Ranking Experts in here please!

10-06-2002, 02:47 AM
Well we're getting closer and closer to the Masters Cup and the end of the tennis season and I was wondering what the race to #1 looks like! All I know right now is that Lleyton is in front but what would he have to do to guarantee that he'll stay number 1? And who has a chance of catching him and what would they have to do ?

Thanks!! :kiss:

Chloe le Bopper
10-06-2002, 06:12 AM
I'm not going to do the math, but I'm pretty sure that Agassi is theo nly one with a realistic chance of catching him -

And even then Agassi would have to win just about every tournament he enters, and Hewitt would have to lose early in all of them :p

10-06-2002, 07:33 AM
Hewitt has 750 pts in Masters Cup to defend
225 in Stuttgart (now Madrid)

Andre has 100 pts in Masters Cup and thats it

Andre wins both Masters or makes final in one, that will take him close to #1
Andre also plans on playing St Petersburg so could get another 200 pts there.
then he needs to do just better than Hewitt to get #1

Hewitt now on 4465 (-pts to defend =3490)
Agassi now on 2875 (-pts to defend =2775)

King Aaron
10-06-2002, 09:22 AM
Thanks for the calculations Eggy! hmm, i don't like Andre but because I don't want someone to end up no. 1 so GO ANDRE!!!

10-06-2002, 10:45 AM
hehe i agree

10-06-2002, 11:13 AM
Ditto Aaron, if the potato will make it 2-out of-2 ill... Hope for better stuff next year :D

Go ATP! Lose mors often Lleyton! & Tim! :D

10-07-2002, 04:20 AM
Thanks TBE for the math!
Now I'll have to say.... Go Andre!:bounce: I'm not really a fan but if that is the only way of easing Lleyton out of the #1 position, I'll go for Agassi!:D :D

10-07-2002, 04:31 AM
I just have a question. At the year end, if the Race ranking is not the same as the Entry System ranking. Which one is used to determine their year end ranking?

Anyway, it doesn't really matter if Lleyton can defend his points, it's hard to overtake him in the Race unless Andre can win both TMS or a TMS and TMC (and provided that Lleyton don't pick up too many points in these events), it's too much to ask from Andre, even though he's still brillant.

10-07-2002, 08:56 AM
both the rank and the Race system should/will be the SAME
it will only differ for those who have played challengers
if their challenger points are on of their optional 5 then it will make a diff.

lower down ranks (once you get below 50) there is a big difference

10-07-2002, 05:23 PM
Well, the discrepancy may show up earlier than you think. Last year, Goran ended 13th in the Race and 12th in ESR, Roddick ranked 16th in the Race and 14th in ESR. Both players did play CH events in the year. So, that's the reason why I asked. Is Roddick considered a top 15 player at 2001 year end, or a top 20...Well, no big deal, just curious.

10-07-2002, 05:52 PM
Goran played some Challengers last year
Roddick had one or two early on in the year which counted as one of his events too.

10-07-2002, 06:22 PM
Right. I just said that in my last msg, that they both DID play some CH (Challenger) events. So I do understand why there's a discrepancy. My question is still this, which ranking is counted since discrepancy does exist? Okay, don't matter.

I guess what matter is who's #1 this year and there'll be no discrepancy since Hewitt will most likely be there by a big margin.

10-07-2002, 07:07 PM
officially they decide the #1 by the race now
but everyone knows that the ESP is the one that matters

10-08-2002, 06:20 PM
Interesting article from tennisweek on the topic you may enjoy.

Champions Race Closer than Ever

Photo by Susan Mullane By Heather Holland

The ATP season
ending championships is just four weeks away and only two players have qualified.
The competition for the last six places at the Tennis Masters Cup-Shanghai is
the closest since the Race began three years ago.

The top seven players in the Champions Race automatically qualify and the eighth berth goes to either a current Grand Slam champ who isn't in the top eight, but is in the top 20, or the eighth ranked player. So far, only Lleyton Hewitt and Andre Agassi have qualified this year. No. 3 ranked Marat Safin has taken a wild card into Lyon and will play Madrid, St. Petersburg and Paris in order to solidify his position. No. 4 Juan Carlos Ferrero is scheduled to play Vienna, Madrid Basel and Paris. Tim Henman is currently No. 5 but was forced to take this week off for a shoulder injury. He hopes to play Madrid, Basel and Paris and qualify for the first time since 1998.

Carlos Moya, in sixth position, must do well at Vienna, Madrid, Basel and Paris to remain in the top seven. Albert Costa is counting on a good indoor season, traditionally not his best surface, to stay in the running. No. 8 Tommy Haas needs to do well these last four weeks to qualify for his first season ending championships. American Andy Roddick is just 10 points out of seventh place and if he does well in Madrid, Basel and Paris will make his first appearance as well.

No. 10 ranked Roger Federer needs good results in the last four tournaments to make up the 40 points he needs for seventh position. Pete Sampras, while in 12th position, will not play any more tournaments this year and is likely not to qualify. Australian Open champ Thomas Johansson has a chance to qualify if he can amass enough points to pass Sampras. Then, if Costa remains in top seven, Johansson would garner the eighth spot.

10-09-2002, 12:46 AM
I just think it's funny that they always said Pete is "likely not to qualify". I mean, he's not playing for the rest of the season, he's DEFINITELY not going to quality, is there even any doubt? :rolleyes: