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AUSTRALIA VS ARGENTINA!!!!

ugotlobbed
03-06-2005, 07:11 PM
Whos gonna win it lads

tennismaster882001
03-06-2005, 07:15 PM
It depends where this match takes place! On clay, Argentina for sure, but on any other surface Australia!

Action Jackson
03-06-2005, 07:16 PM
Played in Australia and it'll be on grass.

Chloe le Bopper
03-06-2005, 07:18 PM
I voted for Argentina, but only because I like them the bestest :)

lucashg
03-06-2005, 09:07 PM
I want Argentina to win, but seeing that it's on grass and in Australia, it's gonna be really difficult. Is there any hope for Nalbandian to defeat Hewitt? If not, then they should put Coria against Hewitt and let Nalbandian try the wins in the other single matches, if he's playing two.

sigmagirl91
03-06-2005, 09:51 PM
I want Argentina to win, but seeing that it's on grass and in Australia, it's gonna be really difficult. Is there any hope for Nalbandian to defeat Hewitt? If not, then they should put Coria against Hewitt and let Nalbandian try the wins in the other single matches, if he's playing two.

Coria against Hewitt on grass? No. Why? Because, although Hewitt and Coria have similar games, Hewitt has greater experience on the stuff and should prevail. BTW, they have yet to play one another, so it can be a toss-up here....

thelma
03-06-2005, 09:52 PM
C'mon Australia! :bounce:

Havok
03-06-2005, 10:01 PM
AUS only has Hewitt as their singles guy, so Coria/Nalbandian or whomever plays for ARG during this tie has a shot at winning both their matches vs the other singles player. Doubles huge edge to Australia so they will win. Also, it's on grass, which hurts the Argies even more. If it were on clay, ARG would win no matter what, on a hardcourt/rebound ace it would be 50/50 I would say. Nice match-up but the surface will kill any fun involved in this one I think.

Denaon
03-06-2005, 10:22 PM
I believe it is a very good chance for Argentina, despite the surface.
Hewitt is not unbeatable in grass, he certainly will be the toughest but Nalbandian and Cañas might have a chance against him. Coria nor Gaudio are likely to me to be playing the singles matches. Doubles should truly be "the" point to win, considering Leyton winning both his matches.
I feel confident of our "muchachos"...:banana: :woohoo:

Fergie
03-06-2005, 10:40 PM
I guess Australia :yeah:

Angle Queen
03-06-2005, 10:45 PM
I believe it is a very good chance for Argentina, despite the surfaceI'm of the same mind. Love Lleyton, especially in DC...but unless he can get help...I see the Argentinians winning this one. Should be the most interesting tie.

Carito_90
03-06-2005, 11:16 PM
I'm not too confident about this one. I think I will give my opinion about this when Wimbledon finishes. The tie is on Hewitt's hands I say, depends on how he's playing at the moment. That's why I will wait.

alfonsojose
03-06-2005, 11:32 PM
Chela !! I want to see him spittin' Potato again :tape:

jazz_girl
03-06-2005, 11:46 PM
I'm not too confident about this one. I think I will give my opinion about this when Wimbledon finishes. The tie is on Hewitt's hands I say, depends on how he's playing at the moment. That's why I will wait.
Yeah, I agree. With all the injuries that our guys usually have, we cannot say anything right now. We have to wait and celebrate our recent victory! :)

Smankyou
03-07-2005, 12:20 AM
AUS only has Hewitt as their singles guy, so Coria/Nalbandian or whomever plays for ARG during this tie has a shot at winning both their matches vs the other singles player.
Grass is Philipuseless' favourite surface. And I figure he may have pulled himself together a bit by the time Wimbedon swings around.

Anyway, whoever wins this tie will probably be the eventual winner.

Domino
03-07-2005, 01:02 AM
Argentina will use Canas and Nalbandian. Nalbandian has a great shot at winning on grass, and so does Canas. It favors Australia, but stranger stuff has happened.

