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CooCooCachoo
11-23-2004, 09:32 PM
Hey :)

Today I went to the Groningen Challenger. I am not going to type an entire report, but these are matches I saw a part of and I also watched some practising. So if you want to know about a match or a player, just ask me and I will gladly answer:

Azzaro, Leonardo (Ita) – Kendrick, Robert (Usa)
Kunitsyn, Igor (Rus) – Sanguinetti, Davide (Ita)
Logtens, Paul (Ned) – Parmar, Arvind (Eng)
Korolev, Evgueni (Rus) – Wauters, Stefan (Bel)
Kim, Kevin (Usa) – Hammer, Philipp (Dui)
Andersen, Jan Frode (Nor) – Zverev, Mihail (Dui)
Fischer, Holger (Dui)/De Kleijn (Ned) – Kendrick, Robert / Kim, Kevin (Usa)

CooCooCachoo
11-23-2004, 09:44 PM
But I created this thread for Davide Sanguinetti ;)

This year I saw a lot of tennis:

- Rotterdam, five days
- Scheveningen, two days
- Amersfoort, one day
- Rosmalen, five days
- Wimbledon, one day
- Luxembourg, one day
- Hasselt, two days

And then the last tournament this year for me, Groningen, provides me with the most interesting match of the year by far: Igor Kunitsyn RUS - Davide Sanguinetti ITA (5). I wanted to watch Davide, cause I had never seen him in real life and well, I wasn't disappointed!

I found that he played very solid, but not very well or very motivated. And his movement was a bit off. Kunitsyn had a very awkward, somewhat scared expression on his face, but he always has that ;) He played good attacking tennis from the baseline. He has got some potential, but he needs to make fewer mistakes. He is quite a cool player too, in both meanings of the word.

Davide was quite fired up. Let me first say that the umpires, linesmen and ballboys are all of pathetic quality here in Groningen. The umpire has to tell the ballboys all the time to change positions, roll the balls to the other side. Once, Azzaro even started waving at one of the ball kids (who were too young, IMO; usually they use older children), because it took forever to get a ball (but that was a diff. match, obviously). Some linesmen didn't change position either when they were supposed to :o So the umpire had to say something again. And the chair umpires themselves didn't make too many good overrules and were biased when it comes to handing out code violations.

Combine this with Davide's lack of form and his lousy play in the match and his personality, you have fireworks. He was constantly arguing with the chair umpire about calls that were wrong or at least to his disadvantage. In 90% of the cases he was right too. But he never got his share. There was one particular lineswoman that was frequently bothering him. When she walked away, he pretended hitting her with the racquet. It was quite funny for me to see, but it was also a bit scary :o

He threw his racquet around a LOT. I think there are clear marks on the court. I am also surprised it didn't break :o And he hit the balls everywhere. But this is not what he got a code violation for. In his arguments with the chair umpire, he said these things:

"What the fuck are you doing here?"
"You should look at the line, not me"
"It's like Back to the Futures here"

I think he also said something along the lines of "What do you there? Jerking off or something?" But I cannot be 100% sure, though I would bet money on him using the words 'jerking off'.

Still, he had a match point, but he didn't take advantage of it. He lost 6-3 3-6 6-7 in a very exciting and entertaining match (like I said, the most entertaining and interesting match of the year for me). After the match, he refused to shake the umpire's hand, threw the towel in his direction and kept raging on and making gestures like 'fuck off, you shouldn't be here'. He also did this to the particular lineswoman. And he complained very loudly, kicking stuff to supervisor Carl Baldwin (I think that's the name). And when he entered the players' lockerrooms, he hit it very loudly too.

I always thought he was a funny, kind, grey man.. How wrong could I have been :o Although it was extremely funny to me, I overheard some ballboys talking that they really were scared for their lives with him tossing his racquet around in every direction :o

Imagine.. He only got ONE code violation (unsportmanship combat or something) :o

CooCooCachoo
11-23-2004, 09:48 PM
Also, when I spoke to Igor after the match he said it had been really hard playing that match for him.

jole
11-23-2004, 09:55 PM
When you mention Igor having a scared expression, and it being a hard match. Was Davide's behavior really affecting that Igor badly? He won obviously, but barely, and this is with Davide playing bad.

CooCooCachoo
11-23-2004, 09:58 PM
Igor was angry with himself sometimes, but he behaved very calmly :yeah: But I don't know how it affected him mentally. But he didn't really express frustration with Sanguinetti, so that is good :) He sure can focus :D

jole
11-23-2004, 10:02 PM
That's good to hear. I am not an enormous Kunitsyn fan or anything, but I like when people keep their cool on the court. Especially in times when they aren't playing their best, and even lose to someone they shouldn't.

TennisLurker
11-23-2004, 10:03 PM
Can I post your report in fat becca's forum? (in the challenger forum)

I will say you wrote it/

merle
11-23-2004, 10:04 PM
Hehe, that must have been entertaining. :o If you have time I'd like a few words about how Kendrick was doing. Thanks.

RonE
11-23-2004, 10:11 PM
Thanks for the report Coo- it is always interesting to see matches lik this up-front and personal and not only on tv. Also to hear what the experience was like for the ball kids.

KarstenBraasch#1
11-23-2004, 10:33 PM
Davide :rolleyes: I like his style but he is one of the worst chokers on tour :o yet another example :(

RPH
11-23-2004, 10:41 PM
Davide years been filled with tight losses and at his age he probably knows slumps will mean certain retirement

Also at his age he would have seen a lot so he probably knew the way the match was setted was poor ;)

Who Igor Kunitsyn's :confused:

Kristen
11-24-2004, 03:57 AM
Kunitsyn had a very awkward, somewhat scared expression on his face, but he always has that ;) He's the sweetest eh! I'll add a pic to this, so people can see how he looks even when he's off the court. He does have a "concerned" sort of expression.

"It's like Back to the Futures here"Hilarious!

I always thought he was a funny, kind, grey man.. How wrong could I have been :oDon't worry too much Martijn, I always saw pictures of him, and thought he looked like the sweetest guy, only to find out (this year) that he was an absolute arsehole on court. Maybe he's a decent guy off the court, I don't know. I'm never going to give him the chance to impress me. I'm so glad Igor won this match, he would have felt like absolute crap if he'd lost. Looking at Davide's appalling behaviour is probably a good example for him, to show how 'not' to let things get to you so much :rolleyes:. what a :retard:. Great work Igor :hug:

star
11-24-2004, 05:20 AM
awwwwww Igor is adorable!!! I love him just from that picture. :lol:

Thanks for the report Coo Coo. It was great. :hatoff:

jole
11-24-2004, 06:50 AM
I don't know Davide or anything, but I think he most likely is a pretty decent guy. There are just some people who have alter-egos on the court. Not that it is exactly excusable, though.

CooCooCachoo
11-24-2004, 08:58 AM
Hehe, that must have been entertaining. :o If you have time I'd like a few words about how Kendrick was doing. Thanks.

:) Robert Kendrick :smash:

OK He started off so incredibly poor. I was really interested in seeing him play, but he made so many mistakes time after time. Leonardo Azzaro (he's got puppy eyes :lol: ) was very stable, making some good winners and hardly any errors, but most of the time the points were just given to him. Some of those unforced errors Robert made were really :rolleyes:

It was 6-2 3-0 and then 6-2 4-1 for Azzaro. But Kendrick turned it around :o All of a sudden he stopped hitting unforced errors and his shots worked. Azzaro became more frustrated (not as frustrated as Kendrick was before; he got a warning for ball abuse) and never won another game. Not that Kendrick was playing spectacular tennis all of a sudden; he just made fewer unforced errors and Azzaro was less stable.

I took a picture of him after the match, but you will have to wait a loooooooong time for it :) It's on the film, which in not full yet ;)

:bigwave:

_________
Martijn

CooCooCachoo
11-24-2004, 08:59 AM
awwwwww Igor is adorable!!! I love him just from that picture. :lol:

Thanks for the report Coo Coo. It was great. :hatoff:

No problem ;) :hug:

CooCooCachoo
11-24-2004, 09:02 AM
And Kirsten, Igor was really nice :hug: I like him :)

FrogBurger
11-24-2004, 11:59 AM
Great info here, will read more fully when time allows, thanks for the reports

Kristen
11-25-2004, 06:08 AM
:lol: Its only a matter of time before i see Kunitsyn in your signature ;)
G;ad you liked him, and glad to see that star has found a soft spot for Igor :angel: He's so cool! Can't wait for them all to come to Australia! I was talking tennis with my dentist today :D (This really should go in the 'say anything' thread, lol... but we were discussing my next appointment, in between a heap of tournaments! I'm getting 3 wisdom teeth taken out :eek: )

CooCooCachoo
11-25-2004, 08:46 AM
Well, Holger Fischer and Mihail Zverev did make it after Tuesday, so I was more impressed by them :ras:

OUCH There go your wisdom teeth.. That must be painful :( Good luck :hug: I fear I am up for the same treatment in a few years..

Experimentee
11-25-2004, 03:23 PM
I'd like to hear your thoughts on Kevin Kim and Arvind Parmar :)

Horatio Caine
11-25-2004, 04:24 PM
Arvind's a great guy - hope he behaved himself! :)

Elikian
11-26-2004, 09:59 AM
Hehe, that must have been entertaining. :o If you have time I'd like a few words about how Kendrick was doing. Thanks.
Hi

Well, I watched his match against Kunitsyn in the second round. He didn't play bad but Kunitsyn just simple and totally outplayed him. Igor did it very well. But indeed, like Coocoocachoo said, the linesmen and ballboys were very crap. At one point a lineman made a wrong call and Robert just quit. "Suddenly injured". He just didn't feel like playing anymore, and just quit. I found that a rather bad attitude.

Having seen the tennis, my bets are on Kunitsyn or Wessels to win this one.

My personal highlight (tennis-wise ;)) was from Behrend-Waske. Again, VERY bad work from the linesmen. One guy in particular, for the FOURTH (!!) time made a bad call against Waske, and he told him:
"You don't have to be against me all the time, he's German too!" :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:
The umpire said something like "hey, don't talk to him, talk to me", to which Behrend replied. "No, don't talk at all, just take that guy out". Which was very nice, and Alexander thanked him for it. Was a very good match, which I certainly didn't expect Waske to win after the 1st set.

CooCooCachoo
11-26-2004, 10:52 AM
Hi

Well, I watched his match against Kunitsyn in the second round. He didn't play bad but Kunitsyn just simple and totally outplayed him. Igor did it very well. But indeed, like Coocoocachoo said, the linesmen and ballboys were very crap. At one point a lineman made a wrong call and Robert just quit. "Suddenly injured". He just didn't feel like playing anymore, and just quit. I found that a rather bad attitude.

Having seen the tennis, my bets are on Kunitsyn or Wessels to win this one.

My personal highlight (tennis-wise ;)) was from Behrend-Waske. Again, VERY bad work from the linesmen. One guy in particular, for the FOURTH (!!) time made a bad call against Waske, and he told him:
"You don't have to be against me all the time, he's German too!" :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:
The umpire said something like "hey, don't talk to him, talk to me", to which Behrend replied. "No, don't talk at all, just take that guy out". Which was very nice, and Alexander thanked him for it. Was a very good match, which I certainly didn't expect Waske to win after the 1st set.

:) Cool! :) :haha: Tomas is a great guy. Unfortunately I only saw him heading to the practice court on Tuesday; he didn't play :(

That does sound like bad behaviour from Kendrick :o But he was already very annoyed on Tuesday. The linesmen, umpires and ballboys are soooo bad. It is so much better in all events I have been to, including the Scheveningen Challenger.

CooCooCachoo
11-26-2004, 10:55 AM
I'd like to hear your thoughts on Kevin Kim and Arvind Parmar :)

Well, I didn't see much of Kevin Kim. I missed his singles match completely, watching Sanguinetti - Kunitsyn. I saw a part of his doubles match with Robert Kendrick against Ruben de Kleijn and Holger Fischer (:worship: Holger). He was quite solid, clearly the best player out there. Ruben was by far the worst. But I mean the quality wasn't great.

Parmar was "useless down there" according to himself. He was not happy with his baseline game. I didn't see the first set, which he won 6-0, cause I was watching Zverev - Andersen. The second set was very very close and Logtens could have won it too. Maybe he should even have won it, cause he had some chances in the tie-break. But Arvind relied on his good serve :)

Elikian
11-26-2004, 11:21 AM
And Coocoocachoo, YES, Indeed. Davide indeed said 'jerking off'... but I thought it was him who was doing it, listening to his loud moaning for the remainder of the match. If I were the umpire I'd given Sanguinetti a penalty instead of just a warning. But especially in the beginning, Kunitsyn wasn't that much of a saint (Sinterklaas ;)) either. He's thrown lots of rackets too.

Frooty_Bazooty
11-26-2004, 01:59 PM
martijn, do u no what the problem with schalken was? it says on the pdf draw he was leading 6-1 1-0 when he withdrew with a lower back injury...

Elikian
11-26-2004, 02:09 PM
Well, I spoke to the umpire afterwards (known him for years) and he said he was suprised too. I asked him if Sjeng had said it before the match that he was going to retire, because no-one in the crowd had noticed any injury during the match, and Sjeng just suddenly quit.
He replied that he hadn't known either, and it might have been nicer if Sjeng had called for the trainer, be massaged for three minutes, play another 2-3 points and then retire. The crowd would have accepted it better. Now he just suddenly came to the net and said "I can't continue, my back hurts too much". And that while he was leading 6-1 and playing very well...no visual pains. Real pity, and certainly for the tournament itself.

CooCooCachoo
11-26-2004, 04:30 PM
And Coocoocachoo, YES, Indeed. Davide indeed said 'jerking off'... but I thought it was him who was doing it, listening to his loud moaning for the remainder of the match. If I were the umpire I'd given Sanguinetti a penalty instead of just a warning. But especially in the beginning, Kunitsyn wasn't that much of a saint (Sinterklaas ;)) either. He's thrown lots of rackets too.

Igor kept his cool, though, considering his opponent :)

BTW Which of the umpires do you know? I think there were only three and two of them were not too impressive :o

federer express
11-26-2004, 06:33 PM
who cares...more accurately what is sanguinetti doing almost winning a match?!
he is one of the worst players i have ever seen. his strings are sooooo loose abd he still generates no power. he would have lost matches playing with today's technology against ppl with wooden rackets in the 40s

CooCooCachoo
11-26-2004, 07:06 PM
who cares...more accurately what is sanguinetti doing almost winning a match?!
he is one of the worst players i have ever seen. his strings are sooooo loose abd he still generates no power. he would have lost matches playing with today's technology against ppl with wooden rackets in the 40s

Right.

:retard:

federer express
11-26-2004, 07:13 PM
Right.

:retard:

:smash:

CooCooCachoo
11-26-2004, 07:16 PM
:) Sanguinetti's strength is keeping the ball in play. He doesn't generate power, but he doesn't need to either.

federer express
11-26-2004, 07:21 PM
he doesn't need to generate power?? hmmm.....

think about this:

2004 singles results: lost almost twice as many as won
Career singles results: W129 L186

Impressive isn't he

CooCooCachoo
11-26-2004, 07:24 PM
No player is capable of maintaining a high level of play. Trust me, he is a very good player, but he is slipping now.

Elikian
11-26-2004, 10:51 PM
Igor kept his cool, though, considering his opponent :)

BTW Which of the umpires do you know? I think there were only three and two of them were not too impressive :o
I know Jeroen Smeets. (was in Scheveningen too) I was the one doing Schalken-Minar for instance. The Italian Guy (Messina) didn't impress me at all, and neither did the other Dutch fellow. I believe there were four though. There was a French guy there as well I thought.

jole
11-26-2004, 10:57 PM
Sanguinetti made $222,866 in prize money this year before taxes. I don't blame him for being out there!

CooCooCachoo
11-27-2004, 06:18 AM
I know Jeroen Smeets. (was in Scheveningen too) I was the one doing Schalken-Minar for instance. The Italian Guy (Messina) didn't impress me at all, and neither did the other Dutch fellow. I believe there were four though. There was a French guy there as well I thought.

Hmm, from what I saw on Tuesday there were three taking turns.. Not that I know their names, because they weren't introduced :rolleyes: