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Hewitt warns against Spanish collusion

vaiva
11-13-2002, 06:08 PM
From: eurosport.com

World number one Lleyton Hewitt has urged Spanish Davis Cup team mates Carlos Moya and Albert Costa not to collude in their Tennis Masters Cup clash on Friday. If French Open champion Costa beats Moya in straight sets in the final Red Group match, Hewitt will be out of the tournament he won last year.

Moya qualified for the semis with his win Wednesday over Hewitt.

"It would be bad for the game of tennis if there was anything between them," the Australian said after the match.

"Mathematically I still have a chance of winning the tournament and all I care about at the moment is the number one ranking."

If Hewitt reaches the final in the Chinese sea port he is certain to be crowned year-end world number one for the second successive year. However if he falls before the final and Andre Agassi wins the tournament the 32-year-old will pip him at the 11th hour.

Agassi lost to Jiri Novak earlier on Wednesday, however, greatly denting his confidence and his hopes of becoming the oldest player to finish the year in top spot.

Hewitt's eyes are still locked on the rankings as he prepares for his final group match against Russia's Marat Safin on Thursday. Safin beat him comprehensively in the final of the Paris Masters earlier this month.

The Russian has lost both of his group matches so far but Hewitt said: "My guess is as good as yours what the hell he is going to play like tomorrow so I have got to go out there and be mentally tough.

"The number one ranking comes into your mind going into a match tomorrow. Not too much the tournament, more so for me the number one ranking."

:rolleyes:

Scotso
11-13-2002, 06:26 PM
Why are you rolling your eyes? If Costa beats Moya here, we'll know it was fixed, that's for sure.

Nacho
11-13-2002, 07:10 PM
I agree with Vivalaseles. If he had won both matches he wouldn't worry about this.

If Costa is able to beat Safin and win a set over Lleyton I think he can also beat Carlos. He's not unbeatable as far as I know.

Besides Carlos have said he does not want to lose the match, because, although he's already in the SF, another win would give him more ranking points.

Angele
11-13-2002, 07:11 PM
Aren't you over reacting a little bit VivalaSeles? I understand that you hate Lleyton, ok fine, but what did he do so wrong this time?

He didn't say that Moya was going to let Costa win, he just said that it would be bad if he did... and you don't know the whole story unless you've read Lleyton's interview ( and if you have, would you kindly post it because the official site doesn't have it yet and i haven't been able to find, thanks). I'm pretty certain that Lleyton didn't out of the blue mention this thing about Carlos and Albert... I would suspect that the interviewer said something about Moya and Costa being friends or from the same country and asking if Lleyton thinks Moya would do something to help out Albert or something of that matter... .If that's not the case, I apologize but please, don't jump to any conclusions!

Chloe le Bopper
11-13-2002, 07:11 PM
Oh please.

I already talked about this in the other thread.

Here is what happened:

Marat was paid to loss to Moya and Costa. Moya losees to Costa on purpose. The Spaniards drugged Hewitt so he would play miserable and lose a set to Costa, and a match to Moya.

However I'm still lost as to how ferrero fits in :confused:

I might also add that Moya and Costa both won the French Open because their compatriots let them win those finals. Because you know, that's what Spaniards do.

Those Spaniards, always helping each other out.

Such good guys.


:rolleyes:

Chloe le Bopper
11-13-2002, 07:13 PM
He publically suggested that the two Spaniards might intentionally throw a match.

Please spare me the defense.

I would LOVE to see your reaction if someone suggested something about Hewitt throwing a match.

I WAS rooting for Hewitt to beat Marat - untill this.

Angele
11-13-2002, 07:19 PM
Well I know that article doesn't quote his whole interview because there's another article in the Lleyton forum where Lleyton goes on to say how much of a great guy Carlos is and how there's never been a problem between them or anything like that... I'm just saying that we don't know in which context this was said or anything like that and that it's probably better to wait and see the whole interview until y'all start bashing Lleyton!

Please spare me the defense.

I'm sure if ever a bunch of people were bashing Juan Carlos for something that could possibly be nothing, you wouldn't sit around and twidle your thumbs!

Lee
11-13-2002, 07:21 PM
Yeah! Since Fererro still has the chance to win FO in the next 10 years, he gave the crown to Costa as a wedding gift.

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2002, 07:22 PM
Hewitt has to worry about beating Marat tomorrow 1st

Go Marat, just win in two sets :)

Lee
11-13-2002, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by angele87
I'm just saying that we don't know in which context this was said or anything like that and that it's probably better to wait and see the whole interview until y'all start bashing Lleyton!



I agree his answer may be taken out of context but he should know better in giving an answer like this.

Chloe le Bopper
11-13-2002, 07:24 PM
I'm sure if ever a bunch of people were bashing Juan Carlos for something that could possibly be nothing, you wouldn't sit around and twidle your thumbs!

Actually, during the Rome tournament Ferrero uttered "discrimination towards the Spaniards" which was just about laughed and harrassed right off the old ATP forum in WTAWorld.

Too bad the old threads weren't there, where you could see me laughing and making reference to "sour grapes" :)

Chloe le Bopper
11-13-2002, 07:26 PM
By the way - I don't see much "bashing" going on here. Regardless of the context I don't think he has any right to suggest that.

It's totally unnecesary. I WAS rooting for him to make the semis, and now I could care less.

I support many Spaniards (see the flag), and don't like someone indicating something like this about them.

It's not fair.

This isn't "bashing" - it is analysing a comment, that he said.

Angele
11-13-2002, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by leecal


I agree his answer may be taken out of context but he should know better in giving an answer like this.

Well that depends... for all we know, Lleyton could of said "It would be bad for the game of tennis if there was anything between them" but they're both great guys and would never do something like that... that's the part we don't know... I'm not saying he did say that but before we see his interview, there's no way no know for sure :confused:

Angele
11-13-2002, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca


Actually, during the Rome tournament Ferrero uttered "discrimination towards the Spaniards" which was just about laughed and harrassed right off the old ATP forum in WTAWorld.

Too bad the old threads weren't there, where you could see me laughing and making reference to "sour grapes" :)

Not really the same situation but in any case, my mistake, I'm sorry, I shouldn't of accused you of anything!

Scotso
11-13-2002, 07:35 PM
Moya will heed the advice and Costa will lose.

Hewitt will win.

Then it won't matter.

Angele
11-13-2002, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca


This isn't "bashing" - it is analysing a comment, that he said.

Perhaps you should wait until you have the full comment to analyse it!

niratti
11-13-2002, 07:41 PM
Hewitt should shut up his mouth. It shows bad attitude he has toward other players. They have their pride, they won't do that. He won't be in the SF anyway because Safin will kick his ass out of the China!!!!

Chloe le Bopper
11-13-2002, 07:46 PM
I made up the conspiracy shot in response to a poster in the tournament forum.

I only applied it to what Hewitt said after that - in which case I merely repeated it.

I find it all very amusing.

Did I mention the part about the Spaniards paying Marat to whip out a can of whoop ass tomorrow? That part is essential.

It amazes me - three of them in the year end top ten, and not an ounce of talent among them - all just helping each other out, and paying people off.

So smart ;)

Angele
11-13-2002, 07:48 PM
I made up the conspiracy shot in response to a poster in the tournament forum.

Then what's it doing in here :confused:

Angele
11-13-2002, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by VivalaSeles
"I understand that you hate Lleyton"

Do you ? It's so funny how you can interpret my thoughts and discover my feelings better than I can :o



Ok so maybe it's extreme dislike and not hate but whatever, it's the same thing... and you clearly dislike Lleyton " One more reason I have to cheer Safin and hope Hewitt does not make it to the semis ... " "Return to Australia Lleyton " and bringing up the James Blake incident.... again!


Originally posted by VivalaSeles


What did he do wrong this time ?

So, easy. He suggested that Moya and Alberto could "intentionally throw a match" - as Rebecca so insightfully pointed out. Meaning: that Alberto and Carlos are the kind of people that can/may intentionally throw a match. For you, it seems, this is absolutely legitimate and shows no wrong. Ok. That's your opinion. Mine is absolutely different.

Again, he should play BETTER on court, instead of talking rubbish outside it.

He said that Moya and Albert could intentionally throw a match? i'm sorry, I must of missed that the first 10 then I read the article :o For me, I'll wait to see his whole quote to judge if this is wrong or not!

Tennis
11-13-2002, 08:51 PM
I am a Chinese. L. Hewitt's interview already on TMS Cup official site(Chinese). I would say his quote is totally twisted by the article that posted. The first question asked him like do you believe Moya and Costa will fix the match? and His answer is honest and genuine. He said he would never believe and said a lot of praise to Moya. If anyone know Chinese, you can go to the Chinese official wetsite to see it. Or wait for the English.

Murkofan
11-13-2002, 08:53 PM
Hewitt, Agassi, Safin lose at Tennis Masters Cup

November 13, 2002

SHANGHAI, China (Ticker) - The underdogs had their day at the Tennis Masters Cup.

The top three players in the world were upset in round-robin action Wednesday at the $3.75 million season-ending event.

In the Red Group, Spain's Carlos Moya defeated world No. 1 Lleyton Hewitt of Australia, 6-4, 7-5, after French Open champion Albert Costa of Spain topped third-ranked Marat Safin of Russia, 3-6, 6-4, 6-3.

In between, Jiri Novak of the Czech Republic rallied past No. 2 Andre Agassi, 7-5, 6-1, in a Gold Group matchup.

Moya beat Hewitt for the fourth straight time this year and advanced to 5-2 lifetime against the Australian. With a 2-0 record in the Red Group, he advanced to the semifinals.

"I beat the No. 1 player in the world, No. 3 in straight sets, both of them," Moya said. "So this is a very nice feeling."

"He's playing unbelievable tennis at the moment, as he's shown numerous times during the year, not only on clay, but also on hard court now as well," Hewitt said. "So, you know, it's definitely not bad loss losing to Carlos Moya."

The 26-year-old Spaniard reached the semifinals in his previous two appearances in the ATP's season-ending event. He lost a five-set final to countryman Alex Corretja in 1998 and was a semifinalist in 1997.

After finishing out of the top 10 each of the last three years, Moya has returned to the form that saw him win the 1998 French Open by claiming four titles this season.

"I think my level right now is very high," Moya said. "I cannot compare how it was in 1998 because it was four or five years ago, but I have been working very hard."

Making his Tennis Masters Cup debut, Novak beat Agassi for the first time in five encounters. He never had taken a set from the American before winning five straight games to win the opening set. The 27-year-old Czech claimed 11 of the last 12 games to move to the top of the Gold Group.

The two players were to have squared off in the final of the Tennis Masters Series in Madrid last month, but Novak defaulted the championship match because of a right groin injury sustained in the semifinals. It was Agassi's tour-leading fifth tournament victory of the year. Novak is the only player entered here without a title this season.

The losses by Hewitt and Agassi might affect the race to finish the year No. 1. With his round-robin victory over Costa on Tuesday, Hewitt took a 108-point lead over Agassi in the 2002 ATP Champions Race.

The 21-year-old Hewitt has led the race every week since July 8 after winning his first Wimbledon title. He has owned the No. 1 ranking on the ATP Entry System every week since November 19, 2001 after winning last year's Tennis Masters Cup title in Sydney.

In order to become the oldest year-end No. 1, the 32-year-old Agassi must win the title, with Hewitt losing in the semifinals with at least one group defeat. Agassi has upcoming matches against Roger Federer and Juan Carlos Ferrero while Hewitt next plays Safin.

"I tried my best and I was beaten," Agassi said. "I don't know about the (ranking) numbers or anything but it is not an easy turnaround for me to play a disappointing match, to lose a match and then come back and play the next day.

"I have always felt that once I lose, I deserve to be out of the tournament, so it is a difficult situation for me, but I will just have to see it as another opportunity, as another chance."