Doctor Dance
03-07-2005, 01:15 AM
i have many australian friends so hope australia will win :)

Argentine girl
03-07-2005, 01:24 AM
Argentina will win. It's about the time that David will shut Hewitt up. I believe David will win 2 single rubbers and Coria/Canas will win 1. Argentina will win 3-2. Happy Ending.

azza
03-07-2005, 01:40 AM
Arthurs Draper Hewitt Flip an Guccione on Grass all could beat any of the argentinian guys on the grass

FanOfHewitt
03-07-2005, 01:50 AM
If Philippoussis gets his shit together and can win at least one of the singles then Australia should win.

Otherwise Hewitt v Nalbandian will probably be the deciding factor.

In a way I wish this tie was in Argentina. Even though Hewitt would probably lose on clay I would love to see him with his back to the wall in hostile territory (especially given his history with the Argentinians) battling away. There's nothing more inspiring to me.

Auscon
03-07-2005, 01:52 AM
If Philippoussis gets his shit together and can win at least one of the singles then Australia should win.

Otherwise Hewitt v Nalbandian will probably be the deciding factor.

In a way I wish this tie was in Argentina. Even though Hewitt would probably lose on clay I would love to see him with his back to the wall in hostile territory (especially given his history with the Argentinians) battling away. There's nothing more inspiring to me.

if he could get No1 Guga in his hometown on clay, I think he could do it to anyone in DC

Experimentee
03-07-2005, 01:58 AM
I think Australia but it'll be close. Something like 3-2. I think Lleyton will win his matches but the #2 wont, whether its Arthurs or Mark P, as some of the Argentines are good on grass, like Nalbandian, and Canas is decent too. The doubles team will win. I will be cheering for Australia for once.

willie
03-07-2005, 02:23 AM
this is very simple argentina has 3 matches to win and are the two single matches to the second player of australia and one of the two single players of argentina(nalby, coria or cañas) must win one of the rubbers to hewitt.doubles is lost and probably 1 rubber versus hewitt also.

Socket
03-07-2005, 02:31 AM
If Philippoussis gets his shit together and can win at least one of the singles then Australia should win.

Otherwise Hewitt v Nalbandian will probably be the deciding factor.

In a way I wish this tie was in Argentina. Even though Hewitt would probably lose on clay I would love to see him with his back to the wall in hostile territory (especially given his history with the Argentinians) battling away. There's nothing more inspiring to me.
I agree with you about the venue. Lleyton is actually at his best on hostile territory. But the Fanatics are sure to drive Nalbandian crazy again, so that aspect will be fun to watch. :D

Jorge
03-07-2005, 02:32 AM
If Lleyton is in a good shape I don't see Argentina beating the aussies on grass.
Besides Hewitt, the aussies have Wayne Arthurs or Mark P. whom despite their current ranking are very hard to beat on grass if their serve works.
In addition aussie doubles team (Woodbridge/Arthurs) would be favourite over any argentinean team on that surface.

I'd say 4-1 to Australia or 3-2.
Anyway everything depends a lot on Lleyton's shape at that moment. We have to wait in order to make more accurate predictions.

Socket
03-07-2005, 02:53 AM
Jorge's analysis seems reasonable. And you bet your bottom dollar that the grass court in Sydney will play like an ice rink by July.

Roger-No.1
03-07-2005, 02:55 AM
Jorge's analysis seems reasonable. And you bet your bottom dollar that the grass court in Sydney will play like an ice rink by July.
I agree.

undomiele
03-07-2005, 03:03 AM
Too soon to tell. Though I think Nalbandian could take Hewitt out. Nalbandian is a very good grasscourt player -- one of the best returners on the tour. It'll mostly be a mind thing for sure, but when Nalbandian can focus he's a formidable player on the fast court --he's no lightweight that Hewitt will be able to plow through. Their last match on hardcourts, in fact, at the AO was intensely gripping and damn, damn close. Nalby has grown up considerably since the Wimby 2002 finals tennis-wise, and I believe its really just a case of him wanting an injury-free chance to prove himself so he's not a player to be underestimated on any type of surface.

I do think Australia will completely maul us in the doubles, but I'm not so sure about the singles. Coria, Nalbandian and Canias are all top 12 players after all whereas Hewitt is the only aussie in the entire top 50. Phillippoussis is currently in the 200's and out of practice, Im not sure he can take out top tenners when he's so low in the rankings. Arthurs has been playing well lately, but all the same, a guy like Canias could take him on, even on grass. All in all, I think Argentina has a good chance against the favored aussies. They'll definitely have to work their asses off on grass this year but it can be done. Don't write us off. We've got some depth. After all, our players can play non-clay surfaces better than the aussies can on clay. ;) :p

It'll be the most anticipated match-up of DC this year for sure.

