play at miami

and nothing cheap about having a good serve and winning points on it...its a skill.

adelaide
03-12-2005, 12:05 AM
well im sure that players dont enter tounry thinking they will lose in 1st round...they think about going all the way.

yes they all think about going all the way. and in 2 of the 3 South American clay tourneys, Rafael did go all the way. I dont think he would have, if he did go to join the bigger names in Europe. I'm not saying that Rafael is already sooo great that he can go around beating everybody, definitely not. Ivan is much better of a player I admit, but I just don't see how you can kind of... put him down for making decisions that are good for him.

I'd much rather see him WIN smaller tournaments than reach 3rd round in bigger ones....... :confused:

adeegee
03-12-2005, 12:08 AM
Ivan will suprise alot of people with the play on clay this year

and no it wont be even close if they play at miami

and nothing cheap about having a good serve and winning points on it...its a skill.

its a tennis term...cheap points on the serve meaning you don't have to work for every point, as many serves are unreturned

i'll give you big odds on ivan to beat rafa convincingly should they meet

bad gambler
03-12-2005, 12:37 AM
ljuby has a had a great year so far -no one can deny that

but until he starts putting the results in the slams he is only a "nearly" man in my books.

and as to whether nadal would beat ljuby, that's a hypothetical so i'll pass on that

Daniel
03-12-2005, 01:19 AM
Rafael doesnt have to play every single tournament , he is smart and decides to skip IW and play Miami which is more important.

Argentine girl
03-12-2005, 01:25 AM
Originally Posted by RubberDucky
R32 Acasuso, Jose (ARG ) 31 7-6(1) 6-3
R16 Calatrava, Alex (ESP ) 138 6-3 6-3
Q Calleri, Agustin (ARG ) 46 6-2 6-7(5) 6-4
S Mello, Ricardo (BRA ) 71 2-6 6-2 6-4
W Martin, Alberto (ESP ) 46 6-0 6-7(2) 6-1


This Event Points: 35, New Indesit ATP Race Position: 17, Prize Money: US $ 52000



Acapulco, Mexico
International Series Gold, 2/21/2005, O, Clay , Draw: 32


R32 Calatrava, Alex (ESP ) 121 6-4 6-4
R16 Ventura, Santiago (ESP ) 52 7-6 6-2
Q Canas, Guillermo (ARG ) 36 7-5 6-3
S Puerta, Mariano (ARG ) 42 6-4 6-1
W Montanes, Albert (ESP ) 134 6-1 6-0

You forgot to mention this:
Acapulco, Mexico WINNER 50 points Prizemoney $128,000

If Rafa chose to play at Indian Well instead of Acapulco, he has to go (at least) through semi-final to get 45 points. That seems almost impossible. I fully support his decision to take South America tour.
Best of luck Rafa. Take a rest and do well in European Clay court.

Scotso
03-12-2005, 03:54 AM
If rest was a concern, then he should have went from Acapulco to Indian Wells and skipped Davis Cup. (They had no intention of using him anyway.)

I understand his reasoning, but you should never skip a Masters Series event.

Action Jackson
03-12-2005, 03:58 AM
I understand his reasoning, but you should never skip a Masters Series event.

Tell that to Roddick and Federer.

Deivid23
03-12-2005, 08:40 AM
If rest was a concern, then he should have went from Acapulco to Indian Wells and skipped Davis Cup. (They had no intention of using him anyway.)

I understand his reasoning, but you should never skip a Masters Series event.

Skip DC? I think Nadal would laugh at this...

I donīt understand why you criticize him bc of an smart decision... :rolleyes:

Chloe le Bopper
03-12-2005, 08:53 AM
These are all decent players, you can't deny he's well ahead of his age.

Exactly. Why people insist on applying the standards of a top player to a developing player like Rafa is absolutely beyond me. He's potentially top ten. He's not top ten right now. He wasn't even top 50 to start the year.

Chloe le Bopper
03-12-2005, 08:56 AM
Ivan does not have any titles this year YET.because he plays in tournys with the best players. and not tounrys with jounryemen.
Ivan also ended 2004 about 30 ranking spots higher than Rafa. I would hope that he's playing the tournaments with stronger fields.

Rafa played the SA circuit to get his ranking up. His goal was to be seeded for the RG. Well, seeing as it's March and he's ranked 30th with virtually nothing of note beyond Miami to defend... I would say mission accomplished.

Oh, and since it was brought up: Rafa and Ivan have played this year, and Ivan won, of course. Doha: 6 2 6 7 6 3

Chloe le Bopper
03-12-2005, 08:58 AM
Ivan will suprise alot of people with the play on clay this year

and no it wont be even close if they play at miami

and nothing cheap about having a good serve and winning points on it...its a skill.

"Cheap points on serve" is the lingo. It's not putting down the skill.

Chloe le Bopper
03-12-2005, 09:00 AM
If rest was a concern, then he should have went from Acapulco to Indian Wells and skipped Davis Cup. (They had no intention of using him anyway.)

He made his schedule before realizing he would go on a ten match win streak. And he's not going to turn down Davis Cup at this point in his career, no matter the circumstances.

I understand his reasoning, but you should never skip a Masters Series event.

Tell that to the people who set up the schedule and threw some of them back to back.

Experimentee
03-12-2005, 09:10 AM
It is ok for him not to play IW. Its his decision and if he is tired it is a good one. Most players dont play every single TMS.

