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babsi
01-27-2005, 07:11 PM
Evryone how jumps off the train now, was not worthy to ride with it in the first place!

And I don´t know, who that one should be - nobody posting in here - I´m damm sure off that!!!!!!!!!!!

babsi
01-27-2005, 07:19 PM
I just love the words - how and who - they are perfect for somebody who is prom to switching letters. :(

RogiFan88
01-27-2005, 07:30 PM
Great points you make, JTipson! I was thinking about your 4th pt this morning also... that's why I prefer Rogi to lose in the SF rather than make the F and lose it...

I was a tiny bit worried when Rogi won Kooyong [as AA did last yr] but...

As for the Fed Express... only the bandwagoners will jump off, not the true loyal Rogi fans.

Go, Marat, and win this!

Red~Ruby
01-27-2005, 07:49 PM
Hey guys! :wavey: :hug:

I haven't posted in a long time, but I had to come back today after this match. At first I was extremely depressed. But after thinking about it... here is what I came up with:

ROGER IS A FIGHTER.

Whenever he "goes down" he COMES BACK EVEN STRONGER THAN BEFORE. It is truly an amazing cycle that repeats itself over and over in his career and it is the sign of a tremendous athlete and a true champion.

1. He lost in the first round of Wimbeldon 2002 AND the first round of Roland Garros 2003..... HE CAME BACK TO WIN HIS FIRST GRAND SLAM TITLE... AND THE CREAM OF THE GRAND SLAMS....WIMBELDON 2003!!!!

2. He suffered a DEVASTATING 5 set loss in the Davis Cup Semi-Final 2003 .... HE CAME BACK TO WIN THE AUSTRALIAN OPEN 2004 AND IN THE SAME STADIUM!!!!!

3. He lost in the Olympics 2004 .... HE CAME BACK TO WIN THE US OPEN 2004!!!!!

4. He was forced to withdraw in his home-town tournament BASEL 2004 due to injury.....HE CAME BACK TO WIN THE MASTER'S CUP 2004 UNDEFEATED AND TO END THE YEAR AS THE WORLD NO. 1 FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HIS CAREER!!!

SO.... after this "defeat" I'm excited to see what is in store for our man Federer! :) :banana: :yippee: :yippee: :banana: KEEP THE FAITH!

In my eyes, Federer is a living legend... and the match today only goes to show the depth of his spirit and character.

WE LOVE YOU FEDERER! :hug:

thelma
01-27-2005, 08:27 PM
Roger is a gentleman! He played fantastic! Congratulation to all their fans here :worship: :hug:

"Losing by having match point is always going to hurt no matter how the match was, but at least I can leave feeling good because I gave it all I've got," he said.

"He was the better player. I'm hoping for a rematch but I am thrilled to be a part of it. That's very clear.

"I haven't been involved in too many such great matches.

"It is really unfortunate. I thought I played really well and a point here and there changed the match. That was a pity but at least I gave it a fight.

"I had chances in the fifth set. I had break points and love 30s.

"But I surprised myself by coming back, because I had all these problems."

Federer needed treatment for back problems during the four-hour 28-minute match and came back from 5-3 down in the final set.

"He has a great serve and was obviously more fresh than me. I didn't think I could get back, but I had a feeling, like he gave me a second chance and I almost took it.

"I thought I would have lost the (match) point anyway, he came up with a good shot to lob me. You have to have some guts to do that, so well done.

"I just told myself I had to try everything tonight, and get two days off and be fit for the final.

"My back was fine, just a nerve which went all the way to my finger. What was bothering me most was a blister on my foot, which I had from the second set."

Purple Rainbow
01-27-2005, 08:56 PM
Hi everybody! Believe it or not, but I just heard the result of the sf match against Safin. I had to work a very long day, and none of my colleagues knew the score either (but they just didn't care either).
Anyway, I'm sad Roger lost, but I'm happy that the person to end his winning streak was Marat Safin. I like the Oaf, and it's certainly nice to see Marat in his winning ways again. Hopefully he'll be able to keep that up more consistently now.
But back to Rogi. I have yet to see the match, and read interviews etc. I really hope his injury is a mild one and he won't have to cancel any tournaments because of it. After this small breakdown, the Federer Express will take us to fantastic places on a magnificent journey, no doubt! And I'm looking very much forward to the rest of the journey!

RonE
01-27-2005, 08:58 PM
Thank you for the transcript Thelma :wavey:

Yes, when I think back to the match, as much as it hurts particularly having had match point, thinking about the future no one can remain unbeatable and even the greats need to have bitter defeats every now and then so that they come back even stronger the next time around. Otherwise they just remain static- and the scary thing is that Roger can get even better and I am sure he will.

Have faith my brothers and sisters, what we have witnessed today was not an end- it was not an end of a winning streak vs. top 10 players, it was not an end of a 26 match winning streak, it was not an end to the 100% record in slam semifinals, no no and no- this is a new beginning. A new beginning which will usher in greatness for Roger many will have never fathomed. Mark my words- a great champion has become even greater this day in this dark hour. Even playing below his best with Safin at his absolute best Roger almost won the match- he should and will draw that faith in himself for the upcoming battles. In that, lies true greatness which will be witnessed by fans and detractors alike the world over...

tschaeggy
01-27-2005, 09:03 PM
Kisses to all of us, Federer fans, for being there for our champion, winner or looser, he is our champion. And congratulations to Marat. he deserves it. I hope he wins. I hope he wins Lleyton. I think Lleyton will beat Andy Pandy.-

Silvy :wavey:[/QUOTE]

yeah, Roger lost but gave all he could give in this moment! :worship:
i suffered with him, poor Rogi, needed physio and could not take this baby home!
Great win to Marat, he really deserves it and i hope for him that he can get this Grand slam!! Go Marat, go!! :bounce:

Skyward
01-27-2005, 09:08 PM
Have faith my brothers and sisters, what we have witnessed today was not an end- it was not an end of a winning streak vs. top 10 players, it was not an end of a 26 match winning streak, it was not an end to the 100% record in slam semifinals, no no and no- this is a new beginning. A new beginning which will usher in greatness for Roger many will have never fathomed. Mark my words- a great champion has become even greater this day in this dark hour. ..

Thank you! I feel better now. :)

laselva
01-27-2005, 10:59 PM
while the match went on, I was wishing so much roger not only to beat safin but to beat Lundgren. Guess next win will be sweeter...
I just hope Roger is not too much eager to show how great he is after this defeat. Take your time, Roger. You dont need to show anyone anything.
While 'Roger Federer beaten' is such a news, it can't be that bad being Roger Federer. :cool:
Can't wait for next tournament! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Billabong
01-27-2005, 11:30 PM
I'm very proud of our Rogi:D! He gave everything he had and fought until the end. I'm also relieved his injuries are only minor, and I think we'll see Rogi work even harder on his game for the next tourneys and his next matches with Marat. I think Rogi needed a loss like that one to keep himself motivated to continue to improve and work harder to stay number 1. He'll definitely be really fired up in the next slams. Next time, he'll be prepared. GOOOOOOOOOOOO FEDDDDDDDDDD:worship:!

BTW I definitely root fot Marat to win AO:D!

Shy
01-27-2005, 11:45 PM
Good job Roger! I guess that he had to lose sometimes. At least, he lost to Marat.He needs to lost sometimes to work harder. This match is like the DC match, against Hewitt, it will only makes him better. I now 300% root for Marat.

Raquel
01-28-2005, 12:02 AM
:yeah: I'm not giving up my no.6 seat for a very long time ;)
I am not giving up my number 34 seat either :D

Have faith my brothers and sisters, what we have witnessed today was not an end- it was not an end of a winning streak vs. top 10 players, it was not an end of a 26 match winning streak, it was not an end to the 100% record in slam semifinals, no no and no- this is a new beginning. A new beginning which will usher in greatness for Roger many will have never fathomed. Mark my words- a great champion has become even greater this day in this dark hour. Even playing below his best with Safin at his absolute best Roger almost won the match- he should and will draw that faith in himself for the upcoming battles. In that, lies true greatness which will be witnessed by fans and detractors alike the world over...

:worship:

Well said Ron! It is a shame he lost today but following Roger there is no negatives for long. There's always something to look forward to. I just can't wait to see him on court again already! :)

Jimena
01-28-2005, 12:36 AM
You see, I was doing very well. Remarkably so. I followed the online scoring and the pbp here on MTF, but I didn't watch the match. I taped it on ESPN in the afternoon, because I eventually want to see it (at some point when I'm drunk and happy and not prone to feeling emotional), but now I've totally lost it, and I don't usually lose it when my faves lose. And why?

Warning: Irrational rant coming on

Because I saw the end of the match, and NOBODY should be able to beat Roger like that. NOBODY should be able to make him fall down on the floor on his knees on match point. It was awful! And just seeing the pain and disappointment on his face and his body language... That just did it for me and I got all emotional and mushy.

I like Marat. I hope he wins. But now I like him less. And don't even talk about the irrational dislike I have for Peter Lundgren. Dude. I blame him for my current state of mind. And Roger was the one who fired him! See what this match has done to me?

I know he had to lose. I know the streaks were made to be broken, but I'd rather have him lose to at an early stage in the slams or in any other event, really, and not in a match like this or to a top opponent. This was painful. This one hurts. And I hope he comes out of this stronger like he did after the DC loss to Hewitt. I don't know how he's going to do it, but damnit I hope so.

I adore how Roger plays, how he moves, his class, his attitude. I like how nice he is, and what a great guy he seems to be. And to see him lose like this, HURTS. Damn! And I was doing so well this morning...

Sniff.

Rant over.

Whew. It feels good to get that off my chest. I'm still going to be emotional about this loss for a while. But now I love Federer more than ever. I've never enjoyed watching someone play as much as I enjoy watching him play. I've never been more in awe of someone's talents. I've never appreciated a champion more than him. He is the one I root for, the one that will be the standard for years to come. He is my favorite tennis player ever, and I'm more of a fan now than I was before.

Recover soon, Roger, heal, and come back better and more determined than ever. You rock.

WyveN
01-28-2005, 12:51 AM
If Roger is feeling down I hope Roche gives him a link to this thread, after reading the last 3 or 4 pages it is very difficult to remain sad about this loss. Thanks for all the great words.

sol
01-28-2005, 12:52 AM
Congrats, Roger and his fans on this board. :wavey: He played a fantastic match against Marat. :clap2: He has been a wonderful record of titles and straight wins as well. Amazing performance!. :hatoff: He’s a great champion! :worship:

The best success in his career.


Open-No complaints from Federer after Safin defeat
2005-01-27 15:02:50 GMT (Reuters)

Simon Cambers

MELBOURNE, Jan 28 (Reuters) - World number one Roger Federer had no complaints after he was beaten by Marat Safin in a dramatic five-set semi-final at the Australian Open on Thursday.

The defending champion saved six match points but missed a match-point chance of his own in the fourth set tiebreak before slipping to a 5-7 6-4 5-7 7-6 9-7 defeat, ending his run of 26 consecutive victories.

"Losing by having match point is always going to hurt no matter how the match was, but at least I can leave feeling good because I gave it all I've got," he said.

"He was the better player. I'm hoping for a rematch but I am thrilled to be a part of it. That's very clear.

"I haven't been involved in too many such great matches.

"It is really unfortunate. I thought I played really well and a point here and there changed the match. That was a pity but at least I gave it a fight.

"I had chances in the fifth set. I had break points and love 30s.

"But I surprised myself by coming back, because I had all these problems."

Federer needed treatment for back problems during the four-hour 28-minute match and came back from 5-3 down in the final set.

"He has a great serve and was obviously more fresh than me. I didn't think I could get back, but I had a feeling, like he gave me a second chance and I almost took it.

"I thought I would have lost the (match) point anyway, he came up with a good shot to lob me. You have to have some guts to do that, so well done.

"I just told myself I had to try everything tonight, and get two days off and be fit for the final.

"My back was fine, just a nerve which went all the way to my finger. What was bothering me most was a blister on my foot, which I had from the second set."

Safin will meet either second-seeded American Andy Roddick or third seed Lleyton Hewitt of Australia in Sunday's final.

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sol
01-28-2005, 12:53 AM
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lunahielo
01-28-2005, 01:02 AM
Originally posted byRonE~

Mark my words- a great champion has become even greater this day in this dark hour. Even playing below his best with Safin at his absolute best Roger almost won the match- he should and will draw that faith in himself for the upcoming battles. In that, lies true greatness which will be witnessed by fans and detractors alike the world over...
Awesome words~~
Thank you. :hug:

And to all fellow passengers on the *Express*~~I am certainly honored to be in such exceptional company.
All of you shine brightly. :)

But how could I expect anything different~~you are fans of an extraordinary
human being.

Fergie
01-28-2005, 01:03 AM
Great words Ron and lunahielo :yeah:

I still feel a bit sad :sad:

lina_seta
01-28-2005, 01:26 AM
ouch.. after watching this tiebreak (being up 4-1) it hurts more =(
SOOO CLOSE... lets just say... luck was not with him today...

laselva
01-28-2005, 02:09 AM
This is sleepless night for me... never posted like this many(much) before..*sigh*
You see, I was doing very well. Remarkably so. I followed the online scoring and the pbp here on MTF, but I didn't watch the match. I taped it on ESPN in the afternoon, because I eventually want to see it (at some point when I'm drunk and happy and not prone to feeling emotional), but now I've totally lost it, and I don't usually lose it when my faves lose. And why?

Warning: Irrational rant coming on

Because I saw the end of the match, and NOBODY should be able to beat Roger like that. NOBODY should be able to make him fall down on the floor on his knees on match point. It was awful! And just seeing the pain and disappointment on his face and his body language... That just did it for me and I got all emotional and mushy.

I like Marat. I hope he wins. But now I like him less. And don't even talk about the irrational dislike I have for Peter Lundgren. Dude. I blame him for my current state of mind. And Roger was the one who fired him! See what this match has done to me?

I know he had to lose. I know the streaks were made to be broken, but I'd rather have him lose to at an early stage in the slams or in any other event, really, and not in a match like this or to a top opponent. This was painful. This one hurts. And I hope he comes out of this stronger like he did after the DC loss to Hewitt. I don't know how he's going to do it, but damnit I hope so.

I adore how Roger plays, how he moves, his class, his attitude. I like how nice he is, and what a great guy he seems to be. And to see him lose like this, HURTS. Damn! And I was doing so well this morning...

Sniff.

Rant over.

Whew. It feels good to get that off my chest. I'm still going to be emotional about this loss for a while. But now I love Federer more than ever. I've never enjoyed watching someone play as much as I enjoy watching him play. I've never been more in awe of someone's talents. I've never appreciated a champion more than him. He is the one I root for, the one that will be the standard for years to come. He is my favorite tennis player ever, and I'm more of a fan now than I was before.

Recover soon, Roger, heal, and come back better and more determined than ever. You rock.
You summed absolutly everything I felt just after the match (I was so irrational too it took me hours to recover). But I have the different perspective now. :) He fell down on the floor to stand up. He knew how to react just a second after the defeat. Roger beat Marat last year's final. Now its pretty even. OK, it still hurts. I remember once somone in this forum posted how much s/he thinks Roger was hurt by DC loss after Roger bagled Lleyton 4 consecutive times. I agreed fully in silence with him or her. Not only it was healing process but Roger seemed to learn why destroying every Hewitts chance is so necessary. He sure learned something from here which only can be productive to the champ and fighter like him.
In this match after he got broken back in the third set (despite later he won the set) I had unsure feelings about his game. I know he played wonderful points in that match. But there was more to desire from his play. I think he is going to come back as strong as ever, I believe Roger's confidence can't be down, because he knew that the match was in his hand. Most of people inclued like me expected Fed's win in 5-2 tie break...I don't want to make excuses about his loss. But it was not the best Fed we can expect. I can blame the bad call in 5-5 in fifth set but he was so graceful in defeat that I can't blame anything. That's the reason why I can't now imagine myself not being his fan.
And Lundgren..... After the second set, they showed Lundgren's smiling face. There was a *thing* I really didn't like about that. Somehow I feel like Roger was beaten by him rather than Safin. I said my previous post how much I wanted Roger to beat both of them... But we can't blame him or Roger's decision to fire him if we look back the year 2004. And I m quite indifferente about Safin, I dont like him or dislike him. Imagine the other semi, they know that Roger is out. Their expectation has to be so high right now :devil: Whoever plays better will win... I will go with Hewitt. Roger is out of australia with epic defeat but many hearts earned. I hope he is aware about that. I can go on and on... But yes, he is the most exiting and talented player. Next time he makes the epic match with between the legs shot! :angel: It still can happen!

eleven
01-28-2005, 02:47 AM
Dear Roger,

How are you ? Are your arm and feet feeling okay ?

I didn't sleep well last night and still feeling sad today.

Although Safin has won this match, you also deserved to win this.

There is no doubt that it is one of your awesome match.
It is awesome because you were able to produce a series of amazing shots under that kind of huge pressure and tense, and injury. What a great player you are! :worship:

I'm very proud of you and very impressed by your fighting back in the fifth set.

I were touched when you and Safin shaked hand at the net and Safin pat your shoulder when you left the court.
It showed not only something about the spirit of sportsmanship but also the friendship between you and him.

What a great and classy match you both offered to the game of tennis and the fans!

Get well soon, our graceful Roger !!!

(p.s. Peter knows you too well.........)

asotgod
01-28-2005, 03:36 AM
Good words of comfort by y'all. I know it's a sad day for all Roger fans and probably Roger himself wondering how the stats showed he should have won but he still lost just like it happened to Roddick against Pim Pim in the U.S Open last year. Here, we then remember that tennis is really a game of winning the important points.

I am not happy that Federer lost but I am surprised at the whole outcry about his loss by a lot of people. It just made me remember how convincing Roger has been in his domination and how everyone feared his monopoly of the men's game.


OBSERVATIONS:

Having watched the match just like many others, I just have to say Roger's ground game just seemed way off. I hope he gets to run through that. I think the times he chose to S & V on important points were not right, but who knows if he could have made them. I would rather have preferred he S & V on the 5-2 point not on the 6-5 point in the tiebreaker but those are just too late now, lol. I also found it painful that Roger had enough time to do better with his only matchpoint instead of the between the leg shot he tried. Safin also was able to read Roger's serve better than any of his other opponents have in a long time. Safin was able to read where Roger will place his shots in most of the rallies. I know a lot of us fans can tell where Roger will place his shots, but he's gotta make adjustments concerning some of them which can be hard to do at times. Lundgren did a great job on letting Safin in on how Roger chooses to play some shots. Some times Roger could have used his forehand to Safin's backhand when he had Safin on the defensive but instead he chose to go behind Safin trying to wrongfoot him but Safin was waiting for him. There were many points Roger had control of but just let them go. I also think as good as Roger's slice is, especially crosscourt, it's not good down the line. He needs to add that to this arsenal. There were times he could have hit a heavy and deep slice to the Safin forehand but hit them either too shot or to the net. Some of his slices were just put in the center of the court making it easy for Safin to tail off to either side and put Roger on the defensive. Roger also avoided the Safin backhand on some shots he could clearly have flattened there. Some shots Roger could have flattened, he added some topspin which gave Safin room to reach them. In fact, when Roger was usually at his own backhand trying to hit a forehand, he most times goes down the line which Safin had a good read on. Some of those times, he could have flattened crosscourt, but instead found Safin anticipating rightly there and putting him on the run back to the forehand to make an easy error. Safin, after a while started cheating to the forehand on Roger's serve because Roger was serving there most of the time while Roger did not make necessary adjustments to keep Safin honest. Safin used the heavy serve down the T almost to perfection on the crucial points against Roger and Roger did not make the adjustments also. Lastly, Roger is used to hitting a lot of crosscourt forehands most times as if he is daring his opponents to outhit him on that side, while he could easily have gone down the line sometimes. Safin using his power somewhat neutralized Roger's forehand on some occasions because Roger most times kept going crosscourt. I feel the 'revamping' Roger is trying to do by hiring Roche will take some time to be fully mastered. Sometimes during the match, it helped him. At some very important points, it killed him also.

Look, I know these things are difficult to do in the heat of the moment and he is human. However, I believe it wont hurt if he gets to realize this and many more things he could have done which would have put paid to this match earlier on. I hope this loss spurs Roger to add more power and consistency to his topspin & flat backhand and also to work on his fitness & other areas he needs to maximize his game, which will then be scary for the opposition. We have not seen Roger's best yet.

Good luck to Roger the rest of the season. Every opponent better watch out

Billabong
01-28-2005, 03:50 AM
Thanks for the analysis asotgod:hug: I'm sure Rogi will come back even stronger in his next tournament:yeah:!

federer_roar
01-28-2005, 04:17 AM
asotgod, good observation. :yeah: A side note: knowing the fact that ball used in AO is heavier than the other grand slams, can that be a factor Roger's ground stroke was not most brilliant when the opponent was a heavy hitter from baseline? I feel the same that Roger's groundstroke was dimished in this match. Under that circumstance, I think his coming to net tatic was a good approach which not only allow him volley the points out, but also put extra pressure on the Russian to hit good passing shots on big moments.

It's the second day after his defeat, but strangely I feel even worse than the moment his fall. My mood swing just starts... :sad:

Fee
01-28-2005, 04:43 AM
He's human. And real. Don't you just love that?

Everybody come grab a seat at the bar in the Dining car. This round's on me (and the under 18's can have a thimblefull each, as my Granny used to do). :hug:

daisy_rogi211
01-28-2005, 05:21 AM
I even believed unwaveringly that rogi could win the game when marat got two match points again. I just felt nervous, as I had felt for a thousand times in rogi’s game…I didn’t dare to update the score board…I had felt something…since the game was driven to the fifth set…

Marat was the real hero last night…a perfect gift for his 25th birthday… just as Susan said…I thought I would be happy no matter who the winner was in the great game…but, the truth was,only after the game could you realize who was your preference…

Marat is handsome which makes him drive millions of Chinese girls mad. But I can’t agree with the view that the face is the only thing that can make someone attractive…most of rogi’s fans, like me, are conquered by his soberness, his kind of absent-mindedness in the games, his shyness in the interviews, and the promiscuous feeling he brings to us when he smiles warmly. And first of all, his grace when he plays tennis…

Marat said in this year’s AusO that rogi only knew how to win the game, not how to enjoy tennis…is that true? Only rogi himself knows…but I was a little worried about him ‘cause I knew he couldn’t always win. I was afraid he could not abide the failure that had been far away from him for such a long time. The hurt of failure was unfamiliar for us all.
It’s unimaginable that marat could beat our “divine” rogi just before the game finished. He could not be beaten even if we knew pretty well that marat’s talent for tennis, if not better, was as good as that of rogi.
In the tie-break of the fourth set, rogi had led over and the score had been 5:2, and it’s his turn to serve. We fans all got ready for another “great victory”. However, ultimately, marat got it for 8:6.
Rogi had assumed the game against marat would be badly tough I guess. But he mustn’t have thought he couldn’t win in four sets.
“I played my last five-setter must have been here against Hewitt maybe in the Davis Cup.”rogi recollected afterwards. The feeling of playing for 5 sets was unfamiliar with him. His body energy was his disadvantage against marat, no doubt.

He was broken by the opponent soon in the fifth set. He felt uncomfortable of his body. I got ready for a bad result when the score was 2:5. But rogi broke back and the score became 5:5. I saw the light of the victory…6:6, 7:7…7:8…0:30, 15:40…marat got two match points…I closed my eyes…

After the game everyone said both of them were the victor. A festival for many tennis fans, but not for me.

Maybe it’s not bad…you can say the game is really excellent. Just rogi had too many unforced errors…he felt nervous at the end of the game. His gray face made us sorrowful…it seemed that he cried in the interview afterwards…

Hope marat win the champion…my last hope…it'll make me feel comforted that rogi's sacrifice is worth it...

the failure will only drive me crazier with him...god bless you rogi...

lsy
01-28-2005, 05:29 AM
I can't believe I did that but I just pulled out the tape and watched some part of the match again...those points he played to break back at 3-5 down was unbelievable. Yes he fell saving the last MPs and that was heartbreaking but how he stepped up, put on a smile to give Safin a warm hug was heartwarming.

Sooner or later he will lose, we all know but for him, who hadn't be losing for so long, how he handled it so graciously, especially after such a tough one really showed his character. He was so gracious that on his way out of the court passing Safin, Rogi actually said : "congratulations" to him. From the clip I saw, the crowds leaned forward and cheered/clapped as loud as they can for him. I was thinking last night what am I going to do with the tape? Now I know I will definitely keep it coz it was quite a brilliant match from both players despite the results.

And isn't it wonderful to see once again, fans flocked to his official sites leaving him wonderful words and supports just like after Olympic? He always get most posts from his fans when he was down, goes to show he has fans who sincerely appreciate him in all way. Just like his fans here. Rogi really can take comfort from that.

Action Jackson
01-28-2005, 05:36 AM
I don't agree that Safin was at his absolute best at all actually, he played very well, but not his absolute best.

The match was played in great spirit and Marat was too good on the day, but as I have said many times you learn more about players when they lose and Roger handled defeat with class and the pat he gave Marat when he left the court was indicative of this.

yanchr
01-28-2005, 05:52 AM
Have faith my brothers and sisters, what we have witnessed today was not an end- it was not an end of a winning streak vs. top 10 players, it was not an end of a 26 match winning streak, it was not an end to the 100% record in slam semifinals, no no and no- this is a new beginning. A new beginning which will usher in greatness for Roger many will have never fathomed. Mark my words- a great champion has become even greater this day in this dark hour. Even playing below his best with Safin at his absolute best Roger almost won the match- he should and will draw that faith in himself for the upcoming battles. In that, lies true greatness which will be witnessed by fans and detractors alike the world over...
I always have my faith. Well said, Ron!

lsy
01-28-2005, 05:52 AM
Hi daisy...I don't r'ber Safin ever said that and I can't see how anybody can keep going like this if they don't enjoy the game. Besides Rogi had said time after time he loves tennis and he loves playing.

After the initial disapointments, he will take way many positive things from this loss and bounce back even stronger.

Yes GWH, Rogi showed lots of his class yesterday after losing a hard fought battle.

Action Jackson
01-28-2005, 05:59 AM
Well the vast majority of whiners on GM about Federer are either Roddick or the bad Coria fans, and they wouldn't be whining if it was their player that was this good, but it doesn't help that a "few" of the arrogant Federer fans can be just as bad.

daisy_rogi211
01-28-2005, 06:05 AM
yanchr...you have changed your avatar?...still cannot persuade myself into appreciating his new haircut...in memory of your old avatar...the photo is now on my desk and in my wallet...the red rogi...

lsy
01-28-2005, 06:08 AM
Well the vast majority of whiners on GM about Federer are either Roddick or the bad Coria fans, and they wouldn't be whining if it was their player that was this good, but it doesn't help that a "few" of the arrogant Federer fans can be just as bad.

Really doesn't matter. Yes some are stupid but there're always "good" and "bad" fans for all players. The real ignorant ones to me are those who try to claim "we xx fans are the best", "we xx fans don't do this and that unlike other xx fans" actually :lol:

btw :wavey: you must be having lots of fun in Melbourne, hope you and WyveN alraedy got to meet?

Action Jackson
01-28-2005, 06:09 AM
WyveN I still haven't seen him yet.

daisy_rogi211
01-28-2005, 06:26 AM
Hi daisy...I don't r'ber Safin ever said that and I can't see how anybody can keep going like this if they don't enjoy the game. Besides Rogi had said time after time he loves tennis and he loves playing.




uh...i saw that in a BBS...maybe not true...and i believe unwaveringly that rogi's wise enough to make a correct decision on how to deal with the relationship between tennis and games...
no one can enjoy tennis the way he does... ;)

babsi
01-28-2005, 07:22 AM
Thank you all for your wise and insightful words
- no one can win all the time and Roger lost in style and I agree with Ron,well said :)

The night has to be dark,so you can enjoye the sunshine.
We had alot of sunshine latly,so it´s normal to be afraid of the dark.

If you don´t want to lose a match,you have to stopp playing tennis -
Martina Navratilova

lsy
01-28-2005, 08:00 AM
The night has to be dark,so you can enjoye the sunshine.
We had alot of sunshine latly,so it´s normal to be afraid of the dark.

If you don´t want to lose a match,you have to stopp playing tennis -
Martina Navratilova

:clap2: :hug:

I probably shouldn't have watched that match again this morning...though I was glad I did also, oh well...

lsy
01-28-2005, 08:01 AM
WyveN I still haven't seen him yet.

Playing hide and seek?

Mrs. B
01-28-2005, 08:11 AM
Hi, guys! :wavey: Greetings from Davos!

I'm still working almost round the clock here in this cold place, :( couldn't even follow things on tv and the 'net!

I am sorry Roger lost in a 5 set epic (thanks, Ste for the sms!) :hug: but at least it was to a worthy opponent like Safin, who i heard played a very good match. Good luck to him now and i hope he wins the tournament. Hold your head up high, Roger, no shame in that loss and as a lot of you have already said, will learn from this.

I need to get a copy of this match at some point as you all say this one is to relish for a long long time...;)

sending you all warm hugs and i'm cutting off on the chocolate this time...

Roger is still a great champion and we love him more than ever!

Dirk
01-28-2005, 10:10 AM
I listened to the match on the radio. I am first of all very very happy Roger's nerve pain is nothing severe. I'm glad he will be able to play Rotterdam and Dubai and such. It's a shame he blew that lead in the breaker, but you can't win them all. GWH is right this match will make him stronger. I hope nobody said Roger fell apart because he wasn't fit enough. :fiery: This surface clearly does different degrees of damage to each player. Roger is fit and was fit last year yet he had to pull out of Marsille due to foot and shoulder pain from this surface. Roger I hope can win this title next year and frankly it will be hard very hard for him to win another OZ because Roger's body cannot take long matches on this surface. He only played two 4 setters last year and look what happened to him. I just have no idea why Roger didn't have his foot blister taken care in the 2nd set when it started to bother him. I'm sure that was partly the reason why he was so sloppy because he typically gets cleaner as the match goes on. Overall I'm very proud of him for fighting to the end. Marat "Meathead" Safin better win this title or :fiery: this loss will be very hard to take.

Daniel
01-28-2005, 10:23 AM
Roger :smooch:

Rommella
01-28-2005, 10:53 AM
I am hurting bad. The last time I hurt this bad was when Agassi beat Sampras also at the AO.

I went on leave yesterday afternoon so I could watch the game on StarSports since 7:30 pm AET is 4:30 pm in our time. I actually felt that Roger was going to win it. Call me irrational, superstitious or what-have-you but the moment the camera panned and showed Roger in a fresh white shirt, I just went cold. White is the color for mourning among the Chinese, the symbol of surrender/capitulation in the West.

I cried after the match and missed out on dinner as the mere thought of chewing was agony. Today, I put off logging on for as long as I could, as I could not bear the experience of going through Roger's loss another time. But there is always something to be said for catharsis, and the keyboard clicking was comforting.

I hope the hurt goes away soon -- what doesn't kill you can only make you strong.

SUKTUEN
01-28-2005, 12:03 PM
Many News said that Roger will lost his confidence :mad: :mad:

I do not think so~~ Roger will become more and more Powerful :yeah:

for this lost~~!!!!!!!! He will think about his weak and improve it! :fiery:

GO ROGER !!!!!!!! YOU CAN DO IT!!!! :bounce: :bounce:

babsi
01-28-2005, 12:27 PM
Hi,Rommelia
I feel with you - I´m just the same,but if we can´t get over it, how will Roger mange?
Roger will hopefully continue to play for many more year,so situations like his will head his and our way ever so often - it´s not a nice expirience,but one that can´t be avoided - it´s in the nature of things.

As for all things written in the papers - it´s all opinion,not facts - thing have to happen first to became a fact - in the very end we will know, what was real and what fiction - prove is what counts - not belive!

Skyward
01-28-2005, 01:21 PM
Who cares what the stupid media says. Safin was labeled as one slam wonder 6 month ago, and Hewitt's best days were supposedly behind him. One of those two is going to win on Sunday.

SUKTUEN
01-28-2005, 01:46 PM
I want Hewwit Win as welll

Skyward
01-28-2005, 01:47 PM
Roger's interview

M. SAFIN/R. Federer

5‑7, 6‑4, 5‑7, 7‑6, 9‑7

Q. How bad was your elbow and back bothering you?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, back was no problem. Just had a nerve going all the way to my finger. On forehands, you know, especially at the end of the fourth. So just said if you've got a chance to have treatment, why not take it? It did help actually. It was better in the fifth.

But what was bothering me the most was my blister on my foot. I had that from almost from the second set on. That was actually bothering me the most.

Q. Is there any sort of consolation in the disappointment that you've been involved in such a match?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, I haven't been involved in too many of such great matches. You know, I played my last five‑setter must have been here against Hewitt maybe in the Davis Cup. I'm not sure.

It's really unfortunate. You know, I thought I played, under the circumstances, really well. Yeah, a point here and there changed the match. So that was a pity. But at least I gave it a fight, you know.

Q. Did you think when you kept saving match points that it was going to turn for you?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, you know, I had chances in the fifth. I had breakpoints and Love‑30s. Of course, you know, when he was serving for the match, I wasn't feeling overconfident.

I was ‑‑ I surprised myself by coming back, you know, because I had all these problems, you know, and he has a great serve and a great game. Well, he was obviously more fresh than me, so I thought there was probably no way coming back. Had the feeling like he gave me a second chance, you know, and almost took it.

It's really a pity. I mean, I had my chances, but he didn't allow me to take them. But I was closer in the fourth than in the fifth, so.

Q. On your own match point, did you have other options or was that kind of like a last‑ditch attempt?

ROGER FEDERER: You mean the serve and volley?

Q. When you went through the legs.

ROGER FEDERER: Well, I mean, I thought I would have lost the point anyway. He came up with a good shot, you know, to lob me. Got to have some guts to do that, so it's well done.

Q. There's been so much expectation on you the last couple of months. Did you feel the pressure out there of expectation or were you able to block that out?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, you know, I live my whole life with pressure, so this is nothing different, you know. I thought, you know, it was a match like every other match. You know, he's one of the best players in the world. I like to play against him just because of the way he is on the court. In the past we had some good matches. I was just, you know, hoping to win it, you know, like every other match.

But I didn't feel extra pressure. Maybe at times you think, "Oh, I have to defend my title and I'm battling to get to the finals." But that's ‑‑ you know, I just told myself I'm going to try everything tonight, you know, to get the two days off and then try to be fit for the finals. That's not going to happen, so...

Q. Given how inconsistent he can be at times, unpredictable, was there a part of you at any point that was thinking that maybe he was going to lose his nerve?

ROGER FEDERER: Who are you talking about, him?

Q. Yes.

ROGER FEDERER: Well, I thought, you know, his serve was consistent. You know, he hardly served any double‑faults, you know. When he needed his first serve, you know, he got it. So that's just the way he plays. He's got great returns, but even though I thought I battled them off quite well, you know.

I mean, I got what I expected. So it was no surprise.

Q. Was there any sense at all, even though it's just one match, that he's a mentally tougher opponent than perhaps the Marat Safin you played previously?

ROGER FEDERER: No. No. I mean, played him in Houston and Dubai and here last year. I know him like this. You know, he's still sometimes lose his mind, but I think he needs that, you know. And I totally understand him. And for this reason, no, I don't think he changed much, no.

Q. Considering how close you came, does this hurt more than other losses?

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, well, of course. You know, it was losing by having match point, it's always going to hurt, no matter how great the match was.

But, you know, at least you can leave the place feeling good about yourself because I thought I gave it all I had, and that's all I got. He was the better player in the end, you know, because we don't have ties or draws in tennis. So the winner is the better man, and that's him.

Of course, you know, I'm hoping for a rematch so I can beat him again. But, you know, it was a thrill actually to be a part of it, that's very clear.

Q. When did you start to feel your arm hurting?

ROGER FEDERER: At the end of the fourth.

Q. Have you had that problem before?

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, one time.

Q. How long ago?

ROGER FEDERER: Like a year ago.

Q. What is it exactly? A nerve pinched?

ROGER FEDERER: I'm not an expert. I don't know. As long as it only comes in five‑setters, that's okay, you know.

Q. Do you feel that maybe your serve let you down a little bit today?

ROGER FEDERER: No, not really. No. I had a couple ‑‑ yeah, it was a pity. I think it was in the second set when he broke me or something, you know, I had game point and I should have won the point and I didn't. You know, that gave him a chance.

But, no, I thought the serve was good. I was happy with it.

Q. Jim Courier was repeating in his commentary during all your easy matches on the way to the semifinals that it would be interesting to see you under the pressure finally. Do you think maybe the lack of tight matches was a factor today?

ROGER FEDERER: Everything can be a factor, you know, in such a circumstance. But who knows what would have happened if I had played five sets before against Agassi. "If, if, if." We don't know what would have happened.

You've got to take what is there. It's very clear I haven't played any five‑setters. But, you know, I can practice five‑setters in practice forever. Once it comes down to the match, it's how you react to it. I tried everything I could, you know, under the circumstances, but I don't agree totally with what people say sometimes.

Q. Do you plan on taking any time off to rest this elbow?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, this is going to be gone tomorrow, you know. That was just in the heat of the moment, I guess. So I'm not going to play any tennis anyway for the next few days. When I play again, you know, that's not going to be bothering me. It's not an injury; it's just a thing that was bothering me. So I'm not worried about that coming back for the next match or anything ‑ at least yet, so that's a good sign.

Q. With today's match, but also what you were seeing from Marat in the tournament, also Lleyton and Andy, do you have any sense that the other top men have really come back from the break very fit, very strong, and everybody has been putting in perhaps even more than they have previously to reach that standard that has been set by you last year?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, I mean, we don't know what they did. We only hear what they do. What they really do we don't know. We'll never find out. That's a secret. Like you have no idea what I did in December. So I think that will always stay a secret, and that's the way it should be because every player needs different practice. You know, some need eight hours, some need two hours, some need none ‑ which I don't agree with.

No, I mean, I'm very happy to see that all four guys again were in the semis, you know, like in Houston. For this reason it's an exciting tournament, exciting future for tennis, for the men's game especially. Looking forward to maintain my No. 1 ranking in the future and beat them again.

Sorry, if it's already been posted.

WyveN
01-28-2005, 01:56 PM
ROGER FEDERER: Like a year ago.

Q. What is it exactly? A nerve pinched?

ROGER FEDERER: I'm not an expert. I don't know. As long as it only comes in five‑setters, that's okay, you know.


I hope it doesn't come in five setters and that this isn't the reason for a rather ordinary 5 set record, cant win it easily all the time.

I like Roger's attitude in that interview. He doesnt seem disheartened at all and is looking forward to the challange and even wants a rematch with Marat :lol:

lsy
01-28-2005, 02:09 PM
I hope it doesn't come in five setters and that this isn't the reason for a rather ordinary 5 set record, cant win it easily all the time.

I like Roger's attitude in that interview. He doesnt seem disheartened at all and is looking forward to the challange and even wants a rematch with Marat :lol:

WyveN, any idea if Rogi's still around in Melbourne training with Roche or back home?

Roger is great though I was extremely sad watching the match again today, but I can't get over how much he fought and how gracious he was.

His competitive self will make him even more eager than before :yeah:

babsi
01-28-2005, 02:17 PM
Thanks for posting the interview,Skyward!

"Looking forward to maintain my No.1 ranking in the future and beat them again" - you go boy!!!!!!!!!!

Very good interview from Roger,as allways -right upfront and as he said no "ifs".

WyveN
01-28-2005, 02:22 PM
WyveN, any idea if Rogi's still around in Melbourne training with Roche or back home?


Heard that Roger is flying out Monday, dont think he will even touch a racket for a few days but maybe him and Roche will have a look at the tape of the match, who knows when he will see Tony again :shrug:

And yeah Roger is great, this painful loss will only make future triumphs sweeter ;)

fightclubber
01-28-2005, 02:22 PM
WyveN, any idea if Rogi's still around in Melbourne training with Roche or back home?

if roche will train with him, maybe he will stay in asutralia some more days... I guess.
He has 2 weeks for rotterdam so... maybe he will spend one week with roche and then hell go to rotterdam. Switzerland must be pretty cold right now, right Wyven?

sil :wavey:

WyveN
01-28-2005, 02:28 PM
Switzerland must be pretty cold right now, right Wyven?


Not sure what Rogers plan is but I think he might want to forget tennis for a few days.

lsy
01-28-2005, 02:29 PM
Heard that Roger is flying out Monday, dont think he will even touch a racket for a few days but maybe him and Roche will have a look at the tape of the match, who knows when he will see Tony again :shrug:

And yeah Roger is great, this painful loss will only make future triumphs sweeter ;)

Monday? wow...I thought he probably want to get out ASAP.

It's good if he watch the tape but hope he just skip the last point, I watched it again today and depressed me whole day :sad:

But yes he's the best! :yeah: :hug: Can you please go stalk him and give him a BIGGGGG hug for us? ;)

babsi
01-28-2005, 02:31 PM
Winning a tight 5 seter against Roger isn´t allways the smartes thing to do - Marat should talk to Llyton about that!
I´m only half joking - at the very least that davis Cup match against LLyton has shown,that he is only more determemt after thatch an loss and will not lose his confidenss,but strengthen his resolve.

WyveN
01-28-2005, 02:37 PM
Winning a tight 5 seter against Roger isn´t allways the smartes thing to do - Marat should talk to Llyton about that!


:lol:, that is actually a good point. Marat obviously has a lot more weapons to hurt Federer but then again 12 months ago it looked like he would never figure out the Hewitt puzzle.
I am looking forward to a rematch between these two, should be very interesting.

babsi
01-28-2005, 02:39 PM
Oh, Isy - how could you do that to yourself - watching that last point -now you have to be sad - poor you,aren´t we all sad enough, as it is? Don´t tourtore yourself anymore!
Hope Mirka does a lot of huging for us all!

lsy
01-28-2005, 02:51 PM
Oh, Isy - how could you do that to yourself - watching that last point -now you have to be sad - poor you,aren´t we all sad enough, as it is? Don´t tourtore yourself anymore!
Hope Mirka does a lot of huging for us all!

:sad: yeah I'm a masochist.

Coz I was at times too nervous to watch during live so I decided to go back and watched again. Wrong move...watching that last point again really broke my heart but on the other hand I admire Rogi even more now :hug:

and also I am convinced this loss is meant to make Rogi even stronger :yeah:

fightclubber
01-28-2005, 03:05 PM
:sad: yeah I'm a masochist.

Coz I was at times too nervous to watch during live so I decided to go back and watched again. Wrong move...watching that last point again really broke my heart but on the other hand I admire Rogi even more now :hug:

and also I am convinced this loss is meant to make Rogi even stronger :yeah:

Oh I could not see the repetition. But even if the fall hurst, I think Roger put all his efforts to save that point, even knowing he would go to the floor. But Marat made a return and he had no time to stand up on time.
Aplausses to Rogi
Also its so nice afterpreparing the photo story , to see how Marat tried to confort him touching his shoulder and maybe saying soemhtign we will never know
Youll see it all soon.

Silvy

tschaeggy
01-28-2005, 03:10 PM
yes, Marat was very nice to Roger! I also recogniced that Marat didn't show a lot of joy at his victory!?
Imagine this would have been Lleyton with his emotions, his "come ooon" :devil:

SUKTUEN
01-28-2005, 03:27 PM
Roger ~~take it easy~~ :wavey:

Mirka please do your best to make Roger happy :devil:

novanora
01-28-2005, 04:17 PM
I
Call me irrational, superstitious or what-have-you but the moment the camera panned and showed Roger in a fresh white shirt, I just went cold. White is the color for mourning among the Chinese, the symbol of surrender/capitulation in the West.

LOL, Rommella, yeah white is the color for mourning, surrender in China. But do you know White here is also standing for the meaning of purity and refresh? ;) I think all of you watched Roger didn't surrender or mourn in the match at all, and fight to the last moment, even this moment is quite heartbreaking.

So every Roger fans, just send your great support to your Refreshed Real Champion from this dark moment, and trust him forever!! :wavey:

Laura, send my warmest hug to u!! :hug: cheer up!!

fightclubber
01-28-2005, 04:24 PM
i WAS THINKING HE NEVER EXPECTED THIS GAME BE SO LONG, HE GOT NO MORE BLUE SHIRTS.
AND CALL ME STRANGER BUT I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO WEAR RED ON THE SHIRTS , AS HE SAID HE TRIES TO WEAR RED AFTER A 4TH ROUND.
ANYWAY IF YOU SAY THE PICS, (ILL POST THE REPORT SOON) HE WAS WEARING RED.... AT LEAST ON HIS UNDERWEAR.

SILVY :worship:

yanchr
01-28-2005, 05:32 PM
Warning: Irrational rant coming on

Because I saw the end of the match, and NOBODY should be able to beat Roger like that. NOBODY should be able to make him fall down on the floor on his knees on match point. It was awful! And just seeing the pain and disappointment on his face and his body language... That just did it for me and I got all emotional and mushy.
That sums up my feeling as well :sad: It is really beyond me to see Roger lose like that on the match point...:hug:
And don't even talk about the irrational dislike I have for Peter Lundgren. Dude. I blame him for my current state of mind. And Roger was the one who fired him! See what this match has done to me?
I was thinking Peter is a nice guy :confused: But did he really have to cheer that loud for Marat :o :mad: I got a feeling that he was making revenge on Roger by the hands of Safin...:o You can say I'm mean...

babsi
01-28-2005, 08:15 PM
yanchr: "you can say I´m mean..."

That makes two of us - can´t stand that Lundgren guy anymore :(

RonE
01-28-2005, 08:44 PM
Roger I hope can win this title next year and frankly it will be hard very hard for him to win another OZ because Roger's body cannot take long matches on this surface.

I have to disagree with you there, Dirk. Hardcourts in general take a lot out of the body and Roger has coped well with it. It is the same for all the players and Roger is not made of butter- he has a strong solid build so playing on hard courts and rebound ace shouldn't affect him any more than it does anyone else.

Rebound ace is well suited to his game- he can tango with the best of them on this surface and he has proven it this year as well as last (Agassi, Nalbandian, Safin all very tough players to beat on RA).

I am sure he will remain a very strong contender and favourite for this event and win the Australian Open again in the not too distant future.

WyveN
01-28-2005, 11:09 PM
I am sure he will remain a very strong contender and favourite for this event and win the Australian Open again in the not too distant future.

I agree however I am not sure if it is fitness or just coincidence but in all of Roger's slam wins he has never won a 5 setter (Andre at USO doesnt really count).
If Roger wants to win the FO then he certainly needs to work on endurance because there is little doubt Safin was the fresher player in the 5th set.

Fedex
01-29-2005, 12:11 AM
I agree however I am not sure if it is fitness or just coincidence but in all of Roger's slam wins he has never won a 5 setter (Andre at USO doesnt really count).

I agree with this; the Agassi match was played over 2 days.

Fedex
01-29-2005, 12:17 AM
I hope it doesn't come in five setters and that this isn't the reason for a rather ordinary 5 set record, cant win it easily all the time.

I like Roger's attitude in that interview. He doesnt seem disheartened at all and is looking forward to the challange and even wants a rematch with Marat :lol:
But I am sure this loss is disheartening, and I am sure this is not an easy defeat for him.

Fedex
01-29-2005, 12:19 AM
I don't agree that Safin was at his absolute best at all actually, he played very well, but not his absolute best.

Neither was at their 'absolute best', especially some parts of Federer's baseline game, but this is probably Safin's biggest and most impressive win to date.

Fedex
01-29-2005, 12:24 AM
...
Thanks for the pictures.

Fedex
01-29-2005, 12:27 AM
I would rather have preferred he S & V on the 5-2 point not on the 6-5 point in the tiebreaker but those are just too late now, lol.
I would tend to agree with this, but perhaps had Roger gotten the 1st serves in at 5-2 or 5-3 he could have served and volleyed. I dont remember if the 6-5 point was a 1st or 2nd serve.

Fedex
01-29-2005, 12:29 AM
Hey guys! :wavey: :hug:

I haven't posted in a long time, but I had to come back today after this match. At first I was extremely depressed. But after thinking about it... here is what I came up with:

ROGER IS A FIGHTER.

Whenever he "goes down" he COMES BACK EVEN STRONGER THAN BEFORE. It is truly an amazing cycle that repeats itself over and over in his career and it is the sign of a tremendous athlete and a true champion.

1. He lost in the first round of Wimbeldon 2002 AND the first round of Roland Garros 2003..... HE CAME BACK TO WIN HIS FIRST GRAND SLAM TITLE... AND THE CREAM OF THE GRAND SLAMS....WIMBELDON 2003!!!!

2. He suffered a DEVASTATING 5 set loss in the Davis Cup Semi-Final 2003 .... HE CAME BACK TO WIN THE AUSTRALIAN OPEN 2004 AND IN THE SAME STADIUM!!!!!

3. He lost in the Olympics 2004 .... HE CAME BACK TO WIN THE US OPEN 2004!!!!!

4. He was forced to withdraw in his home-town tournament BASEL 2004 due to injury.....HE CAME BACK TO WIN THE MASTER'S CUP 2004 UNDEFEATED AND TO END THE YEAR AS THE WORLD NO. 1 FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HIS CAREER!!!

SO.... after this "defeat" I'm excited to see what is in store for our man Federer! :) :banana: :yippee: :yippee: :banana: KEEP THE FAITH!

In my eyes, Federer is a living legend... and the match today only goes to show the depth of his spirit and character.

WE LOVE YOU FEDERER! :hug:
Yes, thats all true.

Fedex
01-29-2005, 12:31 AM
[QUOTE=jtipson I'm not suggesting Roger will give Marat five bagels over the next twelve months, but I do think he will find a way to raise his game with the extra challenge.

[/QUOTE]
LOL, no I dont think so. :lol: :rolls: Marat is the real deal, and this is a true rivalry. Although Federer still has a 6-2 head to head lead, they are 1-1 in GS matches.

Fedex
01-29-2005, 12:33 AM
Sorry to disturb you, I didn't know where to post it. :wavey:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/bibir/23.bmphttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/bibir/15.bmphttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/bibir/21.bmp
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/bibir/22.bmphttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/bibir/25.bmp
Thanks for the pictures, and somehow they make me feel better.

Billabong
01-29-2005, 01:05 AM
Thanks for the pics guys:hug:!

Action Jackson
01-29-2005, 03:23 AM
Neither was at their 'absolute best', especially some parts of Federer's baseline game, but this is probably Safin's biggest and most impressive win to date.

Sorry thrashing Sampras at the US Open has been Marat's best performance.

Dirk
01-29-2005, 04:55 AM
You guys misunderstood. I said on this surface not all but just rebound ace and I hoped that people wouldn't say Roger is not fit. You don't have the kind of year Roger had without great fitness. Ron not everyone's body holds up the same on this surface. Roger clearly might have some issues with playing long matches here. For his body to be feeling pain after only playing two 4 setters in 04 and having to pull out of an event says something. Some can handle better than others. Roger doesn't have fitness issues and clay will not have the same impact on the body. It took a foot blister, nerve pain and a choke in the breaker for Marat to win this sucker. Roger can win this event again, I'm sure of it.

Fedex
01-29-2005, 05:01 AM
Sorry thrashing Sampras at the US Open has been Marat's best performance.
Maybe, but Sampras didnt do shit in 00 except win Wimbledon. This is more impressive, I think, because he beat Federer in the midst of his reign of domination. Sampras was hardly dominating when Safin beat him.

Fedex
01-29-2005, 05:03 AM
Roger can win this event again, I'm sure of it.
Of course. Game wise, I think this surface is the next best for Federer, after Wimbledon. Its not to fast, so he has time to set up his shots, but its fast enough for him to attack from the baseline and the net. He could be a dominate force at Oz, almost as much as he is at Wimbledon.

WyveN
01-29-2005, 05:07 AM
Maybe, but Sampras didnt do shit in 00 except win Wimbledon. This is more impressive, I think, because he beat Federer in the midst of his reign of domination. Sampras was hardly dominating when Safin beat him.

I agree, Sampras was past his peak in 2000 and even his Wimbledon win was rather lucky.
This was a win against a player who has been dominating and by beating him Marat broke quite a few incredible streaks.

Dirk
01-29-2005, 05:25 AM
Fedex first can you come online AOL IM? ;) I want to chat, second of all I think Roger could do better at the USO more than Oz because the ball stays lower which Roger loves. It is very difficult to rush Roger anywhere, he can more than dominate the Open but Roger must make sure he hits deep and not short to the baseline unless it's angled. This Oz defeat will fuel the flame for RG victory. :)

Daniel
01-29-2005, 08:52 AM
Roger :worship:

nice pics :D

yanchr
01-29-2005, 11:40 AM
second of all I think Roger could do better at the USO more than Oz because the ball stays lower which Roger loves.
I agree with you there. The ball bounces higher on this surface which suits Safin most while fails to do Roger a good favor. It helps Safin to deal with more comfort with Roger's bh slice for example.

RonE
01-29-2005, 01:55 PM
Yes Dirk, decoturf will suit Rogi's game more than rebound ace but not by such a great margin. He is still able to make the necessary adjustments with the slightly higher bounce and slower court speed. Had this match been played at the USO with both players playing as they did I would predict it would also go 5 sets, a point here and there seperating winner from loser. This loss had less to do with the quirkiness of the surface and more to do with the player who beat him and the things he did to beat him.

Dirk
01-29-2005, 02:02 PM
Let's not forget the add the foot blister and nerve pain in the mix Ron. :fiery: Go on call me sour, I don't care. :fiery: Why didn't Roger have that blister taken care of in 2nd set when it was bothering him? :sad: I refuse to call this a rivarly unless Safin beats him the next time they play. Takes more than a win here and there to create a rivarly. I want Roger to rip Saffy to shreds at RG. :bigclap:

I had the fucking perfect Ninja mission plot in mind too. :bigcry: I hope I can use it next year. I will write one up for Doha though. ;)

WyveN
01-29-2005, 02:09 PM
I refuse to call this a rivarly unless Safin beats him the next time they play. Takes more than a win here and there to create a rivarly.


I don't think Safin can be called a rival until he proves he can be consistent rather then rare brilliant matches. However he is 1-1 H2H in slams with Roger so their next slam match is pretty crucial and interesting in terms of a potential "rivalry".



I want Roger to rip Saffy to shreds at RG. :bigclap:


And at next years AO ;)


I will write one up for Doha though. ;)

Dont forget the Netherlands tournament :)

Dirk
01-29-2005, 02:16 PM
Yeah and maybe I can throw in Dubai too. KILLING ANDRE AND SAFFY!!!!!!!!! :lick: This loss will make Ninja stronger in the end. I can't wait for the fruits of Roche's work to show. Roger said it will likely be a few months till we really see it. :)

yanchr
01-29-2005, 02:44 PM
Dirk, I'm with you this time. Ninja should give back the bitter fruit to Safin by slaughtering him when he meets him next time :fiery:

babsi
01-29-2005, 03:15 PM
If Roger is half as eager to take revange for that loss, as we all are, Safin won´t have anything to laugh about the next time they meet - and Lungren either.

lsy
01-29-2005, 03:29 PM
Let's not forget the add the foot blister and nerve pain in the mix Ron. :fiery: Go on call me sour, I don't care. :fiery: Why didn't Roger have that blister taken care of in 2nd set when it was bothering him? :sad: I refuse to call this a rivarly unless Safin beats him the next time they play. Takes more than a win here and there to create a rivarly. I want Roger to rip Saffy to shreds at RG. :bigclap:

:haha: Dirk...you're really sour....but so am I, we're so petty :lol:

But yeah I wonder why didn't he take care of that blister earlier too?

ste
01-29-2005, 04:01 PM
Wow guys so many comforting words for our hero - even that shows how much important he is to us, how much we like him and I am sure that no one will ever leave the "Federer-Express" from this board!!! I am happy that I am a part of this amazing community - you're all wonderful people who are cheering for a big talent with the same friendly character like our ROGER!!! :hug:

I just imagined what an other player would have done with this food blister - i dont think that he would have been able to play 3 sets with it and on such a huge "niveau"... :worship:

We all knew that he has to lose again during the next week but for sure we didn't wanted him to do it in the semi nor the final - but i have to admitt better losing against Marat in 5 hard-fighted sets than against a qualifier in 2 or 3 clear sets... In a way it is a loss that he can be proud of...sounds silly but thats my opinion... :worship:

has anybody noticed the fans who yelled after some points: Come oooon Superman to Roger?? or then someone yelled to Safin: he is just swiss cheese... :devil:

SUKTUEN
01-29-2005, 04:06 PM
Lungren face is so arrogant in Roger lost the match :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

ste
01-29-2005, 04:25 PM
Lungren face is so arrogant in Roger lost the match :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

that's the best thing for a coach nowadays if their player wins against roger....

SUKTUEN
01-29-2005, 04:50 PM
I dislike him~~Fat man

RonE
01-29-2005, 08:33 PM
I never liked Lundgren even in the days when he was coaching Roger. There was always an air of false joviality about him that I just couldn't stand.

I must say Safin pissed me off too a little and I actually like the guy. I haven't been this pissed with him since he beat my other favourite at the U.S. Open in 2000. But in 2001 Pete got his revenge against him so I am sure Roger's time will come, we just need to be patient.

As for RG, I think that will be tougher for Roger- Safin can outlast players like Mantilla, Agassi and Guga in five grueling sets on clay- something Roger has yet to be able to do. But let's not forget Roger's first career title on clay in Hamburg came against Safin in the final where he carved him up and good. Would be very interesting were they to meet in this year's French Open.

Jimena
01-29-2005, 10:05 PM
I must say Safin pissed me off too a little and I actually like the guy.

God, that is so true. I'm so mad at him. Grrr.

Dirk
01-29-2005, 10:49 PM
Marat needed a foot blister (which hurt Roger in the error area, who knows how many first serve misses and double faults came because of it) nerve pain in Roger's playing hand and a choke to win this match. I HOPE ROGER RIPS HIM UP!!!!!!! Peter did wonders for Roger so I don't mind him at all, but there is no plan to beat Roger. Safin got lucky and until he beats Roger consistency there is no rivarly. Roger has won 5 setters on clay before Ron and what makes you think he will need five sets at RG against anyone??? The only reason this shit went to five is because of his physical problems with his foot in the 2nd set. I was wondering why he made so many errors in that set.

I don't want to discredit Safin's win and be a sore loser but I just can't help state the facts.

RonE
01-29-2005, 11:14 PM
Yes Dirk, it seems when he is healthy, focused and playing at his best more often than not his matches hardly go four sets, let alone five. But for him to do that in the French he will need to be more focused than ever during his matches there- certainly maintain a higher level of concentration and greater presence of mind than he did in this tournament.

fightclubber
01-29-2005, 11:29 PM
Marat needed a foot blister (which hurt Roger in the error area, who knows how many first serve misses and double faults came because of it) nerve pain in Roger's playing hand and a choke to win this match.

You know what? I keep askinmg myself how rogi could get those blisters. On the interive we read he said he entered to the court with them and try to hide them so Marat could not use that against him. I have to say... Roger got quite easy games... last one with Andree he hardly made an effort, its was to my eye, an easy match, so how the hell he got those blisters...
Sorry for my ignorance but ROGI:::: get rid of those BLUE tennis shoes :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: or get more protection to your feets. Im really worried about that, really

silvy

Dirk
01-30-2005, 02:07 AM
Marat was lucky and nothing more than that. Ron it's hard to try your best when you not able to play your best because of a physical problem. He probably got them from playing and practicing in the heat. Oh and don't give me this stuff about how Marat was tired last year at OZ because he wasn't tired at Dubai or Cup. Sorry my bitterness will pass. I really have let it go but I keep reading posts and...... This place just isn't good for me. ;)

Action Jackson
01-30-2005, 04:54 AM
Thanks for the entertainment and the excuses I thought most of the Federer fans were better than that, then again most of them are.

Teemuh
01-30-2005, 05:03 AM
Safin came out on top. That's it. I have faith Rog will have revenge at some point.

Action Jackson
01-30-2005, 05:14 AM
Thanks Teemuh for seeing it as it should be.

laselva
01-30-2005, 12:08 PM
Marat Safin, AO 2005 Champ! I m still mad at him to beat Roger, but very well deserved! Well done, Marat!
And congrasts to Lungdren, too. :tape:

Good fight Hewitt and Roger, come back as strong as you are!

euroka1
01-30-2005, 12:18 PM
A great AO final! Tough competition out there, Roger. Better stay fit.

Dirk
01-30-2005, 12:19 PM
Aw come on GWH let me vent. At least I'm not doing it in the GM. ;) Give me some kind of credit. :tape:

rwn
01-30-2005, 12:31 PM
If you look at the final it's not difficult to see why Roger had so much trouble with Safin. The power of Safin's groundstrokes is simply incredible. Roger had a lot of problems playing his own game against this power. In matches between these two players one or two points make the difference and these points went to Safin. Maybe they will go to Federer the next match. I'm convinced Roger will work hard to beat him next time they play. I'm really looking forward to this next match :)

babsi
01-30-2005, 12:35 PM
Yes, well done Marat - one fight to much for Llyton!

One thing GWH
- on the GM borad there is a thread >Marat didn´t show up again< see that´s what bothers me.When ever Roger loses,he ís suppocently not that good after all -no excuses alloud.When ever Marat loses or is in danger to - he didn´t show up,loseing his head again,wasn´t feeling like playing...blah,blah,blah.
Very excuse is excepted for Marat - he is never the one >who isn´t that good after all< just ssoo talented,but not able to show it.
I just want Roger to be messured with the same yard stick - that´s all.
He is alloud to and in no way above losing,but he is still the best player out there!

No ifs - for no one!

Dirk
01-30-2005, 12:44 PM
I don't think GWH likes those excuses for Marat either. Yes that is a great point babsi. The thing that bugs me about this loss is that the media and Marat's people including Peter are going to think of this as a rivarly when actually Marat barely got by Roger who had some physical problems. Marat is the most gifted player but not consistent enough to be number one because he doesn't care blah blah. It belittles Roger's grand game and makes his ranking seem false. :fiery:

I can't wait for Roger to play him again and beat him to kill the notion that there will be a rivarly. If Marat does win the next time, then there is a rivarly and I will never bring up this "excuses" again. :)

WyveN
01-30-2005, 12:50 PM
Fans will always be biased towards their favourite player. In the end results determine things in sports and we will find out shortly whether this victory of Marat's is the start of a rivalry, maybe even superiority by Marat or whether it is just a flash in the pan.

Dana
01-30-2005, 12:55 PM
Sorry to ask that question in that thread (but I don't want to start a new one...). In RF.com French Forum, some people said that they heard on Eurosport that Roger won't play in Rotterdam, as previously schedule. Any news about that?

Dirk
01-30-2005, 12:56 PM
Great post to keep this in perspective Wyven. There is always next year for Roger at Oz. He won a title and made a slam semi so far this year. Can't really complain too much. I just hope he defends his other two slams and his cup. :) An Rg Musketeer cup would be a nice replacement to Roger cabinet.

Dirk
01-30-2005, 12:57 PM
It's on Roger's schedule and he better play it if he is healthy.

WyveN
01-30-2005, 01:01 PM
I hope he plays it as well as its a great tournament (and there is live video stream online) although he may give it a miss as he can hardly gain/protect any ranking points there.

Dirk
01-30-2005, 01:03 PM
If he won it that would give him a little. I just hope he wins one of the spring hard court master events and another clay master during the clay season considering that is all he plays.

laselva
01-30-2005, 01:06 PM
Sorry to ask that question in that thread (but I don't want to start a new one...). In RF.com French Forum, some people said that they heard on Eurosport that Roger won't play in Rotterdam, as previously schedule. Any news about that?
Oh, no. :bigcry: Right now, I am very, very worried. :help: I was a little bit worried about how Roger was going to react, and this worries me more.

Seems like in MTF Marat gets whatever credit for whatever he does as opposite to Roddick who dosent get any.

Dirk
01-30-2005, 01:09 PM
Many still harbor ill will over Andy's USTA aided USO 03 win and I don't blame them. Marat will always be the most talented player on tour if he wants to be to his fans.

babsi
01-30-2005, 01:15 PM
Yes, Dirk - let´s hope he can win the next time,if not I will except the facts as they are.
Marat has trouble to break Roddicks serve and he can´t cope with the kind of game Santoro force at his opponent -those are the two extrems off the tour.Roger can handle both esealy.
Marat - super talented -middle off the road player
Roger - super talented -with a very wide range player
Take your pick!

Dirk
01-30-2005, 01:22 PM
I wish I could good rep you twice babsi. :) Time to move on as George suggested. I will save my Ninja mission for next year when Roger reclaims his title. Safin I'm happy he finally won this slam and wish him the best in the future...just not at my man's expense. ;)

babsi
01-30-2005, 01:25 PM
If he skips Rotterdam,I just hope it is for other reasons,than injurie -It dosesn´t sound that good :(

babsi
01-30-2005, 01:34 PM
Seems we have to move on really fast - hope there is more news soon

SUKTUEN
01-30-2005, 02:50 PM
Roger do not play Rotterdam ? He's hurt is not good? :sad:

GOD ~~PLEASE save Roger ~~ :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

lsy
01-30-2005, 03:02 PM
I hope it has nothing to do with his physical health or anything if he's pulling out of Rotterdam.

laselva
01-30-2005, 03:37 PM
I hope it has nothing to do with his physical health or anything if he's pulling out of Rotterdam.
Yeah, I hope so too. That is more important than anything. Anyway I went to their website and there was no news yet. Will be waiting and even if he dosent paly it I wont be dissapointed if he is OK.

I am so emotionally unsettled now that during a second I m confident he will come back strong, and after that I am very worried about him. :o

SUKTUEN
01-30-2005, 03:44 PM
Roger ~~~ You must be strong~~

GOD PLEASE~~~~~ :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

ROGER you can stand up !!!!!!!!!!!! Roger will come BACK!!!!!!!! :banana:

MY KING!!!!!!!!!!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

lsy
01-30-2005, 04:01 PM
I am so emotionally unsettled now that during a second I m confident he will come back strong, and after that I am very worried about him. :o

:lol: :hug: I think we're all the same but have faith in Rogi, he will come back strong. Just look at how he fought in that match.

It's only one loss, really isn't a big deal. Let the drama remains in GM ;)

Yes Suktuen, he will.

SUKTUEN
01-30-2005, 04:20 PM
Thanks Isy~~

I am so sad and worry about him~~

GOD Please help Roger :worship: :worship: :worship:

babsi
01-30-2005, 05:54 PM
I´m redy to put my inner drama queen to bed now - hope she sleeps well and does not come back too soom.
He lost a battle,not his kingdom.He plays beautyful tennis and is a nice,smart and lovely guy - no other player and nothing else can change that - end of story!

Can´t wait to see him play again!

Love him
Susanne

Action Jackson
01-31-2005, 03:43 AM
Aw come on GWH let me vent. At least I'm not doing it in the GM. ;) Give me some kind of credit. :tape:

This is true to an extent and yes you are right I don't like those excuses for Marat for any other player.

Sure I get crappy when one of my fave players loses or gets knocked out when they shouldn't, but it's happened now and he has to learn from the loss.

One win doesn't make a rivalry, one loss doesn't mean a crisis. Only an idiot or someone who is beyond delusional actually knows who the best player in the world is and who the standard to hold up to.

laselva, Roddick is an arse clown who can only win in North America and needs the crowd behind him everywhere, whereas it doesn't matter to Federer or Marat. I could plenty of reasons he doesn't get credit, but not on this forum.

RogiFan88
01-31-2005, 03:49 AM
I noticed some dork called Rogi a "drama queen" because he showed so much emotion when he won Wimby03 and Oz04... and Pandy isn't?? what a strange comment to make about Rogi, whom most people think has "no emotion"... both uninformed and ignorant comments...

whatever...

Action Jackson
01-31-2005, 03:54 AM
RF, people see what they want to see and did you read the reports that I have been writing about the Aus Open?

Dirk
01-31-2005, 11:15 AM
Where can I find them George? Rotterdam is two weeks away so I can't see why Roger wouldn't be there.

SUKTUEN
01-31-2005, 03:33 PM
Just forgive the AO~~

Roger will look forward in this year!!!!!! :bounce:

Raquel
01-31-2005, 05:53 PM
One win doesn't make a rivalry, one loss doesn't mean a crisis.
I agree with that and I felt that in GM people were suddenly saying Roger's vulernable and he now has a big rival in Marat. Now if Marat plays like that week in week out, then yes it could be a great rivalry. But it took Marat at his best to win 9-7 in the 5th. The talk of crisis and people "working Roger out" has been a real overreaction. Roger will deal with this loss and be fine.

:wavey: RogiFan, I saw those posts from that poster saying Roger went over the top. I was almost speechless as I don't know how anyone could have thought that. If you want over the top look at Goran in 2001! That was a great reaction.

RogiFan88
01-31-2005, 06:52 PM
George Raquel, everyone... people just want Rogi to fall... and can Marat play at such a high level EVERY TIME they meet this year??

It will be interesting to see just how the year progresses... for all the players!

So... take care of yourself, Rogi and we'll keep cheering you on!!

Roger himself named Marat as the biggest threat at AO anyway... and he knows!

RogiFan88
01-31-2005, 06:53 PM
I have to say that Marat played his very best match in the SF v. Rogi... he was magnificent! But it wasn't that easy to beat Rogi.

RogiFan88
01-31-2005, 06:54 PM
...not only that but Rogi didn't crash out in R1 -- he made the SF and I'd much prefer him to lose in the SF to Marat, another talented guy, than lose the F to Lleyt or Pandy... so it worked out in the end... and I'm happy for Marat... love his speeches!

Raquel
01-31-2005, 09:57 PM
George Raquel, everyone... people just want Rogi to fall..
Yeah I have been noticing that a lot lately. I think at the end of the year after Roger had such an amazing year and was winning a lot of awards etc. some people are kind of wanting him to fall. I've noticed things he says in interviews now are suddenly called arrogant and even a lot of the commentators seemed to be giving him a hard time at the Australian Open.

Maybe I'm just a bit paranoid but I think there has been a change in feeling with a lot of people.

asotgod
01-31-2005, 10:59 PM
Dirk, one thing though: I dont agree that Marat is more gifted/talented than Roger. Both are the two most talented players on tour but I still consider Roger way better than Marat anyday. One win does not make for being better. What Marat possesses more than Roger is POWER. Marat plays a power game just like Roger and Andy but he is more powerful and has less finesse than Roger. I will give Marat credit for winning that match and I'm happy he did win because he deserves to win one of those and play to his potential.

But at their very best, Roger will definitely beat him more often than not. I just think two things resulted in the loss, other than Marat's play even though Marat also did not necessarily play his best but executed well on the key points and moments.

1. I think Roger's mind was affected by Safin's affliation with his ex-coach, and the closeness of the last set they played before the semis. Roger was not as confident as he normally is coming into the match. He was still referring to the MC04 meeting about getting over the relationship of Safin and Lundgren. Roger was unnecessarily jittery and could not settle down to play the way he should have. That resulted in the unnecessary errors and double faults he made on crucial points. Although it may be said that Safin pressured him on some of those points, one key rule in tennis is to try to avoid double faults. Instead, let your opponents beat you on those points instead of giving them a freeby. That's one of the reasons for Roger beating Henman of late because he would rather put in the second serve than just double fault and give his opponent confidence. Against Safin, he was going for too much even on first serves when he could clearly have tried to position it and make Safin play. On some serves, he was even avoiding the Safin backhand at the deuce side. Look, no doubt Safin's backhand is a great weapon but dont tell me that a well placed served wont have been effective rather than trying to blast a serve or serving hard to the forehand and receiving a short forced reply that bring an unforced error out of you.

2. Roger did not come with a game plan into the match. Even if he did, his game planned was flawed. I somewhat felt Roger was a little overconfident that Safin wont be able to maintain any consistent level of intensity to beat him. So, Roger was surprised by that. Roger was playing some unnecessary crosscourt forehands which Safin was anticipating better than before because of his work with Lundgren. Many times, he could just have gone down the line and made Safin move but played the balls back to Safin. Some forehands he should have flattened, he looped them and gave Safin time to reach them. One of the most irritating part of this match was that on very crucial points, especially when Roger had 0-30 or 15-30 on Safin's serve, Safin consistently served down the T but Roger did not put in good returns or get himself in position to cover the T. On the crucial points, Safin knew it will be stupid to just go out wide on the deuce court especially if he misses the serve. So, he just went down the T most of the time and Roger did not cover up that spot well at all. Safin was thus able to bail himself out of many holes and did not get himself into bigger pressured points. Many times Roger could have gotten to 0-40 or 15-40 if he had made Safin play on those points or cheated to cover the T and make Safin take a big chance out wide.

Look, I wont take any credit from Safin. He won the match. This is a case where even stats can be very deceiving in this match. Roger could easily have closed the match in the fourth set if he had just taken a little off his serves at 5-2 up and gotten them in especially down the T. Instead, he was serving bigger than he did the whole match on those crucial points. I am not making a guess work about how big he was serving on these crucial points. Everytime Roger served I look on the IBM scoreboard and discovered he served bigger on those crucial points when he could really have positioned his serves and make Safin play on those first serves.

For those who say if Safin is as consistent as Roger, he is the most talented, I don't agree. Roger's game can get around many more players than Safin's game. That's what makes Roger better, not consistency. Roger's variety makes him play various players in different ways and beat them. Safin's plays the game the same way. At his best, he overpowers his opponents both with his serves and returns. It's very easy to go for it on the return when you are serving well. If Roger had pushed Safin to triple breakpoints or double breakpoints when he had the chance to, he would have put more doubt in Safin. Instead, letting Safin off the hook helped raise Safin's confidence.

I am a fan of these 2 guys but wont be deceived into saying Safin is better. One win does not make him that, except Roger suddenly develops a phobia for Safin which he has no reason to.

One other thing. In all honesty, other than Roger's 1st round match, Roger's returning was bad through the whole tournament. Whatever he is trying to add to his game by hiring Roche is actually killing his baseline game. He jumped to the net on a lot of short and ill-placed slices. His point construction from the baseline on many occasions was awful. Any true fan would be able to notice that Roger was just getting by his opponents, including Agassi in the quarters, simply because of the fear factor, not because his returning was good. In the semis, he finally found someone who was just playing better than the other guys he had played and who was not going to be intimidated by Roger.

I am not a fan of the S & V stuff he is trying to add to help him. S & V would not help him on clay, so I dont know why he needs it. He needs to work more importantly on his forehand volley. He doesn't have to play the S & V game. It takes it toll on you. No surprise he got very tired as the match went on. Roger has this short kick serve that barely goes over the net and drags his opponent out wide for a finish down the line. I barely saw him use it in this tournament. Stupidly, he was trying to overpower Safin which he had no reason to.

I am disappointed he lost. But, it's a reality check for him that he's gotta be on his game at all time to put players in their place. I will welcome a rivalry between Roger and Safin but wont be fooled by one match. I pray Safin is consistent this year and also Roger. Then we have the top 2 players. Hopefully, the season gets interesting and Roger should please try to play all the Masters tournament. So, good luck to him.

RogiFan88
02-01-2005, 01:49 AM
Yeah I have been noticing that a lot lately. I think at the end of the year after Roger had such an amazing year and was winning a lot of awards etc. some people are kind of wanting him to fall. I've noticed things he says in interviews now are suddenly called arrogant and even a lot of the commentators seemed to be giving him a hard time at the Australian Open.

Maybe I'm just a bit paranoid but I think there has been a change in feeling with a lot of people.

Well, that Q did bother Rogi and he s have ignored it or not let it bother him so much... not a good sign...

See my post in another thread here... articles

RogiFan88
02-01-2005, 01:53 AM
Certainly Marat's power threw off Rogi's game... and when Marat is confident, his powerful shots are also v accurate... some were quite amazing!

RogiFan88
02-01-2005, 01:57 AM
"1. I think Roger's mind was affected by Safin's affliation with his ex-coach, and the closeness of the last set they played before the semis. Roger was not as confident as he normally is coming into the match. He was still referring to the MC04 meeting about getting over the relationship of Safin and Lundgren. Roger was unnecessarily jittery and could not settle down to play the way he should have. That resulted in the unnecessary errors and double faults he made on crucial points. Although it may be said that Safin pressured him on some of those points, one key rule in tennis is to try to avoid double faults. Instead, let your opponents beat you on those points instead of giving them a freeby. That's one of the reasons for Roger beating Henman of late because he would rather put in the second serve than just double fault and give his opponent confidence. Against Safin, he was going for too much even on first serves when he could clearly have tried to position it and make Safin play. On some serves, he was even avoiding the Safin backhand at the deuce side. Look, no doubt Safin's backhand is a great weapon but dont tell me that a well placed served wont have been effective rather than trying to blast a serve or serving hard to the forehand and receiving a short forced reply that bring an unforced error out of you.
"

Rogi was nervous the whole AO... but yes, esp v. Marat w PL... and he was definitely going for too much on the 1st serve. All those DFs... yikes! Not v. Marat!

RogiFan88
02-01-2005, 02:01 AM
"2. Roger did not come with a game plan into the match. Even if he did, his game planned was flawed. I somewhat felt Roger was a little overconfident that Safin wont be able to maintain any consistent level of intensity to beat him. So, Roger was surprised by that. Roger was playing some unnecessary crosscourt forehands which Safin was anticipating better than before because of his work with Lundgren. Many times, he could just have gone down the line and made Safin move but played the balls back to Safin. Some forehands he should have flattened, he looped them and gave Safin time to reach them. One of the most irritating part of this match was that on very crucial points, especially when Roger had 0-30 or 15-30 on Safin's serve, Safin consistently served down the T but Roger did not put in good returns or get himself in position to cover the T. On the crucial points, Safin knew it will be stupid to just go out wide on the deuce court especially if he misses the serve. So, he just went down the T most of the time and Roger did not cover up that spot well at all. Safin was thus able to bail himself out of many holes and did not get himself into bigger pressured points. Many times Roger could have gotten to 0-40 or 15-40 if he had made Safin play on those points or cheated to cover the T and make Safin take a big chance out wide. "

As I didn't see the whole match I can't comment but Rogi seemed to be coming fr behind a lot, not only in this match... he didn't have a gameplan?? that's what a coach can help you with... yep, Rogi may have been overconfident... if so, not good!

Dirk
02-01-2005, 02:24 AM
Astogod Marat only does the BH drive better than Saffy. As far as his gameplan goes, Roger did have one it's his usual game of granduer. Roger didn't execute it as well because of his FUCKING FOOT BLISTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :fiery: Nerve pain also saved Safin in the 5th set too. He was not overconfident, he just couldn't be great consistency because of his condition and Saffy. He said his FH down the line was not working because of his foot blisters and I have a feeling that many of his missed serves and double faults were a result of his blisters. His chip and charging was not the problem, it's tougher to do it on this surface but Roger made Saffy come up with the goods to pass him. Roger was amazing in his 2nd rd match and in the Andre match. I don't know how you can't admit that. He didn't break Andre more because of Andre's legendary groundies and Roger made some errors that maybe he wouldn't normally make but that is what Andre does to you. Roche is an awesome coach and his teachings will produce great results. Roger is going through a learning period with him

Mixing up S/V on clay will destroy any timing flow for clay courters and will help him. I don't know how you can't see that.

Action Jackson
02-01-2005, 02:27 AM
asotgod, you must not watch any claycourt tennis if you don't think S&V now and then would help Rogi's game on clay to make it more effective.

Skyward
02-01-2005, 02:40 AM
I don't think his return was bad at the AO. But bp conversion was not very good, and he failed to take an advantage of those 0-30 situations a few times.
Marat and the media are going to milk " PL knows how to beat Federer" story as much as they can. Roger should be better prepared next time.

Dirk
02-01-2005, 02:51 AM
Marat was lucky and i do hate saying it because I like Marat and I think he deserved the win, but let's keep this in perspective shall we media types?????? IT'S OK BECAUSE NINJA WILL BE AROUND A LONG TIME AND HE WILL DEFEAT SAFFY AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!!!!!!! :bounce: NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJAAAAAAAAA AA :)

Rommella
02-01-2005, 06:10 AM
A fair amount of perspective on the AO from SI's Jon Wertheim:

8. Obviously, it was a disappointing result for Federer, but here's food for thought: He (was) far from his best against the second-most talented player in tennis. And he came within a point -- literally within inches -- of winning. Also, here's some testament to Federer's elite status: He loses 9-7 in the fifth set to the mountainously talented Safin and the headlines tell us he is "stunned in a huge upset."

Many thanks to babsi and novanora in this interesting time.

Daniel
02-01-2005, 10:33 AM
i dont think Safin desered to win the AO but at the en he won , next time he wont be lucky and will lose to Roger (hope it is a bagel :devil:)

WyveN
02-01-2005, 11:38 AM
I agree with that and I felt that in GM people were suddenly saying Roger's vulernable and he now has a big rival in Marat. Now if Marat plays like that week in week out, then yes it could be a great rivalry. But it took Marat at his best to win 9-7 in the 5th. The talk of crisis and people "working Roger out" has been a real overreaction. Roger will deal with this loss and be fine.


Also lets not forget Roddick beat Federer in late 2003 in a very close match similar to the Safin match. The Roddick fans were quick to declare that Roddick has worked Federer out and that it will now be a true rivalry.
Of course that didn't happen, it may very well be different with Safin, but way to much fuss/conclusions are being made because of one win.
As I told someone else, if Federer had won that match point GM would be filled with gloom threads about how its impossible to beat Federer, how he is killing tennis, how he is depressing the other players and how he is going to win the next 18 slams in a row.

SUKTUEN
02-01-2005, 02:04 PM
:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: I will pray for Roger~

GOD Please bless Roger had Health body and a confidence to be a King of tennis :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

asotgod
02-05-2005, 04:38 PM
Dirk, sorry I am just replying now. You know, I just felt that Roger's returns were not very sharp in the other matches except the one against Santoro. Secondly, in the match against Agassi as much as he was very clinical, Roger made the match more of a service oriented game, where he did just enough to break serve and then dared Agassi to sort of try to keep him from holding his serve for the remainder of the match. Some of Roger's point construction from the baseline were excellent, but I guess I am just asking for too much because I have seen him execute better than he did both in the Agassi and Safin match. Everyone has their off-days.

GWH, I dont like the clay game at all. I am not a fan of 'over-rallying'. I just dont think he should completely change to S & V to dominate. I like his overall game where he choses to mix things up. I actually like serve and volley but I just felt Roger made wrong decisions on when he wanted to serve and volley and it seems to make him tired after a while. But who knows, if he just had won his own matchpoint, maybe we wont be saying this. I know it's important for him to add the S & V game to his arsenal and perfect it. So, I'll try and be patient until he masters it. On the overall in the Safin match, I was just disappointed in the many 0-30 points that Roger could clearly have put more pressure on Safin or returned well. He has returned much bigger serves and of equal positioning. I just felt he did not cover the T serves well at all.

Anyway Dirk and GWH, I'll stay positive like both of you believing that he will be fine as long as he does not get down on himself. I also hope he recovers from any illness he had during the match. Thanks y'all.

RogiFan88
02-05-2005, 06:54 PM
Also lets not forget Roddick beat Federer in late 2003 in a very close match similar to the Safin match. The Roddick fans were quick to declare that Roddick has worked Federer out and that it will now be a true rivalry.
Of course that didn't happen, it may very well be different with Safin, but way to much fuss/conclusions are being made because of one win.
As I told someone else, if Federer had won that match point GM would be filled with gloom threads about how its impossible to beat Federer, how he is killing tennis, how he is depressing the other players and how he is going to win the next 18 slams in a row.

Yes, so those people can shut up now -- they got what they wanted -- a Federer loss -- so they are the ones who s chill out... :rolleyes:

RogiFan88
02-05-2005, 07:01 PM
I like his overall game where he choses to mix things up. I actually like serve and volley ....

I do too! I think that's how he s always play...

On the overall in the Safin match, I was just disappointed in the many 0-30 points that Roger could clearly have put more pressure on Safin or returned well. He has returned much bigger serves and of equal positioning. I just felt he did not cover the T serves well at all.

Anyway Dirk and GWH, I'll stay positive like both of you believing that he will be fine as long as he does not get down on himself. I also hope he recovers from any illness he had during the match. Thanks y'all.

Well, perhaps Safin was just too powerful and too good! I believe that match was Marat's best match of the slam. Vs. Hewitt, he just didn't seem to be as focused and was nervous to start.

We just hope that Rogi will be HEALTHY this year - no 1 priority I think. Two years of success has accumulated physically and mentally now. Rogi is feeling the pressure and it's impossible to defend all those titles -- that's the downside of a brilliant year. Look at Marat when he won 7 titles in 2000, inc the USO... it was too much for him the following year. Both Lleyton and Juanqui have suffered illness and injury since their big years... the only one I can't figure out is Pandy... altho since about last summer, he's starting to lose confidence... they are all human, after all. ;)

Dirk
02-05-2005, 10:04 PM
Astogod. Roger is a great S/V player. You seem to act as if Edberg, Sampras, Henman, Rafter, Mac, Becker, never lost points serving and volleying. :rolleyes: Saffy just came up with great stuff and other times Roger's chip charge wasn't good enough to volley from. Nobody is perfect at doing it all the time especially while playing the 2nd most talented player on the tour. Give it a rest already.

Dirk
02-05-2005, 10:06 PM
Roger is not feeling the pressure. He is doing fine Rogifan. Saffy feel apart due to injuries and he didn't have the mentality to be a dominate number one. Hewitt can't keep up his game because it's too physical so he had to cool his jets for awhile. JC just ran into a cluster of injuries.

YinYin
02-13-2005, 05:03 AM
nm..yes~~it just a fail like any fail others haf,nothing serious~~realli~~
rogi still the best
BTW,Dirk,hehe~~i luv ur name,u know my favor player of nba is dirk

Nimomunz
02-13-2005, 06:49 AM
Roger is not feeling the pressure. He is doing fine Rogifan. Saffy feel apart due to injuries and he didn't have the mentality to be a dominate number one. Hewitt can't keep up his game because it's too physical so he had to cool his jets for awhile. JC just ran into a cluster of injuries.

You just might jinx roger and he may soonbe riddled wth mental probs or injuries!!!