Roger-No.1
03-07-2005, 03:16 AM
Nalbandian is a very good grasscourt player --
True. Hewitt will have to work hard if he wants to beat him.

Prizeidiot
03-07-2005, 04:31 AM
I'd back the Aussies... especially is Wayne can sustain his form. The grass should be much faster for the tie than it has been in the past week. Lleyton shouldn't lose a singles match, considering that he plays on grass better than most, he has a bit of an edge on them in head to head, and he lifts more than any other player I've seen for DC. I think Todd and Wayne might own in the doubles on grass. So yeah, Aussies to win

Action Jackson
03-07-2005, 04:33 AM
Australia will win.

katulampa
03-07-2005, 05:20 AM
Australia should win this tie, i reckon it will be 3-2 :eek: Australia

katulampa
03-07-2005, 05:21 AM
as long Hewitt win 2 of his single matches on grass

and Australia win the doubles, they will be fine!

*Ljubica*
03-07-2005, 05:33 AM
I want Argentina to win, but realistically I think it will go to Australia :sad:

Björki
03-07-2005, 05:35 AM
Australia will win

bad gambler
03-07-2005, 05:45 AM
aussies 3-2 (aussies will have wrapped up the tie by the 4th match)

flip will be back as our saviour :cuckoo:

now its time for me to have my medication

Kristen
03-07-2005, 05:56 AM
lol bg...

If Australia do win... at least I will feel slightly better after this weekend! lol...
But I'm hoping for Argentina to upset them. Of course. Either way, there's something positive for me :tape:

Action Jackson
03-07-2005, 06:02 AM
I am a big Argie fan and I doubt they will win.

MariaV
03-07-2005, 07:01 AM
aussies 3-2 (aussies will have wrapped up the tie by the 4th match)

flip will be back as our saviour :cuckoo:

now its time for me to have my medication

bg :haha: :haha:

Anyway, I think Australia will still win.

Levo.
03-07-2005, 07:18 AM
Australia :D

syd
03-07-2005, 09:30 AM
i voted australia because they will be at home but
I'd like to see argentina win
but on grass it's gonna be difficult !!
but i think argentina has a chance with coria & nalbandian !!we'll see !!!!!!!!!!
& good luck Argentina & Russia !!!! :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

Levo.
03-07-2005, 09:44 AM
As long as the grass is GOOD, Aussies should sneak through.

But if its that crap they had for Australia vs Austria... :scared:

That shit was more like clay :retard: Worst grass ever.

sigmagirl91
03-07-2005, 01:23 PM
As long as the grass is GOOD, Aussies should sneak through.

But if its that crap they had for Australia vs Austria... :scared:

That shit was more like clay :retard: Worst grass ever.

The grass was probably had sand on it.... :o

~EMiLiTA~
03-07-2005, 01:29 PM
on grass, in Australia...I'd have to go for the Aussies

~EMiLiTA~
03-07-2005, 01:32 PM
As long as the grass is GOOD, Aussies should sneak through.

But if its that crap they had for Australia vs Austria... :scared:

That shit was more like clay :retard: Worst grass ever.

hahaha yeah I know!!! how awful was it! and they had loose grass at the T so on some serves it'd leave this big hole

Action Jackson
03-07-2005, 01:33 PM
The grass will be faster than a bowling green and Australia will win.

Hendu
03-07-2005, 03:01 PM
Im confident about the Argentine chances of winning this tie, Cañas and Nalbandian can beat Arthurs... (Enqvist and Escude already did it on grass).

Hewitt will be very very tough... but Nalbandian could make it, though he isn't the favorite for this match...

So I guess the decisive match will be the doubles. Arthurs-Woodbridge are a great couple, but they are not unbeatable...

The Lapentti brothers beated them in 2001 on grass, so I don't see why Nalbandian and some doubles specialist couldn't make it...

The Aussies are the favourites... but if Argentina won, it wouldn't be surprising... they can make the semis, actually they will... ;)

Action Jackson
03-07-2005, 03:03 PM
I am glad you are confident about that Willy.

The Poo if he isn't injured will play singles instead of Arthurs and is better on grass, so that could be another problem.

Alvarillo
03-07-2005, 03:07 PM
Aguante Argentina !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vamos Vamos Vamos !!! Otra Davis Latina !!!! :bounce:
Que se coman su hierba los aussies, con un solo singlista poko pueden hacer!
Vamossssss :)

Hendu
03-07-2005, 03:15 PM
I am glad you are confident about that Willy.

The Poo if he isn't injured will play singles instead of Arthurs and is better on grass, so that could be another problem.

Sorry but I don't see Philippoussis as a "problem" right now... we will see in 5 months...

I think that something crucial for this tie is that it will be played just after the grass season... so our players will have playing time to adapt to the surface...

Action Jackson
03-07-2005, 03:19 PM
The thing is the Argentines would have to win the doubles to win this tie.

Hewitt is better than Nalbandian and Willy on grass, but then again they could easily get the # 2 though the Poo is very unpredictable, and with Arthurs if they get enough serves back they are a chance.

Well the timing of the tie is in their favour.

sigmagirl91
03-07-2005, 03:22 PM
aussies 3-2 (aussies will have wrapped up the tie by the 4th match)

flip will be back as our saviour :cuckoo:

now its time for me to have my medication

:haha: :haha:

undomiele
03-07-2005, 03:33 PM
The last match at AO tween Hewitt and Nalbandian was a 6/3 6/2 1/6 3/6 10/8 affair. I don't think ppl should automatically discount Nalbandian when a) its Davis Cup, b) David is a naturally gifted grasscourter and c) Hewitt has it coming for his stupid "come ons". ;) :p If anything its good that the australians underestimate the argentines and that Woodbridge and Hewitt get taught a lesson in humility.

But seriously, the best way to predict a Davis Cup round is to judge the form of the players leading up to the event. Anything can happen (like Federer acquiring a free argentine passport :lol: )

Action Jackson
03-07-2005, 03:37 PM
Well Hewitt got his in 2000 when Corretja hit a smash in his face at the WTC.

The Argentines need to be 1-1 before I consider them a chance of winning the tie. This doesn't mean I am not going to cheer them on, it's that I don't expect them to win. The Aussies will try tricks for sure and I hope the Argentines are prepared for this.

KCVH
03-07-2005, 04:35 PM
Would pick the Aussies.

ys
03-07-2005, 05:10 PM
The interesting point is.. I am not sure it is going to be on grass.. Remember, it is going to be a winter.. I think they might play on rebound ace, probably indoors..

Hendu
03-07-2005, 05:16 PM
The interesting point is.. I am not sure it is going to be on grass.. Remember, it is going to be a winter.. I think they might play on rebound ace, probably indoors..

no way... I am sure it is going to be on grass, a very VERY fast grass court....

undomiele
03-07-2005, 05:18 PM
yeah, good point. Hard to have an outdoor grasscourt in the middle of the winter. How cold does it get in Australia?

I dont think the Aussies could force Argentina to play an outdoor grass event if its freezing. I just don't see that flying. There are some fast indoor carpet surfaces that the aussies could use instead.

Hendu
03-07-2005, 05:38 PM
The interesting point is.. I am not sure it is going to be on grass.. Remember, it is going to be a winter.. I think they might play on rebound ace, probably indoors..


Here is an article from The Australian: Link (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,12464241%255E23216,00.html)


Grass surfaces as key issue
By Leo Schlink
March 07, 2005
THE prospect of Mark Philippoussis finding form and a fast grasscourt has Lleyton Hewitt excited about a tricky Davis Cup clash with Argentina in July.


Hewitt, spat at by Juan Ignacio Chela and bumped by David Nalbandian at the Australian Open, expects a tougher July 15-17 quarter-final than the 5-0 first-round whitewash of Austria at Olympic Park.

Todd Woodbridge yesterday downed Marco Mirnegg 6-3 4-6 7-5 while debutant Chris Guccione overpowered Alexander Peya 6-3 6-4 to complete the rout.

Argentina made the last eight by taking a 3-0 lead over the Czech Republic, as champions Spain went out to the Slovak Republic in Bratislava.

Australia's players were not happy with the performance of the StrathAyr court at the weekend and want it sped up to make it harder for Argentina in what looms as a spiteful encounter.

Woodbridge said the crumbling portable court played like a claycourt. Wayne Arthurs complained of "ordinary bounces", while Davis Cup captain John Fitzgerald said the ball "propped".

TA has lodged a preliminary submission to the International Tennis Federation to play the tie on portable grass in Sydney, as Philippoussis returns to singles duty in Indian Wells this week.

But Australia's players want the court to be made faster and take more slice.

"I'd like it to be a bit quicker than it was this weekend," Hewitt said. "Against class players such as Nalbandian, [Guillermo] Coria, [Guillermo] Canas -- these type of guys can adjust to a grasscourt, especially Nalbandian."

Hewitt will relish renewing hostilities with the Argentines, who beat an Australian team lacking Hewitt and Philippoussis 5-0 in Buenos Aires three years ago.

Woodbridge said the Argentines had prepared "the wettest claycourt I've ever played on".

"We'll be throwing everything back at them," he said. "We'll be giving them everything they dislike when they come down here."

In January, Hewitt was targeted by Chela and Wimbledon finalist Nalbandian at Melbourne Park.

Chela was fined for spitting at Hewitt, while Nalbandian blasted the Australian's behaviour after losing a poisonous quarter-final.

"It will be a tough match," Hewitt said. "They've obviously got an unbelievable line-up and so much depth as well.

"A lot depends on the surface we play on and it's good to have another home-tie as well."

Australian captain Fitzgerald strongly supported the use of the portable grasscourt.

"We'd like to play on a true, traditional grasscourt because grass logically gives us our best chance," he said.

undomiele
03-07-2005, 05:54 PM
It just doesnt make sense, an outdoor grasscourt in winter? Its just strange, Ive never heard of it. I don't think the ITF could approve --it has to be an indoors thing. And an indoor grass court would just be stretching it --that would be ridiculous. If it gets cold in Australia as it does here in July then the australians are nuts.

What do the aussie fans here think?

ys
03-07-2005, 06:02 PM
It just doesnt make sense, an outdoor grasscourt in winter? Its just strange, Ive never heard of it. I don't think the ITF could approve --it has to be an indoors thing. And an indoor grass court would just be stretching it --that would be ridiculous. If it gets cold in Australia as it does here in July then the australians are nuts.

What do the aussie fans here think?

To be fair, Australia is large. They can play in Darwin, :lol:, where it is surely not going to be cold, or they can play in Brisbane, where the winter is milder..

At the same time, didn't Argentina opt to play Russia on outdoors clay in Fed Cup in July last year when the girls had to play under near-freezing temperatures? So, I guess, as long as they want to do it, they can play even in Tasmania.. :lol:

undomiele
03-07-2005, 06:05 PM
To be fair, Australia is large. They can play in Darwin, :lol:, where it is surely not going to be cold, or they can play in Brisbane, where the winter is milder..

At the same time, didn't Argentina opt to play Russia on outdoors clay in Fed Cup in July last year when the girls had to play under near-freezing temperatures? So, I guess, as long as they want to do it, they can play even in Tasmania.. :lol:

Yeah but this is the men's tour so the rules might be different. As for the Fed Cup, which I didnt know about, everyone knows the Russians are used to the cold... ;) All that vodka in the blood! :lol:

ys
03-07-2005, 06:21 PM
Yeah but this is the men's tour so the rules might be different. As for the Fed Cup, which I didnt know about, everyone knows the Russians are used to the cold... ;) All that vodka in the blood! :lol:

That's why it was so silly from Argentinians. They got crushed by eventual champs..:banana:

undomiele
03-07-2005, 06:56 PM
Oh well, at least we'll always have our soccer. ;) And cows. And the vino. :lol:

jazz_girl
03-07-2005, 07:08 PM
Yeah but this is the men's tour so the rules might be different. As for the Fed Cup, which I didnt know about, everyone knows the Russians are used to the cold... ;) All that vodka in the blood! :lol:
Hey, I was there at the Fed Cup amd I was freezing! And the Russians were soooo cold that even Myskina played with pants and the rest of the girls were all covered with blankets!

Levo.
03-07-2005, 07:16 PM
Argentina should be favourites with the bookies. They've got Coria, Nalbandian, Canas, Chela etc to pick from. Australia has Hewitt in the sinlges and Woodbridge in the doubles. Even though Wayne Arthurs is on a hot streak ATM I can't see him winning a singles match against Coria, Nalbandian or Canas. But teamed with Woodbridge they can win the doubles.

So Hewitt will need to win 2 singles matches, and Woody/Wayneo to win the doubles.

I think Aussies will sneak through with the home court advantage 3-2.

Sommarsverige
03-07-2005, 07:59 PM
I voted for Argentina cos I am hoping that they will win.
I think they would definitely deserve to win the DC this year ;)

ally_014
03-07-2005, 10:08 PM
The weather is why they're playing in Sydney, in July it'll still be about 20C and Brisbane would be even warmer

holagirl56
03-07-2005, 11:07 PM
It depends. On clay, Argentina definitely. On a fast court, could go either way.

Nalbandian's definitely capable of winning on fast, as is Coria and Canas.
Gaudio is questionable.

But I'd place my money on the Argentines.

JeLuliA88
03-07-2005, 11:58 PM
There's plenty of time for argentina to practice on grass... and nalbandian is half decent on the surface. i say argentina unless they've got loads of injuries.

Action Jackson
03-08-2005, 01:25 AM
It'll be mid 20s or high teens in Sydney when they are playing, so weather won't be a problem.

In fact it was 13C when the Aussies played the Swiss in the semi final and on the first day it was outdoors and they closed the roof for the reverse singles.

Smankyou
03-08-2005, 01:55 AM
Ally and GWH are right. Sydney doesn't get that cold. The morning's are chilly but it warms up to be around 20C during the day.

Action Jackson
03-08-2005, 02:01 AM
The interesting point is.. I am not sure it is going to be on grass.. Remember, it is going to be a winter.. I think they might play on rebound ace, probably indoors..

Trolling again I see. If this is not on grass, then you like left handers.

Smankyou
03-08-2005, 02:03 AM
and nalbandian is half decent on the surface.
You might say that about a former Wimbledon finalist.

ys
03-08-2005, 04:26 AM
Trolling again I see. If this is not on grass, then you like left handers.

And who tf are you? :unsure:

Action Jackson
03-08-2005, 05:13 AM
And who tf are you? :unsure:

Stating the obvious lefty. I gave reasons as to why this match will be on grass and nothing else.

Lucas Arg
03-08-2005, 05:46 AM
There s no doubt it will be on grass. The Aussie captain said to the press they are studiyng how to make the faster grass court on earth.....



I hope Coria, Nalbandian, Cañas and Calleri are in a great form for that time, Cañas and Calleri are great servers and can play anyone on any surface. Gaudio is not counted as a chance to make the team, not on grass, he said it himself.

willie
03-08-2005, 02:57 PM
this season will be strange becuase all the argentines will play all the tournaments in grass.

ys
03-09-2005, 01:52 AM
Grass or not.. After Wimbledon and after everyone spent a month on grass the advantage will not be as big. And after all.. Hasn't Vilas once won AO .. on grass? :lol:

jazz_girl
03-09-2005, 09:11 AM
Grass or not.. After Wimbledon and after everyone spent a month on grass the advantage will not be as big. And after all.. Hasn't Vilas once won AO .. on grass? :lol:
No, but Nalbandian was a finalist...

Carolinita
03-09-2005, 01:04 PM
I hope Argentina give us a surprise!

Hendu
03-09-2005, 01:47 PM
Grass or not.. After Wimbledon and after everyone spent a month on grass the advantage will not be as big. And after all.. Hasn't Vilas once won AO .. on grass? :lol:

no, he did it twice (1978 and 1979) and also won the Masters of 1974 at the same place, Melbourne's Kooyong.

PaulieM
03-09-2005, 07:02 PM
on grass, then i guess australia but i want argentina to win

Micca
03-09-2005, 07:07 PM
VAMOS ARGENTINA! :woohoo:

jazz_girl
03-09-2005, 08:21 PM
I hope Argentina give us a surprise!
I hope so too! :)