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The Official "Has Lleyton Gone Insane?" Thread

tennisfan16
01-31-2005, 07:26 PM
OK, everyone is going on about the whole Lleyton/Bec engagement thing and I know that there is a Lleyton and Bec thread, but I thought that that thread was more of a "Oh, that's sweet" type of thing, so I thought I'd start this thread to expound on whether or not Lley's gone totally insane!

Turkeyballs Paco
01-31-2005, 07:34 PM
Yeah, I already put my "oh, that's sweet" comment on that thread, so here's my "has he gone insane?" comment on this one... reading lots of other posts this morning about it and all I can say is, if he's been seeing Bec for a while longer than we think (ie since he was still engaged to Kim) then it makes a little more sense, but if he's just trying to get back at Kim, which I think it could be maybe, then yeah, he needs help. And poor Bec! to be caught in the middle of that.

They say he said somehting about not watching women's tennis the day before his proposal, and you have to wonder if maybe he was going to propose in front of the crowd if he had won it. That would truly have been insane. I know it's all speculation, but maybe this guy needs help, if any of this is true.

Or maybe he's just in love and everything's cool, but I don't know. I feel bad for him if he hasn't been able to deal with the break up and is hurting that much.

Snowflake
01-31-2005, 07:49 PM
Hey all!

My name's Sandra and I'm from Germany...
I've never posted here before but somehow I thought that this thread might be great to put my first post in.
I was reading this forum for quite a long time and now I'm in the mood to post something at least.

When I woke up this morning and read all this stuff about Lleyton's engagement, I was really shocked. I don't know what he is doing at the moment.
I mean, it's so weird wanting to marry someone after just 7 weeks (or perhaps 2 or 3 more). This can't be true love. I mean, he was in such a long relationship with Kim and I think their feelings for each other were so strong and these feelings don't go away from one day to the other.
He might be happy with Bec right at the moment but I guess this won't last that long. Somehow, I believe that he only realises what he might really need when he's back on the ATP Tour cause then he's alone a lot... I'm sure he needs someone supporting him and having someone around all the time and Bec won't be able to take that part over from Kim that easily. He just ignores that cause he's still in Australia and the "normal" tennis life hasn't started yet...

I guess, we have to wait and see what happens but I hope he has someone around him now that opens his eyes cause what he's doing right now is really insane. It's just not the "real" Lleyton any more, just nor the one we knew before...
Hopefully, he turns into the real Lleyton soon and doesn't make too much nonsense in the next 4 weeks or so...

Ok, that's enough for the first post...
I'm sure, I'll post more often now that the first one is done...

Bye...

Murkofan
01-31-2005, 07:56 PM
I only have one thing to say in response to the question in the thread title: Yes. Yes he has.

kim-fan
01-31-2005, 07:58 PM
why doesn't Hayden say something to him? or his parents?
why on earth would he want to marry so fast? what's the point?

Goonergal
01-31-2005, 08:04 PM
He might be happy with Bec right at the moment but I guess this won't last that long. Somehow, I believe that he only realises what he might really need when he's back on the ATP Tour cause then he's alone a lot... I'm sure he needs someone supporting him and having someone around all the time and Bec won't be able to take that part over from Kim that easily. He just ignores that cause he's still in Australia and the "normal" tennis life hasn't started yet...

Spot on. Things are hearts and flowers as they are both in OZ, but Lleyton barely spends anytime at home during the year. We'll see as the season progresses to see whether she will become a full time tennis g/f. I sincerly doubt it. *waits for the pressures of work excuse....*

:wavey: Sandra!

Murkofan
01-31-2005, 08:05 PM
:wavey: Sandra, welcome to the board! :D

Goonergal
01-31-2005, 08:06 PM
why doesn't Hayden say something to him? or his parents?
why on earth would he want to marry so fast? what's the point?
I don't think Lleyton is big on listening to others ;) He is a law unto himself.

kim-fan
01-31-2005, 08:09 PM
I don't think Lleyton is big on listening to others ;) He is a law unto himself.

yeah, I guess
but I still think that somebody has to tell him how insane this whole engagement thing is :help:


hey Sandra :wavey:

thelma
01-31-2005, 08:10 PM
Hey all!

My name's Sandra and I'm from Germany...
I've never posted here before but somehow I thought that this thread might be great to put my first post in.

Bye...

Welcome! :wavey:

and tennisfan16...

Yes, he has :p

sprinterluck
01-31-2005, 09:29 PM
To answer the question: YES! :o
It's not just his recent engagement, but the way he played that AO final. :o He had his chances in the third set, but like Safin said below, his spark just started to flicker and blow out and he seemed to stop believing. It's so uncharacteristic of him to melt down. Starkly different from the Lleyton who came down from 2 sets to love, 3-5 in the 3rd set to beat Federer in the DC semis.
Maybe the pressure has gone to his head. He played like a man scared to lose. He took an utterly disappointing loss in the finals, then suddenly proposes after the match? :rolleyes: Just because you suffer a string of major career disappointments doesn't mean you need to go off and propose to make life better.
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Safin felt Hewitt's determination wavered over the final two sets.

"He was there. He was running. But to be honest, I think he little bit run out of gas," Safin said.

"At the end, you know, he saw his opportunity, but then something went when I got the break in the third set, he just something happened inside of him that he didn't believe anymore that he can win that match, and he start to miss.

"He was missing the extra step that normally he makes with the passing shots, with everything, anticipation, all these things, with the lobs, just everything, just an extra step. I could feel it.

"Then the fourth set, I think he just he couldn't he couldn't handle it."

Jess
01-31-2005, 10:07 PM
In his defence:

I don't think you can blame his final performance on the engagement - I suspect it was coming regardless. I also think he did all he could to win the game. He didn't play badly and the guy must have been knackered - you stand there in the fourth set with a guy firing aces at you, knowing it's the match you want to win more than any other and knowing you just can't - I think anyone would be a bit gutted. And he'd spent about 18 hours or something ridiculous on court. Anyone would have been exhausted.

As for Bec - if (and I think this is a big if) she's not pregnant and doesn't become a full time tennis g/f it might just die a death when they're not together all the time. Pressures of work and all that might make them realise it's not practical and they will drift apart.

But if she is pregnant, or does become a full time tennis girlfriend, or he comes back to Australia more - you never know. Maybe just maybe it'll work out for them. Although it's only been eight weeks - and is very sudden - and hasn't really been tested properly - he does look happier than he has been in a long time. You never know, it might just become a gamble that pays off.

Aside from that though - I do not get the sudden media-whore personality. That's the bit I find more odd because that is the bit that is so vastly different to what he was like before.

Yasmine
01-31-2005, 10:10 PM
:wavey: Sandra, good to see you posting here!
And as most people here, I agree that Lleyton has gone insane, wth was he thinking?
i don't believe he has been seeing bec when he was still engaged with kim but if he's trying to get back at her then that's pathetic. He was supposed to get married in not even a week! He must have been hurt by the break up with kim but man grow up!

Jess
01-31-2005, 10:13 PM
I think it's odd getting engaged this soon for a lot of reasons. But I really don't think doing it with the deliberate aim of getting back at Kim is one of them. If it is then he's not anything like the guy I thought he was (believe me that image is changing all the time though). Not only would that be quite screwed up it's also really out of order to Bec, who however you look at it - he must care about a lot.

KaseyL
01-31-2005, 10:31 PM
:spit: :bolt: :unsure:

OMG I didn't know yet (had not time to read about tennis and all today)

I'd say we can call him officially -> :banana:s if you ask me...
Totally and utterly :banana:s

I think he lost it after being dumped by Kim. What the h*** is he thinking? :awww: :tape: Is he still thinking? :scratch:

blosson
01-31-2005, 10:32 PM
some people are engaged for years. they might not get hitched so soon and wait a few years before saying 'i do'.

as for the tittle question, yes he is bonkers!

