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Does Roger Suffer...

Chloe le Bopper
11-16-2002, 03:40 PM
From "Jana Novotna" sydrome? :sad:

His latest match has me worried he may suffer from an almost incurable choking problem.

Hopefully he's just going to take a little while to mature his mental game, and this isn't the case...

Thoughts?

Experimentee
11-16-2002, 03:47 PM
The way he played his break points in the first set actually reminded me of Grosjean when he choked at the Australian, playing way too conservative and letting the other player dictate. He did that from when he was leading to the first few games of the second set. In the 3rd set he was better on the break points, playing aggressively but it was too late then. But he is still young, and has improved from the last few years, I think a couple of years ago he would have gone away after the first set but now he is fighting. He also needs to work on that backhand, it was horrible in this match.

Chloe le Bopper
11-16-2002, 03:58 PM
I didn't get to see the match, I only followed scores.

And that was my thought as well - that seeing him fight, right to the end was a BIG improvement.

From what I saw scorewise, it's still a match that he should have won IMO.

But the toughest mentally won, so what can you do.

Thanks for the input :)

TheBoiledEgg
11-16-2002, 04:52 PM
Roger fluffed so many chances and he was getting pushed around by Hewitt of all people :eek:

His FH was awful all thru match, and breaking back he kept losing his serve.

He choked pretty badly :(

Pea
11-16-2002, 09:55 PM
He does. ALL my favorite players do!:sad:

But after that match, there is NO DOUBT who the most talented player on ATP is!

ILR
11-16-2002, 10:00 PM
well his weakness is his mental fragility.But he does have the most talent.:) which is why I like him so much.:) I think sometimes his slice backhands worked well but sometimes he just threw away points by either dropping them short or hitting them out.His forehand wasnt firing, unusually. :( he made most of his UE's on FH.

martinatreue
11-16-2002, 10:51 PM
His backhand was not weak at all!!! And neither was his forehand. He was inconsistent at times but against Lleyton you have to really go for high risk shots and are challenged at all times. He used just about every kind of backhand imaginable today but he does need to work on the backhand passing shot and backhand lobs. But in general he played awesome and I do think he was mentally worn down at the end. Hewitt does that to you. :D

Jackie
11-17-2002, 05:35 AM
Federer didn't choke, Hewitt just played well...and he had to play well to win last night. I actually have TV coverage of this event for a change :)...and Federer was looking pretty good.

Dissident
11-17-2002, 09:07 AM
Maybe he was burned out after winning the three RR matches? It happened to Carlos as well. And it happened to Kafelnikov last year. And to Safin in 2000...

Or maybe he choked, yes... :(
It was a very strange match, indeed

Mrs. B
11-17-2002, 09:26 PM
Roger played so well those 3 RR matches and i was hoping that he'd play as good against Hewitt. But he was not on, he didn't serve well, he missed on his FH, when he sliced on his bh they were a bit short and Hewitt brings them back, Hewitt made errors too, but Roger couldn't capitalize on those break points, he double faulted, he never had these in those other matches...he did a Jana.
Technically he's brilliant, and he's got great hands, what he lacks is mental strength. If he had this, he'd win Slams...

Doris Loeffel
11-18-2002, 11:16 AM
That's really something Roger has to work on it. His mentall strength!! That absolut determined will to win no mather what. That's why LH is Nr. 1. (The same made Steffi winning all the time..) Lleyton's like a phanter out there running down every ball and still be able to bring them back pretty good and forcing his opponent to make errors couse they're surprised he brings the ball back....

So please Roger work on that. Show your determined will to win out there!! Try to look angry at your opponent. And please next time don't miss all your chances!! O.K. since I'm actually learning how to play tennis - it's easy to know better just from watching it - I know how little it needs to overpower a shot. But there were far to many just missing the line - and then you get overrulled on a pretty important point (yes the one in the first set who cost you the set) which actually just touched the line and was in grrrrrr .

The fighting spirit wasn't lacking otherwise you would have lost in two just that little last determination wasn't around. That hmmm how can I say showing confidence, knowing and showing you not only can win but will win even when beeing behind and O.K. maybe also a bit of luck. But with that determination LH show's on court you would not need to relate on luck. You would have served that first set home!! Or you would have used one of the breakballs in the 3rd especially at 4:3. And your shots on big points would have been winners...

