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The "Still Angry! Still Love Potatos! Still love the Lleyki Double!" Thread


KaseyL
10-30-2002, 02:09 PM
a quick hi and bye Clare! Hope all is okay :wavey:

Scotso
10-30-2002, 02:32 PM
yay my package from Eric came today :bounce:

Scotso
10-30-2002, 03:24 PM
Yay it's so wonderful. I'm so happy now.

But, alas, I have to go work on some of my minging homework. I've put it off long enough.

:wavey:

freakske
10-30-2002, 05:42 PM
:wavey: anyone here??
*olli was 4-1 up in the third set against canas but now it's 6-5* :mad: breaaaakkk!!!*

freakske
10-30-2002, 05:53 PM
noooo!! :sad: olli mp wasted now tiebreak..
I have a question for anyone who read this :p.. did kims mother have cancer?
I was just talking with ùy mother about els because last year she was in the hospital and my mother isa nurse and had to take care of her.. and that was around the 11th september and kim called to her mother and was crying and screaming because she was sooo afraid to take a plane to or from tokyo.. but probably y'all already knew that..

freakske
10-30-2002, 05:56 PM
damn olli lost..
btw I asked you taht because my mother won't tell me why els was there but probably someone of you know that?

pinkie
10-30-2002, 06:08 PM
Well, I know that Kim's mom had cancer, but I don't know when she was treated for that. For some reason, I thought it was longer than 1 year ago. Ingrid would know. Not sure if it matters; the family probably wants to keep that stuff private.

freakske
10-30-2002, 06:10 PM
yeah but I was just wondering because I thought I was the only person that didn't know that.. but ok it seems like it isn't so ok! thank you :wavey:

Scotso
10-30-2002, 07:00 PM
I'm posting from my new computer! :D

Yay! :D

What a good day. Eric's sweet package and my new computer. Too bad Eric isn't having a good day.

I'm so pissed at his doctor and father. I convinced him to go because he's been depressed and the doctor determined that YES, he IS depressed. A chemical imbalance. BUT HE DIDN'T GIVE ERIC ANY PRESCRIPTIONS. HELLO, MORON! If someone is depressed because of something chemical you give them medication! He told Eric that he should come back next semester if he's still depressed. I wonder how many people have killed themselves during his waiting period. Asshole. He should be banned from practicing medicine.

Scotso
10-30-2002, 07:01 PM
Ferrero's getting his ass kicked.

How did Paradorn suddenly get so good? Can you say "steroids"?

Angele
10-30-2002, 07:03 PM
:wavey:

Els :( I hope everything is ok with her... and I assume it must be since we haven't heard anything and that hospital visit would of been over a year ago... probably just a routine check up like Jilli said :)

And I feel bad for Kim... I think I would of been too scared to fly right after September 11th :(

Angele
10-30-2002, 07:04 PM
I have no idea which hole Paradon crawled out of lately but he should crawl right back in :mad:

And that's odd that Eric's doctor didn't give him a prescription :confused: But I'm glad you got his package :D

zanychick
10-30-2002, 07:06 PM
hey :wavey:

Angele
10-30-2002, 07:07 PM
Clare!!! :wavey:

zanychick
10-30-2002, 07:10 PM
how is everyone?

Scotso
10-30-2002, 07:11 PM
Yes, Jilli.

Angele
10-30-2002, 07:12 PM
I'm good :) Our class went skating today :bounce: I used to be in figure skating but I quit like 3 years ago and hadn't skated since :o I was so shocked that I could still skate after those years lol... And I could even still do my spins and some simple jumps :D

How are you?

Scotso
10-30-2002, 07:12 PM
right now to try to cheer him up I'm rewritting the song "Complicated" to "Constipated"

Scotso
10-30-2002, 07:14 PM
this is what I have so far:

I'm so scared that the way that I feel is written all over my face
When I walk into the bathroom I just wanna quicken the pace
I used to poo, I used to crap, I used to leave some do do.
But now it seems nothing I do can make me come unglued.

It's such a complication
Do I sit or squat
It feels like a contraction
Oh, the way I need to shit

I'm so constipated
I'm so frustrated,
I wanna sit, I wanna shit,
I wanna make it go, I wanna make it flow.
Should I push it?
Should I squeeze me insides?
Oh, I want you to know, but then again I don't,
I'm so constipated

Angele
10-30-2002, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by GoLleyt
this is what I have so far:

I'm so scared that the way that I feel is written all over my face
When I walk into the bathroom I just wanna quicken the pace
I used to poo, I used to crap, I used to leave some do do.
But now it seems nothing I do can make me come unglued.

It's such a complication
Do I sit or squat
It feels like a contraction
Oh, the way I need to shit

I'm so constipated
I'm so frustrated,
I wanna sit, I wanna shit,
I wanna make it go, I wanna make it flow.
Should I push it?
Should I squeeze me insides?
Oh, I want you to know, but then again I don't,
I'm so constipated

LMAO :o

Scotso
10-30-2002, 07:20 PM
:D the things I do for love.


I'm so scared that the way that I feel is written all over my face
When I walk into the bathroom I just wanna quicken the pace
I used to poo, I used to crap, I used to leave some do do.
But now it seems nothing I do can make me come unglued.

It's such a complication
Do I sit or squat
It feels like a contraction
Oh, the way I need to shit

I'm so constipated
I'm so frustrated,
I wanna sit, I wanna shit,
I wanna make it go, I wanna make it flow.
Should I push it?
Should I squeeze me insides?
Oh, I want you to know, but then again I don't,
I'm so constipated

Just when I think it's under control, I think it's finally on it's way
My insides lock up and the poo ain't comin' out.
I say it's more than just some bowels, I say it must be hell.
Well, I admit that I've tried everything but I just can't cool it down.
Oh, it's so painful,
Yeah, I should just confess.
But think of what I'd be losing,
If they had to drain my ass!

I'm so constipated
I'm so frustrated,
I wanna sit, I wanna shit,
I wanna make it go, I wanna make it flow.
Should I push it?
Should I squeeze me insides?
Oh, I want you to know, but then again I don't,
I'm so constipated

I hate it
Cause I've waited so long for a good turd.
What should I do?

Oh, Should I push it?
Should I scream out in pain?
Oh, I want you to know, but then again I don't.
I'm so constipated.

I'm so constipated.
I'm so constipated.

Angele
10-30-2002, 07:20 PM
You're great Scott :D :kiss:

zanychick
10-30-2002, 07:20 PM
lol, there was a version of Complicated as Constipated on the radio here but i cant remember what it went like, I was good but am annoyed with MSN because it wont let me sign in

Angele
10-30-2002, 07:21 PM
MSN isn't working for me either :fiery:

Scotso
10-30-2002, 07:25 PM
There was, eh? Pf, well my version is better I'm sure :D

Scotso
10-30-2002, 07:25 PM
My computer is so fast! :D

Angele
10-30-2002, 07:26 PM
Pfff I've got an old crappy computer :p

Angele
10-30-2002, 07:27 PM
The Raptors play their first game tonight :D :bounce:

Scotso
10-30-2002, 07:27 PM
It like totally set itself up, too. It was amazing. It even set up my cable modem on it's own!

:kiss: Dell :kiss:

Angele
10-30-2002, 07:34 PM
I want a new computer :sad:

Scotso
10-30-2002, 07:38 PM
Tell your daddy :p

Angele
10-30-2002, 07:39 PM
I've been whinning for a new computer for two years and he's been promising to build me a new one soon but he never does :mad:

Scotso
10-30-2002, 07:44 PM
Tell him you won't eat unless he does it :angel:

Angele
10-30-2002, 07:48 PM
I don't think that would bother him too much :p

Angele
10-30-2002, 07:50 PM
And btw pfff at you not being impressed by my ability to skate :p

Scotso
10-30-2002, 07:53 PM
:eek:

brb :p

Angele
10-30-2002, 07:57 PM
Pff, dont be gone too long :p

Scotso
10-30-2002, 08:03 PM
Back :angel:

Angele
10-30-2002, 08:06 PM
Thank you ;) :p

Angele
10-30-2002, 08:07 PM
So come on, tell the truth :p My ability to still skate ( and jump and spin :p ) after 3 years is impressive :D

Scotso
10-30-2002, 08:09 PM
I'm trying to restore my mp3s now :p

Angele
10-30-2002, 08:12 PM
I need to get rid of some mp3s :p I have so many that I don't listen to :o And plus there's my father's oldie crap that could go too :D

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 08:12 PM
hi! :wavey:

Scotso
10-30-2002, 08:13 PM
can you do triples :eek:

brb again, I'm working on my dad's computer now

Angele
10-30-2002, 08:16 PM
I can't do triples lol... I can't even do doubles :p I think I might of landed a double salchow when I was still skating but I sure as hell can't do that anymore... remember, I haven't skated for 3 years :p But I was pretty impressed that I could still spin and do the easiest simple jumps :p

Angele
10-30-2002, 08:16 PM
Hi Ingrid :wavey:

How are you?

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 08:21 PM
in a need to borrow Marly's gun again, Angele... :mad:

besides that I had some hectic days, even couldn't watch Kim's match on Sunday... I am catching up on things today

Knockers LaBroad
10-30-2002, 08:22 PM
Hela!:wavey:
Congrats to Lleyton for yesterday!:bounce:

I'm watching football, but I'm way toooo nervous.
My fav scored their first goal in CL!

Knockers LaBroad
10-30-2002, 08:24 PM
Ingrid, I taped the match, if you want to...
I know the adress now!;):)

Scotso
10-30-2002, 08:24 PM
Impressive still. When I went to New York with friends I skated for the first time ever in central park. Of course, I was a natural.

Angele
10-30-2002, 08:26 PM
Some more annoying people? :fiery: :fiery: I'm just Marly will be more than happy to lend you her gun though ;) :)

I hope you work things out soon cuz I'd hate to see you get stressed out :(

Angele
10-30-2002, 08:26 PM
Hi Elke :wavey:

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 08:27 PM
thanks elke, I taped it too, and got very lucky as I wasn't at home and our electricity went down for at least one hour due to the storms on Sunday, but I got Kim's match on tape, thank god!

The only thing I found out on Sunday was that Kim took the title again! :)

Scotso
10-30-2002, 08:27 PM
I just had to kill another mouse that my cat brought in :rolleyes:

Angele
10-30-2002, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by GoLleyt
Impressive still. When I went to New York with friends I skated for the first time ever in central park. Of course, I was a natural.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I've always wanted to go skating in central park :( And are you just great at everything? Pfff :p

Angele
10-30-2002, 08:28 PM
:mad: The scoreboard at the TMS Paris site is frozen :fiery:

Angele
10-30-2002, 08:29 PM
Nevermind, the other scores are updating just not the score of Andy's match :mad: I hope he's not injured again :rolleyes:

Scotso
10-30-2002, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by angele87
:eek: :eek: :eek:

I've always wanted to go skating in central park :( And are you just great at everything? Pfff :p

I have some beautiful pictures I took from the skating area, I'll scan them and post them sometime soon if you want. It was fun, very croweded and cold though.

You should go. Just go now, tell your family bye and go ;) That's what I did... hehe.

Angele
10-30-2002, 08:37 PM
What do you want me to do? Walk to New York? :p Anyways definetly scan your pictures... I bet their beautiful :D

I gotta go... see y'all later :wavey:

Murkofan
10-30-2002, 08:37 PM
OMFG.

Have I ever mentioned how stupid people in my school are? I just sat through an entire period of volleyball and football players bickering back and forth over who's team was better and would go farther in the playoffs. :rolleyes:

If I was the ruler of the world, I'd make 16 the cut-off age. If you can be mature and act like an adult, great, all power to ya. If not, I shoot you and dump your bodies in mass unmarked graves.

Scotso
10-30-2002, 08:42 PM
LMAO Marly. We discussed something like that in Modern Ideologies the other day... having the stupid kids sit in radioactive chairs so they become sterile :angel:

:wavey: Angele :kiss:

Murkofan
10-30-2002, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by angele87
Some more annoying people? :fiery: :fiery: I'm just Marly will be more than happy to lend you her gun though ;) :)


No no, I never lend out my guns.

However, I would be more than happy to shoot anyone that any of y'all deem worthy to be filled full of buckshot. :D I'm in the mood for it, too. :fiery:

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by freakske
noooo!! :sad: olli mp wasted now tiebreak..
I have a question for anyone who read this :p.. did kims mother have cancer?
I was just talking with ùy mother about els because last year she was in the hospital and my mother isa nurse and had to take care of her.. and that was around the 11th september and kim called to her mother and was crying and screaming because she was sooo afraid to take a plane to or from tokyo.. but probably y'all already knew that..

Kim's mom had liver cancer, which is a very nasty cancer. She had surgery in 99, when Kim played Wimbledon. (I think it was a transplant, but I might be wrong, don't quote me on the transplant)
I don't know how things developed afterwards. When I last saw her in February (I was sitting close to her) she looked really fine imo.

Murkofan
10-30-2002, 08:46 PM
Making stupid people sterile. That sounds heavenly. :D

Too bad it flies in the face of our Constitution. :p

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by angele87
Some more annoying people? :fiery: :fiery: I'm just Marly will be more than happy to lend you her gun though ;) :)

I hope you work things out soon cuz I'd hate to see you get stressed out :(

I am working on it, but I am still in the mood to kick a few people...

Scotso
10-30-2002, 08:47 PM
brb to post fmtt results :p

Murkofan
10-30-2002, 08:48 PM
All types of cancer are nasty. :p

And don't kick them, Ingrid, shoot them! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 08:49 PM
Hi Marly!

but :eek: at your drastic solutions!
:p

Murkofan
10-30-2002, 08:51 PM
Pfff, you think that's drastic? You must not've heard my mass genocide solution to the problems in the Middle East. :p

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 08:51 PM
not all types of cancer are as nasty, and liver cancer is really a very dangerous one

Murkofan
10-30-2002, 08:53 PM
There's a safe kind of cancer? :p

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Marly
There's a safe kind of cancer? :p

don't be daft :rolleyes: :p

there are very lethal cancers, and some are less dangerous, OK? :rolleyes:

Murkofan
10-30-2002, 08:57 PM
*shoots Ingrid for being uppity* :D :p

Murkofan
10-30-2002, 08:58 PM
Ingrid, you need to change your sig. It's getting boring. :p

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 08:59 PM
*slaps Marly for acting like a moron* :p

sorry Marly, seriously, I am not in the mood to start funny about cancer right now

Murkofan
10-30-2002, 09:01 PM
Pfff, moron. :rolleyes: I prefer the term "ass." :p

So.......what kind of bee's in your bonnet? Who do I need to kill?

Static
10-30-2002, 09:02 PM
HE BEAT SUSHI!!!!! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

Scotso
10-30-2002, 09:02 PM
FMTT results posted :rolleyes:

Static
10-30-2002, 09:04 PM
Alejandro Hernandez (MEX) d. Marco Chiudinelli (SUI) 6-3 6-1 :fiery: AIYA!!!!!!

Scotso
10-30-2002, 09:04 PM
I hate Paradorn.

Murkofan
10-30-2002, 09:04 PM
Ana, no senseless posts allowed, sorry. :p

Scotso
10-30-2002, 09:05 PM
Alejandro :eek: :D :(

Murkofan
10-30-2002, 09:07 PM
I think we should all go on a mass shooting spree.

Static
10-30-2002, 09:08 PM
Scott can understand my posts :o It's not my fault you can't :p
I get it why I don't hate him yet... Paradorn looks like a friend of mine... actually... only he's from Hong Kong... and he's like 1/8th Japanese :o ... so yeah maybe Paradorn has some mixed blood?

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Marly
I think we should all go on a mass shooting spree.

LOL good idea!

and Hi Ana! :wavey:

Murkofan
10-30-2002, 09:10 PM
Who cares if he has mixed blood? :p I've got mixed blood.

And honestly, why do you expect me understand something like "HE BEAT SUSHI!"? :p

Static
10-30-2002, 09:10 PM
Ello Ingrid :wavey:
How are you on this very fine shooting day?

Static
10-30-2002, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Marly
Who cares if he has mixed blood? :p I've got mixed blood.

And honestly, why do you expect me understand something like "HE BEAT SUSHI!"? :p

Well everyone knows who SUSHI is... it's Ferrero... for god sakes... cold fish! Think Marly think! Where are your making connection skills? :p

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 09:11 PM
so sad about Oli, second time he loses a match in a tie break, it was so close again... :sad:

Scotso
10-30-2002, 09:12 PM
No shooting sprees.

Let's go get chinese food instead :drool:

Scotso
10-30-2002, 09:13 PM
gotta restart brb

Static
10-30-2002, 09:13 PM
Chinese food is good :D
Oli would have faced Paradorn if he would have won... right?

Murkofan
10-30-2002, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Static


Well everyone knows who SUSHI is... it's Ferrero... for god sakes... cold fish! Think Marly think! Where are your making connection skills? :p

Htf do you make the connection from sushi/dead fish to Ferrero? :p

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Static
Ello Ingrid :wavey:
How are you on this very fine shooting day?

I must admit in a mood to shoot a few :o :p

Murkofan
10-30-2002, 09:14 PM
Oh, but I WANT to go on a shooting spree! I could myself of all the stupid people in my school! :D

Of course, I'd be one of about a dozen students left, but hey, big deal. :p

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by Peridotpixie
I would think any cancer that requires a transplant of such a crucial organ ( And I believe you were right about the transplant, Ingrid, I remember reading it) would be extremely dangerous, since transplants in general are very risky even without the cancer.
I have a family friend who recently died in a very similar situation.
Cancers like Hodgkin's disease, some forms of leukemia, and breat cancer caught very early are considerably easier to treat. Not to say that they're not horrible and painful, but the chance to live is generally much greater.

Hi Jilli! :wavey:

I so agree with you, and unfortunately I am speaking out of experience :sad:

Murkofan
10-30-2002, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by KaseyL


I must admit in a mood to shoot a few :o :p

Yeah, we get that. :p So are you gonna tell us what's up or not? :p

Static
10-30-2002, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Marly


Htf do you make the connection fro sushi/dead fish to Ferrero? :p

Well everyone calls Ferrero cold fish :o Because he plays like one. I would assume you would know such basics. And getting from cold fish to sushi is pretty easy, HONESTLY! :p

Ingrid you should shoot one of those evil things... and promote bunnies :D

Murkofan
10-30-2002, 09:19 PM
WHY does everyone call Ferrero cold fish? And what do you mean, he plays like a cold fish? You know I don't pay attention to anyone besides Lleyton, Pim Pim and Ollie. :p

Enough will all the cancer talk. It's bad, we know that, yadda yadda. Let's move on to something different. Like.....ANGER. And SHOOTING STUPID PEOPLE. :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Marly


Yeah, we get that. :p So are you gonna tell us what's up or not? :p

it's a long list, some things where people went out of line, but that's nothing compared to two cases of cancer (and very bad ones) of people dear to me right now...

Static
10-30-2002, 09:21 PM
If I remind some of the most coldest experience from sushi there... Scott will shoot me :o But yeah FO final... that was a good example of a cold fish :o
And how am I supose to know that you don't pay attention to anything but what you have listed. I just think that you would have some more background knowledge on other players :p

Anger and stupid people, some one has anger management problems :D :o

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by Static
Ingrid you should shoot one of those evil things... and promote bunnies :D

LOL Ana you and your bunnies! :p ;)

Static
10-30-2002, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by KaseyL


it's a long list, some things where people went out of line, but that's nothing compared to two cases of cancer (and very bad ones) of people dear to me right now...

Awww Ingrid that's so sad to hear :( I hope they will be alright :sad:

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 09:23 PM
thanks Ana but it doesn't look like it, the way things are right now...

Peridotpixie
10-30-2002, 09:24 PM
Oh, Ingrid, I'm so sorry to hear that.
I hope they will be well taken care of, whatever happens.

Static
10-30-2002, 09:25 PM
Awww Ingrid don't be so depressed things will look up... everything will turn out right :)

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 09:29 PM
thanks Jilli, they both get good care, but it looks really far from promising, both are spread out cancers...
my cousin is the worst in fact, as she has been battling leukemia for some years now, and now I heard on Friday night that they have found kidney cancer too...
my aunt is battling breast cancer, but it's spread in her body too, they have found out way too late

Scotso
10-30-2002, 09:30 PM
Eric is sending me ALL of his MP3s It's great 'cuz I sent him all of my favorites :D

I'll have my mp3s back :D

But pfff, I can't get Quattro Pro to work :fiery:

pinkie
10-30-2002, 09:31 PM
:wavey: :wavey: all

and a special :kiss: to Ingrid

Static
10-30-2002, 09:32 PM
That's so horrible Ingrid :(

Gah I 'm sorry to leave at a bad time... but yeah I have to go bye bye all :wavey:

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 09:32 PM
great news for you, scott!
nice of him!
But I'd take backups now, just in case.

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 09:33 PM
bye Ana! and thanks again! :kiss:

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 09:34 PM
hi Tine! thanks!

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 09:35 PM
elke, are you still here?

Knockers LaBroad
10-30-2002, 09:35 PM
:sad: Ingrid, hope things work out and you'll find the courage to come through this bad period!

Real lost (AGAIN)!!:fiery: Why can't they just win? It would make things less complicated (and easier for Genk)!

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 09:37 PM
elke, thanks a lot!

wanted to tell you I just read in Knack about that Urbanus strip album you were telling about some days ago

Knockers LaBroad
10-30-2002, 09:41 PM
What did they say in Knack? worth buying?
Is it an article about Kim? Or just a tiny bit?

Scotso
10-30-2002, 09:43 PM
I plan on it, Ingrid ;)

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 09:44 PM
def. not saying that we should buy it, no

they didn't mention Kim in particular: said it was almost every famous Flemish person figuring naked in it.

a sec, I'll translate a summary it for everyone here

Scotso
10-30-2002, 09:45 PM
be back later :D :p

Knockers LaBroad
10-30-2002, 09:48 PM
Thanx very much! You are a walking info board, Ingrid!! :kiss:

pinkie
10-30-2002, 09:49 PM
I never liked Urbanus comic books. Just don't think they're funny. Do you guys plan scanning it in the book store to see how he depicts Kim?

Angele
10-30-2002, 09:50 PM
:wavey:

I'm back :p

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 09:51 PM
they wrote that the author was on a vacation mentally speaking, when he worked on this album,

that they had delivered "stories" with as many as possible famous Flemish people in the nude, and with a level of humour that to the author's standards was especially "hot" re the sexual level,
they also said that the stuff would appear in series in Ché (for the non-Flemish, a male magazine).

Knockers LaBroad
10-30-2002, 09:56 PM
I was too curious and went to the bookshop to look...:o
(very low, I know) but Kims pic wasn't perv. everything was pretty much covered. But I read much better strips(KIEKEBOE!!)
But I hope Kim or Lei didn't hear about it.

Angele
10-30-2002, 09:58 PM
So are these pictures like actual Kim pictures or just cartoons?

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 09:58 PM
cont:

Knack writes that all famous Flemish are in it, no one seems to escape the 'treatment', prince Filip and all, and evryone is portrayed in embarassing to painful situations

wrapping it up, they say it's of the level of drunken bar humour
which you best read when you're rather drunk yourself.

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 10:00 PM
they are cartoons, Angele

I don't think Kim would ever allow any nude pics, not like some of the other people figuring in this "comic" btw

Knockers LaBroad
10-30-2002, 10:01 PM
thank God, they are only cartoons! Pics, don't even wanna think about the reactions...
Even when I'm drunk, my level won't fall that deep, at least I hope!

Angele
10-30-2002, 10:02 PM
I know Kim would never pose nude but i'm sure they'd have their way of making it appear that way... using somebody's elses body or coloring in or something :o

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 10:04 PM
I hope so too, Elke! Geee

All to make sure his crap sells!

I haven't checked out the thing yet, def. not going to buy it, they say in Knack it costs € 5.45, and the luxury version € 49.95 pffff can better throw my money in the gutter then!

:mad:

I am glad Kim isn't portrayed too nude in this then, pfff

Can you agree with Knack, Elke? as you have seen it?

Angele
10-30-2002, 10:06 PM
Well i'm glad it's just cartoon and that everything is covered... could be a lot worse!

Knockers LaBroad
10-30-2002, 10:09 PM
I expected it much worse, to tell the truth. Nothing wrong, (in this situation) she didn't even belong in the story.
And with those 50 Euros, I would save it and go to Antwerp next year, much better spending!
Thanx for the idea!:)

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 10:12 PM
thanks for your feedback, elke

so Kim is still better off (if I can put it this way) than most of the other famous Flemish people, then?

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by Elke
I expected it much worse, to tell the truth. Nothing wrong, (in this situation) she didn't even belong in the story.
And with those 50 Euros, I would save it and go to Antwerp next year, much better spending!
Thanx for the idea!:)

that's better spent than on Urbanus :D

Knockers LaBroad
10-30-2002, 10:17 PM
I think he's a fan!!:rolleyes::)

I'm off, have an early day tomorrow!
Have a great day or night or whatever!

Ingrid, veel sterkte en moed, tzal wel lukken!:kiss:

Bebye!! :wavey:

Mazza
10-30-2002, 10:17 PM
Italian boys are fucking ugly! :p

Oh and I was blessed by the Pope today! :D :p

Ellllllloooo!! :wavey: ARE THEY ENGAGED YET????!!!!! C'MON!! I DUNNO WHATS HAPPENING ANYMORE!!! :o :sad: :p

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 10:18 PM
yes, a fan like that *** Brusselmans :rolleyes:

thanks Elke! slaap wel, 'k ben ook bijna weg!

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 10:20 PM
hi Marie!

Angele
10-30-2002, 10:21 PM
:wavey: Elke!

MAZZA!!!

Angele
10-30-2002, 10:24 PM
How was your trip Mazza? And nope, no engagements :( But some cute new articles in which Kim talks about Lleyton :D ( at least I think they came out after you left lol) :kiss:

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by angele87
How was your trip Mazza? And nope, no engagements :( But some cute new articles in which Kim talks about Lleyton :D ( at least I think they came out after you left lol) :kiss:

no wedding stuff but plenty of excuses from Kim, though :p

You should visit CCL, you'll find the lot there! :angel: ;)

Mazza
10-30-2002, 10:31 PM
My trip was goooood!! :D I'll write u a mini report tomorrow but im throughlly dissapointed with Italian boys I tell ya!! :( :p

Oooooohhh!! Articles!! pffft! at Kimmie! :p excuses excuses!! I'll go check them out!! :D

Angele
10-30-2002, 10:33 PM
Ingrid, did you see the new article I posted today? Seems Kim has been thinking of an excuse that we can't fix ( like we could with the wedding planning) :mad: :p

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 10:34 PM
mazza, it's in the thread started by Tine (pinkie), new Kim interviews

Angele
10-30-2002, 10:34 PM
I'm glad you had a good time Mazza :D And pfff at guys :p Come to Canada, we have hot guys here :D

Angele
10-30-2002, 10:35 PM
And I posted one in the week of October 28th thread :D

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 10:39 PM
I've seen it now Angele, thanks!

pff at Kim

Angele
10-30-2002, 10:40 PM
I just checked the schedule of play for tomorrow and I think I might be getting Lleyton on tv :D :D

Angele
10-30-2002, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by KaseyL
I've seen it now Angele, thanks!

pff at Kim

She's smart though isn't she with the new excuse lol

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 10:44 PM
pff, not quite so, as if they aren't spending most of their free time together :rolleyes:

I say lame excuse

Angele
10-30-2002, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by KaseyL
pff, not quite so, as if they aren't spending most of their free time together :rolleyes:

I say lame excuse

I think she'd just like to have more time to spend with Lleyton but it's still a lame excuse because what's the difference between dating and not seeing much of each other or being married and not seeing much of each other :confused: Granted I've never been married but it can't be too different lol... they spend every single minute of their free time together anyway and when they're together they live together and everything so basically i'm a bit :confused:

Mazza
10-30-2002, 10:52 PM
Awwwww!! Cute articles!! :D :hearts: pffffft! at Kim!! :p "We are both to busy!" pfffft! :p




Thats SO old now, Kim! :p

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 10:54 PM
mazza, at least she now admits they have been discussing marriage :p

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 10:57 PM
Angele, I don't see a difference either

KIm has to come up with better reasons :p

Mazza
10-30-2002, 10:57 PM
Kim?! :confused: Well she's probaly keeping everything hush hush and denying that she wants to get married now!! I mean she always goes on about how she can't wait to get married!! I doesnt add up Kim, dear!! :p

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by Ms Bogdanovic
Kim?! :confused: Well she's probaly keeping everything hush hush and denying that she wants to get married now!! I mean she always goes on about how she can't wait to get married!! I doesnt add up Kim, dear!! :p

You're so right Mazza :D They should just get married, that would shut everybody up :angel: And the way she talks in her interviews it not's "if" they get married it's "when" :hearts:

Puss-in-Boots
10-30-2002, 11:05 PM
:wavey: everyone! :)

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by angele87


You're so right Mazza :D They should just get married, that would shut everybody up :angel: And the way she talks in her interviews it not's "if" they get married it's "when" :hearts:

indeed, but they aren't engaged, you know, really! :rolleyes:

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 11:06 PM
hi allan! how are you?

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by KaseyL


indeed, but they aren't engaged, you know, really! :rolleyes:

I hadn't even thought of that lol

Of so now that I'm thinking about this, they should definetly get engaged now :D because i'm sure they have enough time to get engaged :rolleyes: :p

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:09 PM
Allan :wavey:

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 11:14 PM
tsts Angele, they don't have time for that, and where to ask the question and all, really, no time

:p

Scotso
10-30-2002, 11:15 PM
hi

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by KaseyL
tsts Angele, they don't have time for that, and where to ask the question and all, really, no time

:p


LMAO :D

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:17 PM
Scott :kiss:

Puss-in-Boots
10-30-2002, 11:18 PM
Hi everyone! :) I'm good thanks!

Unfortunately, it's now allergy season here for me, but besides that I'm fine.

Scotso
10-30-2002, 11:18 PM
I'm bored.

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 11:19 PM
ow Allan, allergies :( take care of you

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:20 PM
That's too bad Allan :( I feel for you as your allergies but feel about the same as my cold at the moment

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:21 PM
Scott do you have TSN? I doubt it :p But if you do you could watch the Raptor's game in a half hour :D

Scotso
10-30-2002, 11:22 PM
TSN is Canadian :p

Puss-in-Boots
10-30-2002, 11:24 PM
Thanks Ingrid :) It's not too bad once I take some medication. I wish those damn pills were cheaper though! :p

KaseyL
10-30-2002, 11:26 PM
I need to be off now! bye y'all!

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by GoLleyt
TSN is Canadian :p

So :p We get American channels :D

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:28 PM
:wavey: Ingrid!