Jess
01-31-2005, 10:32 PM
Yes - it did come as quite a shock!

tennnisgirl7
01-31-2005, 10:39 PM
All I have so say is Last night i was fliping the channels on my tv and i happen to land on ESPN and I caught them say someone had proposed in Australia And I was like I bet it was lleyton "Im good at guessing" so now I know its true Im still in shock I mean it seems he just broke up with Kim "sniffles" well just thought i would share that with you all.

dagmar7
01-31-2005, 10:47 PM
Sprinterluck, I appreciate a far-fetched theory as much, or more, than anyone but....

:scratch:

If being "afraid to lose" is a sign of mental derangement then 98% of the tour could be declared insane at any given time and Kim Clijsters and Tim Henman could be given adjacent rooms in Ward I. In real life, however, I don't think they are even particularly neurotic, so tennis isn't the best index of emotional health.

Lleyton's always had a difficult time at the Open. This year he competed far better than at any previous open; again, according to your logic, he is enjoying better mental health than ever before.

Give Safin some credit. Lleyton seemed to lose heart in the fourth, but Marat Safin really brought it. The third time for him proved to be the charm.

dagmar7
01-31-2005, 10:53 PM
To answer the question, I think he's a little unstable...yes.

But that's always been my impression. I just think this is a fresh manifestation.

Gak, I hope he doesn't read these boards. :o

I don't know why this is a cause for bashing though - he seems like a confused personality who, despite his difficulties, has accomplished a tremendous amount. I've rarely been so impressed with a player as I was during this year's Open. He hated the surface, which was slow; his movement didn't seem 100%; he played some great players - the end result was compelling tennis.

If he's troubled, then I sympathize with him; it doesn't make me want to bash him.

Standing by Lleyton, crazy or otherwise. :devil:

Lisbeth
01-31-2005, 11:00 PM
I don't think Lleyton is big on listening to others ;) He is a law unto himself.

I'm not sure I agree with that. He certainly listens to others about his tennis - why else travel with such a huge entourage and avail himself of the services of the Davis Cup captain? (Never seen Wally in Flip's box ;) )

As to his personal life, that might be different ;)

Yasmine
01-31-2005, 11:02 PM
If he's troubled, then I sympathize with him; it doesn't make me want to bash him.

Standing by Lleyton, crazy or otherwise. :devil:
Who said we wouldn't stand by him anymore. I think it's a mad and stupid thing to do but I still will cheer for him even more (that is if it's possible:p).

dagmar7
01-31-2005, 11:06 PM
I know you will, yasmine. :kiss:

I just thought I'd take a stand, even if it is against imaginary foes.

*swings at a windmill*

Lisbeth
01-31-2005, 11:13 PM
My view, in short, is that he is quite possibly not thinking straight. On the other hand, it's possible that this really is just one of those matches where the couple knows from day one. She seems like a lovely person and I wish them both happiness, whether that's with this marriage proceeding or through realising it was a mistake in time.

Also, there's no reason they can't stay engaged for a year or more. If they got married next week, my answer to this thread would probably be "yes" ;)

BTW, I severely doubt someone with a pathological fear of losing could have gritted out Lleyton's matches against Blake, Nadal, Nalbandian or even Roddick. Frankly I would be stunned if there is any player out there who wouldn't have felt pressure in Lleyton's position in that final but to say he's mentally unstable because of that is in my view simply unfair.

Turkeyballs Paco
01-31-2005, 11:15 PM
Yeah, I'll stand behind our crazy little Lleyton, too! Maybe he's just crazy in love or maybe he's just plumb crazy, but he's still my favorite tennis player, so that still stands. I like Marat too, and he has displayed some unstable characteristics, so maybe I'm just drawn to the crazy ones.

panda7
01-31-2005, 11:37 PM
I think I have been through the entire gamut of emotions since finding out about the new engagement, which is pretty much everything that everyone else is experiencing (shock, horror, surprise). All that has settled now and all I am is highly amused.

I think Lleyton is living his very own soap opera. It has everything that a soap has, romance, drama, melo drama, ex lovers, potentially interfering in-laws, controversy etc.

Another poster was wondering whether Bec would quit her acting career and follow Lleyton around the world - well, I am wondering if Lleyton is not thinking of cutting back on this pro tennis career and joining 'Home and Away' as a new character. I can just see the show's writers feverishly creating the role of the resident coaching tennis pro, i.e. Lleyton. Of course he would be involved with all the young and not so young but lonely females on the show, while allowing him to strut around without a shirt on at all times. They could even write the part allowing him to leave the show to play the grand slams and Davis Cup and make it part of his characters storyline. The possibilities are endless...

Lisbeth
01-31-2005, 11:45 PM
:haha: Panda, that's the best theory so far ;)

Socket
01-31-2005, 11:50 PM
Well, after getting a good night's sleep, I've decided that I'm not going to figure out the "why" of this engagement, so I'll just wish Lleyton and Bec the best of luck and all happiness for their future. I hope the two of them have a wonderful, long marriage that brings them both much joy. :kiss:

jeanie_sin
02-01-2005, 12:08 AM
Hi people :wavey: i dont post here, but i thought i would like to share my thoughts

yes, i do think he hsa gone insane.
i dont think lleyton has come to a closure regarding his relationship with kim. his life's been such a whirlwind since then, i dont think he's even taken the time to sit down and reflect on what went wrong between him and kim.

the main thing here is not the quickness of the engagement, but the closeness of it to their previous relationships. given how emotionally involved and devoted lleyton was to kim for 5 long years, has he really pulled himself out of it totally? i do think there's a little bit of getting back at kim here, considering all the actions (re:boat) he's done in the past 2 months

he's in australia now, obviously one would see a happier and more relaxed lleyton. but when he goes on the tour for 9 months a year, its a totally different story. that's when i think the true test between him and bec will come. it will be akin to a long distance relationship. i actually think that he and kim, despite being of different nationalities, have it easier when on tour, because they obviously have the same schedule and work habits and stuff like that. how will they maintain their relationship when he is on the road and she is in australia acting? lleyton is so vulnerable and emotionally dependent he would most def need someone bu his side when he's overseas. that's what kim has done over the years.

when his relationhip with kim has been so intense for such a long time, there is a huge void in him that needs to be filled. bec comes around, and then he thinks she's the one.

whatever happens to them remains to be seen, but i'm not hopeful

dagmar7
02-01-2005, 12:15 AM
He managed okay at the Master's in Houston. He has Roger Rasheed, whom he loves - hey, he said so himself. He seems actually to be enjoying the tour a bit more these days. 2003 really was a burnout year for him.

Ll and Bec have the long distance issue, but at least they won't have to worry about which nationality to raise their children as, or which country to live in for that matter.

I sort of got the feeling that Kim wasn't as keen on relocating to Australia after retirement as was generally assumed: building a large house in Bree sort of signalled that imo.

Edit: Thanks for posting though, Jeanie Sin. Sorry about my manners...welcome.:)

star
02-01-2005, 12:34 AM
Oh, I think just like anyone he might think... "screw you" about Kim from time to time, but he really does seem very happy so I doubt that this is simply to get back at Kim anymore than her dating a tall man who is a model have anything to do with getting back at Lleyton.

thelma
02-01-2005, 12:39 AM
I think Lleyton is living his very own soap opera. It has everything that a soap has, romance, drama, melo drama, ex lovers, potentially interfering in-laws, controversy etc.
..

:lol: :yeah: ;)

Murkofan
02-01-2005, 01:52 AM
I'd say we can call him officially -> :banana:s if you ask me...

Totally and utterly :banana:s

:haha: :haha:

I think he lost it after being dumped by Kim. What the h*** is he thinking? :awww: :tape: Is he still thinking? :scratch:

No :p

Socket
02-01-2005, 01:54 AM
You know, after looking at your avatar, I've decided that Mr. Justine is pretty than she is.

Murkofan
02-01-2005, 01:55 AM
I know you will, yasmine. :kiss:

I just thought I'd take a stand, even if it is against imaginary foes.

*swings at a windmill*

*snort*

Murkofan
02-01-2005, 01:55 AM
You know, after looking at your avatar, I've decided that Mr. Justine is pretty than she is.

Not difficult :p

sprinterluck
02-01-2005, 01:57 AM
If being "afraid to lose" is a sign of mental derangement then 98% of the tour could be declared insane at any given time and Kim Clijsters and Tim Henman could be given adjacent rooms in Ward I. In real life, however, I don't think they are even particularly neurotic, so tennis isn't the best index of emotional health.
Give Safin some credit. Lleyton seemed to lose heart in the fourth, but Marat Safin really brought it. The third time for him proved to be the charm.

Either you play to win or play not to lose. Lleyton played not to lose while Marat played to win. Lleyton was actually up a break 4-2 in the third set.
After Lleyton's footfault in which he lost focus, Marat creeped back in and broke Lleyton, then held for 4-4. At that point the third set was a toss-up and the Lleyton I remember would've been more aggressive, at that key stage in the match, but losing that break to Safin ended up deflating him and he reverted back to being defensive. Even Safin said that Lleyton went away after that crucial third set break and didn't seem to believe anymore. I am not used to seeing Lleyton get so down on himself. He's usually got more fight in him.
I still think Lleyton had a meltdown there and it's pertinent to the question : "Has he gone insane?"

Murkofan
02-01-2005, 02:05 AM
Sometimes I can't tell the difference between his normal counterpunching play and his overly-defensive play :p He's a lot better than he was in '03, though :o

But still loco :p

sprinterluck
02-01-2005, 02:15 AM
Still no quotes from the Hewitt parents. I wonder what Glynn and Chezza really think :confused: and if they've even had enough time to get acquainted with Bec to form an opinion. When Kim & Lleyton got engaged Glynn had an official quote, but now it's all silence.

Socket
02-01-2005, 02:16 AM
Sometimes I can't tell the difference between his normal counterpunching play and his overly-defensive play :p He's a lot better than he was in '03, though :o

But still loco :p
Sometimes, when I think he should be playing more offensively, I can't tell how low the ball is off the ground. The TV angles make it almost impossible to see that. Lleyton tends to wait for a really good opportunity to switch from defense to offense, and with his low UEs and very consistent bread-and-butter shots, he's right to do so. Players whose groundies aren't so consistent or who are slower movers on the court (Roddick, J. Johansson) tend to play more offensively by necessity.

If you still have the tape of Lleyton playing Roddick, just look at how differently their feet move during a rally. Lleyton is always moving, re-positioning himself on the court with quick, small steps. Andy stands still much more, taking fewer, larger steps to get to the ball. It's a real study in contrast. Lleyton's quickness is why he can be so successful playing defensively.

Jackie
02-01-2005, 02:23 AM
The engagement, regardless of why he proposed is TOTALLY INSANE. I just hope he comes to his senses before he is stuck with a bimbo soap star who he never sees and barely knows...having said that, I'm still looking forward to the Davis Cup tie

virgil23
02-01-2005, 02:24 AM
Did Marat say Lleyton stopped believing he could win or did he just say he seemed tired. I'm really asking because I could swear he just alluded to Lleyton looking tired by the third set and that he wasn't moving as well as he usually does. That said, I completely agreed with him. I watched the match and I honestly didnot get the impression that Lleyton "lost belief in his ability to win it". Instead he seemed like a guy who had hit a wall.

Look the fact is Lleyton is not superhuman (I know that's hard to believe when you look at some of the amazing wins he's had); quite far from it. This was a guy who barely two years ago was getting sick with no one able to say what was wrong with him. My point is yes he has heart and that is amazing, but heart can only take you so far and that's what happened to Lleyton in the final.

The heart was willing but sadly the body wasn't. Don't get me wrong, he obviously wasn't falling over tired but it was clear he seemed a step or two slower. It was the kind of exhausted that Juan Carlos looked like in his U.S. Open final against Andy Roddick. I really don't think anything off-court had anything to do with what happened in that match. Lleyton has shown MANY times that outside distractions and issues has little to do with his performance on the court.

Now as for the whole "proposal" issue; no comment.

Murkofan
02-01-2005, 02:25 AM
Are you looking forward to the continual cuts to the audience to see her confused expression? :p

Socket
02-01-2005, 02:31 AM
Here's Safin's Q&A from his post-match interview:

Q. You played Lleyton 10 times before. Has he ever retrieved as well as he did tonight? He was running all over town to get balls.
MARAT SAFIN: He was there. He was there. He was running. But to be honest, I think he little bit run out of gas today. At the end, you know, he saw his opportunity, but then something went when I got the break in the third set, he just something happened inside of him that he didn't believe anymore that he can win that match, and he start to miss. I really felt that he's not as fast as he could be.
Just he couldn't you feeling these things, you know. Like when you play against him, he's just everywhere. And today he was missing the extra step that normally he makes with the passing shots, with everything, anticipation, all these things, with the lobs, just everything, just an extra step. I could feel it.
And then the fourth set, I think he just he couldn't he couldn't handle it, I think.

I think Lleyton was both mentally and physically tired, but I don't think it was a meltdown or anything very dramatic like that.

Murkofan
02-01-2005, 02:32 AM
Now as for the whole "proposal" issue; no comment.

Oh come on, tell us how you feel :p

virgil23
02-01-2005, 02:38 AM
Oh come on, tell us how you feel :p

No thank you; besides you know how I feel. :p I'm taking the silent observer approach on this one.


Oh thanks for the quote from Marat's interview but I simply disagree. I wholeheartedly think he was exhausted; as Socket said both physically and a little mentally but it wasn't in the sense that he stopped believing in himself.

Murkofan
02-01-2005, 02:40 AM
Yes I do, but the rest of the good people want to know :p Come onnnnnn :p

Socket
02-01-2005, 02:42 AM
It was pretty clear to me that Lleyton was not able to read Safin's serve during the latter stages of the match, and really affected his ability to return it. Compare that to how much better he got at reading Roddick's serve during the SF. I'm sure that fatigue played a role in that, and physical fatigue creates mental fatigue. In the SF, Roddick's aces and SWs went down throughout the match. In the final, Safin's aces and SWs went up throughout the match.

Murkofan
02-01-2005, 02:44 AM
We have to take into account the fact that Safin started out playing like ass. It would've been hard for his level to go down.

ally_014
02-01-2005, 03:55 AM
Maybe he has gone insane, but it might not necessarily be bad. I just can’t bring myself to discount the possibility that they really are in love and is just ‘meant to be’. I reckon the true test will be when he has to go overseas for months at a time, but maybe he’ll just come home more often? I don’t reckon that it’s really got anything to do with getting back at Kim; that seems a bit petty even for an insane person :p. I just wish them all the luck and happiness in the world and hope that this is what they both want and is best for both of them. Another failed engagement might be a bit harder to get over.

Having said that, my first reaction was that it was a dream. I heard it on the radio at 7am and didn’t really register, then Mum came in and asked me if I knew about Lleyton and Bec and I just rolled over. About 5 minutes later I think it reached some part of my sleepy brain and I’m like ‘did you really tell me that they’re engaged?’ It was rather hard to believe :lol:

I think the funniest part of it all though is the over-dramatisation from the Aussie media. Usually I only watch the news, but I had to watch all the current affairs shows to see what they made of it. Anyone and everyone gave their views, from radio djs to the H&A cast – but the most hilarious was Pat Cash :rolleyes: I’m not sure he said anything relevant, except that he didn’t like marriage. I’m now waiting eagerly to see what rubbish the gossip mags publish this week! (But I wish they would just leave them alone to be happy for once)

Anyway, good luck to them! :)

ally_014
02-01-2005, 03:58 AM
Are you looking forward to the continual cuts to the audience to see her confused expression? :p

Oh but she says she actually understands tennis now! She talked to channe 7 bef the match and said she now hears about all types of sport - footy, golf etc - but I think it will take a long education from Lleyton somehow :p

Lisbeth
02-01-2005, 04:15 AM
Someone asked Pat Cash's opinion on marriage? :haha: OMG.