Oh well it's over now and things won't turn around by lamenting over it.

Wish you an enjoyable holiday and a good preperation for the next season. And I'll keep the fingers crossed for you in the next season. And I hope you'll get that last little missing something on your menthal preperation. That's why I'm already looking forward to the next season and hopping for a sweet little revenge maybe already at the AO!!

Go for it Roger!!

As for he beeing like Jana well next year will show...

Beat
11-18-2002, 03:31 PM
well, what can i add? i just think it's getting better, actually. i'm pretty optimistic that roger will work out this part of the game as well.

Chloe le Bopper
11-18-2002, 04:12 PM
I don't doubt that he will overcome this with time.

He's still young, and a lot of men don't hit their peak untill their mid 20's.

I do believe he will win slams etc, and live up to his potential at some point.

He is just frusterating sometimes ;)

Chloe le Bopper
11-18-2002, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by untitled2284
Federer didn't choke, Hewitt just played well...and he had to play well to win last night. I actually have TV coverage of this event for a change :)...and Federer was looking pretty good.

I didn't get coverage of this match, I got the first semi final.

I DID follow scores, and saw how many set points he had in the first, which is what made me think this - not even based on this match, but based on a number of matches this year, and before.

I'm not insulting him - I'm merely questioning his main weakness, which I feel is appropriate.

I have tremendous respect for his game, I LOVE watching play, and often root for him. He makes my long list of favourites.

I don't get this concerned about players i'm not interested in.

Anyhow - are you willing to concede that ANYONE ever chokes against Hewitt? lol. Just wondering.

I'm willing to admit that sometimes people choke against my fave - for example, Gaudio FO 2002. :)

Just wanted to ask ;)

Pea
11-18-2002, 09:22 PM
Actually they both played great tennis, but on important points Lleyton just waited for Roger to make an unforced error.

Experimentee
11-19-2002, 12:08 PM
Maybe after that final match the question should be: Does Ferrero suffer from Jana-itis?

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 03:55 PM
I thought about it, and held back from creating the thread.

Tourmalante
07-05-2005, 08:59 PM
It is amazing how times change. Federer going from a flake to a Tier 1 player, and mental giant in the space of 2 and a half years. Drudging up old threads is always amusing. Now if only Marat could buck up as well, and fulfill his potential.

jazz_girl
07-05-2005, 09:04 PM
:lol: I love old threads! :lol:

lucashg
07-05-2005, 09:19 PM
:lol: I love old threads! :lol:

:lol: I love them too. Nice to see what happened when I wasn't following tennis and how things have progressed. Keep up bringing up the past, people! :p

Mrs. B
07-05-2005, 09:27 PM
:lol: 3 years ago his mind was not programmed to be a Ninja!

Lady
07-05-2005, 09:29 PM
I rwemember that match so well!
I was just so frustrated with Roger losing this match.
Was the scoline 7/5 5/7 7/5?
I remember Roger came back from behind to win the 2nd set, then was leading in the 3rd only to choke it away... Right?

But the match was incredible. Roger was my absolute #1 on ATP back then! :D

ClaycourtaZzZz.
07-05-2005, 09:29 PM
Fuck y'all, I got a shock for my life!!!! I thought it was about his final at wimby...??;) hahaha.... but then I saw the date and laughed about...:)
What a change!!

Mrs. B
07-05-2005, 09:32 PM
i think he had something like 23 break points and converted only 4! :lol:

Sjengster
07-05-2005, 09:32 PM
OK, just because I bumped up one thread about the depth in men's tennis for the next few years, it doesn't mean you have to do it for every thread from around that time. :p They do make interesting reading, I agree - just enter "The Beginning" at the bottom of the page and you can find every thread right back to the inception of ATPWorld. I believe the first one there is a thread praising Bjorkman for his great 2002.

Without wanting to get nostalgic, there were an awful lot of interesting discussions around back then that have vanished now to be replaced by endlessly circular "Roger/Rafa/Andy" debates.

Sjengster
07-05-2005, 09:36 PM
i think he had something like 23 break points and converted only 4! :lol:

5/21, if I remember correctly - I watched it again on DVD a couple of weeks ago just before Wimbledon started. At the time it was such an intensely frustrating experience, knowing that he wasn't far away from dominating Hewitt completely and breaking down his defences, but he couldn't put away the killer shot. It's staggering to think how anyone could blow 5 setpoints in one game, then 5 breakpoints two games after that, but somehow he managed it.

It's interesting to note how much weaker he was defensively back then, and far less consistent off the ground. Hewitt managed to force the play and run him around a lot from the back of the court, and he made a lot of return errors that you would never see from him nowadays. And of course the fitness let him down in the end.

Dirk
07-05-2005, 09:37 PM
Roger was a Ninja in training back then. He still had a warm heart on the court, now he is a cold blooded court killer. :) I love my Ninja. :hug:

Dirk
07-05-2005, 09:39 PM
This thread was great, this was way back when Becca used to like Roger. Now she has moved on to less successful men. :sad:

Mrs. B
07-05-2005, 09:41 PM
i remember taping that match but of course never watched it again, just too painful. taped something else over it. ah, seemed so long ago...

then there was that 5 setter DC match in Melbourne in 2003... :mad:

Sjengster
07-05-2005, 09:41 PM
This thread was great, this was way back when Becca used to like Roger. Now she has moved on to less successful men.

A sort of reverse gold-digger, if you will.

Mrs. B
07-05-2005, 09:43 PM
that was the last. he's won the last 8 matches against the Rösti! :lol:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
07-05-2005, 09:44 PM
Rösti? Hani grad gässe:D

robinhood
07-05-2005, 09:44 PM
What an amusing thread!

Sjengster
07-05-2005, 09:45 PM
i remember taping that match but of course never watched it again, just too painful. taped something else over it. ah, seemed so long ago...

then there was that 5 setter DC match in Melbourne in 2003... :mad:

Painful times, painful times (though I've still yet to see that DC match, I remember checking the result and thinking "Well, it is Hewitt in DC after all"; I'm going to get it soon). Chuck in all those feeble Slam defeats in the first round in 02 and to Nalbandian in 03, plus his nightmare performances on clay... These should never be forgotten, they're a perfect counter to people who say that all Federer fans are simply fans of a guy who wins a lot. After that AO defeat against Nalbandian I found myself wondering whether he would ever win so much as one Slam, so unlikely did it seem.

Dirk
07-05-2005, 09:48 PM
i remember taping that match but of course never watched it again, just too painful. taped something else over it. ah, seemed so long ago...

then there was that 5 setter DC match in Melbourne in 2003... :mad:

Please let's not think of such misery. :) Let's think of this WONDERFUL year so far for Roger. :)

Dirk
07-05-2005, 09:49 PM
A sort of reverse gold-digger, if you will.

Yeah now she digs for pennies and dimes. :rolleyes: Oh well she does have her sugar daddy Nadal to ride on.

ExpectedWinner
07-05-2005, 09:51 PM
. These should never be forgotten, they're a perfect counter to people who say that all Federer fans are simply fans of a guy who wins a lot.

Exactly. The guy paid his dues.

Dirk
07-05-2005, 09:52 PM
Painful times, painful times (though I've still yet to see that DC match, I remember checking the result and thinking "Well, it is Hewitt in DC after all"; I'm going to get it soon). Chuck in all those feeble Slam defeats in the first round in 02 and to Nalbandian in 03, plus his nightmare performances on clay... These should never be forgotten, they're a perfect counter to people who say that all Federer fans are simply fans of a guy who wins a lot. After that AO defeat against Nalbandian I found myself wondering whether he would ever win so much as one Slam, so unlikely did it seem.

I didn't panic. I knew Roger was going through growing pains and David did beat up on him a lot so at least he was consistent. :) I would not have been so sure about Roger's chances vs. Andre had he made that Oz final in 03 which I think he would have if he had won that 5th set against David. I don't think Roger was ready to take on Andre at that stage ( I keep having nightmares of 02 Miami final) but none of that matters now.

Sjengster
07-05-2005, 09:55 PM
Yeah now she digs for pennies and dimes. :rolleyes: Oh well she does have her sugar daddy Nadal to ride on.

You have a truly great insight into the workings of her mind.

Mrs. B
07-05-2005, 10:00 PM
Painful times, painful times (though I've still yet to see that DC match, I remember checking the result and thinking "Well, it is Hewitt in DC after all"; I'm going to get it soon). Chuck in all those feeble Slam defeats in the first round in 02 and to Nalbandian in 03, plus his nightmare performances on clay... These should never be forgotten, they're a perfect counter to people who say that all Federer fans are simply fans of a guy who wins a lot. After that AO defeat against Nalbandian I found myself wondering whether he would ever win so much as one Slam, so unlikely did it seem.

The true believers of the Fed knew it was really just a matter of time, even when he was losing first rounds then, which was quite frustrating for a fan. But the exquisite skills were always there. :cool:

i hated Nalby then for beating Roger too! :o but i'm now a secret admirer having seen a few of his matches live and he's just awesome. :hearts:

Dirk
07-05-2005, 10:01 PM
Even with her on ignore, I can still read her like a book. ;) Speaking of Ninja. I have a mission to write up. I am losing ideas, I mean how many times can he cleanse the Holyland...seriously. I even promised the fans in the forum a desert trilogy (doha, Dubai, IW). :bigcry:

Mrs. B
07-05-2005, 10:02 PM
Please let's not think of such misery. :) Let's think of this WONDERFUL year so far for Roger. :)

well, we could reminish on the whole LAST year! ;)

Dirk
07-05-2005, 10:03 PM
well, we could reminish on the whole LAST year! ;)

Oh hell even the memories of 03 are still heart-warming. :)

Sjengster
07-05-2005, 10:22 PM
The true believers of the Fed knew it was really just a matter of time, even when he was losing first rounds then, which was quite frustrating for a fan. But the exquisite skills were always there. :cool:

i hated Nalby then for beating Roger too! :o but i'm now a secret admirer having seen a few of his matches live and he's just awesome. :hearts:

Does that make me a non-believer then, as I doubted him severely at the time? It's just that he wouldn't have been the first highly talented player to underachieve badly and fail to realise his potential because of mental weaknesses. Nothing was guaranteed, especially after the loss to Horna at RG. Ha, I was so nervous about his first round at Wimbledon against Lee, and then he went and spoilt us all by doing something stupid like win Wimby...

My opinion of Naba has turned 180 degrees as well; it undoubtedly helps that I now know Federer is capable of beating him, but even so I started to appreciate his talent and ball-striking ability much more during the middle of last year. During 03 I thought he was quite a passive and defensive player, but his matches in Rome when he made the final won me over completely.

NYCtennisfan
07-05-2005, 10:24 PM
It was conceivable that Federer could break Hewitt in every service game that LH served. He just couldn't win the big points--he didn't have it in him. That's one of the reasons that I was shocked when he broke Sampras at the end of their match and beat him. My how times have changed. Federer recently mentioned that the DC heartbreak loss that he incurred was the point where he knew he could dominate Hewitt for 3 sets. He didn't close it out but he knew he could dominate and dominate he has.

Dirk
07-05-2005, 10:25 PM
Does that make me a non-believer then, as I doubted him severely at the time? It's just that he wouldn't have been the first highly talented player to underachieve badly and fail to realise his potential because of mental weaknesses. Nothing was guaranteed, especially after the loss to Horna at RG. Ha, I was so nervous about his first round at Wimbledon against Lee, and then he went and spoilt us all by doing something stupid like win Wimby...

My opinion of Naba has turned 180 degrees as well; it undoubtedly helps that I now know Federer is capable of beating him, but even so I started to appreciate his talent and ball-striking ability much more during the middle of last year. During 03 I thought he was quite a passive and defensive player, but his matches in Rome when he made the final won me over completely.

I am curious at what point in the event did you think Roger would win Wimbly that year in 03? For me it was after the Lopez match although I was worried about his back but that extra day off from the rain sure helped.

Sjengster
07-05-2005, 10:34 PM
I never thought at any stage that he had it in the bag, but I definitely saw the potential opening the moment Hewitt was upset in the first round, as that was his projected SF. The Lopez match was definitely a huge hurdle to overcome, when I turned over to that court and saw he was getting treatment for the back, I thought, how unfair is it that an injury means he once again loses out in the 4th round of a Slam when the draw gave him a great chance to go deep? I've said this before but just think, if Lopez had served out the opening set then Federer would probably have retired with his injury, he said so himself in the post-match interview.

He also got fortunate with the rain delay and the fact that Schalken too was injured. Who knows, if the two of them hadn't got an extra day off, would Roddick have got a walkover into the final after winning his QF match? I was looking forward to seeing my two favourite players on Centre Court, as per the original schedule, but in hindsight the fact that it was shoved out to Court 2 and became a rather low-key affair was a very good thing for Federer, since it took the pressure off him. I mean, he was playing for his first ever Slam SF, but it didn't show in the way he played, he dominated Schalken as he had done in all their other matches that year (though I am pleased to note that Schalken was the last man to break him in the tournament).

And of course the pressure was on for me as a viewer when it got to the SF stage, because I knew Federer was the heavy favourite with the winning record he had against Roddick. Thank goodness he showed why.

mitalidas
07-05-2005, 10:36 PM
And of course the pressure was on for me as a viewer when it got to the SF stage, because I knew Federer was the heavy favourite with the winning record he had against Roddick. Thank goodness he showed why.
Federer was given low odds to win that match
In a recent interview Federer said he was very surprised and wondered why with a 4 and 0 h2h he was still expected to lose that match

Dirk
07-05-2005, 10:40 PM
It would have been a terrible shame had Roger had to pull out. Then I would be worried if his nerves would lock up his back more in the future. He just focused his best on breaking Lopez and he did it and won that set and the match. I always wonder if he would have beaten Hewitt if they met there. I think Roger might have but with him being shaky with that injury it would be hard to tell. He would have been more alert than with Sjeng that is for sure. I didn't buy the media crap that Andy was the fave in the semi because he played bigger matches and Roger was too mentally weak to win. Roger's 3-0 record over him was not for nothing and he proved that. At the start of the event I was hoping for a qrt showing but Roger gave us much more. :) I think the Halle win did help him a lot in dealing with the pressure of going into Wimbledon and Andy getting so much of the spotlight. They didn't even notice Roger till the semi.

Sjengster
07-05-2005, 10:41 PM
3-0, but yes, he should have been considered the favourite and I think a lot of pundits were favouring Roddick because he had won the more high-profile warm-up event, forgetting that Federer had won in Halle as well. Roddick got all the show court assignments, Federer got Court 2 for three of his matches including the 4th round and QF... that's what made the eventual result all the sweeter. I'm sure that of the BBC pundits only JMac suggested that Federer should be considered a title contender, everyone else was too busy focusing on Roddick, Agassi and Henman.

Dirk
07-05-2005, 10:43 PM
Sjengster he did play his 2nd rd on Center court and his 3rd round with Fish which ESPN DIDN'T AIR!!!!!!!! :fiery: You are right hardly anyone was picking him. Newcombe said after his 2nd rd win that Roger would win and he said he picked Pete to win Wimbly ten years ago for the first time and everyone laughed at him but he was right then and he thought he would be right again. :hug: Cliff and Pat thought Roger would be dangerous but not the number one man to win it. Brad at that time said his stupid "Roger is all hype and no results" statement.

Dirk
07-05-2005, 10:45 PM
3-0, but yes, he should have been considered the favourite and I think a lot of pundits were favouring Roddick because he had won the more high-profile warm-up event, forgetting that Federer had won in Halle as well. Roddick got all the show court assignments, Federer got Court 2 for three of his matches including the 4th round and QF... that's what made the eventual result all the sweeter. I'm sure that of the BBC pundits only JMac suggested that Federer should be considered a title contender, everyone else was too busy focusing on Roddick, Agassi and Henman.

Especially since 2 of those wins were on indoors. That gives you a great indication on how things would likely go on grass.

Sjengster
07-05-2005, 10:49 PM
Yes, he did get Centre in the first week - I'm annoyed now that I didn't tape a couple of his early round matches (the Lee, Koubek and Lopez ones), but with interactive coverage I was always flicking between courts and to be honest, I was too nervous to follow his matches for long. Newk was interviewed on the BBC (perhaps it was the same interview you saw, I don't know) and I remember him picking Federer, Frew McMillan on BBC Radio also predicted he would take it. These greats of the game knew what they were talking about, but you could never be certain with Federer's mind at that stage.

In a way I can understand Gilbert's comments, he hadn't made a single Slam QF in exactly two years and there was a danger of him being a great underachiever. Pat Cash wrote a newspaper article in the first week saying he had to win a big one soon, or he would be remembered as one of the biggest underachievers. Good job Roger shut up him just in time. So yes, Brad's comments were understandable, but dangerous when he knew that Federer could be facing his man later in the tournament... and boy, did he live to regret them.

NYCtennisfan
07-05-2005, 10:50 PM
Federer was given low odds to win that match
In a recent interview Federer said he was very surprised and wondered why with a 4 and 0 h2h he was still expected to lose that match

It was because everyone was proclaiming Roddick to be the next big serving american to win the title, but he didn't have the SV game that Sampras had. Roddick was pretty much unbreakable and with that big serve, everyone was thinking, "This could be like Pete again." But Roddick is not Pete and the rest is history.

Dirk
07-05-2005, 10:53 PM
Yes, he did get Centre in the first week - I'm annoyed now that I didn't tape a couple of his early round matches (the Lee, Koubek and Lopez ones), but with interactive coverage I was always flicking between courts and to be honest, I was too nervous to follow his matches for long. Newk was interviewed on the BBC (perhaps it was the same interview you saw, I don't know) and I remember him picking Federer, Frew McMillan on BBC Radio also predicted he would take it. These greats of the game knew what they were talking about, but you could never be certain with Federer's mind at that stage.

In a way I can understand Gilbert's comments, he hadn't made a single Slam QF in exactly two years and there was a danger of him being a great underachiever. Pat Cash wrote a newspaper article in the first week saying he had to win a big one soon, or he would be remembered as one of the biggest underachievers. Good job Roger shut up him just in time. So yes, Brad's comments were understandable, but dangerous when he knew that Federer could be facing his man later in the tournament... and boy, did he live to regret them.

Brad was wrong to say that since Roger went into that event with 4 titles, one on each surface something only Pete did in 94. Now Roger has done that three years in a row but back to the topic; Andy did shit besides make the Oz semi and win Queens and St. Polten so Brad was way off considering Andy didn't even win a Masters event in his career at that time. I didn't like it and I think Roger got word of what Brad said especially since Fowler ratted him out on the air. :haha:

Mary said when she did that interview with Pete in early June that Pete said he thought Roger would win it. Mary was patting herself on the back about that one once Roger wasted Andy in the semis.

Sjengster
07-05-2005, 10:54 PM
Especially since 2 of those wins were on indoors. That gives you a great indication on how things would likely go on grass.

Yes, he had outplayed Roddick on fast surfaces before. I suppose they were discounted by some pundits because Federer had a big home advantage in those indoor matches, in back to back years in Basel. But hey, I saw their first ever meeting in the 01 QF, and it was quite a match - Roddick certainly wasn't done in by partisan support, he got off to the better start and after Federer failed to serve out the match in the third set, he had to come back from 3-5 down in the breaker to win it 7-5.

Just thinking about form in warm-up events and in Slams being very different, it's funny to realise that the player who was losing a set to Vicente on grass a couple of weeks beforehand was the same man who won his last two Wimbledon matches without dropping serve and outacing two of the biggest servers in the game.

Dirk
07-05-2005, 10:57 PM
He lost a set to Vicente in 03? I thought it was 04 that he lost a set to him in Halle? Roger does get shaky in early rounds sometimes.

Sjengster
07-05-2005, 10:59 PM
He lost a set to Vicente in 03? I thought it was 04 that he lost a set to him in Halle? Roger does get shaky in early rounds sometimes.

Yup. I remember this post from someone in the ATP forum on WTAWorld at the time: "He's losing to Vicente on grass? :rolleyes: " He also lost the first set to Youzhny and was three points from defeat in the second set TB, coming through these sorts of matches was obviously good preparation for Wimbledon.

Sjengster
07-05-2005, 11:03 PM
It was because everyone was proclaiming Roddick to be the next big serving american to win the title, but he didn't have the SV game that Sampras had. Roddick was pretty much unbreakable and with that big serve, everyone was thinking, "This could be like Pete again." But Roddick is not Pete and the rest is history.

