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First Round Robin match....

Kat!
11-12-2002, 03:45 PM
........:(

anybody saw the match.?

I'm new here by the way....hello to everyone...!

ILR
11-12-2002, 05:42 PM
hello! :D :wavey: welcome

The best I got was highlights.:( I was at school :rolleyes: pffft

Vera
11-12-2002, 05:47 PM
Hi Kat:wavey:

Welcome! We've talked before. I emailed you once or twice before. Come chat with us sometimes.

I won't be seeing the match until later today. I donno if I want to watch it at this point, it's always tough to watch the match knowing that he lost:sad:

jcluvva
11-12-2002, 05:57 PM
Hi Kat

I saw the match JC didn't play that badly he just made a few mistakes at vital times:angel: He did look foxy in his new gear though.

Does anyone know whether he faces Novak or Agassi next?

VAMOS JUANQUI!!!!!!!!! :bounce: :bounce:

I know you can play better than you did today.

Chloe le Bopper
11-12-2002, 06:28 PM
lol well as long as he looked "foxy", lmao!

Welcome! Talk with us sometime, like vera said.

Do you run the ferrerochaser site, or are you just advertising it? If you do run it, it's pretty much my fave site for him now - great job :D If not....pass the message along ;)

RogiFan
11-12-2002, 07:00 PM
:) Welcome!

I think Juanqui plays Novak on Thu since Rogi plays AA. Hope they both win!! [Juanqui and Rogi, that is!]

Foxy eh? Must get some pix up somewhere to look at him! ;)

Did he look discouraged at all?? Pobrecito!

Dissident
11-12-2002, 09:26 PM
Hmm, I just got told Ferrero will face the loser of AA-Jiri. The winner gets Roger. ;)

I second that, Ferrero didnt play bad at all. But Federer was sharp! The power he had on every shot, and the intelligence with which he was playing were amazing.

Mrs. B
11-12-2002, 09:37 PM
I saw the whole match and i taped it too...

:)

Vera
11-12-2002, 10:09 PM
I just finished watching it on TV. I'm not upset now, I'm down right furious. So mad that my hands' shaking when I type this. Having PMac commenting on JC's match when he lost is just adding insult to injury. Apparently, Juanqui can't do no right. When he hit a winner, PMac didn't even make a noise most of the time, but when he hit an error, he's all over him: he's pressing, he's afraid of hitting this, he's no good at the net...So, maybe I'm biased and can't really take anything PMac said as not a direct critizicism of Juanqui's game. But if you never watch JC and Rogi plays, PMac will make you believe that JC is a nobody trying to play with the big boy. He said JC really is only good bcos he's hardworking (as compare to talent). I don't deny that Rogi is more talented of the 2, but...he just can't give JC any respect, can he?

He didn't really play that bad. But if you didn't watch and just listen to PMac, you wouldn't know. He just did really bad at big points though, letting opportunities slip, which is not very typical bcos he usually can raise his game on big points.

I'm sorry, but I must vent. Watching this is even more upsetting than watching his loss to AA in Madrid. I don't think I can ever get over this match now, the way he got stepped over by PMac. Maybe PMac is just doing this to annoy me.

TennisHack
11-12-2002, 10:30 PM
Maybe PMac is getting back at me for the story :o He sounds like an such an ass!! I forgot that he has this thing against Spaniards :mad:

I'm sorry he made you so angry :( :hug:

Vera
11-12-2002, 10:45 PM
Thanks for the hug, Hackie.

I'm sorry too, as if watching him lost is not bad enough.:sad: :sad: :sad: I just so very wish that he could beat AA, just so he can right the unjust, and keep PMac's month shut:fiery:

Leo7
11-13-2002, 02:48 AM
:sad: :sad: :sad: it was a sad day. if he loses another RR match, is he out? :(

well i agree that Ferrero's new outfit looks good on him. and i was gretting bored with the same thing.

TennisHack
11-13-2002, 03:02 AM
Leo, it would be best if he won both of his next matches, but another loss doesn't mean he's automatically out--after all, Agassihole & Novak could lose all three of their matches :D

Vera
11-13-2002, 04:44 AM
lol. Somebody has to win some match so the win column will add up to 6. Well, if JC only win one match, and Rogi wins all 3, then AA and Novak will have to both win only one. Then it will be tie-break which I believe the one who win the most set go first, then games, and then, I dunno, maybe head-to-head.

I won't be so optimistic that he'll still has chance if he lost the next one. His back's against the wall, so let's hope he regroups and gets the next 2. I must say that he got outplayed today. But he's not on the top of his game. He's not as patient as he usually is and the net game is more shakier than usually (well, I noticed that I'm repeating PMac, but the difference is, I think Juanqui are better than this, and PMac doesn't think he's in Rogi's league:rolleyes:. It could be my devoted faith:angel:, but I'm standing by it.

Anyway, he's not perfect, but I think correcting a net-game and a serve is much easier than correcting a brain cramp. :D

Kat!
11-13-2002, 05:27 AM
He still has a chance!!! Afterall last year he did lose the first match against Kafelnikov then won the next two against Kuerten & Ivanisevic..... just that now it would be a lot tougher since he has to win against Agassi & Novak........ :(

thanx for the welcome everyone (vera - that's right!! :D we did email a couple of times!) and also to Rebecca... the link below is my site - thanx for the kind word!

About PMac.. you are very unlucky Vera! Oh well.... it's like the commentators here... all they can say is good things about Hewitt hewitt & more hewitt..... and somehow it must be very hard for them to realise that not all Australians like Hewitt.....

Layla
11-13-2002, 09:26 AM
Hello Kat! :wavey:

Welcome. :) Your site is brilliant, it's one of my fave Juanqui sites. I hope you stick around and chat with us often. Our chat thread is called Max Mirnyi Forum Please for some reason. Just so you don't miss it. ;)

Vera, I'm sorry PMac upset you. :( Don't listen to him, he's an ass. Yeah, Juanqui wasn't playing badly, but he can do better than that and he will have to if he wants to beat Agassi.

RogiFan
11-13-2002, 11:52 AM
:) I think Juanqui hadn't played Rogi for 2 yrs so he wasn't used to him -- and vice versa. Rogi's such a different player for Juanqui and that's why some of his usual things didn't work but don't worry, Juanqui will win his next 2 matches!! He doesn't give up! ;) So VAMOS!!

jcluvva
11-13-2002, 06:20 PM
VAMOS JUANQUI!!!!!!!!!!you can do it.:bounce: :bounce:

Chloe le Bopper
11-13-2002, 07:04 PM
Remember last year he lost his first match to Kafelnikov then won the next two :)

And if not, he done good jsut to get here ;)

Vera
11-13-2002, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Hello Kat! :wavey:

Welcome. :) Your site is brilliant, it's one of my fave Juanqui sites. I hope you stick around and chat with us often. Our chat thread is called Max Mirnyi Forum Please for some reason. Just so you don't miss it. ;)

Vera, I'm sorry PMac upset you. :( Don't listen to him, he's an ass. Yeah, Juanqui wasn't playing badly, but he can do better than that and he will have to if he wants to beat Agassi.

Thanks, Layla:) . I'm not as upset now. Bcos I'm thinking that PMac is now having nightmare of AA's loss to Jiri:D That's his punishment for saying bad things about Juanqui. :D

And Kat, the chat thread now has a new name, Becca changes the name periodically. So just look for the one with the most posts. I don't think you see us very often bcos of the time difference. But hopefully, we'll get a chance to chat soon.:)

Vera
11-13-2002, 07:23 PM
Did you guys read the interview? The press seems to want to find him an excuse for losing the match, kept asking if sth in Shanghai that makes him uncomfy. Hey, they didn't know him too well. Juanqui don't look for excuses. He just said he didn't play well. Good for him. He's not going to give up on himself, that's for sure. I think he can beat AA tomorrow, I hope.

TennisHack
11-13-2002, 07:51 PM
November 12 2002

Juan Carlos Ferrero (lt. Federer 63 64)


QUESTION: What was the problem today? Was it the conditions of play or Federer's game or your game? What made the difference?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: I think the key was I did a lot of mistakes in the first set. Maybe I wanted to win very quickly the point, maybe with the second shot or maybe with the third, and I did a lot of mistakes and I think from the baseline, I could play with him very good, you know, we have like the same level, you know, the baseline, and I think I couldn't return very good his second serve in the whole match and I think was also the key and, you know, only was to break games in the first set and also in the second, I just had two break points in the match and normally I had more break points because I return very good and today wasn't it. So I think the key was this.

QUESTION: Was there anything that bothered you particularly with his second service or was it just that you didn't feel well about returning?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: I didn't feel well today because the other days I play the set and
I win the set and I practice very well playing so well and today I didn't return very well. Some days you play like this or you can't do anything. Also his second serve with a lot of spin and you never know what direction is going to be and is difficult to return his serve and I try but I didn't do well.

QUESTION: You're not performing as well as you could have. Is it because something about Shanghai you're not used to?
JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: No, no.


QUESTION: The life or the food or something?
JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: No, nothing happened like this. You know, I was trying to play my best game, but I couldn't do very well today -- just it. Not the food, nothing around this.

QUESTION: You lost two bags at the airport upon your arrival. Is it one of the reasons why is affecting your mind?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Of course not. I lose just one bag and, you know, the next day, I had it in the room. So that's not the problem.

QUESTION: I saw the whole game because I work for the media, the TPL department and like I really love the way you hit the ball, you hit so precious, I love tennis and you hit the ball in a really proper way, but I just got the feeling that your strategy, you the same one the whole game. You trying to play the same game. You didn't try to change it. I just get the feeling. Am I right?
JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: I was trying to play my best game, you know, I was trying to change something, you know, I was trying to return his second serve better and better, you know, improving, but I couldn't do very well, you
know, but I was trying the whole match, trying to play better and better and improving my game all the time, but, you know, some days you couldn't do.

QUESTION: Did you pay attention to the crowd? Did they react in the way you were surprised or not?
JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: No. The only I saw was in the court that some people is moving
when we are playing the point, between the point. But I think when pass of days, maybe is going to change something about this.

QUESTION: You notice that the crowd, the spectators were moving. Did it affect the way you play?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Not really. I was trying to be very concentrate, but, you know, when the people is moving, maybe you see something, but, you know, was not the key to lose the match.

Vera
11-13-2002, 08:05 PM
Haa, thanks Hackie:).

TennisHack
11-13-2002, 08:16 PM
QUESTION: You're not performing as well as you could have. Is it because something about Shanghai you're not used to?
JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: No, no.

QUESTION: The life or the food or something?
JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: No, nothing happened like this. You know, I was trying to play my best game, but I couldn't do very well today -- just it. Not the food, nothing around this.

QUESTION: You lost two bags at the airport upon your arrival. Is it one of the reasons why is affecting your mind?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Of course not. I lose just one bag and, you know, the next day, I had it in the room. So that's not the problem.

QUESTION: You notice that the crowd, the spectators were moving. Did it affect the way you play?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Not really. I was trying to be very concentrate, but, you know, when the people is moving, maybe you see something, but, you know, was not the key to lose the match.

GEEZ-US!! He said himself he didn't feel well, but it was one of those "what can you do?" type of days--we all have them!

But the reporters are cute for trying to persuade him of a reason :)


This is the kind of question I'd ask, probably :o:o:o
QUESTION: I saw the whole game because I work for the media, the TPL department and like I really love the way you hit the ball, you hit so precious, I love tennis and you hit the ball in a really proper way, but I just got the feeling that your strategy, you the same one the whole game. You trying to play the same game. You didn't try to change it. I just get the feeling. Am I right?

Vera
11-13-2002, 08:21 PM
Hehe, I do like this interview. Unlike some reporters who just try to look for sth to attack him, these reporters seem to want to make him not to feel so bad about the loss:angel:

I don't think the strategy is a problem, it's just the execution. If he played his BH better and cut down on UE, not to mention not DF on BP, then the result could be different.

Layla
11-13-2002, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack


This is the kind of question I'd ask, probably :o:o:o


I actually agree with that question. That was exactly what my commentators were saying, that he didn't have a plan B and kept playing the same way over and over, even when it wasn't working against Roger. It's not about trying to play better, it's about trying different tactics. I don't think Juanqui pays enough attention to things like tactics and strategy and I believe he it could really improve his game.

Vera
11-13-2002, 10:47 PM
Maybe.

I don't want to make it sound like he's a one trick pony. But I do sometimes wonder what kind of tactic that he can change into. You can only do best what you are good at. Like Alex was trying to change his game in Madrid against JC and he failed miserably. I just don't know what JC could do differently to beat Rogi that day. But then, I'm not really an expert, I guess Antonio should answer that.

I guess I was thinking that if you change your tactic in the midst of the match, you need to feel confident about the plan B in order to make it works. And he wasn't confident yesterday. There's one time he hit a beautiful cross court approach that cause Rogi to run to the corner and hit a short ball. He was right there at the net and the ball just come right into his racket above the net. And he still hesitated and double hit the ball before sending it over the net. That shows how confident he was at the moment.

That's just my observation though, so don't take it too seriously.:)

Leo7
11-13-2002, 11:05 PM
i'm not sure what Ferrero could have done differently to win this match. it seemed like Roger kept coming up with the big serves and winners on the important points, like the 2 break points Juanqui had in the 2nd. it's okay, cuz Ferrero will bounce back tomorrow against Agassi, who has seemed really annoyed and unfocused on court recently.

Vera
11-13-2002, 11:07 PM
You're right, Leo. Juanqui will come up with the goods tomorrow against AA. :bounce:

Kat!
11-14-2002, 03:26 AM
Hi layla ~~ thanx for the compliments! :D

finally i get to see the match tonight.... VAMOS!!!