Lisbeth
02-01-2005, 04:16 AM
Oh but she says she actually understands tennis now! She talked to channe 7 bef the match and said she now hears about all types of sport - footy, golf etc - but I think it will take a long education from Lleyton somehow :p

I think it's good that she knows nothing about tennis. She'll be impressed by how talented and co-ordinated and athletic he is :devil:

Yasmine
02-01-2005, 08:41 AM
:wavey: everyone!
I think our reaction was to be shocked when we heard the engagement. Seriously I read it in GM in wtaworld (not that I go there too often, it was the latest thread on the homepage, couldn't miss it!), and I really had big doubts whether it was real or a crap rumour. I think he's gone insane but all I want now if for them to work and to be happy -not that I haven't gotany doubts but that's a personal point of view... I am not sure how the travelling of Lleyton is gonna suit Bec working in Australia :confused: With Kim at least they were both on tour and in the same areas all year long but I'm not sure it's gonna suit them if one of them is away all the time. But we'll see. Best of luck to both of them ;)
People have also mentionned the way he played in the final, and I will go with the credit to Safin. Seriously I had doubts every previous match because he had long fights, he had this hip problem. So I am not surprised he ran out of steam in the final, and Safin just took advantage of it and picked up his game, good on him! Anyone else would have done the same. ;)

flip_fan
02-01-2005, 08:53 AM
why else travel with such a huge entourage and avail himself of the services of the Davis Cup captain? (Never seen Wally in Flip's box ;) )

... sorry couldnt help myself, but your completly wrong about wally. He spends alot of time with mark on tour and training, they are very good friends and he has definately supported mark in the past.

... also lleyton has lost his mind. Its easy to think you've found "the one" when he's seen her everyday for th the whole 7wks of their "relationship", but the real test starts after davis cup when he has to travel. With a chance of bec becomming the youngest gold logie winner (i dont know why) i doubt she will be wanting to throw in her career and follow lleyton around.

good luck to em', cause they are going to need it!

duck
02-01-2005, 10:33 AM
Even Safin said that Lleyton went away after that crucial third set break and didn't seem to believe anymore.
But he does that. I've seen him do it in several matches (Ivo Karlovic/Gaston Gaudio) where he just dumps it and stops believing. It's the reason I'm always stunned at LL's great fightbacks in other matches because I have seen him just take a mental vacation half way through a match usually after spending one or two sets playing brilliantly. It's not a new phenomenon by any means.

I still think Lleyton had a meltdown there and it's pertinent to the question : "Has he gone insane?"
I don't think it was a meltdown but a repeat of an already established pattern. I will speculate that LL's ferocious reactions on court and his self-evident will to win are built up by him as a response to this occasional tendency to stop. He wills himself on precisely because he knows that otherwise he might lose. That's not a fear of losing. That's an acknowledgement of and (usually) a defeat of a potentially match-losing weakness, much as a player might correct a technical weakness in a groundstroke.

The fact that he overcomes so often is a testament to his strength of will and character but the crack is there and is exploitable. Those who complain about the C'mons play into his hands. Those who shrug their shoulders are those who feel they can get in under his guard.

tennisfan16
02-01-2005, 12:50 PM
Well, Bec did look very happy at the match and I applaud her for not being like other tennis stars' girlfriends, and cheering, because I think that was awesome of her! On the topic of Cherilyn not saying anything:

There were rumors of the Lleyton/Kim breakup being because of her interference. Maybe Lleyton blames her for that or something or maybe he just told her to stay out of his love life?! I wouldn't put it past him.

riotgirl
02-01-2005, 01:01 PM
Hey all!


He might be happy with Bec right at the moment but I guess this won't last that long. Somehow, I believe that he only realises what he might really need when he's back on the ATP Tour cause then he's alone a lot... I'm sure he needs someone supporting him and having someone around all the time and Bec won't be able to take that part over from Kim that easily. He just ignores that cause he's still in Australia and the "normal" tennis life hasn't started yet...



Bye...
well, she doesn't need to be with him all the time. She could join him once in a while.
But she's an actress, so she would probably never be able to come, except for like a couple or times or something.
Anyway, yeah, I think he's gone insane.

dagmar7
02-01-2005, 01:02 PM
Either you play to win or play not to lose. Lleyton played not to lose while Marat played to win. Lleyton was actually up a break 4-2 in the third set.
After Lleyton's footfault in which he lost focus, Marat creeped back in and broke Lleyton, then held for 4-4. At that point the third set was a toss-up and the Lleyton I remember would've been more aggressive, at that key stage in the match, but losing that break to Safin ended up deflating him and he reverted back to being defensive. Even Safin said that Lleyton went away after that crucial third set break and didn't seem to believe anymore. I am not used to seeing Lleyton get so down on himself. He's usually got more fight in him.
I still think Lleyton had a meltdown there and it's pertinent to the question : "Has he gone insane?"

The following is how you described the match in the chat thread at the time you presumably finished watching it. Strange that you didn't spot the lurking insanity then. ;) Nothing about playing not to lose and Marat "creeping back", but a more accurate description of the many momentum shifts in the match.

Marat was just too good today. He came out horribly flat in the first set, but weathered the first set storm and hit some unbelievable shots and aces. Once he broke Lleyton's serve in the fourth set it seemed to knock some fight out of Lleyton. Then Marat never looked back and hit some crazy winners.

Edit: and here's another unusually Lleyton-positive post from you after the match. I wonder what happened to change your interpretation so much? Diamond Bec, I suppose.

Lleyton's got everything to be proud of. The better man just won on the day.
Marat and Lleyton really do seem to have a good relationship for top competitors. I think Federer, Safin and Lleyton have great respect for each other and it shows in their gracious acceptance speeches. Marat's so funny thanking Lleyton's entourage! Even Glynn, Chezza and Jaslyn were all laughs

riotgirl
02-01-2005, 02:53 PM
.

... also lleyton has lost his mind. Its easy to think you've found "the one" when he's seen her everyday for th the whole 7wks of their "relationship", but the real test starts after davis cup when he has to travel. With a chance of bec becomming the youngest gold logie winner (i dont know why) i doubt she will be wanting to throw in her career and follow lleyton around.


does she really need to go EVERYWHERE with him???????????????
she can go sumtimes...

tennisfan16
02-01-2005, 04:28 PM
Lleyton did play his best at the Open, I think. Safin was just better. However, I honestly believe that if Lleyton would have won that third set, he would have won the match.

Murkofan
02-01-2005, 04:51 PM
Dagmar, you're very sneaky :p And very determined to win this argument, I think :p

Yasmine
02-01-2005, 04:54 PM
Marly, not bad your new avatar! ;) :D

Murkofan
02-01-2005, 04:55 PM
Why thank you :D

All hail MarKimVier! :worship:

sprinterluck
02-01-2005, 05:06 PM
The following is how you described the match in the chat thread at the time you presumably finished watching it. Strange that you didn't spot the lurking insanity then. ;) Nothing about playing not to lose and Marat "creeping back", but a more accurate description of the many momentum shifts in the match.



Edit: and here's another unusually Lleyton-positive post from you after the match. I wonder what happened to change your interpretation so much? Diamond Bec, I suppose.

It's not so unusual that I'd post something positive about Lleyton's tennis. I am a fan of his tennis. (As for his behavior that's another story). I also like Marat and want to give him all the credit because he deserves it.
I watched the match and immediately posted my thoughts, then later read Marat's comments and actually rewound to that third set and watched it again. Upon seeing the third set again and that foot fault game, sad to say, but I think Marat was right. Although Lleyton had the upperhand in the third set, Lleyton foot faulted, Marat broke back and then it was all downhill...not the Lleyton that I'm used to seeing who fights back no matter what. I'm sure he was fatigued mentally and physically, but it's hard for me to believe that he wouldn't just fight that off because he was so close. Marat played to win yes and hit some great shots, but Lleyton made it easier for him by playing defensively. And, no. B-list has nothing to do with my interpretation of his tennis. :rolleyes:

raeesa301
02-01-2005, 05:53 PM
Marly, not bad your new avatar! ;) :D

Totally agree :p !! If kim weren't dating Luc I think the X-man and her would make a good couple :devil: ! He's quite good-looking, or have I lost it :retard: ?

dagmar7
02-01-2005, 11:28 PM
It's not so unusual that I'd post something positive about Lleyton's tennis. I am a fan of his tennis. (As for his behavior that's another story). I also like Marat and want to give him all the credit because he deserves it.
I watched the match and immediately posted my thoughts, then later read Marat's comments and actually rewound to that third set and watched it again. .... Marat played to win yes and hit some great shots, but Lleyton made it easier for him by playing defensively. And, no. B-list has nothing to do with my interpretation of his tennis. :rolleyes:

Now I've offended you and you are rolling your eyes at me.

It's understandable. Nobody likes to be quoted in this way. Perhaps it is "sneaky" as Marly :kiss: avers.

Longish post coming up, but I'll attempt to clarify this issue.

Question 1: Did Lleyton not compete well through much of the end of the final?

Answer: Probably Yes.

But the topic of this thread is Lleyton's sanity, not whether he experienced some sort of let down during the match. In order to evaluate your answer to this question...

Question 2: Was there something in the match that demonstrated a radical change from his 'normal' match performances?

Answer: No. Duck already convincingly demonstrated that he has a pattern of let downs, often in crucial matches. While he has some fantastic wins, he has much worse losses than this year's final: the 2003 match against Karlovic; the 2003 match against El Aynaoui; the Federer bagels and so forth. Even the 2002 USOpen SF loss to Agassi showed a similar pattern. In fact, he competed unusually well this year; there is nothing to suggest that he has "snapped".

Question 3: Concerning your premise: Is the ability to compete at the highest level of professional sports an index of mental health?

Answer: Clearly not. Athletes can have extraordinary careers while suffering depression, addiction and a host of other problems. Tennis has many examples, including the great Bjorn Borg. Oppositely, perfectly sane, well adjusted athletes can be "afraid to lose". That's why sports psychology is different than ordinary psychology. In fact, the opposite argument 'that choking is a sign of emotional normalcy' is probably easier to make.

I have already said that I think Lleyton may well have some "issues", but this (your) line of argument isn't logical.

Lisbeth
02-01-2005, 11:58 PM
... sorry couldnt help myself, but your completly wrong about wally. He spends alot of time with mark on tour and training, they are very good friends and he has definately supported mark in the past.

OK :) I'd never seen him there - happy to be corrected!

Raquel
02-02-2005, 01:46 AM
To answer the thread title I think he has gone insane, or at least slightly mad!

It's funny how you will never know someone but you just hope they are OK and doing the right thing. I really hope Lleyton is doing the right thing. It's still feels surreal, as if surely this cannot be happening!

Raquel
02-02-2005, 01:50 AM
Still no quotes from the Hewitt parents. I wonder what Glynn and Chezza really think :confused: and if they've even had enough time to get acquainted with Bec to form an opinion. When Kim & Lleyton got engaged Glynn had an official quote, but now it's all silence.
There is actually a thread on WTAWorld saying that there's a rumour for a while that Lleyton's parents have been split up for years and are only keeping up appearances as a happy family for the media. That was a new one to me.

I think what someone said earlier is true - Lleyton is almost in his own soap opera.

Murkofan
02-02-2005, 01:54 AM
There is actually a thread on WTAWorld saying that there's a rumour for a while that Lleyton's parents have been split up for years and are only keeping up appearances as a happy family for the media. That was a new one to me.


Omg :rolleyes: :haha:

Raquel
02-02-2005, 01:59 AM
Omg :rolleyes: :haha:
I know. There's more....

Here's the link to that post - http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=4838359&postcount=26

Murkofan
02-02-2005, 02:22 AM
Lleyton was onced asked by a reporter if he had a girlfriend. He told the reporter, "I don't think of girls in that way." Lo and behold, less than two weeks later, Lleyton had met Kim in Melbourne and they were dating. They made their first splash in Indian Wells and continued through to the French Open where they made their international debut. It's just so convenient. Perhaps Kim knows something. Perhaps Kim couldn't live a lie any longer and the pressure was getting to her with not being able to play and having to deal with keeping a secret.

So now Ll is secretly gay? :rolls:

Lisbeth
02-02-2005, 03:12 AM
and maybe Navratilova only made those nasty comments to hide the fact she is secretly living with Chez :rolleyes: Oh wait, this thread isn't locker room confrontations!

:lol:

Lisbeth
02-02-2005, 03:15 AM
On a serious note, I'm not aware of any "official" Hewitt family statement, but Glynn and Cherilyn were shown on the news out jogging together (gee they're really taking this phony togetherness thing seriously, out jogging together when they're not even expecting to be flagged down by cameras ;) ) and they said they were happy about the news.

After being blamed for the last split I wouldn't blame them for saying nothing anyway!

Murkofan
02-02-2005, 03:18 AM
Glynn and Chezza are the source of all evil on earth :p

Jackie
02-02-2005, 11:24 AM
for the last split I wouldn't blame them for saying nothing anyway!

Do you really think they are going to tell the media if they don't approve? They don't strike me as the sort of parents who want a lot of media attention

dagmar7
02-02-2005, 12:29 PM
I know. There's more....

Here's the link to that post - http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=4838359&postcount=26

Thanks :lol:...I might have missed this thread. Some, er, classic posts. What's up with the one that said Kim wasn't dating Mr. Limburg but an atp player in the top 150 who was better at doubles than singles? Why would she have some guy as a screen for some other random guy - Kristof Vliegen would seem to be the most likely candidate? That makes no sense.

:scratch:

Unless the poster meant the wtatour and it's really Els Callens. ;)

Lleyton and Kim have been living a lie all this time! :p

:unsure:

Edit: I mean this one. It seems like a random sort of lie to tell, although on the bright side I guess all you fantasists can hold out home that the writer means Xavier.

http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=4839612&postcount=33

dagmar7
02-02-2005, 12:56 PM
and maybe Navratilova only made those nasty comments to hide the fact she is secretly living with Chez :rolleyes: Oh wait, this thread isn't locker room confrontations!

:lol:

It's all a big cover-up... No wonder Lleyton...*in best William Shatner voice*... "Has...Gone...*dramatic pause*... Insane!" ;)

There, I thought I'd tie it all in for you.

It's amazing how people just make stuff up and then present it as non-fiction. It's pretty irresponsible, but then some posters are very innocent. I remember someone thought that Kim's cartoon was a realistic depiction of Lleyton's house. :o

So I should clarify, I don't think Mr. Limburg is a screen. He is real. That's it... ;)

dagmar7
02-02-2005, 12:58 PM
One more thing...

I don't think Bec and Ll were having an affair before they met. The management story rings true, and she's obviously never seen a tennis match before, which suggests a very new relationship.

He just forms attachments very quickly, which may be connected to the thread topic.

Okay...now I'm really done.

star
02-02-2005, 01:52 PM
Fans make up all kinds of thing to project on their objects of worship/hatred mostly in order to satisfy their own psychological needs.

I remember Graf fans who worshiped her as ms. saintly lady-like perfect who were shocked to their little toesies when they found out that ms. too-good-to-be-true had been seeing mr. tacky las vegas Agassi before breaking up with her long time boyfriend.

We don't really know any of these people and it seems to me self evident that Lleyton hasn't gone insane. He's merely done something WE find shocking and out of character. The problem is: we don't really know him. We know how he plays tennis and the way he answers questions in an interview and a teensy bit about his taste in clothing and cars and houses, but that's it.

dagmar7
02-02-2005, 02:00 PM
Well said, Christina; the word fan is connected to fanatic, but both come from fanum, a fane or temple. The word is pretty apt, and sometimes the worshippers get a little scary.

Few peoples lives could stand up to such scrutiny. I know mine couldn't.

We know a little bit more than that about Lleyton, but the point is well made. I will say that growing to maturity as a public figure seems to me to be very difficult from an emotional and psychological point of view.

tennisfan16
02-02-2005, 06:58 PM
True, and I completely understand what you're saying. However, it just seems odd to me that he would completely change how he acts in public. Maybe he truly is happy. I'm not disputing that, and as a fan I don't want him to be unhappy as it might affect his game. I just think that getting engaged within 7 weeks of dating is not normal...even in Hollywood. Unless...they eloped and are just trying to put the public off....:)

Socket
02-02-2005, 08:24 PM
Fans make up all kinds of thing to project on their objects of worship/hatred mostly in order to satisfy their own psychological needs.

I remember Graf fans who worshiped her as ms. saintly lady-like perfect who were shocked to their little toesies when they found out that ms. too-good-to-be-true had been seeing mr. tacky las vegas Agassi before breaking up with her long time boyfriend.

We don't really know any of these people and it seems to me self evident that Lleyton hasn't gone insane. He's merely done something WE find shocking and out of character. The problem is: we don't really know him. We know how he plays tennis and the way he answers questions in an interview and a teensy bit about his taste in clothing and cars and houses, but that's it.
:yeah:

Yasmine
02-02-2005, 10:40 PM
I think we most of us came to the same conclusion: that engagement announcment is very very odd and might seem shocking :devil: . But as long as he's happy we're fine with it... :angel:

Murkofan
02-02-2005, 11:10 PM
I still think he's out of his bleeding mind :p

sprinterluck
02-02-2005, 11:35 PM
I still think he's out of his bleeding mind :p

That was my initial reaction.

Then again, maybe he knows exactly what he's doing, is deliriously happy, and happy to prove to all of Oz (and the world) that he can get a hot popular girl to marry him...and now he wants to show her off. It would explain the change in his behavior from the Virgin Atlantic party, to the staged Sydney boat photos, and now the very public engagement--total 180 turn from formerly paparazzi shy Lleyton. He probably just doesn't want people talking about him getting dumped. Not saying he was dumped, but that's what a lot of Oz newspapers assume. He's giving them something else to focus on like Lleybec. Hope it doesn't end as dismally as Bennifer though.

Yasmine
02-02-2005, 11:39 PM
I still think he's out of his bleeding mind :p
Oh yeah I agree but I'm just trying to swallow the chock... :devil: And go for the ok he's done sth mad but I sill wish him happiness. :angel:

Murkofan
02-03-2005, 02:38 PM
Hope it doesn't end as dismally as Bennifer though.

It would serve him right for turning into that type of person :p

Yasmine
02-03-2005, 03:14 PM
OK I think a few people are not happy with the title of this thread anymore... We all thought he had gone insane when we first heard the news but now it should be renamed, let them be happy!

ace4lleykim
02-03-2005, 05:25 PM
I know this is INSANE!!! Is he so desparate that he asks every girl he dates to marry him??!!! ROSS GELLER, THE DIVORCER (From FRIENDS), LLEYTON HEWITT, THE PROPOSER!!!

Raquel
02-03-2005, 05:43 PM
OK I think a few people are not happy with the title of this thread anymore... We all thought he had gone insane when we first heard the news but now it should be renamed, let them be happy!
Yeah I agree :) It was a shock at first but it is happening now, so we may as well wish him the best

...despite the insanity of it all

Yasmine
02-03-2005, 06:18 PM
I know this is INSANE!!! Is he so desparate that he asks every girl he dates to marry him??!!! ROSS GELLER, THE DIVORCER (From FRIENDS), LLEYTON HEWITT, THE PROPOSER!!!
I like the analogy with Friends becky! :lol: Ross at 30 divorced 3 times Lleyton still have some time to achieve that :cool: .

RebelNYC
02-03-2005, 06:47 PM
I feel that Lleyton is really emotionally messed up....I've always liked him,
his never-say-die attitude....always thought he and Kim were a great couple,
still feeling badly for both of them over that...BUT...I would tell ANYONE -
famous or NOT - getting engaged after a 7 or 8 week courtship is NOT good
news...sure, it could work...but I think the odds are not in their favor. I
hope I am wrong. She is a re-bound after Kim, and I just wish he waited
a bit longer before this ... I actually thought it was a joke when I first heard
it - I could not believe it. I wish them well, and I guess we will all see where
it is going when he is back out on tour and not home in Australia.

Jackie
02-04-2005, 02:30 AM
I don't know if this is even an emoticon, but all I have left to say about the whole situation is :vomit:

leigh_25
02-04-2005, 05:02 AM
I know this is INSANE!!! Is he so desparate that he asks every girl he dates to marry him??!!! ROSS GELLER, THE DIVORCER (From FRIENDS), LLEYTON HEWITT, THE PROPOSER!!!

It seems like lleyton's favorite line of question to girls is "will you marry me?" :D

panda7
02-04-2005, 06:09 AM
It seems clear, after reading the many posts in the various threads, that we are a diverse group of fans with vastly differing opinions on Lleyton's actions over the last few months.

Despite these many differences I do think that the common denominator we all share is that we are Lleyton fans first and foremost and will support him no matter how 'mad' some of us may think he is these days and that we wish him to be genuinely happy.

I do think that there has to be a place for people to share their thoughts, no matter how irritating and unpleasant these may be to an individual and I believe that this forum is the perfect outlet. Sometimes you just need to let of a little steam and I think for some posters this is their way of doing that. My personal view is that as long as no derogatory or vulgar comments are made about anyone, I have no problem. I belive the best weapon against opinions one strongly disagrees with is an equally strong rebuttal and I see a lot of great rebuttals on this forum. :)

tennisfan16
02-04-2005, 07:24 PM
OK I think a few people are not happy with the title of this thread anymore... We all thought he had gone insane when we first heard the news but now it should be renamed, let them be happy!

This is a place to talk about Lleyton and what he's doing with his life. It's an opinion place. If you want...HAPPY!...go to the Lleyton and Bec thread.

Sorry if I sound witchy but that's truly how I feel.

star
02-04-2005, 07:29 PM
The Lleyton and Bec thread is also filled with venom.

Yasmine
02-04-2005, 08:52 PM
This is a place to talk about Lleyton and what he's doing with his life. It's an opinion place. If you want...HAPPY!...go to the Lleyton and Bec thread.

Sorry if I sound witchy but that's truly how I feel.
Wowowow! where did that come from, calm down... what's wrong with wanting them to be happy... I've said it before, I think it's insane too but it doesn't mean I can't wish them well does it? :confused:

panda7
02-04-2005, 09:38 PM
The Lleyton and Bec thread is also filled with venom.

My impression is that the venom is almost exclusively directed towards Bec and not so much towards Lleyton. While there is plenty of rolling of the eyes and shaking of the head regarding Lleyton, i don't see alot of outright venom aimed at him.

Let's face it, it is a lot easier to pick on Bec as I assume a large number of posters here have not quite embraced her. Just speaking for myself, I have no particular interest in her and the explanation I have is that it is very difficult to develop a connection solely based on a few (ok, a lot) of photos and articles.

I hate to bring Kim into this again, but it was a lot easier to develop a like or even dislike for Kim because of the fact that she is a world wide known person in her own right and we all, whether we live in Europe, Canada, USA or Australia, knew who she was and were able to latch onto something 'real'. In Bec's case this may never be a possiblity, unless we all suddenly get the opportunity to watch her show and see her as something other than Lleyton's fiancee. I believe this is just a natural reaction. Marat Safin and Roger Federer are two of my favorite players and while I find their girlfriends pretty, I have no interest in their lives.

Liking or disliking someone is such an instictual act. Eventually emotions will cool off and things will die down. Mind you, I am already bracing myself for a new barage of emotions once theTV apperance of Lleyton and Bec has aired. :eek:

Yasmine
02-04-2005, 10:02 PM
My impression is that the venom is almost exclusively directed towards Bec and not so much towards Lleyton. While there is plenty of rolling of the eyes and shaking of the head regarding Lleyton, i don't see alot of outright venom aimed at him.

Let's face it, it is a lot easier to pick on Bec as I assume a large number of posters here have not quite embraced her. Just speaking for myself, I have no particular interest in her and the explanation I have is that it is very difficult to develop a connection solely based on a few (ok, a lot) of photos and articles.

I hate to bring Kim into this again, but it was a lot easier to develop a like or even dislike for Kim because of the fact that she is a world wide known person in her own right and we all, whether we live in Europe, Canada, USA or Australia, knew who she was and were able to latch onto something 'real'. In Bec's case this may never be a possiblity, unless we all suddenly get the opportunity to watch her show and see her as something other than Lleyton's fiancee. I believe this is just a natural reaction. Marat Safin and Roger Federer are two of my favorite players and while I find their girlfriends pretty, I have no interest in their lives.

Liking or disliking someone is such an instictual act. Eventually emotions will cool off and things will die down. Mind you, I am already bracing myself for a new barage of emotions once theTV apperance of Lleyton and Bec has aired. :eek:
Why is it that I don't have the talent to write things as nicely and as well put as you did Panda :worship:

panda7
02-05-2005, 04:34 AM
Why is it that I don't have the talent to write things as nicely and as well put as you did Panda :worship:

You shouldn't encourage me, Yassmine :D. I'd much prefer to have your talent to 'get to the point' without using 50 words, when 10 will do. I don't know if you've heard of the saying 'beating around the bush', but that would be my speciality. Thanks for the kind words anyway :wavey:

Yasmine
02-05-2005, 08:21 AM
You shouldn't encourage me, Yassmine :D. I'd much prefer to have your talent to 'get to the point' without using 50 words, when 10 will do. I don't know if you've heard of the saying 'beating around the bush', but that would be my speciality. Thanks for the kind words anyway :wavey:
Getting to the point, I don't know if I would call that talent you know but a bit of beating around the bushd doesn't hurt either... :p what's your name bta? :wavey:

panda7
02-05-2005, 03:29 PM
Getting to the point, I don't know if I would call that talent you know but a bit of beating around the bushd doesn't hurt either... :p what's your name bta? :wavey:

My name is Col (short for Colette) but I have no problem being referred to as panda :)

star
02-05-2005, 05:20 PM
The Lleyton and Bec thread is also filled with venom.
My impression is that the venom is almost exclusively directed towards Bec and not so much towards Lleyton. While there is plenty of rolling of the eyes and shaking of the head regarding Lleyton, i don't see alot of outright venom aimed at him.


If that's the case then I suppose I should be grateful for this thread for otherwise there would be nowhere else on MTF to direct venom toward Lleyton. :lol:

Lisbeth
02-06-2005, 01:16 AM
If that's the case then I suppose I should be grateful for this thread for otherwise there would be nowhere else on MTF to direct venom toward Lleyton. :lol:

:rolls:

Yasmine
02-07-2005, 05:17 PM
WTH is going on in his head??? :banghead: Him who was so private, seing these pictures in front pages of magasines, makes me feel sick! :o :shrug:

Lisbeth
02-07-2005, 10:58 PM
:hug: please don't feel sick Yasmine :)

kimberlleyton
02-07-2005, 11:01 PM
WTH is going on in his head??? :banghead: Him who was so private, seing these pictures in front pages of magasines, makes me feel sick! :o :shrug:

I agree. I don't recognize him.
New love, New man, New Behaviour :sad: I don't love either the new Lleyton Hewitt as an Human Being but we must admit as a player tennis, he is better than ever. Maybe he need to be mad to play very well in tennis.
But a little bit of discretion would be great for everybody and particulary for me !
I have recorded most of Lleyton's AO matches but I can't watch them. I don't arrive yet to look only as matches without thinking to his current behaviour under showBiz's spotlight.

Lisbeth
02-07-2005, 11:03 PM
He's just in love :hearts: It does weird things to people.

Jackie
02-08-2005, 01:37 AM
WTH is going on in his head??? :banghead: Him who was so private, seing these pictures in front pages of magasines, makes me feel sick! :o :shrug:

I think it was Bec's idea :devil: He looked really uncomfortable in the Today Tonight interview and I'm convinced that he only did it because it was for charity

Lisbeth
02-08-2005, 03:43 AM
Did you think so? I thought he looked surprisingly at ease. But I completely agree it was almost certainly her idea ;)

Yasmine
02-08-2005, 08:31 AM
Pfff why is it I always overreact... http://smileys.******************/cat/36/36_19_4.gif
Don't get me wrong, i wish him to be happy whatever he does, but even for charity would you sell your story? I know other ways he could have raised money really. And I agree it must have been Bec's idea. I probably just need to get used to seeing him in the spotlights. :p

raeesa301
02-08-2005, 02:18 PM
I'm also finding it hard to see him in the spotlight so much! The first thing I thought when I saw the interview was "why didin't you sell a raquet or something to raise money for charity"! But hey! We're just gonna have to get used to it! :p

Hagar
02-08-2005, 02:24 PM
WTH is going on in his head??? :banghead: Him who was so private, seing these pictures in front pages of magasines, makes me feel sick! :o :shrug:

I feel exactly the same way.
I WANT THE FORMER PRIVATE LLEYTON BACK!!! :sad:

Besides, the former Lleyton wasn't that bad a tennis player: 2 Slams, number 1 for ages and 2 Masters Cups!!!

Hagar
02-08-2005, 02:25 PM
It seems like lleyton's favorite line of question to girls is "will you marry me?" :D

I guess someone must have told him that that is a good opening line.

dagmar7
02-08-2005, 02:27 PM
I'm also finding it hard to see him in the spotlight so much! The first thing I thought when I saw the interview was "why didin't you sell a raquet or something to raise money for charity"! But hey! We're just gonna have to get used to it! :p

Raeesa, he already auctioned off lots of racquets for charity (Tsunami relief,) one per match at Sydney. He matched one of the offers and IMG, who was running the tournament. matched the others. I think they made around 40,000 or so at least from that tournament alone.

There was also an auction of racquets for the same cause run by the ATP at the Aus Open; Lleyton participated in that as well.

The story is hot right now, and they might as well put some of our prurient interest to a good cause.

I notice all the critics seem to have watched the interview as well. :o

Hagar
02-08-2005, 02:27 PM
I don't know if you've heard of the saying 'beating around the bush', but that would be my speciality.

Hey, are you from Oz? In that case no one can blame you for "bearing around the bush" coz you've got plenty of it down under! :devil:

Turkeyballs Paco
02-08-2005, 02:57 PM
We don't know how much of this media hype is really just pressure from Cartwright's bosses at channel seven. Anyway, I like seeing all this media, he's been too private before. Now he's all over the place. I'm sure this overexposure won't keep on going for too much longer.

It's a little bit hokey, but it's still cute. Even if he's all over that other girl, and not me! Hey, I don't blame her for falling for him, though. Nobody's going to say she's gone insane.

virgil23
02-08-2005, 03:37 PM
Wow, for the most part I've kept a distant silence on this but what the hell.

Okay off the bat, I'm worried about this engagement not because of any hatred towards Bec or feelings towards Kim, etc. but simply because I worry about ANYONE getting engaged after two months (I was happy to hear they plan to marry "some year" so who knows maybe there will be a long engagement). Not only getting engaged after two months but right off the heels of emotional breakups. Basically, you have to wonder if there was time to even realize and understand what exactly what went wrong in those last relationships, and if you don't know that; it's very likely you'll make the same mistakes again.

Now as for this "new Lleyton" issue; I don't really see it. He came to Aus Open and kicked ass like I hoped he would and if he continues this form for the whole year, then I'll be more apt to pretty much ignore everything else. I am always a fan of his tennis first and foremost. In terms of his being in the press and the media coverage, I really don't think it has been so out of control that it requires questioning his sanity or calling him a famewhore or whatever.

The Aussie media was all over the engagement, everyone putting their own spin on things; so they decided to give one interview to answer all the questions and comments people were making. At the same time they did something worthwhile with the money from the interviews, good for them. Many high-profile people do this. You basically manage to gain some control of what is being said and perceived; so the interview with New Idea didn't surprise me that much.

The television interview did have me a little surprised and worried, but honestly it was not as bad as I thought it would be. I expected nauseating gushing and cutesy "I love You's" and cheesy lines about how amazing each was (that's when I would question where the hell the old Lleyton went to). I was pleasantly surprised with how they both came off in the interview. I could however have done without the little cheesy montages but that's just the cynic in me period. Any type of those cutesy cheesy montages bug me. Hell don't hurl the tomatoes at me but I thought the entire "Love Match" event was cheesy and corny.

Now as for the interview itself, I noticed after watching it that I still really don't have much of an opinion on Bec or an idea of who she is. Good on her for the work she's doing in the Aids Trust and she certainly seems "nice" enough I guess but that's about all I could draw from the interview. Who knows, maybe it's because there's not much else going on there and no, I'm not trying to be mean or bitchy about her (unlike many here I've never disliked Bec. I never knew enough about the girl to dislike her and quite frankly dating Lleyton seemed an incredibly silly reason. She wasn't putting a gun to his head and he and Kim were over. Didn't matter if it was a week or a month, they were over and Bec wasn't the reason for it. At least we haven't heard any indication from either parties that she was). It's just the only conclusion I could draw from watching the interview. Many people in this world are sweet and very nice but not the deepest person and there's nothing wrong with that.

A few other things stood out to me; when Lleyton said he didn't think he stood a chance with Bec, I felt it could have just been his attempt at self-deprecating humor or something more. For me at times, he almost seemed like the guy who always had the crush on the really beautiful, popular girl but never thought he'd have her (I mean he admittedly had a crush on her when they were still teens) so once he did he grabbed on as quickly as possible. It's like he still sees her as that unbelievable, unattainable crush. Then again I may just be misreading things, I've never even been in love so what do I know. :p

There also seemed to be the use of the word "comfortable" a lot from both. While it's good to be happy and content with your life partner,(it is after all what many hope for); it almost seemed like they left these two relationships, that towards the end got very difficult and so when they met each other again, with the whole thing being easy and comfortable, they immediately grabbed onto that. However easy and comfortable doesn't always mean right. Plus it amuses me that a 21 yr. old and 23 yr.old would be world weary enough to settle for comfortable. Again those were just my general observations from watching the interview so who knows how wrong I may be about all this.

All that said, there did seem to be genuine fondness between the two and it did seem like they genuinely cared about each other. Deeply in love however, I didn't really feel or get from either one but hey maybe they will prove all the cynics and naysayers wrong and good for them if they do. As for the animosity or cattiness towards Bec, I really don't see the point. It all seems a little silly to me. JMO though.

Murkofan
02-08-2005, 04:01 PM
Then again I may just be misreading things, I've never even been in love so what do I know. :p


*cough*

Yasmine
02-08-2005, 04:14 PM
great post Virgil! :worship: I wish I had the time to reply to you by another long post too :devil:

panda7
02-08-2005, 04:16 PM
Hey, are you from Oz? In that case no one can blame you for "bearing around the bush" coz you've got plenty of it down under! :devil:

:D I'm half British, half Austrian (about as close to Australian as I can get)

virgil23
02-08-2005, 04:18 PM
*cough*

I will ignore that Marl.

Murkofan
02-08-2005, 04:19 PM
I will ignore that Marl.

:aplot: :angel: :p

Yasmine
02-08-2005, 04:53 PM
Hagar, honestly :devil:, I respect your opinion and I'm sure everyone here does too. But how come you always end up starting discussions that make people pissed off!

Murkofan
02-08-2005, 04:57 PM
Some of us just have that talent, Yas :p

Yasmine
02-08-2005, 05:08 PM
I hope I don't. I manage to piss myself off, don't need to make it worse by making everybody else angry :p

Hagar
02-08-2005, 05:27 PM
Hagar, honestly :devil:, I respect your opinion and I'm sure everyone here does too. But how come you always end up starting discussions that make people pissed off!

Probably coz I have no talent for bearing around the bush, I guess.

In any case, I'm not feeling pissed off. :cool:

Murkofan
02-08-2005, 05:32 PM
Yas, how do you manage to piss yourself off? :p

Yasmine
02-08-2005, 05:54 PM
Yas, how do you manage to piss yourself off? :p
:lol: one of my talents!
And Hagar I'm not talking about you but the reply to your post that others do... :rolleyes:

Jackie
02-09-2005, 05:35 AM
Hey, are you from Oz? In that case no one can blame you for "bearing around the bush" coz you've got plenty of it down under! :devil:

Do you mean BEATING around the bush?

Jackie
02-09-2005, 05:37 AM
I'm also finding it hard to see him in the spotlight so much! The first thing I thought when I saw the interview was "why didin't you sell a raquet or something to raise money for charity"! But hey! We're just gonna have to get used to it! :p

Lol. He sold so many of them. Are they even worth anything now?

Hagar
02-09-2005, 09:10 AM
Do you mean BEATING around the bush?

Yes, I guess that is the right expression: beating around the bush.

SleepySkaters
02-26-2005, 02:49 PM
I'd like to add something..

Have you ever been thinking that all of that relationships of Lleyton and Kim were a PR action? I mean, they are both young, full of potential. *Going out* would be a good stuff for both of them, blah blah blah...
Then, Lleyton and Beck keep on saying that they first meeting was about 5 years ago...
So my PERSONAL opinion is that they actually know each other well, and why shouldn't they be with each other. Or even get married. It's not like a few weeks before wedding, it's kind of 5 years of at least, friendship... That means much, I guess.. So, who knows....

And sorry to start with such kind of a topic :)

And, I don't know if anyone have written the same stuff - I havent read all 9 pages of this thread :) This is my first time posting at this forum, being honest :)

Yasmine
02-26-2005, 02:54 PM
:wavey: good on you for posting honestly! that's what the forum is for ;)

SleepySkaters
02-26-2005, 03:59 PM
:wavey: good on you for posting honestly! that's what the forum is for ;)

Well, I don't think I was being rude or something, right? ))
Just an opinion ))))

:wavey:

Nimomunz
02-26-2005, 04:01 PM
Lleyton is a serial engager!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yasmine
02-26-2005, 04:06 PM
Well, I don't think I was being rude or something, right? ))

not at all ;)

sprinterluck
02-28-2005, 07:12 AM
Lleyton is a serial engager!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D Well he certainly seems to like being engaged. Out of the last 14 months he's been engaged for about a total of 11 months now. :p

Yasmine
02-28-2005, 07:18 AM
:D Well he certainly seems to like being engaged. Out of the last 14 months he's been engaged for about a total of 11 months now. :p
the fact that there were 2 different girls on top of that is even more impressive :lol:

Jackie
02-28-2005, 08:52 AM
:lol:, but be careful. We are at risk of this thread turning nasty again

Yasmine
02-28-2005, 12:17 PM
oh yeah sorry :tape: wouldn't want to get in trouble :haha:

jusjctin
03-01-2005, 12:25 AM
sleepy skaters, where did u get ur avatar pic from? I like it!

Socket
03-01-2005, 03:39 AM
I recognize the base for sleepy skaters' av -- it's from the New Balls group photo that used to be on the ATP web site.

SleepySkaters
03-01-2005, 10:41 PM
yep ))

Socket, do you know where I can get a photo of it? I mean I cut this one from a wallpaper. But I saw Safin's one - looked like his own, not group.. Maybe it was cut out too, but anyways.. Maybe there's a bigger version somewhere?

Socket
03-02-2005, 12:31 AM
yep ))

Socket, do you know where I can get a photo of it? I mean I cut this one from a wallpaper. But I saw Safin's one - looked like his own, not group.. Maybe it was cut out too, but anyways.. Maybe there's a bigger version somewhere?
Sorry, the only place I've ever seen the photo was on the ATP site. It might buried somewhere in the archives on the site.

SleepySkaters
03-02-2005, 03:59 PM
Sorry, the only place I've ever seen the photo was on the ATP site. It might buried somewhere in the archives on the site.

Heee, thanks )))

Gonzo Hates Me!
05-10-2005, 03:53 AM
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BUMP :D

graffiti
05-10-2005, 07:26 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol:


erm, MAYBE :bolt: