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First tournament : Adelaide

NOMAD
01-01-2005, 06:27 AM
can't wait for the new season:bounce:
btw,Lleyton will pair up with Andrew McLeod to against Roger Rasheed and Kane Cornes on sunday. :)


Next Generation Hardcourts Singles Main Draw


(1)L Hewitt (AUS) vs Qualifier

J Nieminen (FIN) vs A Calleri (ARG)

P Starace (ITA) vs J Benneteau (FRA)

R Ginepri (USA) vs (5)T Dent (USA)

(4)J Chela (ARG) vs S Sargsian (ARM)

Qualifier vs Qualifier

Qualifier vs (WC)T Reid (AUS)

T Berdych (CZE) vs (8)J Melzer (AUT)

(6)R Stepanek (CZE) vs P Kohlschreiber (GER)

O Rochus (BEL) vs A Dupuis (FRA)

(WC)P Baccanello (AUS) vs C Saulnier (FRA)

S Schalken (NED) vs (3)N Kiefer (GER)

(7)F Mayer (GER) vs W Arthurs (AUS)

T Enqvist (SWE) vs R Sluiter (NED)

A Martin (ESP) vs X Malisse (BEL)

(WC)M Kimmich (AUS) vs (2)J Johansson (SWE)

star
01-01-2005, 02:08 PM
Sunday is actually Saturday, right? :lol:

I can't wait. I am so lazy though. I want to know what time the matches are played USA time, but I don't want to look it up. If any energetic person has already done that task, let me know. :hatoff:

Socket
01-01-2005, 03:04 PM
Star, if your New Year's resolution was to be lazy and get someone else to do things for you, well, so far, you're doing great keeping your resolution! :worship:

I posted this at Satuday 11 am Eastern time, and it's Sunday 2:30 am in Adelaide. :angel:

star
01-01-2005, 03:33 PM
ummm... no... That's just a carry over from last year. :lol: :lol:

Ok... So... I guess that means we've got 12 hours or so to wait. :)

Lisbeth
01-02-2005, 12:33 AM
Good luck to Lleyton in Adelaide ... the place where it all began :)

NOMAD
01-02-2005, 08:44 AM
Double Draw

(1) G. Etlis / M. Rodriguez
J. Johansson / T. Woodbridge

N. Kiefer / R. Stepanek
F.Mayer/G.Oliver

(4) S. Aspelin / T. Perry
C. Haggard / R. Koenig

L. Hewitt / R. Rasheed
J. Thomas / J. Kerr

T. Berdych / J. Melzer
R. Leach / B. Macphie

P. Baccanello / N. Healey
(3) X. Malisse / O. Rochus

J. Benneteau / C. Saulnier
A. Calleri / J. Chela

(2) W. Arthurs / P. Hanley
T. Dent / R. Ginepri

NOMAD
01-02-2005, 08:49 AM
Order of Play for Monday 3 January 2005

Center Court start 10:15 AM

(WC)P Baccanello (AUS) vs C Saulnier (FRA)

T Enqvist (SWE) vs R Sluiter (NED)

(WC)Hewitt/Rasheed vs Kerr/Thomas

(1)Etlis/Rodriguez vs Johansson/Woodbridge

Starting at 7:00 PM

(7)F Mayer (GER) vs W Arthurs (AUS)

S Schalken (NED) vs (3)N Kiefer (GER)

Court 7 start 10:15 AM
Qualifying Irakli Labadze (GEO) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (FRA)
Qualiyfing Arnaud Clement (FRA) v Brian Baker (USA)

T Berdych (CZE) vs (8)J Melzer (AUT)

O Rochus (BEL) vs A Dupuis (FRA)

(4)Aspelin/Perry vs Haggard/Koenig

Court 10 start 10.15AM
Alex Bogomolov Jnr (USA) v Amer Delic (USA)
Sebastien De Chaunac (FRA) v Sadik Kadir (AUS)

Yasmine
01-02-2005, 01:53 PM
Youhou! I'm gonna be able to watch the first couple of matches as I'm home and my dear mum and dad have cable! i don't care getting up in the middle of the night, if my calculations are right Adelaide is 9 hours ahead of me :p Anyone needs something to be taped? :D
Is there a website I can go and have a look at... I have a resolution of laziness too these days :p :lol:

kim-fan
01-02-2005, 02:08 PM
I think this is the official website: http://www.australianmenshardcourts.com.au/pages/default.aspx?id=5878

Socket
01-02-2005, 03:05 PM
Youhou! I'm gonna be able to watch the first couple of matches as I'm home and my dear mum and dad have cable! i don't care getting up in the middle of the night, if my calculations are right Adelaide is 9 hours ahead of me :p Anyone needs something to be taped? :D
Is there a website I can go and have a look at... I have a resolution of laziness too these days :p :lol:
Yeah, yasmine, I'd love it if you could tape Lleyton's matches! If you tape 'em, I'll make copies for folks who want 'em.

Yasmine
01-02-2005, 04:26 PM
Alright I just checked and I'm not sure they(ll show us on the sport's channels here :bigcry:. The other problem is that the video system in the us seems to be different than Europe so i'm not sure how it would work. But i'll check if the matches are shown or not ;). And I would tape whatever I can no problem!

Socket
01-02-2005, 04:42 PM
Don't worry about the video system, I have one of those VCRs that can play PAL and SECEM as well as NTSC.

Yasmine
01-02-2005, 04:46 PM
Don't worry about the video system, I have one of those VCRs that can play PAL and SECEM as well as NTSC.
Alright, i'll keep my eyes open and tape everything I can. I am staying home until wednesday afternoon so I can tape any matches until then (given that there is a 9 hours difference). I'll let you know what I get ;)

callista
01-02-2005, 04:48 PM
hi ! :wavey: I 'm new here and sorry for my english and good luck lleyton :)

Yasmine
01-02-2005, 07:29 PM
hi ! :wavey: I 'm new here and sorry for my english and good luck lleyton :)
Youhou another frenchy! bienvenue et je suis sûre que tu te plairas ici...
Oups back to english (sorry guys a compatriot I make the most of it :p).

callista
01-02-2005, 07:42 PM
thank you Jasmine :wavey: , I m very sorry for my english ( oui je suis pas très doué enfin je me débrouile ) but I try to write english as well as possible :)

callista
01-02-2005, 07:46 PM
oops ! I think I 've make an error in just I do write and maybe again here , sorry ! for the people who speake english :confused:

star
01-02-2005, 08:09 PM
:hug: :hug: We don't care if you make mistakes in English!! My goodness, think of the mistakes I would make in French (if I knew anything beyond Bonjour, that is. :lol: ) We like it when you post. As long as we can get an idea of what you are saying, the mistakes are unimportant.

Your English looks very good to me. :kiss: :kiss:

callista
01-02-2005, 08:31 PM
thank you very much star :hug:

<em>
01-02-2005, 08:59 PM
oooh Come on lleyton!! i'm so happy i can go nack into the supporting spirit...jeeeej tennis season is back..
and yasmine since u are the lucky one that gets to c tennis on tv will u update me on not only his great skills but also on the color of his shirt ;) hihi...

ooh and ollie and xavier are playing in singles and douubles!! doubles that will be fun...i'd love to c them play lleyton and rasheed, but i suppose that tehy can only meet in the final!!! well i can always dream can't i...

Yasmine
01-02-2005, 10:59 PM
thank you Jasmine :wavey: , I m very sorry for my english ( oui je suis pas très doué enfin je me débrouile ) but I try to write english as well as possible :)
Mais tu te débrouilles pas mal du tout... And think about all the lucky english speaking people who don't have to make the effort to speak another language :p (no offense to anyone, I live in the uk and I know what I'm talking about :rolleyes: ). I am sure your english will improve a lot by posting here. :angel:

PS: au fait pour corriger un de tes posts, tu cliques sur "edit" en bas à droite de ton post et tu peux le modifier si tu trouves des erreurs ou tu veux ajouter quelquechose:p. Alright alright back to english ;) I just thought it would be easier for me to explain in french...

Yasmine
01-02-2005, 11:00 PM
oooh Come on lleyton!! i'm so happy i can go nack into the supporting spirit...jeeeej tennis season is back..
and yasmine since u are the lucky one that gets to c tennis on tv will u update me on not only his great skills but also on the color of his shirt ;) hihi...

I promise I will. and I'll even try to get some pictures for you :p

Socket
01-02-2005, 11:01 PM
My brother's wife is French, and she insists on speaking English, not French with me. She says she needs to speak English more than I need to speak French. I can see her point . . .

Yasmine
01-02-2005, 11:11 PM
My brother's wife is French, and she insists on speaking English, not French with me. She says she needs to speak English more than I need to speak French. I can see her point . . .
hihi speaking another language brings you access to a lot of new things. What I've done before with someone is me in english and them speaking french, everyone learns a bit that way :p

Goonergal
01-02-2005, 11:41 PM
Eep, it seems to early for the tennis season to start again! I'm not prepared :p

Murkofan
01-02-2005, 11:46 PM
Me neither :p I'm still in vacation mode, staying up 'til 3 and getting up at noon :p

Lisbeth
01-03-2005, 04:59 AM
I agree - and it's all started at once this week!

If you can keep that time schedule up, Marly, you'll be just about right to talk to me when I go back to work tomorrow :)

NikeTennis
01-03-2005, 05:01 AM
any new pics of hewwit?

Lisbeth
01-03-2005, 05:02 AM
There's a 2005 picture thread if that helps :)

NikeTennis
01-03-2005, 05:36 AM
^ where?

NOMAD
01-03-2005, 05:58 AM
Kerr/Thomas d(WC)Hewitt/Rasheed 7-6(3) 6-7(3) 6-2 :ras:

well...at least he won't waste too much energy

NikeTennis
01-03-2005, 06:00 AM
wat was he wearing?

Yasmine
01-03-2005, 08:17 AM
wat was he wearing?
That is the most important question, pictures please!!! ;)

NOMAD
01-03-2005, 08:44 AM
new quote from Lley "If I've got to win the Australian Open on cowshit I'll try my best to do it" :lol:

Hewitt steps up attack on Open surface
January 3, 2005 - 7:54PM


World No.3 Lleyton Hewitt has renewed his criticisms of the Australian Open court surface, saying he had had a "gutful" of trying to persuade officials to install faster courts, but would play on "cowshit" if required to win his national grand slam.

Hewitt, who last week said the Rebound Ace surface at Melbourne Park was too slow, was backed by his coach, Roger Rasheed, who said the courts were not worthy of a grand slam tournament.

Hewitt and Rasheed made the criticisms after losing a first-round doubles match at the Next Generation Hardcourts event at Adelaide's Memorial Drive, played on a Rebound Ace surface that mirrors that in Melbourne.

"If I've got to win the Australian Open on cowshit I'll try my best to do it," Hewitt said.

"I'll go out there and I'll do everything in my power to do that and it's the same with this court.

"(Australian Open tournament director Paul) McNamee's not going to change his mind.

"It doesn't worry me, at the end of the day I've got to go out there and try to win the Australian Open and I plan to try to do that on whatever I've got to play on."

Hewitt said he thought he should have more influence on Australian tennis officials, having been world No.1.

"I'm baffled by the whole thing, I really am, and I've had a gutful of it to tell you the truth," he said.

"As I said, I'm prepared to win anything on any surface and the Australian Open means more to me than anything else and I'll go out there and compete as hard as possible.

"I'll still rate my chances as good as anyone's going into it, even on this surface, but I just don't think it helps.

"It's not just me, though, I just don't think it helps any of the Australian players."

Rasheed said he did not believe the Melbourne Park surface was worthy of a grand slam.

"For me personally I don't, I don't like the speed of the court," he said.

"It's not a manufacturer's problem, it's not their problem, they've been given a direction to lay this court.

"I believe the court was slowed down after 2000 because there were complaints that it was too quick.

"Now if you're sort of jumping around and trying to please everybody after 2000 and all of a sudden you make a quick change and go the opposite end, well I don't think it's necessary."

Hewitt and Rasheed lost 7-6 (7-3) 6-7 (5-7) 6-2 to Australian Jordan Kerr and American Jim Thomas.

But Hewitt was unruffled by the loss, saying the match had been more about adjusting to court conditions and the pressure of tournament play to ready himself for his singles, after several weeks off the court.

He plays Frenchman Arnaud Clement in a first-round singles match on Monday night.

ally_014
01-03-2005, 08:46 AM
:lol: @ Lleyton - perhaps cowshit would be just as good as the potato field of 1999? :p

It's a pity that they lost, but I guess it fulfilled it's purpose in giving that bit of competition before his first match. Arnaud Clement could be tricky, was he injured or something that made him have to qualify?

I had to laugh when I saw him wearing the sleeveless on the news cos the other day in our local paper they did a list of 'appropriate' New Years Resolutions for sports stars - Lleyton's was to have bigger biceps than Serena Williams! Don't think he's succeeded yet! :p (Sorry Lleyts)

Dunno what to think about the court speed. Obviously Lleyton feels like they should take him into consideration cos he's practically carried us for the last few years, but the AO doesn't want to open themselves up for criticisms of favouritism after 2000. :confusion:

Oh, and major :fiery: @ channel 7 for not televising ANYTHING until Saturday. I assume they have the rights since Fox aren't showing it either. 4 weeks of the year they're in Australia and they don't even capitalise on it! :(

NOMAD
01-03-2005, 08:52 AM
:lol: @ Lleyton - perhaps cowshit would be just as good as the potato field of 1999? :p

I hope he won't get a nickname because of this
Patato is fine ,but cowshit...:tape:

NOMAD
01-03-2005, 09:00 AM
Order Of Play
Tuesday 4 January 2005

Center Court
Matches Start At:10:00 AM
Alberto MARTIN (ESP) vs Xavier MALISSE (BEL)
followed by
Robby GINEPRI (USA) vs Taylor DENT (USA)
followed by
Marc KIMMICH (AUS) vs Joachim JOHANSSON (SWE)
followed by
Juan Ignacio CHELA (ARG) vs Sargis SARGSIAN (ARM)

Starting at 7:00 PM
followed by
Lleyton HEWITT (AUS) vs Arnaud CLEMENT (FRA)

Amer DELIC (USA) vs Todd REID (AUS)

ally_014
01-03-2005, 09:00 AM
...would not be good! (To say the least! :tape: )

Good luck anyway tomorrow Lleyts :)

NOMAD
01-03-2005, 09:05 AM
http://www.australianmenshardcourts.com.au/pages/article.aspx?id=5878&articleid=ArticleID20051312713&pageId=8527&HandlerId=1

January 3, 2005

Lleyton Hewitt opened his Next Generation Hardcourts campaign at Memorial Drive, Adelaide, today with a tight three set doubles encounter partnering his coach, Roger Rasheed.

Hewitt, 23, and Rasheed, 35, played a fierce match against experienced doubles players Jordan Kerr (SA) and Jim Thomas (USA), eventually falling 7-6(3) 6-7(3) 6-2 in two hours, 17 minutes.


"It’s a bit of fun. If I get an opportunity to play a doubles match before my singles, I’ve always done it," said Hewitt, who dropped his serve only once the entire match, in the sixth game of the final set.

"For me it’s more about the conditions and playing a proper match and getting that feel and tension again, and serving on big points. It was good to get to play a couple of breakers out there. They’re the big points and that’s when you want to come out and play your best tennis."

The world No.3 and top seed in Adelaide will play 2001 Australian Open finalist Arnaud Clement of France in his opening singles match tomorrow night.

Now ranked 106 after a patchy year in 2004, Clement won his final qualifying match at the Next Generation Hardcourts beating rising American talent Brian Baker 6-3 6-1. Two other Frenchmen qualified for the main draw and will play each other: Sebastien De Chaunac and Jean-Rene Lisnard.

The final qualifier, 22-year-old Amer Delic, drew Sydney wildcard Todd Reid. While Reid was recovering from the side effects of glandular fever in 2004, Delic built his ranking to No.173 in the world with solid performances on the Challenger circuit and a second round appearance at the US Open in September. This will be their first meeting.

Hewitt holds a 4-0 record against Clement, last beating him in the quarterfinals at Sydney 12 months ago in three sets.

"Of all the qualifiers he’s definitely got the most experience out of the four," Hewitt said. "On paper he’s probably the toughest. If I play well enough, I’ll come away with a win. It’s probably a good situation to play somebody I’ve got a lot of respect for. He’s not going to give me any cheap points."

Also today, South Australian wildcard Paul Baccanello fought hard to stay in the Next Generation Hardcourts, losing a close match to Frenchman Cyril Saulnier 6-2 7-6 (3). Opening proceedings on Centre Court Baccanello, 25, threatened to force a third set decider as rain closed in. After a brief delay, Baccanello, who is making a comeback from injury, returned to force the second set into a tiebreaker and saved one match point before Saulnier wrapped up the match.

"It didn’t help getting broken in my first game," Baccanello said. "That would have given me a bit of confidence. I wasn’t that nervous. I didn’t play a horror. He returned quite well and it would have been nice to get a couple of free points. I didn’t quite have the rhythm on my serve early in the match, which hurt me. There’s still a few holes in my game that I’ve got to fix."

Following Baccanello, 1999 Adelaide champion Thomas Enqvist made short work of his first match against Dutchman Raemon Sluiter, blitzing his opponent 6-3 6-1. "I love to come back to Adelaide and play," said world No.73 Enqvist, who will take on the winner of tonight’s match between big serving Australian Wayne Arthurs and No.7 seed Florian Mayer. "That court is very very nice to play on. I like the sound of the ball. There is also a lot of very good memories playing on that court."

In the final match of the day, record-winning doubles supremo Todd Woodbridge and his partner for this tournament only, Joachim Johansson, were unable to beat back tough Argentinians and No.1 seeds Gaston Etlis and Martin Rodriguez, losing 1-6 7-6(5) 6-4.

Tomorrow’s day session starting at 10am opens with Alberto Martin of Spain against Belgian Xavier Malisse followed by Robby Ginepri (USA) against his doubles partner, Taylor Dent. Wildcard Australian Marc Kimmich gets his first taste of big-time tennis when he fronts No.2 seed Joachim Johansson of Sweden and Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) is the final match playing Sargis Sargsian (ARM).

The night session will kick off at 7pm with Adelaide Crows footballers Andrew McLeod and Scott Welch playing Tyson Edwards and Ken McGregor in a super tiebreak exhibition before Hewitt’s singles match. Crows No.1 ticketholder Hewitt will then play Clement followed by Reid against Delic.

Also watching from the stands will be popular 2004 Big Brother housemate Ryan Fitzgerald, who will sign autographs in Garden Square from 1pm on Wednesday, January 5.

lleyki4eva
01-03-2005, 11:32 AM
thanx for the articles!!!:kiss:

tournesol
01-03-2005, 11:53 AM
:wavey: thread

i'm happy the season is on again; thanks everyone for the update on the adelaide tourny

go Ll

Socket
01-03-2005, 01:40 PM
I'm glad that Lleyton is saying what he thinks about the AO surface. Being complacent is not in his nature, and that's something I admire about him. Sorry, but I'm not a fan of those players who sit back and do nothing to help improve the sport or work to improve their nation's chances at winning grand slams.

Personally, I think that AO managers have gone overboard out of an unreasonable fear of being perceived as "playing favorites." That's absurd. They should stop worrying about being criticized so much and concentrate on helping players avoid injury and getting fans in the stands, which, as Lleyton correctly says, means more Aussies in the second week. You have to surface your courts one way or the other, and it will always favor some players over others. The surface has been slow since 2000, so why speed it up now? Especially if your only top 10 player asks you to. McNamee has got a loser's mentality. It's not as if Lleyton would be the ONLY player helped by that; the majority of players (not including the claycourters) prefer faster courts.

Aussie men's tennis is obviously in a state of crisis, and has fallen tremendously from its glory days. But does anybody do anything? No. They're all so worried about their image that they simply stand around wringing their hands and talking about the good old days. The whole lot of them should be fired.

NikeTennis
01-03-2005, 01:44 PM
wooooooooooooooo hewwit pissed!!

sprinterluck
01-03-2005, 02:45 PM
LMAO at the last paragraph :p :devil:

Basketball: Nash long-shot to make 36ers' 'Magnificent 7'
By BOTI NAGY
03jan05
MARK Nash, perhaps the one missing piece of an Adelaide 36ers' NBL championship puzzle, will be back on court at practice today.

But the 28-year-old guard/forward and starter in Adelaide's 2002 championship-winning team says it is extremely unlikely he will return in time from his back injury to be of on-court help in the 36ers' pursuit of the Philips Championship.

"I'm not getting too carried away," he said after already having experienced a couple of false starts.

"All I'm doing (today) is just a bit of a test to see how it goes.

"I'll do some light shooting to get an indicator if it's improving.

"I'm not ruling out (playing this season) but it's really a long-shot.

"I'm staying positive but I might not be able to play again.

"If I'm not ready by the end of the season, then it's really not looking too good for me to go on.

"I love playing and the hardest thing I've been dealing with lately is the possibility of never playing again. It's such a big part of my life and I've been doing it so long."

For Nash to be eligible to join the 36ers in the post-season, he needs to play a minimum of seven regular season games. That means he would have to be fit to go against Melbourne on January 26.

It appears to be more like a prayer than a long-shot. And if he is out, signing an Australian free agent to replace him also would need to get done by then and looks equally unlikely for two reasons.

One is the fact Nash is such a versatile performer. At 197cm, he can defend point guards through to power forwards while fulfilling a range of offensive assignments.

Finding someone like him at this point of the year who also is Australian, a free agent, available and willing to play for bus fare is too great a challenge in itself.

The other reason Adelaide will not be able to replace him is – according to Auditor-General's reports and a lack of management action – the club does not have the financial resources.

Adelaide instead today will turn its focus to what it does know and can work at – preparing for Wednesday's first meeting this season with NBL form side Brisbane.

"Realistically we've spent a fair bit of time concentrating on ourselves," 36ers coach Phil Smyth said. "We haven't seen them but we know they're playing well.

"We get Jason (Williams) back and he'll play some minutes in Brisbane."

Williams has been missing after aggravating a foot injury which required off-season surgery.

In his absence, Brett Maher and Willie Farley have been chalking up a lot of minutes. Both equalled career-highs in Friday's 102-94 New Year's Eve celebration over Sydney.

Maher's 12 assists and Farley's nine defensive rebounds matched their previous NBL highs in those statistical categories.

Maher also had 25 points and Farley a game-high 27. But they barely left the hardwood, Williams' return to provide breathing space.

Darren Ng has struggled physically at times against some of the bigger teams but should also see substantial action against the Bullets who boast a robust guard rotation with Stephen Black, Derek Rucker, Simon Kerle and Mick Hill.

Dusty Rychart continued to show his AllStar qualities with another fine performance for 24 points and frontcourt misery for the Kings.

But the 36ers still need more offensively from the rest of the crew to prevent teams focusing defensively on the "big three".

Jacob Holmes has shown he can collate points with his rebounding numbers and Oscar Forman has done some excellent work.

David Cooper is a major asset but moreso at the defensive end while Paul Rees should be raring to go against his previous team.

With a road win over Perth and Friday's home success over Sydney, the 36ers have shown they are well and truly in the championship mix.

But so too are the Kings, sleeper Wollongong and Wednesday's road opponent, Brisbane. And after the Bullets, Adelaide will front up to Hunter in Newcastle on Saturday.

A Mark Nash-type in the line-up may still prove the difference between a ring and a near-thing.

"We'll train, then we'll go as a team and watch Lleyton (Hewitt) and Roger Rasheed in the doubles," Smyth said of today's schedule. "Lleyton has been a great supporter of ours and we know the guy he's playing with is questionable."

Murkofan
01-03-2005, 03:34 PM
"Now if you're sort of jumping around and trying to please everybody after 2000 and all of a sudden you make a quick change and go the opposite end, well I don't think it's necessary."

But now they're supposed to jump around and change for you? Whatever Roger :p

Socket
01-03-2005, 03:59 PM
Dunno what to think about the court speed. Obviously Lleyton feels like they should take him into consideration cos he's practically carried us for the last few years, but the AO doesn't want to open themselves up for criticisms of favouritism after 2000.
You know, if Lleyton were the only player to benefit from speeding up the courts, I would agree that it would be favoritism, but that's not the case. Faster courts will help not only Lleyton, but also Roddick and Marat and even Federer. The majority of players prefer faster surfaces, and fans seems to enjoy play on faster surfaces, too. So, to me, this is a no-brainer. I don't know why McNamee is being so stubborn. He may just not want to admit that they made a mistake in 2000, and I suspect that they're very nervous about admitting the surface has caused so many injuries.

Socket
01-03-2005, 04:00 PM
Oh, and major @ channel 7 for not televising ANYTHING until Saturday. I assume they have the rights since Fox aren't showing it either. 4 weeks of the year they're in Australia and they don't even capitalise on it!

Wow, Channel 7 is picking up the bad habits of US television. Sad.

Yasmine
01-03-2005, 04:14 PM
Pff Lleyton is playing guess what :rolleyes: ? a french player again! Not that I won't be supporting him but being a bit patriotic I don't like it when he plays (and beats nearly everytime of course!) some frenchies... :devil:

Regarding the surface debate: I am glad Lleyton opened his mouth and spoke out, especially if a lot of players would agree with him and benefit from it. Why do tourney organiser not do something that would: please the players, make better entertainment for the public and prevent injuries more. What are they running the tournament for then? I'm not an expert at all on that subject but from what I can read from people who seem to know a bit more than me that sounds a silly stubborn decision. :mad:

Murkofan
01-03-2005, 04:16 PM
You could argue that there are already two Slams on fast surfaces, and this gives clay courters, who already get the short shrift, a better chance of success. After all, the AO and FO do trade WCs :aplot:

Yasmine
01-03-2005, 04:22 PM
You could argue that there are already two Slams on fast surfaces, and this gives clay courters, who already get the short shrift, a better chance of success. After all, the AO and FO do trade WCs :aplot:
Very good point:yeah:! I had not thought of that. I'm one of these fans who watch tennis all the time but doesn't know much about all the technical stuff :tape:.

Socket
01-03-2005, 05:12 PM
You could argue that there are already two Slams on fast surfaces, and this gives clay courters, who already get the short shrift, a better chance of success. After all, the AO and FO do trade WCs :aplot:
One type of hardcourt or another is the surface for the majority of the tournaments, so to me, it makes sense to have two slams with that surface. A hardcourt is now the "default" surface on the tour, much like clay was many, many years ago.

But I'd change Rebound Ace to another type of hardcourt surface that's less tacky and results in fewer injuries. The tackiness of the court is a completely different issue than its speed, but again, to me, it signals that Tennis Australia is simply not responsive to players' needs in general, much less Lleyton in particular. Every year, players get injured on Rebound Ace and every year, there are articles written showing that Rebound Ace produces more injuries than any other surface, and still, they continue to use it. IIRC, this was one of the issues that Wayne Ferreira's breakaway group wanted the ATP to address.

Lisbeth
01-03-2005, 09:22 PM
My understanding is that rebound ace was actually designed to causes less injuries overall and in fact it does because it drastically reduces impact and wear and tear type injuries which you get on concrete. However it does seem to cause twisted ankles when the players are going ninety to the dozen in the heat. It's ideal for kids learning to play but more of a ? for pros.

However, I find this subject interwesting so if anyone has a source of articles saying rebound ace causes more injuries, I'd like to read them :)

Lisbeth
01-03-2005, 09:26 PM
I hope he won't get a nickname because of this
Patato is fine ,but cowshit...:tape:

My thoughts precisely :lol:

star
01-03-2005, 09:59 PM
Here's an article sort of tangentially about the subject of Rebound Ace and injuries. The upshot is that a survey by the WTA didn't show a pattern.

Injury probe on Rebound Ace
By Linda Pearce
April 16, 2004

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Australian Open officials will seek details of an informal survey commissioned this year by the Women's Tennis Association to assess whether the tournament's Rebound Ace surface is contributing to the heavy injury toll afflicting the women's game.

WTA chief executive Larry Scott confirmed that the tour was investigating whether court surfaces could be responsible for some of the problems that have recently sidelined the likes of the Williams sisters, Kim Clijsters, Jennifer Capriati and Amelie Mauresmo.

"I asked for a survey on Rebound Ace around the time of the Australian Open, when so many players were going down. I already got back an initial report which says 'it's hard to find a pattern here'," Scott told sportsillustrated.com.

"I think all these players going down so early in the season is an unfortunate confluence of some unconnected events. We've looked at past years and there's nothing to explain why there has been so many more injuries this year."

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Australian Open chief executive Paul McNamee, a staunch defender of the Open's hardcourt surface despite its tendency to become sticky in extreme heat, said local officials had until recently been unaware of the existence of a survey, which a WTA spokesman said was far from exhaustive. The matter is likely to be raised at the next Australian Open management meeting later this month.

"But the good news was that there wasn't any correlation from their perspective between injuries and the surface; it's something we've always believed and now the WTA's come to that conclusion," McNamee said.

"Hardcourt ultimately is going to have more of a toll on your body than claycourts, we all know that, but there was no particular reason why Rebound Ace was any different to any other hardcourt.

"The result's not unexpected, but we are going to ask for feedback because any research or intelligence is good to have."

Socket
01-03-2005, 10:16 PM
Here's another article with a contrary conclusion by a sports medicine expert, which I've copied from GM. Personally, I've always thought that the AO and tour officials are just in denial about the injuries, because it would cost a lot of money to resurface all the courts in Australia.



Australian Open organisers breathed a sigh of relief yesterday, as the last of the lead-up tournaments concluded, diminishing the chances of more seeds going down with injury.

In Sydney, the Open's seventh seed Carlos Moya badly sprained his right ankle, handing the adidas International title to Lleyton Hewitt in a walkover. Moya, who later went to hospital for X-rays, joins a string of players who have sustained foot or ankle injuries on the Rebound Ace surface this summer, including Kim Clijsters and Alicia Molik.

The Spaniard rolled his ankle in the seventh game of the first set, got it strapped and then played another four points before retiring from the match. He now faces a race to be ready for tomorrow's tough first-round assignment against American James Blake. "I don't know how it's going to be. I hope it's not going to be that bad but it really hurts a lot," Moya said.

Rebound Ace has attracted criticism in recent years because of the number of foot and ankle injuries that occur on the surface. The warmer the weather, the stickier the court becomes and the most common injuries are the kind Moya sustained yesterday.

At the Hopman Cup, Clijsters was also forced to withdraw with an ankle injury, while Hewitt rolled on his ankle but was able to carry on playing. World No.1 Justine Henin-Hardenne also hurt her ankle last week.

Leading Australian sports medicine expert Peter Larkins said yesterday the Rebound Ace courts had a "high injury ranking" because they could become sticky, with players susceptible to shin, ankle and blistering problems.

Hewitt said he wasn't sure if the Rebound Ace surface was to blame for the injury to Moya. "It gets hot out there," he said. "I don't know how hot it was courtside, but in the middle it felt about 60 (degrees). It was just the heat, (but) it is an awkward part of the court.

"So when it gets hot out there it gets sticky ... It's partly probably because of the court as well. I'm not really sure."

Clijsters' quest to be fit for the Australian Open's first round was aided yesterday when she was not scheduled to play until Tuesday.

Australian Open spokesman John Lindsay said the number of injuries was not unusual but gaining more attention because it was the beginning of the tennis season. "Certainly because it is the beginning of the season there is more focus and every injury is looked at closely under the microscope," he said.

Players such as Venus Williams and Lindsay Davenport have come to Australia this season after lengthy injury lay-offs last season, while Serena Williams (knee) and Jennifer Capriati (back) are failing to make the journey after injuries which curtailed their 2003 seasons.

Davenport, the only past champion in the Open women's draw, will gingerly test her injured shoulder late today ahead of tomorrow's opening match against Ruxandra Dragomir-Illie. "If I don't serve 100 per cent on Monday or Tuesday hopefully I can still win," she said. "It's more about getting my arm ready hopefully for the latter rounds of the tournament."

Yesterday she described the strained muscle as 'not something to really make a big deal about", and instead shifted the focus to her opponents.

"I feel like some other players probably have injuries more severe and (are a) bigger threat of withdrawal," Davenport said.

Yesterday the Open's top men's seed Andy Roddick withdrew from his final match at Kooyong citing blisters on his feet after his two-hour match against eventual winner David Nalbandian on Friday.

The American was advised by a trainer to withdraw from yesterday's match against Roger Federer in case he was drawn to play on the opening day of the grand slam and he will now be pleased he did.

Lisbeth
01-03-2005, 10:45 PM
Thanks guys :) It would be good to see a real, substantiated study done rather than so much anecdotal stuff (I wonder how the WTA one was conducted, for instance). I'd like to know, for example, what "injury ranking" Peter Larkins means - is there an official list or is this just his opinion? One problem of course is that it's difficult to compare, say, a knee injury caused by ongoing impact to an ankle sprained actually during a match. The knee might be more likely to end a career, but the ankle is a lot more dramatic.

I don't know if money is the issue seeing as they seem to have no issue shipping in grass courts for Davis Cup at phenomenal cost - in other words, there's serious money for tennis in Australia when they need it. I think they are just convinced by the pro rebound ace crowd, perhaps wrongly. The manufacturer's website (which I found by sticking "rebound ace" into google) makes it sound as though it's proven to reduce injuries ;)

Personally, I'd be very happy if they went back to the ultra-safe surface of grass but that's not likely to happen :lol:

Lisbeth
01-03-2005, 10:46 PM
... and I guess the grass courts might not be so lush looking by the time we factored in Sydney's water restrictions ;)

Socket
01-04-2005, 12:05 AM
I suspect that there's some "national pride" tied up with Rebound Ace, which is a home-grown product.

As for the money, if Melbourne Park went to another hardcourt surface, then all the lead-up tournaments would have to do the same. That's a fair number of courts to re-surface. I read in an Australian tennis magazine that it cost $200,000 (Aussie dollars, I assume) to install the grass court for the last DC tie. Tearing up all the Rebound Ace courts would definitely cost more than that.

But, you know, there's precedent for changing surfaces. The US Open went from grass to hardcourts, and all the directors of the lead-up events screamed like stuck pigs, but in the end, it worked out just fine. And wasn't the AO played on grass at one time, too?

Lisbeth
01-04-2005, 12:12 AM
Yes, it was on grass until quite late - I think Navratilova played the AO on grass. You could be right about the "home grown" thing. Also, I doubt AO will ever go to the kind of "true" hardcourt USO is (can't remember the proper name!) because it seems to me the Aussie establishment is convinced that that's the absolute worst surface for injuries - they are quite scathing about it. It's all very intriguing ;)

Anyway, hoping the weather stays cool (it certainly has been here) and everyone's ankles stay intact :)

Socket
01-04-2005, 12:46 AM
USO uses DecoTurf II, as do the lead-in tournaments. Its best feature is that the top coat is very easily adjusted for speed.

I'd love to see a study comparing DecoTurf II to Rebound Ace with respect to injuries. I won't be surprised if DecoTurf II produces fewer injuries, because it's less sticky. DT II uses what's called "sand" for traction, so that it looks grainy, while RA has a smoother surface that contains a rubber-based substance to make it sticky. So how the traction is produced differs between the two. Some players (like Lleyton!) can acually slide on DT II.

But, DecoTurf II and Rebound Ace are only two hardcourt surfaces. There are others, and they could use one of those if they're afraid of being branded a USO clone (the wusses).

Lisbeth
01-04-2005, 01:15 AM
Interesting, thanks. I don't think "wussiness" is the issue but as for pride - quite possibly!

I would love to see that study too, partly because I am sick of the annual bickering whereby one group (which seems to include many Americans) blame rebound ace and the AO being too early for injuries while another group (which definitely includes many Australians) blames too long a hardcourt season at the end of the year. I don't have a view on which surface is better but if we had the properly collated data then people could make sensible, educated decisions. At least I hope they would - you can never be sure ;)

Back to the topic - I'm actually quite annoyed Ll will play the night match because it's much harder for me to follow scores at home!

Murkofan
01-04-2005, 01:35 AM
Personally, I like DTII and Rebound Ace equally. I think it's nice that there are differences in the way they play; if they were exactly the same, that would be even more of an advantage for hardcourters, who are already fairly dominant and have plenty of other tournaments to work with.

However, Rebound Ace might be better indoors (to eliminate the melty/stickiness) or in a less sunny country :p

Socket
01-04-2005, 02:01 AM
I think the problem with using RA indoors is that, as a hardcourt, it's built over a permanent cement base, and many (most?) indoor courts are in multi-use facilities, so the tennis court isn't permanent. That's why they use some form of carpet, which can be laid over almost any surface and picked up easily.

ally_014
01-04-2005, 05:52 AM
I still dunno what to think! :p It probably is a bit to do with aussie pride – they often claim that the excess of injuries in January is due to people not preparing properly during December and not being fit enough. (I think that was Lley actually). I agree with you that it would benefit more than just Lleyton if the courts were faster. It’s odd, cos most of us would enjoy watching them play on a faster court, but the AO organisers seem convinced that we want to see longer rallies, not serve-dominated matches etc. They’re probly just trying to reassure themselves that what they are doing now is fine, and the reason Lleyton is all by his lonesome at the top is because of the unlucky combination of Mercury and Jupiter when they built Melbourne Park, or some other such twat, and al the money they get is best used to facilitate their own wishes. :rolleyes: On another note, what do y’all think about Cashie’s theory of the balls being at fault?

Lisbeth
01-04-2005, 06:12 AM
I think Cash is an idiot. Full stop. Can't the guy go 10 minutes without saying something stupid to get attention?

Don't they use the same balls for all the slams anyway?

Neely
01-04-2005, 06:17 AM
GOOD LUCK LLEYTON back at home in your hometown!!!!!!!! :aparty: :bounce:
:worship:

NOMAD
01-04-2005, 08:32 AM
Pollard joins surface debate
http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,11851813%255E23216,00.html

04jan05
TENNIS Australia President Geoff Pollard has joined the debate over the speed of the Melbourne Park court surface for this month's Australian Open.

In response to Lleyton Hewitt's criticism that the court was too slow, Pollard guaranteed the the surface was faster than last year.

"We did ask for it to be made faster than last year and, to my knowledge, it is faster," he said today.

"And that's what we spent a substantial amount of money on making some modifications to the surface to make it faster."

Pollard said Hewitt was "entitled to his opinions" and admitted "a number of Australian players have asked us to make it faster".

However, Pollard wasn't convinced Hewitt's inability to progress beyond the fourth round in seven visits to Melbourne Park was due to a slow surface.

"Lleyton's proving how versatile he is on all surfaces," he said.

"It is faster than last year and that'll be faster than the one Lleyton beat Roger Federer on in the Davis Cup (in 2003).

"But it would appear it's not fast enough to what Lleyton prefers and he's one very important player."

Pollard accepted the surface may not be exactly what some players want.

"With the technology, it's very hard to create a perfect surface for everyone," he said.

However, world No.11 Joachim Johansson and American Taylor Dent defended the Rebound Ace surface.

"The Rebound Ace, I think, is a very fair surface," said Dent after his win over fellow American Robby Ginepri at the Next Generation Hardcourts in Adelaide today.

"I'm not too fussed with the surface but some players are," said Johansson.

"I think this (Adelaide) court is faster than Melbourne but I think this court has been laid a month and a half.

"When I was in Melbourne, it was brand new. So obviously the more you play on it the faster it gets."

<em>
01-04-2005, 09:59 AM
don't think it's been posted!
here are all the scores from tuesday..

Singles - First Round
X Malisse (BEL) d A Martin (ESP) 62 76(1)
(5)T Dent (USA) d R Ginepri (USA) 61 26 62
(2)J Johansson (SWE) d (WC)M Kimmich (AUS) 62 64
(4)J Chela (ARG) d S Sargsian (ARM) 61 61
(1)L Hewitt (AUS) d (Q)A Clement (FRA) 26 61 61
(Q)A Delic (USA) vs (WC)T Reid (AUS)
J Benneteau (FRA) d P Starace (ITA) 63 64
(6)R Stepanek (CZE) d P Kohlschreiber (GER) 63 64
A Calleri (ARG) d J Nieminen (FIN) 64 36 76(2)
(Q)J Lisnard (FRA) d (Q)S De Chaunac (FRA) 64 76(4)


Doubles - First Round
(3)Malisse/Rochus d (WC)Baccanello/Healey 63 76(3)
lleyton won!! :worship: yeeeey...seems lleyton showed his fighting spirit again and his ability to come back in a match..wished i saw it!!

xavier won too and his double match too..jeej !! what a happy day this must be... ;)

tournesol
01-04-2005, 10:04 AM
thanks for the update :) ; i didn't find any live scorebaord on the tounrey website :(

<em>
01-04-2005, 10:06 AM
i got it from the atpwebsite...finnaly after searching for the scores and eating my nails off after beeing stressed and afraid that he might have lost!! but he didn't!!! :woohoo:

Yasmine
01-04-2005, 11:59 AM
i got it from the atpwebsite...finnaly after searching for the scores and eating my nails off after beeing stressed and afraid that he might have lost!! but he didn't!!! :woohoo:
Thanks for the result Em, bloody french TVs... they could be patriotic, he was playing a french guy for godness sake, they could show a bit of the match! :devil: I wish I saw it too. Good on Xavier for winning as well, and he's playing Pim-pim next :angel: .

star
01-04-2005, 12:42 PM
I think Cash is an idiot. Full stop. Can't the guy go 10 minutes without saying something stupid to get attention?

Don't they use the same balls for all the slams anyway?

The Slams can all choose their own balls. I remember reading one time that Wimbledon had gone with a slower ball to counteract the fast surface.

But I certainly agree that Cash is :rolleyes: Does Cash even live in Australia?

star
01-04-2005, 12:42 PM
Opps. I forgot. :woohoo: Lleyton :woohoo:

Socket
01-04-2005, 01:32 PM
I still dunno what to think! :p It probably is a bit to do with aussie pride – they often claim that the excess of injuries in January is due to people not preparing properly during December and not being fit enough. (I think that was Lley actually). I agree with you that it would benefit more than just Lleyton if the courts were faster. It’s odd, cos most of us would enjoy watching them play on a faster court, but the AO organisers seem convinced that we want to see longer rallies, not serve-dominated matches etc. They’re probly just trying to reassure themselves that what they are doing now is fine, and the reason Lleyton is all by his lonesome at the top is because of the unlucky combination of Mercury and Jupiter when they built Melbourne Park, or some other such twat, and al the money they get is best used to facilitate their own wishes. :rolleyes: On another note, what do y’all think about Cashie’s theory of the balls being at fault?
I think that 5 or 6 or 7 years ago, there was some concern that the big servers were taking over the sport, and a conscious effort was made to slow down the courts. But that never really happened, so I'd say go back to the pre-2000 fast surface.

Didn't Geoff Pollard just resign or get himself fired? I'm wondering if Lleyton is striking while the iron's hot, and Tennis Australia is in the middle of rebuilding itself.

Lleyton reminds me of Connors with his comments. Connors was always ranting at the USTA for something, and you know what? Most of the time he was right to rant, and he got results. You want to make an omelet, you've got to break some eggs. To hell with this "go along to get along" complacency. That's not the Lleyton Hewitt I admire and respect.

Socket
01-04-2005, 01:36 PM
The Slams can all choose their own balls. I remember reading one time that Wimbledon had gone with a slower ball to counteract the fast surface.

But I certainly agree that Cash is :rolleyes: Does Cash even live in Australia?
He does, actually, at least part of the time. He went partners with the now-disgraced Gavin Hopper and set up a tennis academy. Nice pair of guys to leave your kiddies with. :rolleyes:

star
01-04-2005, 02:06 PM
Did I post this already?

ewitt's shaky start

05jan05

LLEYTON Hewitt last night briefly lived up to his nickname - Rusty - before steam-rolling Frenchman Arnaud Clement in the first round of the Next Generation Hardcourts at Memorial Drive.








Out of sorts early, Hewitt rebounded savagely to hammer Clement 2-6, 6-1, 6-1 in an ominous preliminary to the Australian Open in 12 days.

"It was very tough conditions out there," Hewitt said last night.

"It just took a while for me to get going. I watched a couple of the early matches and I don't think anyone played great tennis out there.

"I didn't serve well enough in the first set, but I felt I played better and better as the match went on.

"From halfway through the first set, I had game point in just about every game.

"It was ugly tennis out there by everyone."

Uncharacteristically sloppy early, the world No. 3 rolled through Australian Open finalist Clement in ruthless fashion to ease into the second round.

Pitted against a world-class baseliner in treacherous winds, Hewitt initially struggled to find range from the baseline before swamping the Frenchman for the fifth time in as many matches.

Unable to control his backhand in the third game of the match and let down by his forehand two games later, Hewitt emerged from the fog to dominate.

From the second game in the second set, Hewitt reeled off 10 games to lead 4-0 in the deciding set - timely evidence of his form and confi dence.

Clement's greater early season matchplay - he had to qualify after falling to 106th in the world - allowed him to forge a menacing momentum.

Hewitt's second serving lapse at 1-3 in the first set came from 40-15 - after he had rifled three successive aces past his opponent - only to drive a forehand wide.

He was then further frustrated by missed break point chances in the sixth and eighth games as Clement shaped to eject the top seed from the tournament.

But the French Davis Cupper was rocked by the ferocity of the Hewitt revival, dropping serve in the fourth game with an edgy double-fault.

Irked by a line call two games later, Hewitt vented his fury on Clement - nailing another break with a forehand return, which clipped the net and ricocheted over the right-hander's racquet.

More dominant with every rally, Hewitt levelled the match with an ace.

The third set was just as miserable for Clement as Hewitt surged clear.

Hewitt will tomorrow face Argentine Agustin Calleri, who stopped dangerous Finn Jarkko Nieminen 6-3, 3-6, 7-6 (7-2).

In other matches, big-serving American Taylor Dent won through to the second round against the merciless cross-wind over his doubles partner Robby Ginepri in a tough three sets - 6-1, 2-6, 6-2.

Dent held together better in probably the worst possible conditions for a serve-volleyer, winning 76 per cent of first service points to Ginepri's 57 per cent. But it was more about who made the least mistakes and who took the least risks that dictated the outcome. Avid chess opponents off the court, Dent said he had the right moves yesterday in a match almost gone with the wind.

"It was just a matter of swings," Dent said. "I had the momentum in the first set, the awkward bounces were going my way and in the second set it went his way. Luckily in the third I brought my game back together and he gave me a lot of free points and he was struggling just a little bit on his own serve."

In other results in the day session, Frenchman Julien Benneteau beat Poltito Starace (Ita) 6-3, 6-4 and Radek Stepanek (Cze) rolled Philipp Kohlschreiber (Ger) 6-3, 6-4.

tournesol
01-04-2005, 02:23 PM
thanks christina for the article

well done Ll :clap2:

Murkofan
01-04-2005, 03:57 PM
Taylor :woohoo:

What? :p

Yasmine
01-04-2005, 04:07 PM
Thank you for the article Christina!
And Marly, no problem, you like Taylor so what? (I have pict I took when I saw him play at Wimbly last year, if you fancy them ;).

Murkofan
01-04-2005, 07:12 PM
I fancy Taylor VERY much, actually :hearts:

But everyone else thinks he mings, so they tease me :p Bastards :p

Yasmine
01-04-2005, 08:59 PM
But everyone else thinks he mings, so they tease me :p Bastards :p
I don't particularly find him good looking but I really enjoyed watching him play and that's good enough for me :angel:.
Oups I'm :topic:, but lleyton wouldn't be jealous would he? :p

Lisbeth
01-04-2005, 09:14 PM
The Slams can all choose their own balls. I remember reading one time that Wimbledon had gone with a slower ball to counteract the fast surface.

But I certainly agree that Cash is :rolleyes: Does Cash even live in Australia?

Thanks for the info :kiss:

He used to run an academy on the gold coast with Gavin Hopper - not sure what's happened since Hopper went to prison.

As for Lleyton, I think that match was exactly what he needed. Clement is proven on rebound ace player and an experienced, wily player, and he'd played a few matches already. Much better practice than some nobody who Ll could have trounced but got no decent match play out of.

Lisbeth
01-04-2005, 09:17 PM
I think Pollard was told he couldn't be chairperson and executive director of Tennis Australia, but I can't remember which one he chose!

Socket
01-04-2005, 10:13 PM
In one of the articles I read, Lleyton said that he was playing too aggressively in the first set and making too many errors, so he played more percentage tennis in the second set and that turned it around for him.

Yet another example of Lleyton defying the common wisdom! ;)

Socket
01-04-2005, 10:15 PM
Thanks for the info :kiss:

He used to run an academy on the gold coast with Gavin Hopper - not sure what's happened since Hopper went to prison.
What used to be called the Hopper-Cash Tennis Academy is now just the Cash Academy. Although, with Pat, maybe "Cash In" Academy would be more apt. :p

Lisbeth
01-04-2005, 10:39 PM
:haha:

star
01-05-2005, 05:25 AM
What used to be called the Hopper-Cash Tennis Academy is now just the Cash Academy. Although, with Pat, maybe "Cash In" Academy would be more apt. :p

:haha:

You strike again!!!!

ally_014
01-05-2005, 07:34 AM
In one of the articles I read, Lleyton said that he was playing too aggressively in the first set and making too many errors, so he played more percentage tennis in the second set and that turned it around for him.

Yet another example of Lleyton defying the common wisdom! ;)

And that's why we love him! He always makes it interesting viewing anyway ;) On the news he was getting a bit agitated with some inept line calling and whacked the court, net etc but seemed to pull himself together well.

Totally agree - Cash is a moron. And the 'Cash In' Academy - priceless :lol: The old ad for it in Aus Tennis Mag was really dodgy - I used to wonder why anyone would send their kids to a pair of old sleaze-bags cos that's what they looked like :rolleyes:

NOMAD
01-05-2005, 08:54 AM
news video :)

http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/video/p.htm?mkt=en-au&m=Sport&mi=Sport%20news&p=AUsport_AUsportnews

Danni
01-05-2005, 10:21 AM
I laughed in that video when they said Lleyton was the only Aussie left in the tournment..and it's only the first round :p

Yasmine
01-05-2005, 11:41 AM
I laughed in that video when they said Lleyton was the only Aussie left in the tournment..and it's only the first round :p
Yeah, but he's also the only player who has the potential to win it! :devil:

Goonergal
01-05-2005, 12:08 PM
I fancy Taylor VERY much, actually :hearts:

But everyone else thinks he mings, so they tease me :p Bastards :p

*pats Beebs on the head*

He does ming :p Poor deluded Beebs :p

back to the topic :p

Go Lleyton :bounce:

star
01-05-2005, 12:37 PM
:eek: Marly fancies Taylor.

oh dear.

Is it because he looks like a mutant? ;)

Socket
01-05-2005, 01:18 PM
I cracked up when the announcer said that Lleyton was the only Aussie left in the tournament. But it might be more appropriate to say he's the only Aussie man playing good tennis on the entire continent!

Lleyton should come to America, where we'd appreciate his Connors-esque, kick-ass attitude more and the USTA would ask his opinion on everything and actually listen to what he has to say. OK, that's just wishful thinking on my part, please don't get mad at me, any Aussies out there! (But you do need to appreciate Lleyton more.)

sprinterluck
01-05-2005, 03:07 PM
:eek: Marly fancies Taylor.

oh dear.

Is it because he looks like a mutant? ;)

:haha: There's a thread on GM called Unflattering and Funny Pictures...and Taylor's got the best photo in that one. Best photo in that it's scary.

Murkofan
01-05-2005, 03:45 PM
It's not like you guys didn't KNOW I fancy him :rolleyes: :p

As for WHY I fancy him...dunno, I just think he's cute :p I like his floppy hair and his funny smile :p

Goonergal
01-05-2005, 04:28 PM
As for WHY I fancy him...dunno, I just think he's cute :p I like his floppy hair and his funny smile :p

And his floppy gut :p

Murkofan
01-05-2005, 06:26 PM
He does not have a floppy gut :p He's got a nice little belly :p I like my guys with a little tummy/love handles :p

Socket
01-05-2005, 10:39 PM
He does not have a floppy gut :p He's got a nice little belly :p I like my guys with a little tummy/love handles :p
You like blowing raspberries on tummies, do you? Oh, you little :devil:!

ace4lleykim
01-05-2005, 10:48 PM
Wow Lleyton changes so much now, this is the first time that I've seen Lleyton wearing short sleeve. I mean first time EVER. :eek:

Murkofan
01-05-2005, 11:33 PM
You like blowing raspberries on tummies, do you? Oh, you little :devil:!

Is it that obvious? :o :p

Goonergal
01-05-2005, 11:36 PM
You like blowing raspberries on tummies, do you? Oh, you little :devil:!
:haha:

raeesa301
01-06-2005, 08:13 AM
Melzer targets Hewitt
By Tanya Westthorp
January 6, 2005

AUSTRIAN No.8 seed Jurgen Melzer today moved a step closer to a welcome showdown with Lleyton Hewitt, beating American qualifier Amer Delic 6-3 6-3 to advance to the Next Generation Hardcourts quarter-finals in Adelaide.


Firing ... Melzer wants revenge.

Melzer, 23, is on track for a semi-final clash with the Australian and is hungry for revenge after Hewitt knocked him out of both the French Open and Wimbledon in 2004.

"If that happens, I'm going to be ready," he said of meeting Hewitt.

"It's not easy to play Lleyton, especially on his home ground and I'm looking forward to it."

Melzer's drop shot proved the difference between the eighth seed and the flat-footed qualifier today.

By the end of the second set Delic started to make Melzer work harder for his shots.

Melzer will play fourth seed Juan Ignacio Chela of Argentina in the quarter-finals who dedeated French qualifier Jean-Rene Lisnard 7-5 7-5.

Lisnard gave the Argentinian some nervous moments before succumbing to the powerful baseliner.

Lisnard led 5-4 in the second set but struggled to quell Chela's charge.

Eight costly double faults allowed Chela to get back into the set and take the break to go 6-5 up and close out the match.

AAP

NOMAD
01-06-2005, 08:28 AM
apparently Bec is at Lley's match today ;)

There's a pic @ Getty

kim-fan
01-06-2005, 08:34 AM
yep, you're right, she's there. (I wish kim was sitting there :sad: )
and lleyton is in blue today. he looks so good in blue :hearts:

Lleytonfan
01-06-2005, 08:39 AM
Hi!

Lleyton is playing???
I didn't see anywhere.:(

NOMAD
01-06-2005, 08:43 AM
Hi!

Lleyton is playing???
I didn't see anywhere.:(

yah, he started playing an hour ago :)
there's no live score though :(

NOMAD
01-06-2005, 08:47 AM
1)L Hewitt (AUS) d A Calleri (ARG) 61 64

Lleytonfan
01-06-2005, 08:48 AM
Thx!:)

Lleyton is playing very well??I hope!:)
What is the present result?

Lleytonfan
01-06-2005, 08:53 AM
1)L Hewitt (AUS) d A Calleri (ARG) 61 64

Thank you!:) :worship:

Lleyton is the Best! :bounce: :clap2: :clap2: :yippee: :yippee: :woohoo:

ally_014
01-06-2005, 09:15 AM
:woohoo: Goo Lleyton! :)

Danni
01-06-2005, 09:17 AM
yay Lleyts!...the lack of coverage is really getting quite depressing :sobbing:

NOMAD
01-06-2005, 09:19 AM
January 6, 2005

Adelaide, January 6 - World No.3 Lleyton Hewitt powered into the quarterfinals of the Next Generation Hardcourts tonight, completely blitzing Argentine's Agustin Calleri 6-1 6-4.

Watched by his girlfriend Bec Cartwright in the stands at Memorial Drive, Adelaide, along with a packed and enthusiastic home crowd, Hewitt ripped through the match in one hour, the first set taking a mere 20 minutes.:clap2:

The top seed rarely put a foot wrong in his second match en route to capturing, what he hopes will be, a third title at the Drive, and a springboard into Australian Open 2005.

"It was a bit different to the other night," said Hewitt, of his scratchy start to the year against qualifier Arnaud Clement.

"I was pretty happy with the way I was hitting the ball out there."

He plays the winner of tonight's second match between fifth seed Taylor Dent and Julien Benneteau of France.

Hewitt holds a 3-0 record against Dent and is 1-0 against Benneteau.

Looking relaxed and happy this his Home and Away star girlfriend was in attendance, Hewitt said it was Cartwright's first time at a tennis match. "Bec's been great," he said.

"It's the first match she's ever seen."

ally_014
01-06-2005, 09:23 AM
Must've been Bec's presence that spurred him on to a greater match than the other night! ;) :p

NOMAD
01-06-2005, 10:01 AM
Next Generation Hardcourts

Order of Play
Friday 7 January 2005

Center Court
Matches Start At:11:00 AM

O. ROCHUS vs N. KIEFER
T. ENQVIST vs J.JOHANSSON
J. I CHELA vs J. MELZER
KIEFER/STEPANEK vs ASPELIN/PERRY

Starting at 7:00 PM

L. HEWITT vs T.DENT
CALLERI/CHELA vs ARTHURS/HANLEY

Turkeyballs Paco
01-06-2005, 03:20 PM
C'MON lleyton! too bad I can't see it.

Murkofan
01-06-2005, 04:10 PM
Taylor :hearts:

Yasmine
01-06-2005, 04:49 PM
Taylor :hearts:
Marly a great match for you to watch uh :p
In a way I am relieved he's playing Dent, I didn't want to see him play another frenchie :p
come on Lleyton!!!!!!!!!!!! :bounce:

Lisbeth
01-06-2005, 09:45 PM
Lleyton had better win v Taylor. I will have to go on media blackout if he doesn't :rolleyes: All the Aussie tennis writers played doubles with Dent Snr, it seems.

Still, 3-0 is a good record and players who are all serve and no game don't usually bother Lleyton (unless they are 7 foot qualifiers, ahem).

Lisbeth
01-06-2005, 10:00 PM
yah, he started playing an hour ago :)
there's no live score though :(

The website is so embarrassing. It can't be THAT hard to run a decent website. Surely there's a tennis fan university web design student or someone who could do it better than this :rolleyes: In fact, I'm tempted to write and suggest it.

star
01-07-2005, 12:25 AM
I'm thinking the Aussies and the Yanks have the worst websites at small tournaments. :(

Socket
01-07-2005, 12:37 AM
What I don't understand is why the ATP just can't just set up a centralized livescore for all tournaments on its own website. It's not as if the technology doesn't exist. They would probably have to upgrade their servers to handle the volume, but I'm sure the increase in traffic would enable them to sell advertising at higher rates and so cover their costs.

star
01-07-2005, 01:24 AM
But the tournaments would have to have the technology to transmit the scores. At IW they've got a table with a laptop at all the courts. That means they are completely wired to someother site. It's just crazy to me.

But then evidently Europe has a lot more cell phones than we do. It's weird. Cell phones are cheap, but it costs like the devil to rent a DVD. :lol:

Lisbeth
01-07-2005, 01:37 AM
I agree. The Europeans and Asians can manage working sites in 3 different languages but we can't even manage one :rolleyes: The AO and USO sites are usually good but these early tournaments are just dreadful.

Lisbeth
01-07-2005, 01:39 AM
BTW, there's no shortage of cell/mobile phones in Aus. Apparently we were the second fastest to take to them after the Swedes :lol: Hasn't helped our scoring ability, apparently.

Lleytonfan
01-07-2005, 07:58 AM
Hi!:)

Lleyton and Dent are playing???
And??
Can someone the result to write here?Thanks!
I'm very worry!

Lisbeth
01-07-2005, 08:01 AM
We think they are playing but it's not on TV and there doesn't seem to be a reliable scoring site. I suggest you check the Friday scores thread in the tournament section. There seem to be a few people trying to post scores over there :)

Lleytonfan
01-07-2005, 08:11 AM
Thank you!:)
I thought that they are playing,but no information.
I hope that someone can us to impart the result.

kim-fan
01-07-2005, 09:21 AM
he lost :eek:
7-6 6-3

raeesa301
01-07-2005, 09:32 AM
Lleyton lost in straight sets to Taylor Dent???????????? AT HOME???????
Not good for Aussie Open, NOT GOOD!!!!!

kim-fan
01-07-2005, 09:33 AM
I know :rolleyes: this totally sucks

raeesa301
01-07-2005, 09:39 AM
Maybe B-list is a bit too much of a distraction for our Lleyts ;) ? Somehow he was playing better when he was single :p ! Did anybody see what happened in the match?

babkonzerv
01-07-2005, 09:45 AM
Maybe B-list is a bit too much of a distraction for our Lleyts ;) ? Somehow he was playing better when he was single :p ! Did anybody see what happened in the match?


she was there? all right she is the reason for the loss :p . if she wasn't there, and she is not giving her support she is the one to blame as well. we can blame everything on her :cool: :p

btw this is pathetic Lleyts! ( he should activate himself during the matches, not in the bed :rolleyes: )

NOMAD
01-07-2005, 09:46 AM
pffff..he lost to Taylor? :ras:...well at least Marly would be happy





news video

being asked about "a friend's around" ;) ...he laughed really loud,but...feel a bit awkward in there
http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/video/p.htm?mkt=en-au&m=Sport&mi=Sport%20news&p=AUsport_AUsportnews

2nd round
http://www.seven.com.au/sunrise/popup_video/6305

Yasmine
01-07-2005, 10:13 AM
Lleyton lost in straight sets to Taylor Dent???????????? AT HOME???????
Not good for Aussie Open, NOT GOOD!!!!!
What the hell happened there? :eek: Nevermind I am not worried about the AO, it's the first tourney of the season :rolleyes: !

raeesa301
01-07-2005, 10:29 AM
What the hell happened there? :eek: Nevermind I am not worried about the AO, it's the first tourney of the season :rolleyes: !

Maybe he'll say something later, in the press conference, about what happened. He always did well there, but he's always so confident so maybe this might not be such a big blow. Even if it was AT HOME :p !!

raeesa301
01-07-2005, 10:50 AM
BBC News:

Hewitt falls to Dent in Adelaide

Lleyton Hewitt suffered a shock defeat to Taylor Dent in the quarter-finals of the Australian Hardcourt Championships in Adelaide on Friday.
The top seed was a strong favourite for the title but went down 7-6 (7-4) 6-3 to the American.

Dent will face Juan Ignacio Chela next after the fourth seed was too strong for Jurgen Melzer.

Olivier Rochus beat third seed Nicolas Kiefer 6-7 (4-7) 7-6 (8-6) 7-5 and will take on second seed Joachim Johansson.

The Swede reached the last four by beating compatriot Thomas Enqvist 6-3 4-6 6-1.

"I felt like I was striking the ball much better," said Johansson.

"I felt like I had a lot of break chances, I didn't take care of them all, but I broke him four times and he only broke me once.

"I felt that was the key to get up in the set early."

Goonergal
01-07-2005, 10:51 AM
Lleyton, wtf :rolleyes: :mad:

Hehe, tennis season's bearely started and I'm already using this phrase :p

Well, at least Flabby gut has a chance to win the whole shebang for you Beebs :rolleyes: :p

raeesa301
01-07-2005, 10:52 AM
This is a better article:

Hewitt upset by Dent in Adelaide
January 7, 2005 - 10:34PM

World No.3 Lleyton Hewitt on Friday night suffered a straight sets defeat at the hands of American Taylor Dent in a quarter-final of the Next Generation Hardcourts tennis tournament at Memorial Drive.

Dent won 7-6(7-4) 6-3, clinching the victory on serve, after Hewitt saved two match points in the final game.

Hewitt also gained a break point in a high-class final game, with Dent managing to save it after a brilliant rally.

Dent, the fifth seed, will play Argentina's Juan Ignacio Chela, the fourth seed, in a semi-final on Saturday.

Belgian Olivier Rochus and Swede Joachim Johansson will meet in the other semi-final.

Hewitt will next play in next week's Sydney International.

Neither player managed to gain a break point in Friday night's opening set.

Dent gained the critical advantage in the tiebreak by winning the opening point on Hewitt's serve, with neither player losing a point on serve for the remainder of the tiebreak.

Hewitt finally penetrated Dent's serve in the third game of the second set, to take a 2-1 lead.

Dent broke straight back for 2-2 and then at 4-3 he broke Hewitt's serve again, setting up the chance to serve for the match.

raeesa301
01-07-2005, 10:56 AM
Well, at least we know he tried his hardest! As usual!

star
01-07-2005, 12:01 PM
Losing to Taylor. grrrrrrrrrrrr

I'm going to vomit if Taylor has a good year. The woman at IW who has a seat next to me is a rabid Dent fan and screams for him so much right in my ear I just pray for him to lose early so I won't have to listen to her.

raeesa301
01-07-2005, 01:02 PM
From the Official Website:

Fifth seed Taylor Dent shocked a capacity crowd at Memorial Drive, Adelaide, tonight when he took out tournament favourite and top seed Lleyton Hewitt in the quarterfinals of the Next Generation Hardcourts 7-6(4) 6-3.

Dent ruined the party for the South Australian, who was using the season opener as a launching pad into Australian Open 2005 and hunting his third title in Adelaide.

"It’s one of those awkward matches," Hewitt said after the one hour, 26 minute match.

"I just didn’t get enough off the racquet. It was heavy conditions, it probably suited him a lot more."

Dent, a semifinalist in Adelaide last year, dominated with his big serve and hustling net game, beating the world No.3 for the first time in four meetings.

"I served really well so it’s a good win for me," the 24-year-old said. "Lleyton is one of the toughest match ups I have on Tour."

The first set proceeded on serve, but it was Dent who pounced on Hewitt’s first serve in the tiebreak to jump ahead 3-0.

Feeling the pressure, Hewitt wrenched out a break in the second set to lead 2-1, but Dent broke back in the next game and turned up the heat in the seventh with a scintillating backhand passing shot down the line. He nabbed the second break to lead 5-3 and, with Hewitt now pulling out some desperate tennis, closed out the match with a massive serve on his third match point.

"I definitely didn’t return my best, no doubt about it," said Hewitt, who will be defending the title in Sydney next week.

"It’s disappointing but you’ve got to look at the big picture, too. Even if I don’t win in Sydney next week it’s no big deal. I’ve had three good matches. You want to be playing your best tennis in a week and a half."

Dent will play Juan Ignacio Chela in the second semifinal on Saturday after the No.4 seeded Argentinian defeated Jurgen Melzer of Austria in three sets this afternoon.

Dent leads Chela 1-0 in career meetings, beating him in five close sets in the second round of the Australian Open last year.

The first semifinal pits unseeded Olivier Rochus of Belgian against Joachim Johansson. They have also played only once before, at a Challenger in Luxembourg last year, with Johansson winning in straight sets.

Socket
01-07-2005, 01:18 PM
Lleyton . . . :bigcry:

Yasmine
01-07-2005, 03:12 PM
But the good news is: there is a belgian in the last 4... and I know there are quite a few belgian Lleylers (I just invented that word, much better than LLLers :p). ;)

Murkofan
01-07-2005, 05:48 PM
pffff..he lost to Taylor? :ras:...well at least Marly would be happy



Ll :o

But omg, Taylor! :D :bounce: :hearts:

Murkofan
01-07-2005, 05:50 PM
Losing to Taylor. grrrrrrrrrrrr

I'm going to vomit if Taylor has a good year. The woman at IW who has a seat next to me is a rabid Dent fan and screams for him so much right in my ear I just pray for him to lose early so I won't have to listen to her.

Oh, come on, it's not Taylor's fault he has an annoying fan :p He also has lots of awesome fans, like me :D

raeesa301
01-07-2005, 06:32 PM
Oh, come on, it's not Taylor's fault he has an annoying fan :p He also has lots of awesome fans, like me :D

Who happen to think he's hot :devil: ! You know, Wolverine may be hot but I think you may've had a concussion or something when you first saw Dent :p !

star
01-07-2005, 06:42 PM
Oh, come on, it's not Taylor's fault he has an annoying fan :p He also has lots of awesome fans, like me :D

It's the combination of him being disgusting AND having to sit next to someone who screams like a banshee for him. :p

I was all prepared to like Taylor because I had heard he was a serve and volley player and because he has a great Aussie dad, but the very first time I saw him play live (1st time I'd seen him at all) I really really disliked him. He's one of my least favorite players.

But that's ok. Just more for you. :D

Goonergal
01-07-2005, 07:40 PM
You know, Wolverine may be hot but I think you may've had a concussion or something when you first saw Dent :p !

:haha:

That's a good one :p :haha:

Probably true. Marls is always injuring herself somehow, so it's a pretty plausible explanation :p

Murkofan
01-08-2005, 01:21 AM
I am incredibly clumsy :o But as for the rest of it, y'all are full of crap :p Taylor ROCKS! :p

Chesty Larue
01-08-2005, 01:37 AM
y'all are full of crap :p Taylor ROCKS! :p

You do know hoping doesn't make it true right? :p

Murkofan
01-08-2005, 01:59 AM
And you know that being in denial doesn't make it untrue, right? :p

Chesty Larue
01-08-2005, 02:52 AM
But there's one of you...and allll of us :p

Murkofan
01-08-2005, 02:56 AM
And you're allll wrong :p

Danni
01-08-2005, 03:00 AM
being asked about "a friend's around" ;) ...he laughed really loud,but...feel a bit awkward in there
http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/video/p.htm?mkt=en-au&m=Sport&mi=Sport%20news&p=AUsport_AUsportnews



I found that really odd when he like had a laughing fit about nothing, :unsure: and even encouraged them to ask about Bec...I just don't get it, what happened to the old, shy Lleyton?? :sobbing:

Moving on, Marly I must ask, who is in your avatar?

Murkofan
01-08-2005, 03:03 AM
Zach Braff and Natalie Portman in Garden State :D It's an excellent movie, you should definitely see it :yeah:

Danni
01-08-2005, 03:04 AM
Coolies, I might do that, thanks :)

sprinterluck
01-08-2005, 03:08 AM
I found that really odd when he like had a laughing fit about nothing, :unsure: and even encouraged them to ask about Bec...I just don't get it, what happened to the old, shy Lleyton?? :sobbing:

Moving on, Marly I must ask, who is in your avatar?

Yeah, that laugh was definitely awkward as Nomad pointed out. He was goading the media to ask about Bec. :o What's going on with you Lleyts?


Lusty MacBreast Zach Braff and Natalie Portman in Garden State It's an excellent movie, you should definitely see it
I loved this movie. I recommend it. And I love the soundtrack too. Never get tired of it even if I've been playing it over and over.

Murkofan
01-08-2005, 03:12 AM
The soundtrack kicks ass. I :hearts: the Zero 7 and Cary Brothers songs. Oh, and the Colin Hay song. And the--well, I love it all :p I listened to it all day today.

Socket
01-08-2005, 03:21 AM
Yeah, that laugh was definitely awkward as Nomad pointed out. He was goading the media to ask about Bec. :o What's going on with you Lleyts?



I loved this movie. I recommend it. And I love the soundtrack too. Never get tired of it even if I've been playing it over and over.
I thought his laugh had some sarcasm to it, as if he had been wondering who was going to ask him about Kim or Bec first, and how long it would take.

The funny thing to me is how little information he actually managed to give out, while he's getting all this credit for "talking" about the breakup. All he basically said was "I was tough when I had to be" and "She [Bec] doesn't know a lot about tennis." That's complete non-information! Just goes to show how happy the press is to take any crumbs he throws out to them.

ally_014
01-08-2005, 06:30 AM
Exactly! They advertised it as "Lleyton opens up about his broken heart and new love etc etc yada yada yada..." and then after the segment, me and Dad looked at each other and he's like "well if that's opening up, I'd hate to see him when he's not talkative!"

I don’t think the laugh was awkward – I haven’t seen the net clip but on the news he was turned around to someone in the entry (a mate or someone) and was more laughing that they weren’t asking him directly and trying to get info out of him by dancing around the question.

Im not sure that he’s really changed that much, just enjoying being home and among friends, going well after a great 2004 and maybe with a weight off his mind after some rocky times with Kim. He did an interview on the radio today (I’ll post it tomorrow if anyone wants) and seemed relaxed, but def. not just giving out ‘real’ information.

NOMAD
01-08-2005, 07:32 AM
I thought his laugh had some sarcasm to it, as if he had been wondering who was going to ask him about Kim or Bec first, and how long it would take.


agree ;) ,this is how i felt.when i said "awkward" mabe i used wrong word to express myself :o I'm sorry about my english :o I was trying to say that there must be very intense in the conference when the journalist tried to asked him the question,so he may tried to criticize the journalist or make a laugh to ease the awkward situation.And i thought his laugh is a bit too loud :p,that's all (well...hope i express myself right this time :o ...i'll try to improve my english from now on,i promise ;) )

I don't think he was encouraging the media to ask about Bec. ;) I like to see him so relaxed.I think that's because he just love being home and arond with his friends.Just like he always looks more relaxed in the interview and practicing when he played for Davis Cup in Australia.He's the same old Lley to me though ;)

I'd love to read Lley's interview,Ally :D :worship: :worship: :worship:

Socket
01-08-2005, 01:09 PM
Hey, can anybody figure out what's on Lleyton's red ballcap? It doesn't look like a Nike cap.

Tara, please don't apologize for your English, you have nothing to be sorry for, because you write beautifully. :kiss:

star
01-08-2005, 03:02 PM
It almost looks like a harley davidson logo. Please say it's not. :D

Tara! Your english is wonderful! I didn't know you weren't a native speaker. :)

star
01-08-2005, 03:15 PM
I don't think it is Harley Davidson. Maybe somebody else will recognize it. It is pretty blurry when I enlarge it. :)

Goonergal
01-08-2005, 03:32 PM
I am incredibly clumsy :o But as for the rest of it, y'all are full of crap :p Taylor SUCKS! :p

:p :p

NOMAD
01-08-2005, 04:09 PM
I don't think it is Harley Davidson. Maybe somebody else will recognize it. It is pretty blurry when I enlarge it. :)

i think the words on the hat is "AIR JORDAN"
http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/t/p/2004-12-30/U581P6T12D1326623F44DT20041230145649.jpg

thanks a lot ,Marlene and Christina.:kiss: And Christina,i know it's a lie that you don't know that i'm a native speaker:lol:,but it's very kind of you to say that :angel:

Murkofan
01-08-2005, 04:10 PM
Beebs, you're an ass :p

Pff, Picture Guru, I didn't know you weren't a native speaker either :p What's your first language?

NOMAD
01-08-2005, 04:18 PM
Pff, Picture Guru, I didn't know you weren't a native speaker either :p What's your first language?

You all just make my day. :lol:

My first language is Chinese.I'd be glad if someone here can speak Chinese.

Murkofan
01-08-2005, 04:25 PM
Chinese :eek: All I know about Chinese is that there are different dialects. Do you speak Mandarin or Cantonese or something else? *feels smart*

But the only other language I know is Spanish, sorry :p

NOMAD
01-08-2005, 04:34 PM
I live in Taiwan, I can speak two different dialects,Mandarin and Taiwanese ;)

Most people in Taiwan speak Mandarin and Taiwanese. Most people in China speak Mandarin. Most people in Hong Kong speak Cantonese. :)

Goonergal
01-08-2005, 04:34 PM
Beebs, you're an ass :p

:devil:

ally_014
01-09-2005, 03:59 AM
Goo Pim-Pim :D He just won :bounce: (Sorry Marly, but Taylor just couldn't win :devil: )

star
01-09-2005, 02:39 PM
:yippee: Pim Pim

Taylor mostly behind on his serve. 11 doubles shows the pressure he felt. Pim broke him at 5-5 and then in the second set broke early and then broke again to take the match. Leif and Margarete were there to cheer him on. Poor things were sitting with Lleyton's parents, but I noticed Glynn (how isn't that a woman's name?) and Leif were sitting with the two woman seperating them. :)

star
01-09-2005, 02:39 PM
ohmygod... That little smiley is going sooooo fast. I think he may have been delving into Marly's neighbor's wares.

Murkofan
01-09-2005, 05:16 PM
Lol :p