Costa won in 2 hours, 7 minutes to snap a six-match losing streak and claim his first win in three matches at the season-ending tournament. In 1998, he entered the event as an alternate for an injured Marcelo Rios and lost to Greg Rusedski and Corretja in the round robin.

"Sometimes matches can be decided in just a couple of points, and I fought and fought," said Costa, a claycourt specialist. "Fighting is easy for me. Maybe I am fresher than the other guys here. Not so confident, but more fresh because I have played fewer matches. I had a back injury and did not get wins indoors this season."

Costa next plays Moya. Hewitt was asked whether he thought Moya would help his friend in their match in order to help Costa move into the semifinals.

"I didn't even think of that," he said. "I hope not. You know, it would definitely ... be bad for the game of tennis, I think, if there was anything, and I know Carlos pretty well, and he's a great guy."

With two losses, Safin, the Australian Open runner-up, does not appear to be heading towards his second TMC semifinal. The 21-year-old Russian arrived in Shanghai fresh off his first title of the year at the TMS event in Paris two weeks ago but has been complaining of fatigue.

Even if he does not advance past the round-robin stage, Safin's season will extend two more weeks as Russia plays France in the Davis Cup final later this month.

"I should have won today. I lost my game completely and I couldn't get it back," he said. "Even with 16 aces, it was not good enough. You cannot have every day perfect in your life. It's like a normal person has bad days, good days. This week I had two bad days in a row."

Under the round-robin format, the eight players in the field are divided into two groups. Each player meets the other members of the group once, with those with the best records advancing to the semifinals.

A round-robin win is worth 20 ranking points and $120,000.

Angele
11-13-2002, 08:53 PM
Thanks a lot Tennis :kiss:

Static
11-13-2002, 08:55 PM
:D Ok that cheered me up a bit :) Lleyton your not a wanker because of what you said... your a wanker because you lost :p :o

Angele
11-13-2002, 08:55 PM
And thanks Marly :kiss:

Ma. Estefania
11-13-2002, 09:05 PM
However, I think that Hewitt should not worry about that stuff if he's really confident to advance to semis:rolleyes:
Anyway, I hope Marat can defeat him.:p

Murkofan
11-13-2002, 09:14 PM
It's been my experience that it's best to read several articles on any given match/incident, as reporters are always biased, regardless of their best intentions not to be. In this case, the Eurosport article was clearly biased. The author of that article took Lleyton's quote out of context entirely.

Angele
11-13-2002, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by VivalaSeles
Ok. Now, I have read the interview. The post above was written before having read the interview. Apogolies to Lleyton and his fans. Unfortunately, I was mislead by another biased and twisted article. Still, I will be cheering Marat and Moya. They are my faves no matter what.

See, I'm not so bad after all ;) :p And I'm sorry too for being a bit bitchy but it's just kind of upsetting when the whole story isn't printed and people jump to conclusions :mad: However, apology accepted and please accept mine as well... and next time, let's way for the whole story to comment shall we? ;) :kiss:

Lee
11-13-2002, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by Tennis
I am a Chinese. L. Hewitt's interview already on TMS Cup official site(Chinese). I would say his quote is totally twisted by the article that posted. The first question asked him like do you believe Moya and Costa will fix the match? and His answer is honest and genuine. He said he would never believe and said a lot of praise to Moya. If anyone know Chinese, you can go to the Chinese official wetsite to see it. Or wait for the English.

I read the interview from the Chinese site. I still want to reserve my conclusion until the English interview is out. The reason is I saw other interviews in both English and Chinese and found a lot were left out in the Chinese version.

Angele
11-13-2002, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by VivalaSeles
Apology accepted as well, angele87 :D I "boil" really quickly, but the storm goes away as quickly as it appears :D Indeed, I should have waited for the whole interview to come up, but - being a Moya fan - I was positively outraged while reading the article :o Hope I won't make the same mistake twice ;) And, finally, all is well :D Discussing is good, making up is better ;) :o :D

Thanks :kiss: And we seem alike, I can get very upset very quickly as well but it doesn't take much to calm me down, unless it's something serious ;) And I've learned as a Lleyton fan to wait a bit for the whole story because some journalists, like this one, are quick to try and make something out of nothing when Lleyton is concerned :mad: but anyway *sweeps this another the rug* How are you? :D

Lisbeth
11-13-2002, 09:47 PM
This is all a bit paranoid IF Lleyton thinks it, but I'm thinking someone put this to Lleyton rather than him coming up with it himself. Besides, Moya's a professional (as is Costa), I really don't see him ditching a match for any reason.

Jorge
11-14-2002, 01:37 AM
mmm The Potatoe first needs to beat Safin :rolleyes:

Jackie
11-14-2002, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by VivalaSeles
One more reason I have to cheer Safin and hope Hewitt does not make it to the semis ... GO MARAT, GO MOYA, GO COSTA ... Return to Australia Lleyton (you and your conspiracy theories ... as if the James Blake wasn't enough :( ).

[by the James Blake, I'm referring to those most awful words uttered by Lleyton during his match against Blake]

And Lleyton, if you HAD WON, you wouldn't have to worry about conspiracies. Next time, just PLAY BETTER.



Try reading the whole interview, rather than just what the media print before making accusations. Lleyton hadn't even thought of it until the media asked him about it...and just for the record, Hewitt and Blake seem to be pretty good mates now

martinatreue
11-14-2002, 01:50 AM
Lleyton is my fave and I just knew that this was somehow twisted. I was like there is no way he just came out and made those accusations for no reason.

The press are jerks for suggesting such a thing but I will say that the possibility of collusion is part of the weakness of a round robin format.

Nice answer to a stupid question, Lleyton. :hearts:

tennischick
11-14-2002, 02:09 AM
Hewitt and the media...never a dull moment...:eek:

Chloe le Bopper
11-14-2002, 08:46 AM
I still stick to my Spanish Conspiracy theory :D

I'll get back to you when I figure out Ferrero's role.

Angele - if you would have read the rest of the message, you would have seen why it was written in here as well :)

Now - it's nice to know Hewitt isn't a twat, but I still want Costa in the semis.

martinatreue
11-14-2002, 12:30 PM
Ferrero's role was beating Agassi today. I love you forever Ferrero. :hearts:

Chloe le Bopper
11-14-2002, 12:31 PM
Me too :hearts:

Murkofan
11-14-2002, 12:33 PM
Way to go Juanqui! :D :kiss:

Chloe le Bopper
11-14-2002, 12:42 PM
Wait - was Agassi paid? :o

;)

Lee
11-14-2002, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by leecal


I read the interview from the Chinese site. I still want to reserve my conclusion until the English interview is out. The reason is I saw other interviews in both English and Chinese and found a lot were left out in the Chinese version.

Finally able to read the interview in English and the Chinese version has about half of what was said.

Anyway, Hewitt is definitely wronged by the media. Next time, when those people complained about players not willing to give interview or not elaborating their answers, they have themselves to blame. If Hewitt finished his answer after the first sentence, nothing happened.

Jackie
11-15-2002, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by VivalaSeles
"Try reading the whole interview, rather than just what the media print before making accusations. Lleyton hadn't even thought of it until the media asked him about it..."

Dear untitled2284,

And you, please, try reading the whole thread before posting. I don't know if you noticed but I had apologized various posts earlier. So very nice of you to "beat" on a person who has already apologized.

And Hi angele :D
I didn't see your apology...so now it's my turn to apologise.
This thread is ridiculous. Can we just let it die?

Angele
11-15-2002, 10:28 AM
Thanks VivalaSeles :kiss: What's your name btw? I don't like calling people by their screen names :o

Experimentee
11-16-2002, 06:58 AM
Now Hewitt got the dumbass Australian commentators on to Moya! All through that match they were looking for signs that Moya must be throwing the match, whenever he made unforced errors they would be suspicious of him! Disgraceful!

Also they mentioned that Hewitt said "I played better against Moya than against Costa and still lost so you can figure out who's the better player out of those two" (not exact words)

Does it occur to him that maybe Costa played better against Safin and Moya than in his first match? :rolleyes: