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Categories where Federer is not among the very best?

KarstenBraasch#1
11-23-2004, 10:05 PM
Categories = forehand, serve, footwork, etc.

:shrug:

Billabong
11-23-2004, 10:33 PM
backhand I would say (watch the 2004 RG 3rd round, there's someone better than him in this category;)!) :)

bandabou
11-23-2004, 10:36 PM
Yep...backhand...that´s what cost him that match against Guga...Guga was just pounding that backhand.

alfonsojose
11-23-2004, 10:39 PM
nose

alfonsojose
11-23-2004, 10:40 PM
forehand volleys

Leena
11-23-2004, 10:42 PM
Serve - Roddick
Forehand - Roddick

mitalidas
11-23-2004, 11:13 PM
Hi Slut (I feel so bad to write that...), but do you mean roddick's forehand is harder than Federer's? Federer's is the most versatile I think -- and tremendous disguise. roddick's FH is hard, but nothing else

mitalidas
11-23-2004, 11:14 PM
nose

silly fonsy .... :)

naiwen
11-23-2004, 11:14 PM
I would say dropshot.

serve - Roddick
forehand - Federer
backhand - Safin
volleying - Henman
dropshot - Coria
return - Agassi
play in gusty wind - Federer
smash to the stands - Federer
double faults - Hewitt
tirade - Safin

Leena
11-23-2004, 11:16 PM
Hi Slut (I feel so bad to write that...), but do you mean roddick's forehand is harder than Federer's? Federer's is the most versatile I think -- and tremendous disguise. roddick's FH is hard, but nothing else
Don't be ashamed... I'm not!

I really think Roddick's forehand can be the best shot in tennis at times. He's just inconsistent with it. Roger has more variety, but power will always win... eventually. :p

Fedex
11-23-2004, 11:33 PM
Hi Slut (I feel so bad to write that...), but do you mean roddick's forehand is harder than Federer's? Federer's is the most versatile I think -- and tremendous disguise. roddick's FH is hard, but nothing else
Federer's forehand is definitely better than Roddick's.

Fedex
11-23-2004, 11:34 PM
forehand volleys
Out of the volley department, the forehand volleys are probably the weaker of the two, but overall Federer is among the best in volleying.

Leena
11-23-2004, 11:35 PM
Federer's forehand is definitely better than Roddick's.
I think somebody is a little biased on the situation! :p

makro120
11-23-2004, 11:35 PM
1st serve - Roddick
2nd serve-Federer
Saving breakpoints-Federer
forehand - Federer
backhand - Safin/Nalbandian/Federer(Guga on clay, hard court the swing is too slow)
volleying - Henman
slising-Federer
Building points-Federer/Agassi
Defending-Coria/Hewitt/Federer
dropshot - Coria/Moya
returning 2nd serves - Agassi
returning 1st serves-Federer
play in wind - Agassi/Hewitt
smash - Federer
Mental strength-Federer

faboozadoo15
11-23-2004, 11:39 PM
i dont think the question is asking "what is roger not the best at" but rather "what category of tennis would you not mention roger as one of the best." clearly no one can be the best at everything, especially in mens tennis.
i think there are several better backhands on tour.
he may not be at the top of the chip and charge game.

Fedex
11-23-2004, 11:39 PM
I think somebody is a little biased on the situation! :p
If you watch Federer-Roddick matches, you'll notice how dominate Federer is in the forehand to forehand rallies. That's why Roddick trys to attack Federer's backhand with his forehand, to avoid the Federer forehand, but even that doesn't work.

Leena
11-23-2004, 11:41 PM
If you watch Federer-Roddick matches, you'll notice who dominate Federer is in the forehand to forehand rallies. That's why Roddick trys to attack Federer's backhand with his forehand, to avoid the Federer forehand, but even that doesn't work.
Yeah, I know... :sad:

But... after Andy hits a 1st serve. His forehand putaway is dynamic!

Fedex
11-23-2004, 11:44 PM
Yeah, I know... :sad:

But... after Andy hits a 1st serve. His forehand putaway is dynamic!
Unless he's playing Federer, who often chips the ball back low, so Roddick can't hit the forehand put away.

Leena
11-23-2004, 11:46 PM
Roger cheats.

Chloe le Bopper
11-23-2004, 11:48 PM
roddick's FH is hard, but nothing else

I tried to tell Fumus that once and he didn't listen to me :p

Pea
11-23-2004, 11:54 PM
Why does everyone think rodduck has a good 1st serve? Roger's is DEFINITELY better than his. His is pure power. Roger can place the ball, kick it, pound, etc. He jhas tons more variety. Just because you can serve at 145mph, it does not mean it's the best. I don't even consider his one of the best.

Ginger
11-24-2004, 12:01 AM
roddick's FH is hard, but nothing else
Sounds like a commercial for Viagra...

makro120
11-24-2004, 12:02 AM
I would not put him among the best in drop shots and lobs. These are the only cathegories he is not AMONG the best, but he is still above avarage in both these cathegories I think.

Leena
11-24-2004, 12:03 AM
Why does everyone think rodduck has a good 1st serve? Roger's is DEFINITELY better than his. His is pure power. Roger can place the ball, kick it, pound, etc. He jhas tons more variety. Just because you can serve at 145mph, it does not mean it's the best. I don't even consider his one of the best.

I'll be serious with this one. :p

Roddick does all those things, too. He has an amazing kick serve, and an effective slice 1st serve that uses at opportune. And he has a much more sound motion, than Federer. Roger's is very natural, which is good, but his ball toss isn't consistent. And power does mean something... it takes tons of tons of practice to be able to produce that much velocity on a consistent basis.

While I'm a Roddick hater... you all have to respect his serve. It really is amazing.

Pea
11-24-2004, 12:09 AM
There's nothing about it. Honestly, even when he does kick it, his power is just overwhelming. And the only time he tries to mix it up is when he's had an easy match. Against top players, all he uses is his power serve.

RogiFan88
11-24-2004, 12:23 AM
These are the categories that Rogi would not be at the top:

Best player w a coach
Best Spanish-speaking player
Most losses in finals
Best monolingual player
Most argumentative [w umpire]
Best gamesmanship
Most times bagelled
Best whiner
Best racquet breaker
Sweatiest player
Most awkward service motion
Best player without a cow
Loudest grunter

Domino
11-24-2004, 12:29 AM
I'll be serious with this one. :p

Roddick does all those things, too. He has an amazing kick serve, and an effective slice 1st serve that uses at opportune. And he has a much more sound motion, than Federer. Roger's is very natural, which is good, but his ball toss isn't consistent. And power does mean something... it takes tons of tons of practice to be able to produce that much velocity on a consistent basis.

While I'm a Roddick hater... you all have to respect his serve. It really is amazing.

Where on earth do you get that Roddick's motion is more natural than Roger's?

WyveN
11-24-2004, 12:47 AM
I had my doubts at the beginning of the season but I think Federer's forehand is the best in the game. Its spin, its power, its placement, its retrieval. Others may be better in a single category for example power but all round Federer has the best forehand.

Federer doesn't have the best backhand although its up there.

Henman has better volleys.

Serve depends if you believe power or spin is more affective. Hewitt has a lot more problems with Federer's serve then with Roddicks due to the high kick and placement Federer gets.
Safin on the other hand didnt have any problems at all with Federers serve in the second set of their match and was returning it far more effectively then he could manage against Roddick.

Lots of players are better then Federer at defensive play on clay although he certainly is the best at this on fastcourts.

Coria is certainly the master of the forehand drop shot.

WyveN
11-24-2004, 12:48 AM
nose

:lol:

Leena
11-24-2004, 12:50 AM
Where on earth do you get that Roddick's motion is more natural than Roger's?
I never said that... I just said it's technically better.

Fedex
11-24-2004, 12:51 AM
Henman has better volleys.


Federer is almost certainly next after Henman in the volley department.

WyveN
11-24-2004, 12:52 AM
Federer is almost certainly next after Henman in the volley department.

True and he can sometimes pull off volleys that I think Henman wouldnt be able to but still Henman is more consistent in this category.

Fedex
11-24-2004, 12:53 AM
Serve depends if you believe power or spin is more affective. Hewitt has a lot more problems with Federer's serve then with Roddicks due to the high kick and placement Federer gets.

Hewitt has more problems with Federer's serve than Roddick? Granted it gives both of them alot of problems, but saying Roddick can handle Federer's serve better than Hewitt can, is laughable.

WyveN
11-24-2004, 12:55 AM
Hewitt has more problems with Federer's serve than Roddick? Granted it gives both of them alot of problems, but saying Roddick can handle Federer's serve better than Hewitt can, is laughable.

I said Hewitt has more trouble returning Federers serve then Roddicks but its the other way around for Safin.

england_rules
11-24-2004, 12:56 AM
Hewitt has more problems with Federer's serve than Roddick? Granted it gives both of them alot of problems, but saying Roddick can handle Federer's serve better than Hewitt can, is laughable.
He was actually saying that Hewitt has more trouble with Federer's serve than Roddick's serve.

Fedex
11-24-2004, 12:56 AM
I said Hewitt has more trouble returning Federers serve then Roddicks but its the other way around for Safin.
Oh, sorry WyverN, misread you're post.

Fedex
11-24-2004, 12:57 AM
He was actually saying that Hewitt has more trouble with Federer's serve than Roddick's serve.
I am aware of that now. :)

Havok
11-24-2004, 01:19 AM
I personally don't think that Federer has any shot that's THE best, but that being said he's really one of the very few players who's top 5 in all the shots I'd say.

Leena
11-24-2004, 01:25 AM
The one thing I would say Roger is possibly the all-time best at is 1st serve returns.

His ability to get back near unhittable returns is uncanny.

J. Corwin
11-24-2004, 01:28 AM
He's among the very best in all the categories, that's what makes him so good. One thing that stands out though is forehand dropshot. He has said that he'd work on those cuz he hasn't "perfected" that yet. ;)

Leena
11-24-2004, 01:32 AM
Portas had the best forehand drop shot... because he hit it every point. :p

Fedex
11-24-2004, 01:34 AM
I personally don't think that Federer has any shot that's THE best, but that being said he's really one of the very few players who's top 5 in all the shots I'd say.
Federer's forehand is the best, and his volley is only 2nd to Henman.

Havok
11-24-2004, 02:02 AM
I said for me personally. I would pick roddick/ferrero/moya over federer, though slightly. And volleys I'm sure there's some doubles specialist who sucks at singles who's got better volleys.

mitalidas
11-24-2004, 02:22 AM
Originally Posted by mitalidas
roddick's FH is hard, but nothing else
Sounds like a commercial for Viagra...

yeah!! I initially wrote ".... roddick's is harder..." then realized that with all of us perverts on the forum, the innuendo was too strong. especially given that roddick's name ends with DICK!

Billabong
11-24-2004, 02:34 AM
Federer is almost certainly next after Henman in the volley department.
yep:)

Pea
11-24-2004, 02:52 AM
I said for me personally. I would pick roddick/ferrero/moya over federer, though slightly. And volleys I'm sure there's some doubles specialist who sucks at singles who's got better volleys.

LMAO! How sad.:tape:

WyveN
11-24-2004, 03:09 AM
And volleys I'm sure there's some doubles specialist who sucks at singles who's got better volleys.

Comparing doubles volleying skills with singles volleying skills is like comparing apples and oranges.

WF4EVER
11-24-2004, 12:03 PM
Well, imagine that, Federer is not the best in many things but he is the best with what he has which is why he is the best player in the world right now and why he has dominated the tour the way he did in 2004.

So it really doesn't matter whether another player has a better serve, better back hand, better forehand or rounder, cuter ass. Roger uses his tools in combination a lot better than all the others and 2004 is proof of that.

mitalidas
11-24-2004, 03:20 PM
So it really doesn't matter whether another player has a better serve, better back hand, better forehand or rounder, cuter ass.

I agree with the cuter ass part (no better ass on tour than Roger's) :)

and thus: LMAO

Cervantes
11-24-2004, 06:34 PM
Surprisingly no one has mentioned Federer's extraordinary footwork. This is imo the reason he can hit such amazing groundstrokes, he's always one step ahead of his opponent by taking the ball early, on the rise. And that's why most of the time he doesn't even have to hit the ball as hard as for example Roddick or Safin.

SAtennis
11-24-2004, 06:56 PM
Federer's strong points:

Footwork, of course.
Forehand
Serve (especially second serve)
Backhand slice (deep and confusing the opponent)
Overhead
Mental strength


Things Federer can improve:

Dropshots (he's been working on it)
Volley (getting much better these days)

Fedex
11-25-2004, 12:41 AM
I said for me personally. I would pick roddick/ferrero/moya over federer, though slightly. And volleys I'm sure there's some doubles specialist who sucks at singles who's got better volleys.
Fererro/Moya/Roddick hit their forehands harder than Federer, but Federer uses more spin, variety, angles, as well as power. He has the ability to hit his forehand in so many different ways, that it makes his stand out above the rest.

Leena
11-25-2004, 12:43 AM
Moya is also better at doing his little prance to the back of court while running around his backhand.

Havok
11-25-2004, 12:45 AM
Comparing doubles volleying skills with singles volleying skills is like comparing apples and oranges.
Hey some are just better in doubles than singles. Just because people are doubles specialists doesn't mean that they totally give up in singles as well, so therefore no it isn't like comparing apples and oranges.

liptea
11-25-2004, 12:52 AM
Moya is also better at doing his little prance to the back of court while running around his backhand.


If we gave an award to a player for running around his backhand, I think Carlos would win.

Carlos, we won something!! :dance: :bounce: :clap2: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

liptea
11-25-2004, 12:54 AM
I agree with the cuter ass part (no better ass on tour than Roger's) :)

and thus: LMAO

We call this bias... ;) :hug: I'd say Moya's is better... :inlove: :inlove:

To each his own, I suppose.

Fedex
11-25-2004, 01:09 AM
. And volleys I'm sure there's some doubles specialist who sucks at singles who's got better volleys.
Please Naldo, you cant compare a doubles volley to a singles volley :tape: I seem to remember telling you this once, but apparently that concept hasn't sunk in yet.

Fedex
11-25-2004, 01:11 AM
Hey some are just better in doubles than singles. Just because people are doubles specialists doesn't mean that they totally give up in singles as well, so therefore no it isn't like comparing apples and oranges.
Actually it is. A doubles volley can't be compared with a singles volley, so what WyverN said makes perfect sense.

Fedex
11-25-2004, 01:12 AM
If we gave an award to a player for running around his backhand, I think Carlos would win.

Carlos, we won something!! :dance: :bounce: :clap2: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Roddick does this pretty good, as well.

Havok
11-25-2004, 01:25 AM
If you have taken notice, Moya runs around his backhand countless times, Roddick has lessened that considerably. And since when do you volley differently in singles and doubles? Getting to net for the volley is what many good doubles players have a tough time doing (distinctly remember Nestor at TMS Canada this year), though when he did do a good job at getting to the net, his volleys were superb, and no they were not hit any differently than if he was playing doubles.

mitalidas
11-25-2004, 01:26 AM
I agree with the cuter ass part (no better ass on tour than Roger's)



We call this bias... ;) :hug: I'd say Moya's is better... :inlove: :inlove:

To each his own, I suppose.

marat's is got to be in the competition too :)
i suppose we'll throw in the arrogant ass haas too (note, how "ass" is almost part of haas's name, LOL)

Fedex
11-25-2004, 01:33 AM
If you have taken notice, Moya runs around his backhand countless times, Roddick has lessened that considerably. And since when do you volley differently in singles and doubles? Getting to net for the volley is what many good doubles players have a tough time doing (distinctly remember Nestor at TMS Canada this year), though when he did do a good job at getting to the net, his volleys were superb, and no they were not hit any differently than if he was playing doubles.
Comparing a doubles volley to a singles volley is like comparing doubles to singles. As doubles and singles are two different games, a singles volley is an entirely different shot from a doubles volley. For instance, Naldo, in singles, you have alot more space to cover around the net, while in doubles, only half of the net, or court, do you have to cover. That already changes things significantly, so the two cannot be compared.

Fedex
11-25-2004, 01:36 AM
marat's is got to be in the competition too :)
i suppose we'll throw in the arrogant ass haas too (note, how "ass" is almost part of haas's name, LOL)
mitalidas, is you're avatar from Wimby 03, or Wimby 04?

WyveN
11-25-2004, 01:51 AM
For instance, Naldo, in singles, you have alot more space to cover around the net, while in doubles, only half of the net, or court, do you have to cover. That already changes things significantly, so the two cannot be compared.

Also you have far more court to hit the volley into in doubles.

mitalidas
11-25-2004, 01:55 AM
mitalidas, is you're avatar from Wimby 03, or Wimby 04?

its Wimb 03 -- a bad pic, no? Unfortunately, reducing its size to meet this darned MTF size quota, it got distorted beyond belief.

JeNn
11-25-2004, 02:04 AM
Roger's Serve and Forehand are the best around, some players might have one match where they are better. But consistently it's Roger quite easily.

His volleys are close, yes, probably second behind Henman but he doesn't use them enough IMO.

His Backhand is underrated. Comparing it to the top ten guys - probably only Safin's and Nalbandian's are better. it's right up there.

But Roger has something that can't as easily be defined and that's anticipation and split second timing. He gets to the ball and hits it so early that it completely robs his opponents of any time to react. So even if his shot itself isn't that good it comes so quickly that it's a winner anyway.

mitalidas
11-25-2004, 02:39 AM
Its the disguise on rog's fh which is unbelievable --even on taped matches where I know its going, I cannot tell till the ball is hit that it went right even though the "natural" shot seemed to be left - uncanny.

LiZpHaIr
11-25-2004, 03:10 AM
Up until TMC it would be..hairstyle.

Leena
11-25-2004, 03:38 AM
Comparing a doubles volley to a singles volley is like comparing doubles to singles. As doubles and singles are two different games, a singles volley is an entirely different shot from a doubles volley. For instance, Naldo, in singles, you have alot more space to cover around the net, while in doubles, only half of the net, or court, do you have to cover. That already changes things significantly, so the two cannot be compared.
The bigger difference is the quickness you need at net. Many volleys are pure reaction in doubles.

Still though, if you're a strong volleyer in doubles... you probably won't be too bad with net play in singles, either. The main problem is being able to get to net, and not be overly vulnerable.

Fedex
11-25-2004, 05:49 AM
its Wimb 03 -- a bad pic, no? Unfortunately, reducing its size to meet this darned MTF size quota, it got distorted beyond belief.
No, its a good picture. :)

Yashirobai
11-25-2004, 09:21 AM
1st serve - Roddick
2nd serve - Roddick
Saving breakpoints-Federer
forehand - Ferrero
backhand - Safin
volleying - Federer/Henman
slising - Federer
Building points - Agassi/Hewitt
Defending - Coria
dropshot - Ferrero/Moyá
returning 2nd serves - Agassi/Nalbandián
returning 1st serves - Agassi/Federer
play in wind - Coria/Gaudio
smash - Ferrero/Federer
Mental strength - Hewitt

Lalitha
11-25-2004, 10:31 AM
Now that Federer is at his best with no sign of real weakness, it is difficult to say. But if at all he is having a bad time, all his strength might turn to weakness. Hope it does'nt happens.

Hendu
11-25-2004, 12:35 PM
1st serve - Roddick
2nd serve - Federer
forehand - Federer
backhand - Safin (one handed: Guga/Gaudio)
volleying - Henman
slising - Federer
Building points - Agassi/Hewitt/Nalbandian
Defending - Coria/Schuettler/Gaudio
dropshot - Coria/Moyá
returning 2nd serves - Agassi/Nalbandián
returning 1st serves - Agassi/Federer
Mental strength - Federer

Sjengster
11-25-2004, 02:39 PM
One thing about Federer's forehand is that whether he's hitting it cross-court or down the line, when he injects pace into it to hit a forcing shot or an outright winner, he nearly always goes to his opponent's forehand rather than hitting the off-forehand to the backhand corner, a la Moya. IMO this is one of the things Nalbandian read very well last year; in their US Open match every time Federer pulled the trigger on the forehand Nalbandian simply anticipated it to his forehand side and snapped the ball back cross-court at a sharp angle, leaving Federer totally out of position. But still, he can hit the forehand to every part of the court when he really needs to.

olliemyers
11-25-2004, 03:03 PM
looks? ;)

mitalidas
11-25-2004, 03:41 PM
No, its a good picture. :)

any picture of the Express is a good one :inlove: :inlove:

mitalidas
11-25-2004, 03:45 PM
looks? ;)

roger is good looking.... not conventionally handsome like Marat or Haas but his confidence comes through in the way he carries himself, and adds to his overall looks

WF4EVER
11-25-2004, 04:32 PM
roger is good looking.... not conventionally handsome like Marat or Haas but his confidence comes through in the way he carries himself, and adds to his overall looks

ITA. I never considered Roger one of the more handsome men on the tour. In fact, the way I see it the tennis gods made Marat Safin, and the others grovelled for whatever was left. But honestly, Roger is so charming, so soft-spoken that his average looks are magnified in my eyes.

Horatio Caine
11-25-2004, 04:37 PM
His volleys aren't the best. The dropshot would need improving for RG. Seriously, I think he should try Henman's tactic at RG. If it can get a 30-year old to the semis and get him nearly 2/0 sets up agaimst the best clay court player around then it is good enough for Fed to have a serious shot at the title.

liptea
11-25-2004, 06:55 PM
ITA. I never considered Roger one of the more handsome men on the tour. In fact, the way I see it the tennis gods made Marat Safin, and the others grovelled for whatever was left. But honestly, Roger is so charming, so soft-spoken that his average looks are magnified in my eyes.

Gods made Carlos Moya too. :inlove:

I like how smooth Roger is, that always makes him so hot. He's just such a nice, nice guy, you can't help but love Roger. I like how sportsmanlike and kind he always is, and that makes him a beautiful man. :hug:

Hagar
11-25-2004, 10:09 PM
But honestly, Roger is so charming, so soft-spoken that his average looks are magnified in my eyes.

Roger having average looks??? :rolleyes:
Then why are all the average looking men we meet all the time are looking so ugly???

Roger is a handsome devil, that's what he is. :devil:

JeNn
11-25-2004, 10:17 PM
Roger having average looks??? :rolleyes:
Then why are all the average looking men we meet all the time are looking so ugly???

Roger is a handsome devil, that's what he is. :devil:

MMmmmm...I don't think Roger is good looking at all. I guess these things are all subjective. He is a lovely guy though :)

RogiFan88
11-26-2004, 01:45 AM
Neither Rogi nor Marat have conventional looks... they are both uniquely good-looking. Haas is more conventionally good-looking and he knows it.

As for the dropshot, Rogi did say it's sth he needs to improve [a la sneaky Guille, who is expert at it... he even dropshotted Tim!]. Rogi also said he w like to improve his volleys, a la Timbledon.

federer express
11-26-2004, 02:13 AM
he is amongst the best at everything...including backhand. i think he will even won the french as is the only guy with any hope of doing the grand slam...and he has a good chance of doing it one year.

Prizeidiot
11-26-2004, 05:49 AM
Hi, I'm new to this, but if any of you go on the wta forums, then you should know me (refer to username)

Umm... I'd say Federer has among the best at everything from the backcourt, ESPECIALLY backhand, but his volleys leave a little to be desired at times. He can run cold with them. I would say most of the full time doubles players would have much better volleys than him, along with Henman.

joeb_uk
11-26-2004, 10:27 AM
he has ONE of the best backhands on tour, but there are players with better backhands e.g. safin, guga, gaudio. These are the players that can attack federers backhand (of course feds is a great one, but this is his least successful area). Maybe there are not many with better backhands than fed, but that is the way to attack him

joeb_uk
11-26-2004, 10:28 AM
he is amongst the best at everything...including backhand. i think he will even won the french as is the only guy with any hope of doing the grand slam...and he has a good chance of doing it one year.
i think he will struggle at RG, he may surprise us all but i cant see him winning it for a while. JUST too many good claycourt players around

WyveN
11-26-2004, 11:06 AM
Maybe there are not many with better backhands than fed, but that is the way to attack him

It was the way to attack him, players kept trying it this year and it has only worked on a few occasions.

joeb_uk
11-26-2004, 11:13 AM
It still is the way, of course he has better defense and attack now with the backhand but its probably the weakest part of his game, i say this in a light sense as its not a weakness compared to other players backhands, but the weakest area of his game. Players arent going to beat him playing into the forehand every shot, they will get burnt. Or in another case, players arent going to beat players like safin by playing to his backhand. i do believe safin has the best backhand on tour, so smooth and powerful and he is able to hit alot of winners from it.

mitalidas
11-26-2004, 11:43 AM
i think he will struggle at RG, he may surprise us all but i cant see him winning it for a while. JUST too many good claycourt players around
you may be right he won't ever win it, but its not because there are many good clay players around -- he beat them in succession (gaudio, moya, coria) at a big tournament in hamburg

joeb_uk
11-26-2004, 12:08 PM
but has he beaten them in the big tournament ie RG. NO? also its not because of the players, but federer himself

Fedex
11-27-2004, 08:55 PM
I would say most of the full time doubles players would have much better volleys than him, along with Henman.
How many times do I have to go over the fact that doubles volleys are not the same as singles volleys??

LiZpHaIr
11-28-2004, 08:28 AM
Hewitt is a lot more consistent...?

LiZpHaIr
11-28-2004, 08:29 AM
Not like its mattered lately.

faboozadoo15
11-29-2004, 02:22 AM
http://usuarios.lycos.es/golovin/51262015.jpg
a little picture that shows another place where federe competes with the very best :tape: