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Paradorn's histrionics are worse than Roddick's!!

martinatreue
11-03-2002, 06:57 AM
He reminds me on Andy when Andy first started or even Lleyton or James Blake at their worst. Now I have seen more than one match where Paradorn is playing to the crowd, smiling this little arrogant smile every time he hits an ace or winner and disputing calls that were good today in Paris.

But what I really hate is how he goes out and bows to the audience on all four sides even when he LOSES! I know it's supposedly a part of his religion but I find it arrogant to do it in such an ostentatious way. If it's required in his religion then he could do it less ostentatiously when he LOSES. I think it's very distasteful. Only Jimmy Connors was more irritating than this!!! And it's a shame cuz at first I liked Paradorn but Paris crowds just bring out the worst in people cuz they were acting like they usually do. Lleyton was being a great sport applauding Paradorn's shots all the time but these fools are just so disrespectful to players. Luke Jensen was saying that Parisians will actually boo players every time they hit a ball during the warmup and then cheer for the opponent when they hit. :fiery: I hate these kind of crowds and I don't like the histrionics of Srichaphan cuz it's just a form of gamesmanship and a sign of arrogance. :rolleyes:

KayTang999
11-03-2002, 04:11 PM
Umm, he did it because he is THAI, I am Thai and that what we do to RESPECT people and thank them. It is not arrogant. He does it even though he lost that show a sportmanship. Unlike some other players who just walk out of the court when they lost without bowing at the crowd. Parisian are like that all the time, and I think that it's everywhere not just Paris, even in the US. The fact that they go for the underdog is just because that they want to see someone else dominate. It is not a one man's show. I don't know what your problem is with Paradorn but as far as I know, everyone on the tour likes him and they all say that he always smiles when he is down.

TheBoiledEgg
11-03-2002, 04:18 PM
the Paris crowd hates Hewitt and booed him alot yesterday
Paradorn thanked the crowd for cheering him on.

Jorge
11-03-2002, 04:19 PM
the ignorance about the strange cultures creates this kind of threads.:rolleyes:

The bows that paradorn does to the crowd actually are considered in the Thai culture as a sign of humility. martinatreue your thoughts are so wrong because you don't know anything about the Thai culture. actually the government of Thailand has decided to give him the diplomatic passport because they are pleased to see how paradorn is showing to the non-thai people the traditions of his culture and because he always shows respect to the crowd and the rival.
So first learn about the customs of Paradorn and later start a silly thread to bash him, but with real facts:rolleyes:

nickyrookie
11-03-2002, 04:23 PM
martinatreue, do you need any mental check? I don't think Paradorn is any arrogant. I might be wrong but instead, I think that Hewitt is the one who is the most arrogant on the tour. I don't like him that much because of his personality on the court (sorry to all fans of Hewitt but I don't really like him).

Also, Roddick and Blakes are all nice people to me.

vaiva
11-03-2002, 04:45 PM
I cannot find any signs of gamesmanship in Paradorn

I was lucky to meet people from similar ethnic backgrounds and from my experience I can tell: they are very sincere & respectful people. What might seem as histrionics to the people from western countries comes naturally to them. They are different but that just does not make them worse. And ignorance is no excuse

Ma. Estefania
11-03-2002, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by TheBoiledEgg
the Paris crowd hates Hewitt and booed him alot yesterday
Paradorn thanked the crowd for cheering him on.

Yes, I realized also that of the boos to Hewitt.....but anyway:rolleyes:
About Paradorn, I think that is very good that he clapped with his racquet even after he had lost ag. Hewitt....that's something even amazing to me, because if I were Paradorn, be sure that I wouldn't have had in that moment the "humour" to be sooo nice to clap.:o
So, well done Paradorn. I find him a very respectful player, that's why I like him, and he deserves all what he has received, even that of the passport given by the Thai government or something like that.;)

Lisbeth
11-03-2002, 09:35 PM
Hmmm, I think this might be just a culture clash thing because I really think he is a very decent person. I believe as others have said that bowing in Thailand (and other Asian cultures, such as Japan) is a gesture of humility rather than the "look at me, I did great" thing many Europeans attach to it.

But you're entitled to be annoyed by a player, as we all are (I used to hate the Williams' twirly dance thing, but it grew on me!!).

martinatreue
11-04-2002, 03:44 AM
Thanks guys! i feel better about him. I still think he played to the crowd knowing that they were really rude to Lleyton. I guess I was just upset because the French seem to hold grudges FOREVER against Lleyton and Martina? REGARDLESS of the changes in them as people. Lleyton has grown up a lot and Martina is like a totally different person than back in 1999. I also think the French crowds create situation in which tennis players behave badly because of the crowds behaviour and then hold them eternally responsible for it. Why don't they just behave respectfully like Scandinavian, Swiss and German crowds??? I was just irritated with Paradorn for playing up to the crowd. Sure you can profit from the crowd being against your opponent but I feel like playing to them to get them to cheer every one of your aces and winners is like rubbing salt into your opponent's wounds. But I will give him the benefit of the doubt and thank you to the Thai people for explaining to me why Thai people bow. It just doesn't look very solemn to me when he does it. It looks like it's designed to make the crowd love him. I guess I am being cynical. Maybe Lleyton should do like Agassi and give his kisses to the crowd. Nah, Lleyton would not be that phoney. Sorry for looking at things that way but I was really irritated with the French crowd and Paradorn was taking advantage of that situation. I know that some will say that that's just part of the game but I prefer that players do like Chrissie Evert did when crowds were hard on martina Navratilova- Chrissie was embarrassed and just looked the other way much like Kim Clijsters did when the Indian wells crowd was hard on Serena. It's part of having compassion for your opponent as a person. Sure, you want to beat them but that's a different story. I always DESPISED Jimmy Connors for doing these things to Johnny McEnroe.. Even though Johnny McEnroe did act up I thought Connors was shameless.

KayTang999
11-04-2002, 04:24 AM
I don't know if you did see the match between Paradorn Srichaphan and Greg Rusedski in US Open 2002 where he lost to Greg in the 5th set. He did exaclty the same thing he did when he lost to Lleyton.

Lisbeth
11-04-2002, 04:29 AM
I didn't see the match so I don't know about Paradorn's specific "antics".

But LOL, I agree with you that one thing Lleyton is certainly not is phony! You're not going to get him blowing kisses to anyone but Kim and his Mum any time soon.

marilag
11-04-2002, 09:10 AM
Martinatreue, I have news for you. It is you who comes off looking arrogant because you don't even extend foreigners the courtesy of withholding judgment over their behaviour until you have learned something about their cultural background. You are arrogant because you assume that everybody else should conform to YOUR own standards. Grow up, brat.

martinatreue
11-04-2002, 07:54 PM
sorry marilag. I was wrong about that. he still grates me though just like any other player who plays up to the crowd when they know that their opponent is being given a hard time. but I was wrong about the bowing. The crowd was very rude to Greg at the US Open too and Srichaphan played on it there too. :(

Mongkol
11-05-2002, 05:58 AM
Hello martinatreue, I got it from your posting that you have not followed all of Paradorn's matches lately as we did in Thailand.

Certainly you have not watched the Davis cup matches between Great Britain and Thailand in that took place in Birmingham a few months ago. The English crowd is more polite than the Parisians but they were not on Paradorn's side. Paradorn lossed to Tim Henman and I think Paradorn bowed to the crownd too.

Later in Tokyo when he lossed to Calsen and in Madrid when he lossed to Novak, he definitely bowed to the crownd which were very "neutral" in cheering both side. You can argue that Japanese are also Asian but Paradorn just knocked out Suzuki the home's favourite before.

Have you seen the final match in Stockholm? The crownd were full of Chileans who came to cheer Rios. (There are ~40,000 Chileans living in Sweden). OK paradorn took his second titles there. He still bowed to the crownd who were shouting "Rios!, Rios!" at the time he bowed.

Please don't be prejuded. This bowing to the crownd is commonly practice by Thai boxers. After the matches, both sides thank the crownd for watching them. Paradorn is also a good Thai boxer himself.