Cervantes
03-12-2005, 10:00 AM
He played 13 matches in less than 20 days in South America, travelled to Slovakia and if he wants to be perfect for big clay events (he missed French Open last two years due to injury) he must take a break some day. Itīs called smart decision

smart decision? really smart to miss the first of the TMS events. he knew beforehand he'd have to play DC in Slovakia, so then he shouldn't have played Acapulco. it's all about choices at the top and he clearly made a mistake here.

crouching
03-12-2005, 10:01 AM
Acapulco, Mexico
International Series Gold, 2/21/2005, O, Clay , Draw: 32


R32 Calatrava, Alex (ESP ) 121 6-4 6-4
R16 Ventura, Santiago (ESP ) 52 7-6 6-2
Q Canas, Guillermo (ARG ) 36 7-5 6-3
S Puerta, Mariano (ARG ) 42 6-4 6-1
W Montanes, Albert (ESP ) 134 6-1 6-0

Eh, hello?? If Canas isn't a current top-15 player, then what is he?

If you pull out data from the ATP website, you get rankings based on the CHAMPIONS RACE, not the Entry Rankings.

And you guys call yourselves tennis fans... sheesh.

Deivid23
03-12-2005, 10:14 AM
smart decision? really smart to miss the first of the TMS events. he knew beforehand he'd have to play DC in Slovakia, so then he shouldn't have played Acapulco. it's all about choices at the top and he clearly made a mistake here.

Smart decision indeed. Those 2 tourneys in a row meant a totally unexpected success for him, if he hadnīt won any of them heīd have played for sure in Indian Wells.

Cervantes
03-12-2005, 01:13 PM
Smart decision indeed. Those 2 tourneys in a row meant a totally unexpected success for him, if he hadnīt won any of them heīd have played for sure in Indian Wells.

ok, it was unexpected that he'd win both, but still when making your schedule you should take into account that you're flying all over the world within a couple of weeks. it might have been better for him to play some tournaments in Europe, given that the DC was also in Europe on a similar surface. that way he could have easily played IW and he might also have done better in DC. I know clay is his favorite surface, but now he's missing one of the big tournaments of the season because of a stupid schedule and you can't make up these points anywhere else in the season, this 0 stands.

Deivid23
03-12-2005, 01:41 PM
You talk about stupid decision and I see it as a smart one, we wonīt agree here so better end of discussion.

Horatio Caine
03-12-2005, 01:50 PM
what an absolute load of nonsense. i'm disappointed he's not playing indian wells coz i think he could've done well, its not a particularly quick court. deivid is talking a lot of sense, he's 18 and has had many big matches recently. he's got every right to take a short break and it'll benefit him in the long run

Precisely - it is not as if he doesn't have 12 appearances left in him!

He is right to take a short break. The last thing he needs is a further injury that will prevent him from playing his favourite events on his favourite surface. All his hard work the last 3 weeks would then be wasted...it isn't as if he was a title contender in IW anyway. He should have yanked Ivan onto the rest plane too - that Croat's brain really has been fried. Not really surprised since the lack of hair means that his brain is a easy obvious target for the sun's rays!

bad gambler
03-12-2005, 01:55 PM
agree with most posts here

if the kid is tired logically move is to take a short break and get ready for the european clay tournies

adeegee
03-12-2005, 03:18 PM
finally some sense prevails through deivid, jez and bg!

on the previous points, why on earth would rafa have skipped the SA tournaments. its not as if he was guaranteed to win those 2 tournaments it was a marvellous achievement and one that won't be put down however much rubberducky tries. even once he'd done this there was absolutely no way he'd pull out of the DC, not after how much he loved it last year and he thought he could do a job for spain. unfortunately not. he's only 18 he can't constantly play matches its a good decision.

and i'll come back to this when ivan collapses of exhaustion in indian wells

tennischick
03-12-2005, 03:44 PM
why in God's name are headlines involving Nadal running to the dramatic?

first he dismays the world with his sexy capris :hearts:

next he's a serial killer in Brazil.

now this.

can't the guy just get a normal headline for a change? :p

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03-12-2005, 03:47 PM
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03-12-2005, 03:52 PM
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03-12-2005, 03:54 PM
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03-12-2005, 03:56 PM
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03-12-2005, 03:57 PM
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03-12-2005, 03:58 PM
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03-12-2005, 03:59 PM
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03-12-2005, 04:06 PM
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tennischick
03-12-2005, 04:08 PM
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You then look into my eyes, with only two words on your lips: :topic:
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Chloe le Bopper
03-12-2005, 07:33 PM
smart decision? really smart to miss the first of the TMS events. he knew beforehand he'd have to play DC in Slovakia, so then he shouldn't have played Acapulco. it's all about choices at the top and he clearly made a mistake here.

As I've already said, I don't see how you can argue whether or not his decision was intelligent. He went down to SA ranked near 50 and came back ranked 30. That would NOT have happened in Indian Wells, unless he got the draw from heaven, because he would not have been seeded. While he's plenty good, I would not expect him to tear up the draw at a hardcourt masters series just yet.

tennisinparis
03-12-2005, 10:09 PM
let me ask this question: what does it really matter what tournaments he chooses? he knows himself better than any of us. and he had success at those two tournaments, so i think he made a decent decision? he might well know he wouldn't go to far in IW. and last question: for those of you are fans of Ivan, why does it matter to you. It gives Ivan a chance to stay ahead of him in rankings(not that he wouldn't anyway), so think about that. i guess your only reason for complaining is that there is now no chance of Ivan meeting Rafa at IW, but it will happen sooner or later so give it up. you will have your day. and another question, why not complain about the other players who dropped out.

Chloe le Bopper
03-12-2005, 10:10 PM
It goes without saying that Nadal made the right decision. The people who are bitching about it are just bitching for the sake of bitching. No point in trying to talk logic to them any further :p