That's what I was thinking at the time, that Roddick's serve was obviously a formidable weapon but that a really good grass-court player could find a way to return it consistently. I don't think his serve is as suited to grass as Sampras' was; he gets a lot of work and kick on the ball which is perfect for hardcourts, but Sampras had the slice that curled away from his opponent both out wide and down the T, as well as phenomenal accuracy. As a comparison, Federer has broken Roddick 12 times in the 10 sets they've played at Wimbledon - he broke Sampras just 3 times in 5 sets back in 2001, although he did manage it twice in one set as well as in the final game.

Dirk
07-05-2005, 11:03 PM
I think Halle this year was the toughest for him in terms of draw and lack of preparation. His mentality went a long way this year. I just hope he remembers that come RG time next year. Make the most of your time at RG because if you lose deep in the event you endanger your grass streak. Maybe that will keep him tactically intact on the clay.

Shabazza
07-05-2005, 11:19 PM
Please let's not think of such misery. :) Let's think of this WONDERFUL year so far for Roger. :)
yeah we've been through a lot in those times, we deserve that "our" guy is so successfull now :angel:

Raquel
07-05-2005, 11:54 PM
He makes my long list of favourites.


*dead*

:p

There's always a seat for you on the Federer Express, Rebecca :devil:

Doris Loeffel
07-05-2005, 11:57 PM
Well I'm sooooo glad Roger finally found that determined will to win!!! And that right in time. And yes I agree that the Lopez match in 03 was a key match!! Or better the injury he got as he had to deal with something else than just playing tennis. And therefore may have loosened up a bit.

What a change from that TMC match to today!!

Daniel
07-07-2005, 12:53 AM
:lol:

NYCtennisfan
07-07-2005, 04:09 AM
As a comparison, Federer has broken Roddick 12 times in the 10 sets they've played at Wimbledon - he broke Sampras just 3 times in 5 sets back in 2001, although he did manage it twice in one set as well as in the final game.

Federer is 10X the returner now compared to 2001. :) Federer is one of the few players to have any consistent success with Roddick's serve, probably the only one. Hewitt and Agassi have beaten him but have a hard time breaking him not counting the 2004 TMC SF between Roddick and Hewitt.

RogiFan88
07-07-2005, 04:36 AM
The true believers of the Fed knew it was really just a matter of time, even when he was losing first rounds then, which was quite frustrating for a fan. But the exquisite skills were always there. :cool:

i hated Nalby then for beating Roger too! :o but i'm now a secret admirer having seen a few of his matches live and he's just awesome. :hearts:

:p LOL Whenever I saw Rogi having to face Nalby, I cringed... [well, I did when he faced Gaston also] -- I knew that Rogi w be hard-pressed to beat the guy! But I know how good Nalby is [same w Gaston]... unfortunately the one live match of Nalby that I saw he lost playing rather badly... [lost to Youzhny no less]! I like watching both of those Argies construct points, esp on clay!

Nope, no bandwagoners we... we had to be so patient waiting for Rogi to mature into the player that he is now. He put us thru the mill, our Swissie. ;)

My WORST match was TO02 R1 Canas d Federer -- you don't know how tough it was to see Rogi lose... it was painful sitting there in the 42C heat, humidity and smog...

RogiFan88
07-07-2005, 04:39 AM
This thread was great, this was way back when Becca used to like Roger. Now she has moved on to less successful men. :sad:

you mean like Rafa? ;)

Gonzo Hates Me!
07-07-2005, 06:12 AM
It's so funny to think that the commentators used to say about Roger "will he ever win a slam" ... "will he ever get his head together and realize the amazing game he has" .... lol... I never thought of that. I mean, it's just unfathomable that there was ever a time when Roger gave people reason to think he would never win a slam because he had inconsistency

NYCtennisfan
07-07-2005, 06:28 AM
t's so funny to think that the commentators used to say about Roger "will he ever win a slam" ... "will he ever get his head together and realize the amazing game he has" .... lol... I never thought of that. I mean, it's just unfathomable that there was ever a time when Roger gave people reason to think he would never win a slam because he had inconsistency

Yes, it does seem strange. I remember feeling so frustrated in 2002 watching Federer's immense talent shine so brightly at times like when he went to Russia and beat the crap out of Safin and Kafelnikov on clay and then just not put it together losing in the first round at RG, Wimby, Toronto, Cincy, etc. Let's just say all that is far behind him now:)

oneandonlyhsn
07-07-2005, 06:42 AM
:haha: Oh this thread, the high blood pressure times good times.

