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Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year

Yashirobai
11-28-2004, 02:35 PM
Yes. I know it was not an ATP tournament, but, for those like me who are big Ferrero fans and have had a very disappointing season, let's just remember that Juan Carlos Ferrero defeated Roger Federer in 2004 in the Hong Kong final, in Jaunary, with a convincing 6-4, 6-4. It proves that, when Ferrero is at his peak, he is good enough to be No.1 -even though some people "forget" about him and underrate him as well sometimes- and he can beat the considered-God Federer.

GO FERRERO IN 2005 (but win Davis Cup before!)

Sjengster
11-28-2004, 02:52 PM
I remember seeing the result of this - I'm not going to start pouring scorn over the win, but from what I heard about the match and the entire tournament Federer treated the whole thing like an exhibition, playing silly shots at times and not really giving 100%. This is a classic example of his Sampras-like conserving of energy and utilising the minimum of effort, because when they met again in the semis of the AO just a few weeks later Federer was certainly not treating it as a joke.

Still, I for one haven't forgotten that Ferrero was the last Top 10 player to defeat Federer on tour, and it's ironic that all his wins are on hard, not clay - the one match on clay, in Rome last year, was marred by an injury to Ferrero that forced him to retire. I'd pick a healthy Ferrero to beat Federer 9 times out of 10 on clay, and to challenge him on hardcourts, but on that surface he seems vulnerable to the flatter shots of Federer and his returning can be very inconsistent: low and penetrating at times, high and floating at others.

RexEverything
11-28-2004, 02:53 PM
Yes. I know it was not an ATP tournament, but, for those like me who are big Ferrero fans and have had a very disappointing season, let's just remember that Juan Carlos Ferrero defeated Roger Federer in 2004 in the Hong Kong final, in Jaunary, with a convincing 6-4, 6-4. It proves that, when Ferrero is at his peak, he is good enough to be No.1 -even though some people "forget" about him and underrate him as well sometimes- and he can beat the considered-God Federer.

GO FERRERO IN 2005 (but win Davis Cup before!)


*YAWN*

Sjengster
11-28-2004, 03:00 PM
Just the other day I was watching Ferrero's win over Agassi in the US Open semis last year, his last truly great performance up till now - ah, we definitely need him back. He's one of those players who you don't really appreciate until they're gone, rather like Safin last year - frankly, the Trials and Tribulations of Marat Safin became tedious during 2002, but when he was absent through virtually all of 2003 there was a definite gap in the tour. Apart from anything else, I want to see if there is one year where all the five New Balls who have won Slams can be right at the top of the game next to each other. It hasn't happened so far: Hewitt and Safin were on top in 2002, then Roddick, Federer and Ferrero last year (remember that article about the Three Kings of men's tennis? It seems hard to believe at the moment that Ferrero was the third king), and now Ferrero has dropped out of sight.

RPH
11-28-2004, 03:15 PM
It was an exhibtion :rolleyes:

Like Federer was probably trying hard :rolleyes:

Ferrero is not good enough IMO to be a consisent #1 and people don't under-rate him :rolleyes:

Sjengster
11-28-2004, 03:29 PM
Ah, it's always nice to crack out the roll-eyed smilies in place of anything resembling a decent argument. It might be worth remembering that Ferrero was the best all-round player last year by some way, one of only three men to make the second week of every Slam (the others being Agassi and Schuettler) and the best performer in the Slams, reaching two finals. He won TMS titles on clay and indoor hard, whereas Roddick's back to back TMS victories were on the same surface. The bottom line is, he was the deserving year-end no. 1, and if he hadn't had such a terrible end to the year he would have got it.

yanchr
11-28-2004, 03:41 PM
Yes. I know it was not an ATP tournament, but, for those like me who are big Ferrero fans and have had a very disappointing season, let's just remember that Juan Carlos Ferrero defeated Roger Federer in 2004 in the Hong Kong final, in Jaunary, with a convincing 6-4, 6-4. It proves that, when Ferrero is at his peak, he is good enough to be No.1 -even though some people "forget" about him and underrate him as well sometimes- and he can beat the considered-God Federer.

GO FERRERO IN 2005 (but win Davis Cup before!)
You should add Kooyong in your regarding too.

Poor JC and poor JC fans this year. I totally understand your intension of opening this thread. I really hope JC can come back fully fit to join the competition of this young generation. But...

Surely you can go on with your dreams :angel:
And Sjengster, you are a true :angel:

RPH
11-28-2004, 04:03 PM
Ah, it's always nice to crack out the roll-eyed smilies in place of anything resembling a decent argument. It might be worth remembering that Ferrero was the best all-round player last year by some way, one of only three men to make the second week of every Slam (the others being Agassi and Schuettler) and the best performer in the Slams, reaching two finals. He won TMS titles on clay and indoor hard, whereas Roddick's back to back TMS victories were on the same surface. The bottom line is, he was the deserving year-end no. 1, and if he hadn't had such a terrible end to the year he would have got it.

I didn't say he should never be #1 I said he won't be a consisent #1 :rolleyes:
And even if he did have a great 2003 doesn't mean he's the #1 player in the world the years 11 months of lots of tournaments not just grand slams and masters :rolleyes:

Here's some more :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: to you :rolleyes:

tennischick
11-28-2004, 04:11 PM
...the considered-God Federer
delete that word "considered" por favor!!! :worship:

Rick V
11-28-2004, 04:15 PM
Federer will crush Ferrero for the remainder of their respective careers.

mitalidas
11-28-2004, 04:42 PM
Juan Carlos Ferrero defeated Roger Federer in 2004 in the Hong Kong final, in Jaunary, with a convincing 6-4, 6-4. It proves that, when Ferrero is at his peak, he is good enough to be No.1


doesn't prove anything. By your logic, Nadal, Berdych, Henman, Costa and Guga they're all good enough to be No. 1
Ferrero was soundly beaten by Roger when it mattered-- a "real" tournament, a few weeks later-- in fact, a GS

Jorge
11-28-2004, 05:18 PM
delete that word "considered" por favor!!! :worship:
hehehe TC you are a :devil:

roisin
11-28-2004, 07:10 PM
man i remember seeing that result and i didn't really pay much attention to it cos it was only an exhibition & its not like he'd never beaten feds before. but now that u mention it......i probably should've paid more attention to it cos it was probably one of the highlights of the year...how crap does that sound??? its true though...*sigh*

liptea
11-28-2004, 07:24 PM
doesn't prove anything. By your logic, Nadal, Berdych, Henman, Costa and Guga they're all good enough to be No. 1
Ferrero was soundly beaten by Roger when it mattered-- a "real" tournament, a few weeks later-- in fact, a GS

Yet, Ferrero was already injured and struggling at the Aussie Open, his camp even suggested that he would pull out if it weren't a Slam. I saw that match, and poor Juan Carlos look troubled by injury and didn't play nearly at his best.

I really like what Sjengster said about not appreciating Ferrero until he's gone. Ferrero is such a quiet player and flies well under the radar-it's easy to remember louder players like Safin and Roddick (no insult meant here, that's the only word I could find), but he really is consistent, one of the most consistent players on tour if he's at his best. Wasn't Ferrero the only player on tour without a first-round loss last year? That's the ultimate consistency, he managed to play well throughout the year, until injuries caught up to him at the end.

As for Guga proving that he was good enough to be number one....I think that was the truest statement in your whole argument.

liptea
11-28-2004, 07:25 PM
Yes. I know it was not an ATP tournament, but, for those like me who are big Ferrero fans and have had a very disappointing season, let's just remember that Juan Carlos Ferrero defeated Roger Federer in 2004 in the Hong Kong final, in Jaunary, with a convincing 6-4, 6-4. It proves that, when Ferrero is at his peak, he is good enough to be No.1 -even though some people "forget" about him and underrate him as well sometimes- and he can beat the considered-God Federer.

GO FERRERO IN 2005 (but win Davis Cup before!)

Didn't he reach the mixed doubles final with Sharapova at that exhibition?
That's what I remembered about it. ;)

RogiFan88
11-28-2004, 07:45 PM
Juanqui badly needs to help Spain win the DC again if only to boost his confidence so that he can return in 2005 to challenge and win once more! The tour definitely needs for him, Marat and Lleyton to be up there where they belong, to challenge not only Rogi but also Pandy.

Wonder what Juanqui's schedule is for next year...

Yashirobai
11-28-2004, 08:17 PM
Sjengster, all of your posts in this thread were great, couldn't agree more with them. Thanks for puting Ferrero where he deserves.

User id 7816
11-28-2004, 08:37 PM
Me too Sjengs, credits for coming up with all the right arguments, as Ferrero is a great player. He'll be oh so back.

Crazy_Fool
11-28-2004, 08:50 PM
Yeah Sjengster, thanks for your input, it brings back all the good times of Ferrero ;)

I don't remember this game, but maybe i would have appreciated it more if i'd realised what a horrible year JC was about to have :sad:

Winning the Davis Cup is surely gonna help him for next year.

star
11-28-2004, 08:51 PM
As for Guga proving that he was good enough to be number one....I think that was the truest statement in your whole argument.

:)

Alvarillo
11-28-2004, 09:24 PM
i need Ferrero to enjoy 100% the ATP tour, it's not the same without him!
Ferrero comeback and win RG "YOUR tournament".
Vamos Jc!!!!!!!! Vamossss

WyveN
11-28-2004, 10:41 PM
I watched a video from this exhibition of Navratilova playing doubles with Federer, that was fun to watch.

Domino
11-28-2004, 10:58 PM
Who did they play?

makro120
11-28-2004, 11:04 PM
i need Ferrero to enjoy 100% the ATP tour, it's not the same without him!
Ferrero comeback and win RG "YOUR tournament".
Vamos Jc!!!!!!!! Vamossss


Sorry, but RG is Guga's tournament still today and he showed it this year when he destroyed Federer. I still am saying that Guga will win a 4th RG, he will do an "Ivanisevic" and proof to be maybe the best clay player of all time (it might be this year, next year or 3-4 years from now, but it will happen!).


I just can't wait for this year's RG, it will be the highlight of the year. Federer will be there aiming for a grandslam (yes, he will win AO), Ferrero and Guga back in shape (Guga just had a new operation, can't wait to see him back!), the rest of the boys from south america and argentina. It will be an amazing show I can tell you. Impossible to say who will come out as the winner, but I am crossing my fingers for Federer or Guga to win it.

makro120
11-28-2004, 11:06 PM
Think of Federer vs Guga in a 5 set final, both playing on their peak, Federer aiming to become a legend by winning 4 straight grand slams, Guga with the stadium cheering for him showing he can still play at the highest level, aiming to also become a legend alone with Borg to win 4 Roland GArros, who would win? What a thriller!

WyveN
11-28-2004, 11:19 PM
Who did they play?

Verkerk/Dementieva. Think they won a close match.

Denise
11-28-2004, 11:55 PM
Congrats Ferrero! :crazy::wavey::yeah:

Billabong
11-29-2004, 02:48 AM
JC at his best definitely is top-5 material:D

liptea
11-29-2004, 04:30 AM
JC at his best definitely is top-5 material:D

Ferrero at his best is top 2 material, in my opinion.

But it's just an opinion.

Rick V
11-29-2004, 06:44 AM
Guga won't win RG in 2005 (or ever again) but assuming, just for the sake of argument, that he did he would still not be considered the greatest clay court player of all-time. Bjorn Borg is still the best by a long way.

Yashirobai
11-29-2004, 08:19 AM
Think of Federer vs Guga in a 5 set final, both playing on their peak, Federer aiming to become a legend by winning 4 straight grand slams, Guga with the stadium cheering for him showing he can still play at the highest level, aiming to also become a legend alone with Borg to win 4 Roland GArros, who would win? What a thriller!


If you read "Ferrero" where you see "Federer" it's gonna be more entertaining. Ferrero is definetly a better player on clay -when 100%- than Federer.

Daniel
11-29-2004, 08:35 AM
Yes. I know it was not an ATP tournament, but, for those like me who are big Ferrero fans and have had a very disappointing season, let's just remember that Juan Carlos Ferrero defeated Roger Federer in 2004 in the Hong Kong final, in Jaunary, with a convincing 6-4, 6-4. It proves that, when Ferrero is at his peak, he is good enough to be No.1 -even though some people "forget" about him and underrate him as well sometimes- and he can beat the considered-God Federer.

GO FERRERO IN 2005 (but win Davis Cup before!)

exhbtions are not important for Roger, he cares abotu the major , Ferrero could beat Roger many times in an exhbition, when the real tournamet comes Roger beat Ferrero and easily :)

bad gambler
11-29-2004, 12:16 PM
federer thrashed ferrero in aus open semi final - that's a better indicator of the skill difference than some mickey mouse exhibition match

liptea
11-29-2004, 03:23 PM
federer thrashed ferrero in aus open semi final - that's a better indicator of the skill difference than some mickey mouse exhibition match

wOw. I thought we already made it clear that Ferrero was suffereing the first of his long line of injuries? If you watched the match, it was painfully obvious that Ferrero was not nearly at his best.

I don't think it's quite right to write off the exhibition. For a player like Juan Carlos, that win was probably one of the highs of his year.. :sad:

:sad: We should have a poll about which of Juan Carlos Ferrero's injuries was the most depressing.

roisin
11-29-2004, 04:18 PM
We should have a poll about which of Juan Carlos Ferrero's injuries was the most depressing.

gotta be either the chicken pox (i'll admit it i laughed when i was told about it only cos i thought it wasn't true!) or that back spasm injury thing he got against santoro in cinncinati (or toronto i cant remember which). he was in sooooo much pain. it was so sad to watch...

Adam Thirnis
11-29-2004, 07:37 PM
It's a good job that JCF managed to beat Fed when it really mattered rather than waste his energy in a GS semi-final.

I hope we can now see a poll: "Who is more talented: Ferrero or Federer?"

That would make me laugh even more than the Safin one. :lol:

mitalidas
11-29-2004, 08:34 PM
wOw. I thought we already made it clear that Ferrero was suffereing the first of his long line of injuries? If you watched the match, it was painfully obvious that Ferrero was not nearly at his best.


(Yes, it was painfully obvious that he wasn't at his best ---but not because of an injury, he got outplayed by the better player).

well, ferrero cant have it both ways. If he was *really* injured, he should have withdrawn. If he was not, i.e., he was well enough to play --then the result just indicates how poorly he played.
Also, this injury thing can only be taken so far. He lost successive (and with resounding defeats) later in the year:

At Valencia: S Verdasco, Fernando (ESP ) 2-6 1-6
At Monte Carlo: R64 Corretja, Alex (ESP ) 2-6 3-6 and
and then of course to Igor (who?) Andreev at The FO

If he is so injured, what is he doing playing so much back to back??

Ferrero Forever
11-30-2004, 05:32 AM
i'm not going to crap on, you all know my point of view but
- JC is former number 1, and can do it again
- He can and will hold the position for a long time
- He will kick butt next year and
- He will enjoy kicking federer's butt next year

Ballbuster
11-30-2004, 05:43 AM
Yes. I know it was not an ATP tournament, but, for those like me who are big Ferrero fans and have had a very disappointing season, let's just remember that Juan Carlos Ferrero defeated Roger Federer in 2004 in the Hong Kong final, in Jaunary, with a convincing 6-4, 6-4. It proves that, when Ferrero is at his peak, he is good enough to be No.1 -even though some people "forget" about him and underrate him as well sometimes- and he can beat the considered-God Federer.

GO FERRERO IN 2005 (but win Davis Cup before!)
:retard: :retard: :retard:

Yashirobai
11-30-2004, 11:56 AM
He was injured when he played against Federer in AUS Open, and that does not mean he should have retired. He just tried it. He was also injured against Arazi -not that badly though- and he managed to win.

Besides, he's been the last Top 10 player to defeat Federer in an ATP tournament (Madrid, which is one of those "that really count" as some of you say), and he's proved to be very, very good player. Who's more talented, Federer or Ferrero? I personally think a little bit more Federer, but Ferrero's tenacity and forehand, when at his best, are good enough to beat Federer on clay and on hardcourt.

mitalidas
11-30-2004, 12:03 PM
He was injured when he played against Federer in AUS Open, and that does not mean he should have retired. He just tried it. He was also injured against Arazi -not that badly though- and he managed to win.

Besides, he's been the last Top 10 player to defeat Federer in an ATP tournament

what about when he played Verdasco in valencia (lost 6-2, 6-1) --also injured? if he was, then he shouldn't have played the next **week** in Monte carlo where again... yes, lost, to Corretja, 6-2, 6-3. and then, still injured? played at the french open , lost yet again. and the story continues. this is usually the Coria story : I lose, must mean I'm injured. I win, must mean I am so good, that I win despite being injured!

Experimentee
11-30-2004, 12:15 PM
Then you should say Federer suffered 8 losses, because Agassi beat him 6-4 6-2 at Kooyong.

jtipson
11-30-2004, 12:26 PM
Yep, and along the same lines, Nalbandian won 1 title too.

WyveN
11-30-2004, 12:29 PM
Then you should say Federer suffered 8 losses, because Agassi beat him 6-4 6-2 at Kooyong.

Federer lost quite a lot of practice sets during the year, those are probably worth as much as exhibitions.

WyveN
11-30-2004, 12:34 PM
He was injured when he played against Federer in AUS Open

It doesn't make sense to make excuses for Ferrero's loss at AO yet assume Federer was giving it his all in the exhibition. Better to talk about their Madrid match if you want to make a point about Ferrero.

WyveN
11-30-2004, 12:36 PM
Who's more talented, Federer or Ferrero? I personally think a little bit more Federer

There are a couple players more talented then Ferrero apart from Federer.

JuanChuffy007
11-30-2004, 02:25 PM
Yes. I know it was not an ATP tournament, but, for those like me who are big Ferrero fans and have had a very disappointing season, let's just remember that Juan Carlos Ferrero defeated Roger Federer in 2004 in the Hong Kong final, in Jaunary, with a convincing 6-4, 6-4. It proves that, when Ferrero is at his peak, he is good enough to be No.1 -even though some people "forget" about him and underrate him as well sometimes- and he can beat the considered-God Federer.

GO FERRERO IN 2005 (but win Davis Cup before!)

Exactly!! Next year he'll be back!! But as you said, win the DC first hahahaa)

liptea
11-30-2004, 03:19 PM
gotta be either the chicken pox (i'll admit it i laughed when i was told about it only cos i thought it wasn't true!)..
Me too. :sad:

But I still find that injury before Hamburg really depressing.

roisin
11-30-2004, 04:33 PM
and then of course to Igor (who?) Andreev at The FO

oh yes that igor (who?) andreev who also beat agassi at queens.

Crazy_Fool
11-30-2004, 06:00 PM
what about when he played Verdasco in valencia (lost 6-2, 6-1) --also injured? if he was, then he shouldn't have played the next **week** in Monte carlo where again... yes, lost, to Corretja, 6-2, 6-3. and then, still injured? played at the french open , lost yet again. and the story continues. this is usually the Coria story : I lose, must mean I'm injured. I win, must mean I am so good, that I win despite being injured!
:rolleyes: Its obvious you're ignorant to the situation. Oh well. If you watch the matches you would realise what was going on.

mitalidas
11-30-2004, 06:41 PM
:rolleyes: Its obvious you're ignorant to the situation. Oh well. If you watch the matches you would realise what was going on.
Well, so that's why I'm asking. Because I in fact am ignorant about this --- is it injury that is the reason for his W/L record this year? I think I have seen in print that JCF does not blame injury, but rather lack of confidence.

I will dig it up and post here

User id 7816
11-30-2004, 07:07 PM
I think we should just accept he had one crappy year, I did not follow exactly what all injuries, illness he had, but whenever I saw him I thought that stuff was affecting him badly overall and I don't know if it's just his body not being able to take so much, probably so...He got to get his fitness together and then YES he will kick ass.

Leena
11-30-2004, 07:14 PM
But... he beat Justine at Roland Garros. You go, JC.

liptea
11-30-2004, 07:17 PM
But... he beat Justine at Roland Garros. You go, JC.

:confused:

Havok
11-30-2004, 07:29 PM
Ah, it's always nice to crack out the roll-eyed smilies in place of anything resembling a decent argument. It might be worth remembering that Ferrero was the best all-round player last year by some way, one of only three men to make the second week of every Slam (the others being Agassi and Schuettler) and the best performer in the Slams, reaching two finals. He won TMS titles on clay and indoor hard, whereas Roddick's back to back TMS victories were on the same surface. The bottom line is, he was the deserving year-end no. 1, and if he hadn't had such a terrible end to the year he would have got it.
Erm no he wasn't the deserving year-end #1 because after TMS Madrid he sucked major ass. He was surpassed by both Roddick and Federer.

liptea
11-30-2004, 07:36 PM
Erm no he wasn't the deserving year-end #1 because after TMS Madrid he sucked major ass. He was surpassed by both Roddick and Federer.

I think we're talking about overall consistency. Ferrero was constantly the best player throughout the year, while Federer and Roddick weren't all there during the clay season. Ferrero even made a decent showing at Wimbledon, for someone with such an excellent clay game, by reaching the fourth round. Roddick and Federer didn't do nearly that well at Roland Garros. He won a TMS, reached the quarters of the Australian, the fourth round of Wimbly, won Roland Garros and reached the US Open final. If we were measuring the best all-round, complete and consistent player, it was obviously Ferrero.

Federer only came into his godlike tennis near the end of last year, although he showed displays of it at Wimbledon. Andy dominated the summer but didn't play nearly as well during the spring part of the year. Just because Ferrero fell to injury and exhaustion by the end (really only at two tournaments) is no reason to discount his phenomenal consistency throughout the rest of the year.

Number one should measure who we can expect to be the best player at all times. Federer did very well on all surfaces this year, which is why he's number one. Ferrero did very well on all surfaces last year, and that's why he should've ended number one.

Carito_90
11-30-2004, 07:37 PM
Well, so that's why I'm asking. Because I in fact am ignorant about this --- is it injury that is the reason for his W/L record this year? I think I have seen in print that JCF does not blame injury, but rather lack of confidence.

I will dig it up and post here

See, chiken pox is not exactly an injury but it takes a long time to recover from it and it can be pretty dangerous if you have it at Ferrero's age. They older you are when you get it, the more dangerous it is.
That, plus the lack of confidence made Ferrero's year suck, period.

roisin
11-30-2004, 07:55 PM
I think I have seen in print that JCF does not blame injury, but rather lack of confidence.

I will dig it up and post here

the lack of confidence is due to the mountain of injuries he had this year. because he was injured and came back after long absences, he's obviously not going to be in top shape, or brimming with confidence when he made his comebacks. therefore he got frustrated by his lack of confidence etc etc. it all started at the tail end of last year when evident exhaustion caught up with him at TMC and Davis Cup final. because the davis cup final was played at the end of november he had just 2 weeks rest before going back into training. i dont think he should've played AO so he could get a sufficient rest period but because he's a big player, he just didn't want to miss a grand slam and he picked up a few injuries there and some/all of them probably never cleared up fully and reoccured throughout the season. it all sorta just snowballed into one terrible mess that was the 2004 season for juan carlos ferrero. :sad:

soonha
11-30-2004, 08:15 PM
Originally Posted by roisin
..gotta be either the chicken pox (i'll admit it i laughed when i was told about it only cos i thought it wasn't true!)..

Originally Posted by Carito_90
See, chiken pox is not exactly an injury but it takes a long time to recover from it and it can be pretty dangerous if you have it at Ferrero's age. They older you are when you get it, the more dangerous it is.

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Very true. Chicken pox is a "really" serious disease for adults not like for children and even fatal for elderly people. Roisin, it's not funny thing being laughed at. Take count of me for this, I'm a M.D.

roisin
11-30-2004, 08:24 PM
Roisin, it's not funny thing being laughed at.

yes i'm well aware of that, i only laughed because it was my sister who told me & she always tells me things that aren't true to annoy/scare me so i just thought she was joking about it.

i wish she was.

Havok
11-30-2004, 11:43 PM
I think we're talking about overall consistency. Ferrero was constantly the best player throughout the year, while Federer and Roddick weren't all there during the clay season. Ferrero even made a decent showing at Wimbledon, for someone with such an excellent clay game, by reaching the fourth round. Roddick and Federer didn't do nearly that well at Roland Garros. He won a TMS, reached the quarters of the Australian, the fourth round of Wimbly, won Roland Garros and reached the US Open final. If we were measuring the best all-round, complete and consistent player, it was obviously Ferrero.

Federer only came into his godlike tennis near the end of last year, although he showed displays of it at Wimbledon. Andy dominated the summer but didn't play nearly as well during the spring part of the year. Just because Ferrero fell to injury and exhaustion by the end (really only at two tournaments) is no reason to discount his phenomenal consistency throughout the rest of the year.

Number one should measure who we can expect to be the best player at all times. Federer did very well on all surfaces this year, which is why he's number one. Ferrero did very well on all surfaces last year, and that's why he should've ended number one.
Oh I know that Ferrero was the best player overall in the slams and was pretty consistent throughout the year on all surfaces, whereas Federer and Roddick didn't do much on the dirt. Though saying he was the deserving year-end #1 over both Roger and Andy is a stupid statement. Yeah had Ferrero had actually played decent ball after Madrid I'm sure he would have ended that year as #1 but he didn't, he was surpased by 2 players. And besides, Federer won 7 titles, Roddick 6, Ferrero 4. Yeah out of those 4, 3 of them were TMS and above, for Roddick he also had 3 of TMS and above, and Federer only had 2 and above, but both Andy and Roger also won other titles to go along with it, while Ferrero couldn't win that many other titles. It's very easy to just zone in on Andy's summer dominance and Roger's Wimbledon/TMC dominance, but they also won titles throughout the year.

Havok
11-30-2004, 11:48 PM
Also being #1 doesn't necesarilly mean a player being at his best on all surfaces and at all times. Roddick last year didn't do much on clay, and Sampras all those years at being #1 wasn't the greatest dirt baller, though he was undoubtedly #1.

Fedex
12-01-2004, 08:33 PM
Also being #1 doesn't necesarilly mean a player being at his best on all surfaces and at all times. Roddick last year didn't do much on clay, and Sampras all those years at being #1 wasn't the greatest dirt baller, though he was undoubtedly #1.
Sampras didn't need to be great on clay. He dominated on all the other surfaces.

Yashirobai
12-04-2004, 12:08 PM
Even though the rankings may say Andy Roddick finished No.1 in 2003, and I'm not gonna discuss it, I think, if we don't take "numbers" into consideration and we just look at what did Ferrero, Roddick and Federer did, looks like Ferrero was by far the most regular (no first one losses), most complete (30 wins on both clay and hard for the irst time since 1981) and with better results at Grand Slams (1 win, 1 final, 1 QF). When some of you guys say "hey, but Federer and Roddick won more minor titles", I think that is not a really good point. Because, I think we will all agree, or we should, that it is better, for example, to reach the Final in a Grand Slam and anything else; than reaching the Semifinals and wining Halle and Munich. In this case, the rankings would show that this second player has done better (more points), but, among us, the first player achieved something bigger.

RPH
12-04-2004, 04:06 PM
Why is there a discussion about that Ferrero should have finished last year #1 :rolleyes:

He didn't Andy did and it's now December 2004 :rolleyes:

Some people really need to stop living in the past :)

^Sue^
12-05-2004, 01:00 AM
Yes. I know it was not an ATP tournament, but, for those like me who are big Ferrero fans and have had a very disappointing season, let's just remember that Juan Carlos Ferrero defeated Roger Federer in 2004 in the Hong Kong final, in Jaunary, with a convincing 6-4, 6-4. It proves that, when Ferrero is at his peak, he is good enough to be No.1 -even though some people "forget" about him and underrate him as well sometimes- and he can beat the considered-God Federer.

GO FERRERO IN 2005 (but win Davis Cup before!)

Well, why do u wanna remind us?? :confused:

^Sue^
12-05-2004, 01:04 AM
Why is there a discussion about that Ferrero should have finished last year #1 :rolleyes:

He didn't Andy did and it's now December 2004 :rolleyes:

Some people really need to stop living in the past :)


:eek: Amazing.

Fedex
12-05-2004, 01:23 AM
Why is there a discussion about that Ferrero should have finished last year #1 :rolleyes:

He didn't Andy did and it's now December 2004 :rolleyes:

Some people really need to stop living in the past :)
I agree. We should be talking about, and disscusing the 04 season, and the upcoming 05 season, not the 2003 season.

Ferrero Forever
12-05-2004, 02:37 AM
but it's so nice to reflect on Ferrero's achievements in 03, 04 was just painful, but 05 will be great.