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Hey, I also like Andy Roddricks a lot. The match he exchanged aces with Paradorn and played till tie break is remarkable.

Relax!
It's just a game.
:bounce:

wasan
11-06-2002, 01:05 AM
mongkol, your are right.

Mongkol
11-06-2002, 02:09 AM
Thanks Wasan, I forgot to mention the Asian Games match before Paradorn flew to Madrid.

Paradorn defeated Lee Hyung-Taik to take the gold medal in Pusan. The Korean crowd were cheering their local hero and Paradorn also bowed to all four sides of the court.

Lovelychere
11-06-2002, 02:25 AM
I'm quite surprised that his sincere practice is regarded as Histrionic. What he does is something common here and he said that he just wants to thank the audiences so he bows to the crowd after the match regardless of the result. Any doubt?

Lee
11-06-2002, 04:24 AM
This thread reflects why we need to understand other cultures. But since there are so many different cultures all over the world, we may not know it all. Therefore, we should not judge other people (especially people from different culture) so harshly and should always look at things from a more positive side.

Let me give a very simple example and correct me if I'm wrong my Thai friends here. In Chinese culture, an adult rubbing a child's head with his/her hand is a way to show affection but it is a an very offensive gesture in Thai's.

Mongkol
11-06-2002, 05:09 AM
Hi leecal, thanks for your generous attitude. The world would be a better place with more guys like you.

I am Thai but my grand parents came from China. I also rub the head of my son and others children. It's not an offensive act but the Thai regard their head highly. You can rub the head of children you know and your close friends but not someone senior to you.

Lee
11-06-2002, 05:36 AM
Thanks Mongkol for your clarification.

callmynameoutlound
11-06-2002, 06:01 AM
I think you should learn about others culture. The way he did is our culture.

KayTang999
11-06-2002, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by martinatreue
sorry marilag. I was wrong about that. he still grates me though just like any other player who plays up to the crowd when they know that their opponent is being given a hard time. but I was wrong about the bowing. The crowd was very rude to Greg at the US Open too and Srichaphan played on it there too. :(

And you said that Parisians are rude, so does the US crowds. If I remember collectly, the match between James Blake and Lleyton Hewitt in US Open 2002 (not the controvesy one), the whole stadium yelled at Lleyton about the whole issue from their previous match in US Open 2001. They don' t even know the whole story and they already jump to the conclusion. Let me put it this way, everyone is rude! So don't pin point to specific group without looking at yourself first.

Jessy_ar
11-07-2002, 08:44 AM
Go Paradorn:bounce:

Nicky2002
11-08-2002, 05:47 AM
Excusme guys! What is wrong with Thai culture?

Change your mind and find how fool you are. Well educated person wouldn't say anything like this. They should ask and find out what he did mean first. Mention something bad first before you really know what it means doesn't seem to be nice at all.

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jirobkk
11-09-2002, 04:13 AM
Only one thing I can say is Please please Please understand our (Thai) culture.

We also do the same thing(wai = respect, thank you) to the other side of opponent when the match's finished and also bow to the chair ampire after the match.

"WAI" is our Thai gesture. We do this kind of gesture for greeting when we meet the people. Thai people bow "WAI" to their parent everyday before they leave home and come back home. We bow "WAI" and say "Sawaddee" to other people when we meet each other.

Paradorn do "WAI" just because he wants to "THANK" and "RESPECT" to the crowd. Please understand.

cong
11-11-2002, 04:57 PM
Thailand is just a small country. Not many people know about its deep aspect as culture. Though the Thai themselves sometimes have conflicts among different groups. That's normal, I supposed.
But well... sometimes it is a sensitive topic to discuss. :(

As 'nobody' from this small country, it is nice to know lots of people recognize the tennis player from Thailand as Paradorn. If he is able to keep his place in ATP rank in the next years, I'm sure you may see some more exotic manners from him. ;)

Please check this page to see more about his special gesture.
http://www.geocities.com/paradornmania/en/ebypath1_cul02-11-10.html

I hope you could learn more about Paradorn and Thailand there.