I remember in 2001 when my favs were literally making me pull my hair out. Safin and Federer, I used to get so frustrated. One day Roger would play mindblowing tennis only to lose to a pathetic opponent the next round :mad:
Oh Roger :hug: , I remember the days when Gilbert called Roger an overhyped player, eat shit Brad :mad:

Now if only Safin would keep his head together I will be one extremely happy camper

bad gambler
07-07-2005, 06:45 AM
those were the days, when Hewitt dominated federer :sad:

Chloe le Bopper
07-08-2005, 05:14 AM
My opinion of Roger Federer has absolutely NEVER changed. Unfortunately, some people are totally unable to seperate my opinion of twat-fans from my opinion of the player. Next I guess I'll probably end up being a Rafa-HATA. Oh well :)

Well, okay he's not on my list of "favourites" anymore since I tend to go off people who hardly ever lose

Chloe le Bopper
07-08-2005, 05:17 AM
It is amazing how times change. Federer going from a flake to a Tier 1 player, and mental giant in the space of 2 and a half years. Drudging up old threads is always amusing. Now if only Marat could buck up as well, and fulfill his potential.

Justine did it in roughly the same time span too. :)

Chloe le Bopper
07-08-2005, 05:19 AM
You have a truly great insight into the workings of her mind.

He does, yes. Occasionally I have to check outside my window to make sure that isn't him in the bushes. One day I hope to find him :hearts:

Chloe le Bopper
07-08-2005, 05:21 AM
The true believers of the Fed knew it was really just a matter of time, :

I was a true believer of Fed! Take that, Chloe HATAs.

Chloe le Bopper
07-08-2005, 05:22 AM
Even with her on ignore, I can still read her like a book. ;)

What a sad, delusional little man. Somebody ought to dig up Rosie's number for you. I smell that match from thousands of miles away.

Corey Feldman
06-07-2006, 03:59 AM
*Bumpity* ;)

interesting read, especially the first few pages
:devil:

Corey Feldman
06-07-2006, 04:12 AM
Oh Roger :hug: , I remember the days when Gilbert called Roger an overhyped player, eat shit Brad :mad::lol:
now i remember why Brad always looked so crushed in the players box after Fed v Rod at Wimbledon 03 and 04 tee hee

jole
06-07-2006, 04:16 AM
What a sad, delusional little man. Somebody ought to dig up Rosie's number for you. I smell that match from thousands of miles away.

Don't hate, please. Real men live in the back of 84 Escorts. :)

Chloe le Bopper
06-07-2006, 04:27 AM
Man, is this thread ever old. Quick, somebody bump up my Sjeng Schalken ranking thread!

Sjengster
06-08-2006, 09:04 PM
Do it for my sake at least, I have a nasty feeling that the next time Schalken appears in the title of a GM thread it will be to announce his retirement.

Chloe le Bopper
06-08-2006, 09:23 PM
Do it for my sake at least, I have a nasty feeling that the next time Schalken appears in the title of a GM thread it will be to announce his retirement.
I shall look it up later this evening when I'm done work. if I recall, he was one or two decent results from the top ten at one point and I was just sayin :D :(

DDrago2
06-08-2006, 09:29 PM
So Chloe, it's YOU who was known as Rebecca when I first came to this place ( :smash: )
You know, you sounded like a much nicer person 4 years ago!
That's what this place does to you... :scared:
We should all run away while it's not too late :bolt:

Sjengster
06-08-2006, 10:37 PM
I shall look it up later this evening when I'm done work. if I recall, he was one or two decent results from the top ten at one point and I was just sayin :D :(

He reached 11 in the world in early May 2003, and I think may have reached the Top 10 had he made the final of Munich that week. He lost in the quarters to Kafelnikov, who had retired from doubles the previous evening with an injury and I thought wouldn't even play. It still hurts.

Chloe le Bopper
06-13-2006, 05:44 AM
So Chloe, it's YOU who was known as Rebecca when I first came to this place ( :smash: )
You know, you sounded like a much nicer person 4 years ago!
That's what this place does to you... :scared:
We should all run away while it's not too late :bolt:
4 years ago I probably still cared.