Puss-in-Boots
10-30-2002, 11:28 PM
:wavey: Ingrid! :)

Scotso
10-30-2002, 11:38 PM
You get American channels because you don't have your own :p

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:40 PM
Pfff we have our own channels :mad:

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:41 PM
Scott, you have like 2000 more posts than me :p

Scotso
10-30-2002, 11:44 PM
I'm speshul :D

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by GoLleyt
I'm speshul :D

We have a class at school for kids like that :p

Scotso
10-30-2002, 11:51 PM
pffffffffffffffffffff

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:51 PM
Did you check out the schedule of play for tomorrow? Think we'll get to see a bit of Lleyton? *crosses fingers*

Scotso
10-30-2002, 11:52 PM
:hearts: Eric :hearts:

Scotso
10-30-2002, 11:52 PM
Of course we won't :p

Scotso
10-30-2002, 11:53 PM
:hearts:

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by GoLleyt
pffffffffffffffffffff

But I love you anyway :D :kiss:

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:55 PM
He's cute but not as hot as you :p

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by GoLleyt
Of course we won't :p

Pfff don't say that :mad: :p

Angele
10-30-2002, 11:59 PM
My friend just spend a half hour stressing over a math problem that I solved in 2 minutes with the calculater on the comptuer :o

Scotso
10-30-2002, 11:59 PM
He's cuter than me... I'm ugly :sad:

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:01 AM
Don't say that Scott :( You're a hottie :hearts:

Scotso
10-31-2002, 12:01 AM
You need smarter friends :p

Scotso
10-31-2002, 12:03 AM
Let's not talk about my minging looks please :o

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:04 AM
Will you stop Scott? You're hot :D

The basketball game just started :bounce: :bounce: It's on ESPN Scott, turn it on :p

zanychick
10-31-2002, 12:07 AM
hi - there Angele, you can die happy :D

Scotso
10-31-2002, 12:08 AM
Go Washington :D

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by zanychick
hi - there Angele, you can die happy :D

Pfff :p Are you making fun of me? :p

zanychick
10-31-2002, 12:10 AM
lol, me? never

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by GoLleyt
Go Washington :D

*slap* :mad:

zanychick
10-31-2002, 12:11 AM
I am so nearly on 500 posts so I just might post 3 times to round me up

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:12 AM
Well whatever it takes to get you posting Clare :p

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:12 AM
Vince :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

zanychick
10-31-2002, 12:13 AM
Who is Vince?

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:15 AM
Vince Carter, he plays for the Raptors ( basketball team)

He's gorgeous :hearts: :hearts:

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:16 AM
Micheal Jordan :rolleyes:

zanychick
10-31-2002, 12:16 AM
ok, thats like a foreign language to me but i'll nod and pretend

Murkofan
10-31-2002, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by GoLleyt
Go Washington :D

I second that. :D

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Marly


I second that. :D

Oh you guys suck... I cheered for the Braves all season with y'all so you should cheer for the Raptors!

GO RAPTORS :bounce:

Murkofan
10-31-2002, 12:18 AM
Pffffff, the Prick won. :rolleyes:

zanychick
10-31-2002, 12:20 AM
I dont know who the Raptors are but apparently I support them :bounce: GO RAPTORS :bounce:

Murkofan
10-31-2002, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by angele87


Oh you guys suck... I cheered for the Braves all season with y'all

So? :p

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by zanychick
I dont know who the Raptors are but apparently I support them :bounce: GO RAPTORS :bounce:

Thank you my dear :D :kiss:

Scotso
10-31-2002, 12:25 AM
You didn't mean it, though, you closet Giants fan :fiery:

At least we stab in the front! :p

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:26 AM
Vince :drool: :lick:

Murkofan
10-31-2002, 12:26 AM
LMAO Scott :D

Murkofan
10-31-2002, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by angele87
Vince :drool: :lick:

Oh please. :rolleyes:

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by GoLleyt
You didn't mean it, though, you closet Giants fan :fiery:

At least we stab in the front! :p

I meant it in the regular season beacuse I'm not terribly into baseball and I love y'all so I was supporting the Braves because of that :p But I'll admit, when they were playing the Giants I was secretly rooting for the Giants :o

Scotso
10-31-2002, 12:34 AM
The horror of it all :fiery:

At least we know who we can trust now, Marly :p Certainly not your padawan.

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:34 AM
The Sixers are winning too at the moment :D But barely :o

Murkofan
10-31-2002, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by GoLleyt
The horror of it all :fiery:

At least we know who we can trust now, Marly :p Certainly not your padawan.

I'm starting to question her loyalty myself. :o

Scotso
10-31-2002, 12:39 AM
go Sixers :D

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by GoLleyt
The horror of it all :fiery:

At least we know who we can trust now, Marly :p Certainly not your padawan.

You guys are mean :mad: I cheered for the Braves the entire regular season for y'all :mad:

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:45 AM
Originally posted by GoLleyt
go Sixers :D

Well at least you're cheering for them :D :kiss:

Murkofan
10-31-2002, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by angele87


You guys are mean :mad: I cheered for the Braves the entire regular season for y'all :mad:

Again....so? :p

Scotso
10-31-2002, 12:50 AM
I hate Iverson though. I like Raja Bell :D

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Marly


Again....so? :p

:rolleyes:

zanychick
10-31-2002, 12:52 AM
again, just for you Angele - :bounce: GO RAPTORS :bounce: :bounce: GO SIXERS :bounce: One day I might even find out who they are

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by GoLleyt
I hate Iverson though. I like Raja Bell :D

I used to love Iverson but after this summer and the whole thing with his wife and the gun and everything well I'm not so sure lol

Angele
10-31-2002, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by zanychick
again, just for you Angele - :bounce: GO RAPTORS :bounce: :bounce: GO SIXERS :bounce: One day I might even find out who they are

Thanks Clare :D :kiss:

Murkofan
10-31-2002, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by angele87


I used to love Iverson but after this summer and the whole thing with his wife and the gun and everything well I'm not so sure lol

Only "not so sure"? :rolleyes:

Angele
10-31-2002, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Marly


Only "not so sure"? :rolleyes:


Well he was cleared of all the charges and the guys that "saw" the gun actually just saw a bulge in his jacket or something like that :confused:

zanychick
10-31-2002, 01:18 AM
What happened with a gun? Sorry but all the exciting stuff happens in America or the surroundings

Angele
10-31-2002, 01:21 AM
Originally posted by zanychick
What happened with a gun? Sorry but all the exciting stuff happens in America or the surroundings

Well supposedly Iverson and his wife has a fight and she left so he went looking for her and his cousin's house or something and these guys said they saw a gun but actually they later admitted that the just saw a bulge in his jacket that looked like a gun or something :rolleyes: And he was charged with I don't remember what but they were all dropped!

Scotso
10-31-2002, 01:22 AM
Maybe he just has a really big dick.

zanychick
10-31-2002, 01:23 AM
ok, and to risk sounding even more stupid, who is Iverson?

Angele
10-31-2002, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by GoLleyt
Maybe he just has a really big dick. .

Yeah that's a possibility too :D

Murkofan
10-31-2002, 01:25 AM
Not-So-Super Superstate
A bad thing gets bigger.

By Hugo Gurdon

"Yes" means yes and "no" means maybe — at least that's so among Europe's new masters. Which is ironic, because the continental bien pensants would shudder if they heard this excuse for harassment and manipulative control in another circumstance. But when it is only democracy that's getting screwed, they don't mind a bit.

Which brings us to why Americans should care about this month's Irish referendum ratifying the Treaty of Nice. Its supporters, including American newspapers that should have known better, appeared to believe that all the treaty did was admit ten former Communist countries to the European Union. This was seen as a triumph — recently freed nations joining what purported to be the democratic, free-market fold.

The truth, however, is very different. What really happened was that the European Union moved past the tipping point beyond which its development into an anti-democratic, anti-American, anti-free market superstate ceases to be an uphill struggle and becomes a downhill gallop.

The EU has admitted new member countries three times since the Irish joined in 1973, but this was the first time Ireland needed a referendum. That's because Irish law demands that voters give their permission before sovereignty is drained from their national parliament. And the Treaty of Nice — named after the French resort town where it was drafted — involves a massive transfer of power away from the people of Europe and their elected representatives to an unelected authority in Brussels.

You may object — how can a referendum be undemocratic? Here's how. The Irish already voted, 16 months ago, to reject Nice. But only "yes" votes are regarded as permanent in modern Europe; the people building a multilateral state on the other side of the Atlantic see "no" votes as temporary aberrations in which the plebs got the answer wrong and have to be asked the question again after a period of re-education.

So, when the Irish said in June 2000 that they would like to continue governing themselves, the tax-financed "yes" camp mounted a campaign to change their minds. The same thing happened ten years ago when the Danes rejected the Maastricht Treaty that actually created the EU. Their shocked masters simply scheduled a second vote and poured sufficient money into the propaganda campaign to secure the answer they wanted.

To make even surer this time round, Dublin actually rigged the vote. On the last day before parliament's Christmas break in 2001, when many legislators had gone home, it rushed through an amendment to the referendum law, ending its obligation to present voters with both sides of the argument. And the referendum question tied approval for Nice to a vote for non-participation in an EU army, thus herding people who wanted to keep Ireland's traditional neutrality into the "yes" or, "ok," corral.

This anti-democratic manipulation should come as no surprise, for the EU is an inherently undemocratic institution. The European Commission, a bureaucracy, is the only body allowed to propose legislation. Think of it for a moment — elected politicians may consider only those policies that bureaucrats put in front of them.

But again, why should the United States care about this? Because the EU is exporting its methods of governance and, with ruthless determination (and dishonesty), is attempting to demolish the concept of national sovereignty. It is already far along that road among the EU's 15 nations, but it wants similarly to cage American sovereignty within multilateral frameworks and legalisms.

Let's look at the treaty. It abolishes national veto rights, so member nations can neither opt out of nor prevent continent-wide standardization in 39 key policy areas. It begins harmonizing criminal law, so offences in each nation will no longer be based on the mores or traditions — or the democratic judgment — of that country's citizens. Liberal pressure groups are already planning pan-continental challenges to domestic laws on abortion, divorce, and euthanasia.

Worst of all, perhaps, is the treaty's mechanism to strip member nations of their vote in EU affairs if they breach EU human rights standards, the nature of which may be judged by a decision in the late 1990s when Britain was ordered, on human-rights grounds, to scrap laws banning sadomasochistic torture. The centralizing EU elite can be expected to disenfranchise nation's that slow down the creation of the superstate.

The EU project, which began as an effort to enfold Germany in a constitutional embrace that would prevent it plunging Europe into war again, has turned into an overweening drive to subordinate all member states to a Franco-German command based in Brussels. The suppression of national sovereignty has become the cardinal aim, for that is what makes the EU a power to be reckoned with globally.

Now it is turning that effort on to the United States. It is the EU leaders, France and Germany, that most vociferously oppose America's right to decide that self-defense and enlightened self-interest make it wise to take military action against Iraq, unilaterally if necessary. It is the EU that is most determined to force the United States back into the economy-hobbling Kyoto climate change treaty. And Pascal Lamy, the EU trade commissioner, has made it clear he intends using the World Trade Organization, which originally buttressed national sovereignty, into a tool of European policy.

Two years ago next month, Jacques Chirac, the French president, speaking at the Hague about Kyoto, said: "I call upon the United States of America…to cast aside their doubts and hesitations…[and join in] building this unprecedented instrument, the first component of an authentic global governance…"

Just as the builders of the European Union are burying the nation state on their own continent, so they are working toward the imposition of global governance. EU power blooms amid multilateral structures that militate against American power. That is now the EU's raison d'etre.

Having twice in the past century sent its sons to fight in Europe, with great loss of life, America understandably wants to see the development of a united Europe as benign. But the lens of 20th-century war now prevents America from seeing the European Union properly, and it needs to be put aside. European leaders do not hide their ambition to make the EU a global counterweight and rival to America; we should take them at their word.

Angele
10-31-2002, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by zanychick
ok, and to risk sounding even more stupid, who is Iverson?

Another basketball player... and don't worry, you're not sounding stupid!

Scotso
10-31-2002, 01:28 AM
That's far too long Marly! :p

Angele
10-31-2002, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by GoLleyt
That's far too long Marly! :p

I second that lol

Scotso
10-31-2002, 01:33 AM
I don't like to exert myself unless absolutely necessary :p

zanychick
10-31-2002, 01:34 AM
I actually think the 'propoganda' in Ireland is funny, it was like one ad and 6 posters in Dublin

Murkofan
10-31-2002, 01:41 AM
Y'all don't be slackasses. Stretch your brains, for heaven's sake! :p It's your world too, y'know. ;)

Angele
10-31-2002, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Marly
Y'all don't be slackasses. Stretch your brains, for heaven's sake! :p It's your world too, y'know. ;)

Clare's being a dear and explaining it to me instead of posting some big article :p

Scotso
10-31-2002, 01:44 AM
I know it's my world but that doesn't mean I'm going to read something when I can have someone read it to me :p

Murkofan
10-31-2002, 01:46 AM
I'm ashamed of y'all's brainlessness. :rolleyes:

For some reason, Scotty, I expected more from you. :p Lord knows what I was thinking. :p

Murkofan
10-31-2002, 01:47 AM
Canada issues U.S. travel warning
From Elise Labott

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Canada issued a travel advisory this week urging Canadian citizens born in Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan and Syria to consider avoiding travel to the United States.

The advisory, released by the Canadian Ministry of Foreign Affairs on Monday, was in response to U.S. legislation passed after the September 11 attacks authorizing the Immigration and Naturalization Service to monitor the entry and exit of citizens from those countries.

Such monitoring allows those individuals to be photographed and fingerprinted.

Canada considers the regulations "discriminatory" and "unfriendly," a Canadian official told CNN.

The government of Canada warned "Canadians who were born in the above countries or who may be citizens of these countries to consider carefully whether they should attempt to enter the United States for any reason, including transit to or from third countries," the advisory said.

It also warned Canadians that the increased activity may lead to delays at U.S. immigration checkpoints.

An amendment to the United States National Security Entry Exit Registration System, or NSEERS, adds Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen as countries whose citizens could "attract special attention," the advisory warns.

A spokesman for the Canadian Foreign Ministry told CNN his government feels the law is "discriminatory"

"These people should not be singled out by their country of birth," said spokesman Reynald Foiron in a telephone interview Wednesday.

"If the United States doesn't have a reasonable doubt about someone's activities, country of birth should not be taken into account."

The measure is "contrary to American and Canadian principles" as well as against Canadian laws governing nondiscrimination," Foiron said. "It chastises the rights of freedom."

Foiron said Canada and the United States have enjoyed excellent security cooperation, which makes the regulations unnecessary.

"Why would having this help?" Foiron said. "If the United States has a specific case, they can bring it to our attention within the normal channels between our security agencies.

"We don't need this blanket measure. It's unfriendly."

The State Department said it was not surprised that Canada advised its citizens on how they could be affected

"We have plenty of warnings for American citizens around the world, and it's just advice to people to tell them what to expect," said State Department spokesman Richard Boucher. "And governments do that because they have an obligation to their own citizens."

Canadian Foreign Minister Bill Graham made a strong appeal to Secretary of State Colin Powell regarding the issue during a meeting last month in the margins of the U.N. General Assembly, Foiron said.

Graham voiced concern that some Canadian citizens would be affected by the legislation. He has argued that Canadian citizens be exempted.

Last month a man with joint Canadian-Syrian citizenship was detained by U.S. authorities in New York while changing planes at John F. Kennedy Airport and was deported to Syria. Canada protested on the grounds the man should have been sent back to Canada.

Foiron said Powell indicated there could be "some flexibility" relating to the citizens from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen, because those countries were added in an executive order.

But regulations on citizens from countries covered by NSEERS would have to be changed by Congress.

Boucher agreed the United States and Canada had good cooperation and were looking at "different kinds of new agreements that can be done."

"It's a big border and bad guys try to come across," Boucher said. "The question is what we, in cooperation with the Canadian government, can do to make both our countries safer."

Murkofan
10-31-2002, 01:50 AM
Israeli governing coalition collapses
Wednesday, October 30, 2002 Posted: 3:53 PM EST (2053 GMT)

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's national unity coalition collapsed Wednesday when the opposition Labor Party bolted and voted against a new Israeli budget.

Israeli Defense Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, leader of the Labor Party, said his faction had no choice after Sharon refused to compromise over Labor's demand that money earmarked for Jewish settlements be diverted to social programs.

Sharon of the Likud party condemned Labor's arguments and defections as "nonsense" based on politics.

"On this you are breaking up the unity government?" he asked in a speech in the Knesset, the Israeli parliament.

Sharon said he had agreed to form a committee that would report back by November 10 on Labor's concerns.

"We did everything we could. We will continue to lead the country with responsibility and judiciousness" without Labor, Sharon said.

Ben-Eliezer turned in his resignation when talks collapsed, and was followed by the remainder of Labor's ministers. The resignations will take effect within 48 hours.

Labor had proposed that about $147 million earmarked for the Jewish settlements be diverted to fund social services benefiting pensioners, one-parent families, students and low-income locales.

Even without Labor, Sharon's austerity budget passed on its first reading 65 to 45 with two abstentions.

Ben-Eliezer said he thought Sharon would have agreed to Labor's demands. "But that is not what happened," he said.

"I wanted the public to know we were making an effort," Ben-Eliezer said. "We came out after an entire day with promises, but nothing in our hands. Nothing. And, therefore, I was forced to recommend my faction vote against the budget."

Sharon said he refused to divert funds from the settlements "that would harm an entire sector of the population."

With Labor's 24 members out of his government, Sharon now lacks a majority of votes in the 120- member Knesset. He faces a no-confidence vote in the Knesset on Monday.

To stay in power without Labor, Sharon has two choices -- form a new coalition with right-wing, religious parties or call for new elections.

Sharon could still try to negotiate a new deal with Labor before the resignations take effect, but that possibility was considered extremely unlikely by political observers.

Before the vote, Sharon said legislators must vote for the budget to show Israel's allies -- including the United States -- that it is serious about putting its economy back on track.

"I will not tolerate games or political party tricks," Sharon said, according to the Cabinet secretariat. "Whoever does not vote in favor of the budget cannot be part of the government," he vowed.

Silvan Shalom, the Israeli finance minister and a member of Likud, blamed Ben-Eliezer for the crisis, saying the Labor Party leader was playing "local politics" in the face of party primary elections in two weeks.

Labor ministers blamed Sharon, who refused a compromise deal before the collapse. The proposed deal was believed to contain language promising that social programs would have parity with funding given to Jewish settlements.

Saeb Erakat, a member of the Palestinian Authority Cabinet, said the Palestinian Authority considers the split in the government an internal matter. But he added, "It's ironic that if the Likud-Labor coalition would have continued, it would have been at the expense of the peace process and the Palestinian people through settlement activity and confiscation of land.

"And on the other hand, if there will be a Likud-right-wing coalition it would also be at the expense of the peace process and the Palestinian people through settlement activity and confiscation of land. It's unfortunate that the Israeli political arena is moving further and further away from the peace process."

Sharon has been an ardent supporter of settlements.

Israel's settler community, which numbers some 200,000 in the West Bank, is seen by many Israelis as essential for Israel's security -- as a first line of defense from the east. Jewish settlements in Gaza are less populated but still flashpoints in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

The settlements have become -- over the years -- a main issue in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

Palestinians see the settlements as an instrument of Israeli occupation aimed at dividing any future Palestinian state into noncontiguous portions.

At the Jewish settlement of Hermesh on the West Bank, a Palestinian man shot and killed three Israelis and wounded three others Tuesday before Israeli forces shot him dead, the Israel Defense Forces said.