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Federer/Ljubicic ..... the new Roddick Kiefer?

Havok
03-09-2005, 01:16 AM
Last year Andy played Kiefer 3 times in a matter of what 2 months during the summer HC. We've barely started this year, and Fed/Ivan played 3 times already, and are slated for a r16 showdown at IW.:scared: For Ivan's sake, I hope after this event, he's far far away from Roger as possible, poor dude.

Action Jackson
03-09-2005, 01:21 AM
Does anyone see a similarity with Naldo's question as in 2004 with Federer and Pavel. Pavel was playing very good tennis, but always ran into Roger.

They played in
2004 Davis Cup
2004 Dubai
2004 Rotterdam
2004 Indian Wells

Then they haven't played since.

Havok
03-09-2005, 01:24 AM
Ack, maybe IW is the tournament that breaks the curse.:p I completely forgot about Roger/Pavel playing week-in week-out early in 04, thanks for bringing that up.

Action Jackson
03-09-2005, 01:26 AM
Not a problem Naldo. Your question was a very good one and I remembered that as I like both players and know Pavel was just getting frustrated seeing Federer in his section of the draw.

Action Jackson
03-09-2005, 01:27 AM
I know Guillermo Coria and Feliciano Lopez met 5 times in 2003 with the first one being the Stuttgart outdoor, then Kitzbhuel, Montreal, Basel and Paris.

Lopez only won a match, because Coria had to default.

jole
03-09-2005, 01:31 AM
You've got to assume Clement is happy he most likely won't face Hewitt in Indian Wells, provided he qualifies!

smucav
03-09-2005, 01:40 AM
Last year Andy played Kiefer 3 times in a matter of what 2 months during the summer HC.Andy/Kiefer played 3 matches in 3 weeks (roughly 10 days from start to finish): Indianapolis F, Toronto SF, Cinncinnati 2R.

Andy/Hyung-Taik Lee were almost the new Andy/Kiefer (2 weeks in a row: San Jose R1, Memphis R2--six days from start to finish) but alas, Lee is the other half of the IW draw.

I feel like Haas/Malisse/Miryni are playing each other every week, and sure enough, Malisse/Miryni are playing 1R Indian Wells.

El Legenda
03-09-2005, 01:57 AM
If Roger/Ivan play in 4th round..should be a good match...Ivan watchs alot of tape from matchs before..hopefully he can picked up few things on Rogers game and his own.

Neely
03-09-2005, 06:35 AM
The Ljubicic fans can only hope that Ljubicic doesn't end like Pavel after running into Federer so many times at the beginning of 2004. Then since April/May, Pavel hardly could get deep in draws of any tournaments (and still is struggling), but he played good tennis before.

Deivid23
03-09-2005, 07:32 AM
I know Guillermo Coria and Feliciano Lopez met 5 times in 2003 with the first one being the Stuttgart outdoor, then Kitzbhuel, Montreal, Basel and Paris.

Lopez only won a match, because Coria had to default.

López has also declared Coria is his worst nightmare, only chance for López to beat him is if Coria gets injured.

RonE
03-09-2005, 09:28 AM
I think Ivan's game is deadlier than Andrei's and he can live better with Federer than Andrei could last year. Remember, all the Federer-Pavel encounters in early 2004 were straight sets affairs. He has a bigger game and more solid mental fortitude than Andrei so I don't think he will be too discouraged even if he does play Roger again and loses to him.

blosson
03-09-2005, 12:17 PM
The Ljubicic fans can only hope that Ljubicic doesn't end like Pavel after running into Federer so many times at the beginning of 2004. Then since April/May, Pavel hardly could get deep in draws of any tournaments (and still is struggling), but he played good tennis before.

It's not only Pavel. Every player who runs into Federer multiple times is screwed these days. They all ended up with a horrible H to H against The Fed.

Neely
03-09-2005, 12:43 PM
It's not only Pavel. Every player who runs into Federer multiple times is screwed these days. They all ended up with a horrible H to H against The Fed.
I think you misunderstood me or I didn't make it clear enough in my post. I didn't intend saying or blaming Pavel for his losses against Federer.

I wanted more to say that I hope Ljubicic doesn't end like Pavel last year: playing his best tennis at the beginning of the season, running into Federer so many times (getting no reward for his good tennis = no titles) and then for the rest of the year (since April/May) his form dropped remarkably and maybe he ran out of power towards the end, too.

So it's going to be interesting to see whether Ljubicic can (approximately) hold his current high level for longer time than Pavel was able to do.

*M*
03-09-2005, 01:00 PM
Pavel was also supposed to play Roger last year in the 4th round at the US Open, but pulled out beforehand with back problems. At the time I wondered if he would have tried to play that round if he had had a different opponent.

onewoman74
03-09-2005, 01:39 PM
I'm pissed that they're on the same side of the draw...i just don't get it.

Sjengster
03-09-2005, 01:52 PM
If you're 30 years old and get to the second week of a Grand Slam and are scheduled to play a night match on Arthur Ashe against the world no. 1, you don't pull out unless you absolutely have to. I doubt Pavel would have played no matter who his opponent was, he had a five-set win over Lee in the previous round and it obviously aggravated his long-standing back problem. He does get on well with Federer though, I remember reading his interview in Miami where he said "I've been getting shit from other players like you wouldn't believe... 'what, you're not playing Roger this week?'" He also remarked that when he passed Federer in the corridor leading to the locker-room he jokingly feigned a punch at him.

Ljubicic has certainly come closer, and seems to have a greater amount of self-belief that he is going to get a win over Federer sooner or later. In theory he'll be too exhausted after his efforts in recent weeks to put up much of a fight if that IW meeting takes place, but then I said the same thing in the early rounds of Rotterdam, then in the early rounds of Dubai, then the week before the DC, and he proved me wrong every single time.

jtipson
03-09-2005, 01:58 PM
I'm pissed that they're on the same side of the draw...i just don't get it.

For only the second time this year ;) (the other was the AO).

yanchr
03-09-2005, 01:59 PM
Pavel was also supposed to play Roger last year in the 4th round at the US Open, but pulled out beforehand with back problems. At the time I wondered if he would have tried to play that round if he had had a different opponent.
I had wondered about that too.

The difference between Roger-Pavel and Roger-Ljubicic is that Pavel ran into Roger mostly in early rounds. If my memory doesn't fail me, he ran into Roger mostly in the 1st rounds, while Ljubicic climbed his way up till final to play Roger. I don't know who is more unlucky actually. Pavel was deprived of chances to get deep into the tournaments while Ljubicic was deprived of 3 titles.

Sjengster
03-09-2005, 02:06 PM
Probably Ljubicic, Pavel had good results outside his meetings with Federer - 4th round at the AO, quarters in Miami, then a very good claycourt season. The thing about those matches was that they started off tight (well, 3, 2 and 5 in that DC match on clay in Romania, followed by a 7-6, 7-5 scoreline in Rotterdam) and then got a whole lot easier: 3 and 3 in Dubai, and then 1 and 1 in IW, which is the second time Federer has double-breadsticked Pavel, the first coming back in 2002 when they met in the quarters of Miami.

Ljubicic has wins over Federer on three different surfaces, and the majority of their matches have gone the distance - the ones that haven't are the Doha final this year, the Federer win in Marseille when Ljubicic retired after the first set, and their only meeting on clay in Gstaad one year (in which Federer won a grand total of three games).

yanchr
03-09-2005, 02:19 PM
The thing about those matches was that they started off tight (well, 3, 2 and 5 in that DC match on clay in Romania, followed by a 7-6, 7-5 scoreline in Rotterdam) and then got a whole lot easier: 3 and 3 in Dubai, and then 1 and 1 in IW, which is the second time Federer has double-breadsticked Pavel, the first coming back in 2002 when they met in the quarters of Miami.
Yeah, I remember that quite clearly. So have to pity Pavel much plus he actually has a good game. I really believe he got more and more frustrated every time he bumped into Roger and his confidence was declining considerably. So for a reason, he is more unlucky;) I believe for Ljubicic, he will just be more eager than not to play Roger again.

Sjengster
03-09-2005, 02:30 PM
But Pavel went from strength to strength after that fourth loss to Federer: he made the Miami quarters and then in the clay season, reached the semis in Houston, the last 16 in Monte Carlo and the quarters in Rome, and every time he lost to the eventual champion. In fact, I think the loss that really hurt him was ironically enough to Ljubicic in the third round of Hamburg - I saw a bit of that match and Pavel led 2-0 in the deciding set only to lose five games in a row, and from then on he didn't win back to back matches again until the US Open. He lost to Arthurs in Cincinnati, there's an indication of how much he was struggling (this was before Wayno developed the return game that miraculously appeared a couple of weeks ago in Scottsdale).

tangerine_dream
03-09-2005, 03:08 PM
Ivan is Roger's new beeyatch which is a good thing because Roger's harem was starting to get stale and he needs some new blood. :lol:

Leena
03-09-2005, 03:10 PM
It's like Bovina and Trannie.

I think the WTA/ATP purposely sets up matches like this.

Rogerer must have called Ivan at 2:30 in Gstaad, or something.