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Which aspect would you like to see Roger improve?

LCeh
12-23-2004, 02:22 AM
Doesn't have to be improvements, it can also be things you want to see Roger do more of.

I personally want him to serve and volley more, improve his volleys, and chip and charge more.

Daniel
12-23-2004, 04:07 AM
me too, more serve and volley and develop a stornger serve just in case of a emergency

Action Jackson
12-23-2004, 04:14 AM
Not whine about Chartier court, serve and volley more on clay and improve his defensive play on court, he defends very well on the other surfaces, but not as well on clay.

Dirk
12-23-2004, 04:23 AM
Agree George on the s/v more on clay and chip and charge on it too. I think he has a right to grip about Chariter Court since he keeps losing most of his matches on it. I just hope he can play all of his matches on it next year so he can get use to it. Forehand Volley.

LCeh
12-23-2004, 04:28 AM
Well, to his defense, when I saw him play on centre court, he really seems to slip a lot more than let's say Hamburg. He would be off balance after a serve, and stuff like that.

SUKTUEN
12-23-2004, 04:32 AM
Serving and the net~~

Action Jackson
12-23-2004, 08:02 AM
Well, to his defense, when I saw him play on centre court, he really seems to slip a lot more than let's say Hamburg. He would be off balance after a serve, and stuff like that.

I am not going to defend him he has won matches on it before and the court is exactly the same for both players.

For one Roger should be better than in Hamburg, as it's a lot fasterand that benefits him even more.

jtipson
12-23-2004, 10:28 AM
I am not going to defend him he has won matches on it before and the court is exactly the same for both players.

For one Roger should be better than in Hamburg, as it's a lot fasterand that benefits him even more.

Yes, I agree. I expect he will spend more time on that court before RG this year (assuming the FFT let him, and I don't see why they wouldn't), so he can get used to it. Once he wins some matches on it, his confidence will grow.

He did serve and volley in Gstaad this year, where the surface is quite fast. Interesting though that he mostly did it when he was really tired, in order to make the points shorter. It worked fine; perhaps he can consider using it as a tactic on clay more often. Rome might be another good place to try it.

I hope the s/v tactics is something Tony has helped him with over the past couple of weeks. It will be interesting to see what he tries out in Doha.

Dirk
12-23-2004, 11:35 AM
I think he will be doing more S/V and coming to the net more in the rallies. He has been doing more of this post-wimbledon. This year was mostly built upon Rogi mastering the baseline so he could be number one. Now he is set out on balancing out the scale on the S/V side.

Dirk
12-23-2004, 11:37 AM
George Rogi said in his RG interview that he was having a tough time getting the topspin on his shots. I do think it was mostly him slipping and sliding everywhere that threw him off and thus he lost confidence in being able to play his game.

Fergie
12-23-2004, 12:23 PM
His volley :)

Puschkin
12-23-2004, 02:45 PM
I join those wanting to see more S/V, just for the beauty of it.

avocadoe
12-23-2004, 02:52 PM
I'll take more serve and volley, also...I think he will at AO!

RonE
12-23-2004, 05:50 PM
Not whine about Chartier court, serve and volley more on clay and improve his defensive play on court, he defends very well on the other surfaces, but not as well on clay.

You read my mind.

Just to add specifically improve the forehand volley- a lot of the times when his opponenet is hitting a B/H (right-handed) DTL on the forehand volley Rogi sometimes nets those or swings those wide. He needs more security on that shot.

Also S&V from time to time but important to keep the right balance between doing it and staying back (unlike the USO 03 Nalbandian match where he S&Ved after almost every point and got punished time and again :o )

Fedex
12-23-2004, 10:19 PM
Not whine about Chartier court
I think big match experience is what is hurting Federer here. Once he plays a few more big matches on Chartier court, and wins them, he will have more confidence playing on it.

Fedex
12-23-2004, 10:22 PM
I hope Federer continues to improve his volley, and serves and volleys a bit more on 1st serves, and the occasional chip and charge on the 2nd serve could be beneficial. His movement on clay needs some improvement too.

Dirk
12-23-2004, 10:27 PM
Roger is one of the best Serve and Volleyers on the tour. He will do it more next year, 04 was about building the baseline game up to it's max. I can't wait to see what Rogi will be like next year. :scared:

Fedex
12-23-2004, 10:36 PM
Of course Roger is one of the best serve and volley players out there.He is only 2nd to Henman in that department. But I cant imagine how Federer's opponents will handle it, when they see Federer serving and volleying more next year, so they have no clue what he's going to do, and they'll have to ready to hit the passing shot, as well as defend against his awesome ground strokes; a scary thought for the other players next year.

Action Jackson
12-24-2004, 02:44 AM
George Rogi said in his RG interview that he was having a tough time getting the topspin on his shots. I do think it was mostly him slipping and sliding everywhere that threw him off and thus he lost confidence in being able to play his game.

Then again how clay plays depends on the weather and the way it's swept at the same time they have made RG a lot faster, but there were quite a few people who slipped this year, and I am talking about the guys that can play on the surface.

I mean Guga could get topspin and it didn't stop Gaudio either, it's an excuse and he needs to face to up it that if he is going to win there, he won't be playing matches on the outer courts.

Fedex
12-24-2004, 07:13 AM
Like I said, big match experience is what is hurting him most at RG, and he should be getting plenty of it, in the near future. That Guga match was a lesson, a painful one, nonetheless, and Federer will learn from it.

Action Jackson
12-24-2004, 07:15 AM
Actually the Horna one should be a bigger lesson than the Guga one, but these lessons need to be learnt.

Fedex
12-24-2004, 07:21 AM
Actually the Horna one should be a bigger lesson than the Guga one, but these lessons need to be learnt.
Well, yes. In the Guga match, Guga just plain out played Federer, and exploited his weaknesses on clay, and Federer didn't change tactics when things weren't going right. (Like using the backhand slice for instance). Federer was just down right awful in that Horna match; he made like 60+ unforced errors, I believe.
But perhaps that loss is what propelled Federer to his brilliant 03 Wimbledon.

Action Jackson
12-24-2004, 07:39 AM
I mean Guga was good that day, but I remember Medvedev playing Guga at the FO and totally outsmarting him. He hit big kickers in the ad court to open it up and managed to hit good drop shots as well, but Guga was too good on this day.

You know the Mantilla match was very interesting to me in the way Roger acted out on court that day, that is how the good claycourters can get in his head, but they can't be passive all the time.

I don't expect Federer to serve/volley all the time and it wouldn't be good to do that as it requires a different form of fitness, but he is good enough to cope and to mix it when he needs to.

Fedex
12-24-2004, 07:59 AM
I don't expect Federer to serve/volley all the time and it wouldn't be good to do that as it requires a different form of fitness, but he is good enough to cope and to mix it when he needs to.
True, and too much serve and volley (on clay especially) would be too predictable, and the players would pick up on this, and dip the returns low at his feet making life very difficult. I think he could, for instance, get away with serving and volleying consistantly on clay against Roddick ( or on any surface for that matter), but the premier clay players will not be totally defenseless against this tactic.
Federer still needs to find the right balance of agressive attacking play, and patience on clay, before he will be good enough to win RG, but he can certainly do it.

Action Jackson
12-24-2004, 08:02 AM
It depends on how much he varies his serve. If he threw in sliders, kickers and a few flat ones and moved them around he could easily throw some of the players off their rhythm, some of them like targets and others don't. It's about knowing which tactic at the time suits the opponent.

I am going to post something in the GG forum you might be interested in.

RogiFan88
12-24-2004, 09:19 PM
Hi George!

I think Rogi should first of all learn SPANISH...

RogiFan88
12-24-2004, 09:20 PM
... so that he can engage a Spanish-speaking coach fr either S. America or Spain [what's Dudu doing these days??]...

RogiFan88
12-24-2004, 09:21 PM
... to work w him part-time...

RogiFan88
12-24-2004, 09:23 PM
...so that he can hone his tactics and strategy in order to...

RogiFan88
12-24-2004, 09:24 PM
...focus on winning RG!

[OK, Rogi, start chumming around w la Armada... Carlos, Juanqui, Tommy, Rafa, Feli... ]

Whistleway
12-27-2004, 07:52 PM
mm.. for me, it a more of a mental thing..

not to let himself down and feel very disappointed on court, if he can't convert 0-40s.

not that it happens a lot ;)

RonE
12-27-2004, 09:28 PM
Speaking of 0-40's sometimes he does have a tendency to let breakpoints slip unnessecarily (eg. the Gaudio match in Houston- yes, Gaston played some of his best tennis on those points but on many of them he just blew his chances) but not remembering the statistics off the top of my head I think he has a pretty high conversion rate so I am being a bit greedy to say something like that I guess ;)

Fedex
12-27-2004, 09:33 PM
Speaking of 0-40's sometimes he does have a tendency to let breakpoints slip unnessecarily (eg. the Gaudio match in Houston- yes, Gaston played some of his best tennis on those points but on many of them he just blew his chances) but not remembering the statistics off the top of my head I think he has a pretty high conversion rate so I am being a bit greedy to say something like that I guess ;)
Roger used to have an awful break point conversion rate, but it certainly has improved. I seem to remember a couple of years back against Hewitt at the TMC, Federer was an atrocious 3/21 on break points. :eek:
Now what I can tell you, is that Rogi is great at saving break points. I can remember all the times he did it against Roddick this year.....Wimbledon, 4th set, saved 5 or 6 break points, TMC Canada, down 0-40, at 4-4 1st set; 3 straight aces, and another ace to hold serve.... Bangkok final, serving for 1st set at 5-4, down 15-40, two straight aces.. Good memories. :) ;)

RonE
12-28-2004, 11:54 AM
Roger used to have an awful break point conversion rate, but it certainly has improved. I seem to remember a couple of years back against Hewitt at the TMC, Federer was an atrocious 3/21 on break points. :eek:
Now what I can tell you, is that Rogi is great at saving break points. I can remember all the times he did it against Roddick this year.....Wimbledon, 4th set, saved 5 or 6 break points, TMC Canada, down 0-40, at 4-4 1st set; 3 straight aces, and another ace to hold serve.... Bangkok final, serving for 1st set at 5-4, down 15-40, two straight aces.. Good memories. :) ;)

Ah yes, he has that old Sampras spirit in the BP saving department :worship:

Yes that 4th set against Roddick at Wimby :eek: including one game where he was also 0-40 down.

I think he also saved his fair share against Nalbandian at the AO which is huge seeing what a good returner David is- he also hit 4 straight aces at one point against him in that match.:eek: