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Off Season: Let's talk about 2004 ATP #8-20

Tennis Fool
11-22-2004, 03:09 AM
8. Agassi, Andre (USA )
9.Nalbandian, David (ARG )
10.Gaudio, Gaston (ARG )
11.Canas, Guillermo (ARG )
12.Johansson, Joachim (SWE )
13.Robredo, Tommy (ESP )
14.Hrbaty, Dominik (SVK )
15.Grosjean, Sebastien (FRA )
16.Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS )
17.Haas, Tommy (GER )
18.Massu, Nicolas (CHI )
19.Spadea, Vincent (USA )
20.Kiefer, Nicolas (GER )

How do you think these 12 will do? Who will go up in rank? Who will go down? Who do you expect to make Masters Cup (if they play their best tennis?)

drf716
11-22-2004, 04:09 AM
i would like to see misha win major titles, he has the game though not the power, yet!

Fedex
11-22-2004, 04:15 AM
I'll start with Agassi and Nalbandian. Agassi should lurk around the top 8 next year, and I expect he'll do well in the majors next year, especially Down Under. Nalbandian, although injured through the vast majority of this season, still made the top ten, which just shows you how good he can be, if he stays healthy. If Nalbandian is fit and healthy next year, there's no reason why he wont make the MC, and be a major threat at all the majors.

Tennis Fool
11-22-2004, 04:16 AM
i would like to see misha win major titles, he has the game though not the power, yet!
Misha is past 21, right? His chances of winning a first slam drop exponentially after that age.

Leena
11-22-2004, 04:18 AM
Who's Misha?

Sorry,

ATP n00b.

Tennis Fool
11-22-2004, 04:22 AM
Who's Misha?

Sorry,

ATP n00b.

Hint: It's a Russian nickname ;)

Leena
11-22-2004, 04:23 AM
Hint: It's a Russian nickname ;)
I figured that.

I just didn't want to look stupid thinking it was Youzhny. :sad:

drf716
11-22-2004, 04:25 AM
Who's Misha?

Sorry,

ATP n00b.
MIKHAIL YOUZHNY
and i dont think its right to count anybody out. a lot of players bloomed at their late twenties although i cannot name any, i'm sure there are

Tennis Fool
11-22-2004, 04:26 AM
MIKHAIL YOUZHNY
and i dont think its right to count anybody out. a lot of players bloomed at their late twenties although i cannot name any, i'm sure there are
Well, Gaudio and Rafter both bloomed in their mid-twenties. Henman is still trying to get that Slam at 30+.

Leena
11-22-2004, 04:28 AM
Anyway,

Haas to up in rank the most.
Agassi to go down the most.

sparkus8
11-22-2004, 04:34 AM
Haas will probably move up.
Gaudio and Hrbaty will drop down. Both had career years and it will be tough for them to replicate those performances next year.
Nalbandian will make next years masters cup if he remains fit and maybe Haas as well.

Neely
11-22-2004, 05:09 AM
Kiefer will move up, he just needs a few good results at the beginning of the year to do so!

The difficult part will be to defend all those points from the US hardcourt season.

Haas will move up!

Fedex
11-22-2004, 05:36 AM
Well, Gaudio and Rafter both bloomed in their mid-twenties. Henman is still trying to get that Slam at 30+.
Well, if Henman needs some inspiration, he need not look any farther than Agassi, who won the majority of his slams in his late 20's, early 30's. :)

Fedex
11-22-2004, 05:38 AM
Hrbaty will likely go down. He had a tremendous season this year, but its going to be extremely difficult for him to repeat that next year.

Action Jackson
11-22-2004, 05:40 AM
Nalbandian if he stays injury free then he will make TMC and that goes for Ferrero as well.

MisterQ
11-22-2004, 06:00 AM
Agassi's ranking will fluctuate a lot next year because so many of his ranking points are clustered in a just a few events (Australia, Cincinnati...) I hope he will play a more extended clay court season since he can pick up a lot of points compared to this year's clay results. Ultimately I think he will finish in the Top Ten again, but as for Masters Cup, depends how much he ends up playing.

Nalbandian and Haas will improve in ranking. Gaudio will fall, but hopefully he can improve some of his hard court results too. Cañas and J. Johansson are likely to enter the top ten at some point.

novanora
11-22-2004, 06:41 AM
Canas and Haas still have the space to go up. Nalbandian and Sebastian can lift themselves if healthy enough. Agassi will stagger around #7-9. Hrbaty and Gaudio may go down.

Action Jackson
11-22-2004, 06:46 AM
Cañas doesn't have many points in the first half of the year, a 4th rounder at the Aus Open is his main one and if he can hold it together he has a big chance of making the top 10 and I would love that.

savesthedizzle
11-22-2004, 08:46 AM
I think Kiefer will go up. He would have been higher had he not gotten injured at the US Open, and missed the rest of the year, because he was playing great. I think Tommy Robredo might have a better season, but he'll always hover around 10-15, the same area he's in now. Haas will probably go up too.

jole
11-22-2004, 12:14 PM
I'd be lying if I said it won't be a challenge for Dominik Hrbaty to defend a lot of his points, but I think he can do it. Hopefully he can continue his tradition of training like a fiend in the offseason (if you can call it one) and doing fantastic in the first quarter of the year. Also, almost anything will be better than 2004 during claycourt tournaments, so that is an easy way to help his ranking.

Horatio Caine
11-22-2004, 12:20 PM
Hrbaty, Kiefer, Pim Pim to fall out of top 20.

Ferrero to move up but not into top 8.

Agassi to remain static between 7-9 and Henman to remain top 10 but maybe not top 8.

Canas to make top 10 and Nalbandian top 5.

Rusedski into top 30 and Andy Murray into top 50 (j/k for the latter!!!) :haha: :haha:

Roger-No.1
11-22-2004, 04:54 PM
Cañas doesn't have many points in the first half of the year, a 4th rounder at the Aus Open is his main one and if he can hold it together he has a big chance of making the top 10 and I would love that.
Me too, GWH. :yeah:

alfonsojose
11-22-2004, 05:02 PM
Hrbaty, Gaudio out. Kiwi, Misha, PimPim up.

*Ljubica*
11-22-2004, 05:06 PM
As others have said before me, providing Nalbandian remans injury free he should rise up in the ranking - his goal is to end next year at least in the Top 5 and I think he can achieve that. And I'm not just saying that because he is my favourite player, but because finishing in the Top 10 this year despite all his injuries, proves just how good a player he is :worship: and how much he could achieve if he could play all season. Other than that - I expect Canas and Haas to rise into the Top 10, and I see Johansson and Youzhny doing well too. As for those that go down - well Hrbaty, Agassi, and (hate to say it) Gaudio :sad:

RPH
11-22-2004, 05:23 PM
Agassi, Haas and Johansson will probably move up :)

Massu, Hrbaty and Gaudio to go down :)

buddyholly
11-22-2004, 05:42 PM
I do not expect to see Agassi on the tour next year.

CooCooCachoo
11-22-2004, 05:59 PM
In my opinion, Tommy is ranked higher right now than he deserves, based on his game. But a lot of players have been injured and he has taken advantage of that. This does mean there is room to move up next year. I hope he can do it :yeah:

Tennis Fool
11-22-2004, 06:01 PM
How come you people are ignoring Vinny :fiery:

Leena
11-22-2004, 06:03 PM
In my opinion, Tommy is ranked higher right now than he deserves, based on his game. But a lot of players have been injured and he has taken advantage of that. This does mean there is room to move up next year. I hope he can do it :yeah:
Why do you say that?

Tommy was ranked like 500 for much of the year, and played his best tennis in the little tournies. He can play a lot better in the slams and TMS.

How come you people are ignoring Vinny

He's old. And American. We hate Americans.

CooCooCachoo
11-22-2004, 06:19 PM
Why do you say that?

Tommy was ranked like 500 for much of the year, and played his best tennis in the little tournies. He can play a lot better in the slams and TMS.



He's old. And American. We hate Americans.

Tommy Robredo ;)

Leena
11-22-2004, 06:45 PM
Tommy Robredo ;)
Haha. Sorry. :p

TheBoiledEgg
11-22-2004, 07:03 PM
Andre wont finish top 10 next season.
Nalby if he's fit, ready, top 5 :)


Tommy Haas probably hits top 10 next yr.
Canas also hits top 10 :bolt:
Pim Pim improves again (although his BH wont)
Misha :shrug: improves rank until late in yr when his pts come off (unless he does great in slams)

Gaudio to turn back into a pumpkin after RG ;)


as for lower down
Ferrero........ after Aus Open pts come off he's down to 70 ish (almost Poo Zone)
alot depends on the clay season, and who he draws in TMS, thats gonna be a whole lot of fun, and all the seeds shitting themselves :tape:

now what of the Poo himself ???
will he stick himself back together or will it be the Royal Flush as his disintegrates down the toilet faster than diahorrea (hope no one is eating while they read this :lol: ??? )


and what will "Stiffy" (Schalken) do after his viral probs ......

Roger-No.1
11-22-2004, 08:49 PM
Ferrero........ after Aus Open pts come off he's down to 70 ish (almost Poo Zone)
alot depends on the clay season, and who he draws in TMS, thats gonna be a whole lot of fun, and all the seeds shitting themselves :tape:

:haha: Poor seeds!

Cervantes
11-22-2004, 09:01 PM
Up:
9.Nalbandian, David (ARG)
17.Haas, Tommy (GER)

Down:
8. Agassi, Andre (USA)
10.Gaudio, Gaston (ARG)
13.Robredo, Tommy (ESP)
14.Hrbaty, Dominik (SVK)
16.Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS)
18.Massu, Nicolas (CHI)
19.Spadea, Vincent (USA)

Hold:
11.Canas, Guillermo (ARG)
12.Johansson, Joachim (SWE)
15.Grosjean, Sebastien (FRA)
20.Kiefer, Nicolas (GER)

knight_ley
11-22-2004, 09:49 PM
I think Kiefer will move up. He was on an amazing run this summer till he hurt himself in the Open... So I thing 2005 is going to be great for him.

Roger-No.1
11-22-2004, 09:51 PM
I think Kiefer will move up. He was on an amazing run this summer till he hurt himself in the Open... So I thing 2005 is going to be great for him.
That would be fantastic! :D

Sjengster
11-23-2004, 12:35 AM
It's nice to see that TBE cares enough about Stiffy to at least speculate on his progress next year. Honestly. Unfortunately, he's in a rather similar situation to Ferrero - big points to defend at the start of the year when he's unseeded, and bad results will drop him much further down the rankings than the Mosquito. Still, he does at least have a Wimbledon QF left on his resume.

Roger-No.1
11-23-2004, 02:01 AM
Is Sjeng feeling better now?

~EMiLiTA~
11-23-2004, 08:41 AM
Gaudio to turn back into a pumpkin after RG ;)

:haha:

~EMiLiTA~
11-23-2004, 08:44 AM
In my opinion, Tommy is ranked higher right now than he deserves, based on his game. But a lot of players have been injured and he has taken advantage of that. This does mean there is room to move up next year. I hope he can do it :yeah:

I agree with you there...and I think he is being pushed quite a bit which is probably the cause of his injury this year. He should be careful and pace himself well if he wants to improve his ranking

Aleksa's Laydee
11-23-2004, 10:28 AM
Joachims gonna rise high!!!

Tennis Fool
11-25-2004, 04:07 AM
He's old. And American. We hate Americans.

:p

Experimentee
11-26-2004, 02:37 PM
I think Hrbaty can maintain his top 20 position. Its not like this is the first time he's ended the year in the top 20, he has done it a couple of times before, and he didnt do well in the TMS events this year, so not many points to defend from there. Normally he starts off the year very well, so I'd expect a title defense at Auckland. He'll lose his points from Adelaide since hes playing Hopman Cup instead. Apart from those I've mentioned, theres nothing significant except Marseille and the US Open. So I'm quite confident he'll maintain his top 20 position.

Horatio Caine
11-26-2004, 02:42 PM
I think Hrbaty can maintain his top 20 position. Its not like this is the first time he's ended the year in the top 20, he has done it a couple of times before, and he didnt do well in the TMS events this year, so not many points to defend from there. Normally he starts off the year very well, so I'd expect a title defense at Auckland. He'll lose his points from Adelaide since hes playing Hopman Cup instead. Apart from those I've mentioned, theres nothing significant except Marseille and the US Open. So I'm quite confident he'll maintain his top 20 position.

Nah - he won't. At best he is really top 30 material.

Experimentee
11-26-2004, 02:43 PM
Gaudio will probably go down after RG but I think he can have a great clay season to lessen the effect of that. After RG he was doing great in all the clay events, he should continue that next year. And he is capable of playing well on hardcourts. But he wont be in the top 15 next year.

Experimentee
11-26-2004, 02:46 PM
Nah - he won't. At best he is really top 30 material.

Well considering he's been ranked around 15 this year and also two years previously I'd say he is top 20 material. If you're just basing it on his game and talent you could say top 10.

Rogiman
11-26-2004, 02:51 PM
How in the world Novak isn't amongst the top 20?

My take: He's better than almost everyone in the list and realistically should be no.11 (right after Agassi, Nalbandian and Canas).

Horatio Caine
11-26-2004, 02:52 PM
Well considering he's been ranked around 15 this year and also two years previously I'd say he is top 20 material. If you're just basing it on his game and talent you could say top 10.

He's certainly not consistent enough to be called a top 10 player - in any case he has never been there.

He is only just borderline consistent to get into the top 20. After the first 2 months of this year he did relatively little. The only other good result i remember him getting is the US Open QF - I wonder why! :devil:

Expect to see him drop out of the top 25 immediately next year and probably not finish the year inside the top 20. In a few years time he may make his way back up there again. He is too much like a yo-yo.

Horatio Caine
11-26-2004, 02:53 PM
How in the world Novak isn't amongst the top 20?

My take: He's better than almost everyone in the list and realistically should be no.11 (right after Agassi, Nalbandian and Canas).

Because he had a rubbish first 7 months of the season. If he had had some good results then then he would have finished inside the top 20/15. His Tokyo and Basel win only elevated him from the 40s. I'd expect him to make top 15 by Wimbledon - he has relatively few points to defend.

Stensland
11-26-2004, 03:00 PM
nalbandian - top 8 definitely, if he stays injury-free
gaudio - top 20, but rather top 30 i guess
canas - stays where he is, rather moving down, top 15-20
johansson - who knows? plays all or nothing, saw him twice this year, big hitter, could make it to the tmc, could go down top 30, good for him that there are 2 hardcourt gs, he's a showbag, no prediction...
robredo - stays top 20
hrbaty - top 20-30
grosjean - stays as well where he is, maybe couple of qfs at gs, semis at masters series...
youzhny - top 20
haas - likely to enter top 10, can earn a whole lotta points at AO, qf or semis maybe...
massu - another showbag, can lose against kindlmann, can win against anybody! double gold at olympics, but got crushed by robredo 0-6, 2-6, 0-6 (!!) at RG 2nd round...top 10 if he can pull himself together...same for gonzalez, lost at RG two sets 0-6, 1-6 vs. mayer....(?!?!?), but plays amazing tennis at times, e.g. world team cup, saw hinm playin' there...
spadea - now this guys gonna get crushed severely, top 50 next year...
pavel - goes down as well, top 40-50, too old now...
guys to make it to top 20 players: ancic, verdasco, berdych, nadal (definitely, maybe even higher...!), nieminen, possible starace...

just imo

Experimentee
11-26-2004, 03:05 PM
He's certainly not consistent enough to be called a top 10 player - in any case he has never been there.

He is only just borderline consistent to get into the top 20. After the first 2 months of this year he did relatively little. The only other good result i remember him getting is the US Open QF - I wonder why! :devil:

Expect to see him drop out of the top 25 immediately next year and probably not finish the year inside the top 20. In a few years time he may make his way back up there again. He is too much like a yo-yo.

As a player he is good enough but you are right it depends on the consistency. I was only challenging your comment that he is top 30 at best. 3 years in the top 20 certainly shows he is better than that.
A lot of people seem certain that he wont end the year in the top 20, maybe not but I think it is definitely possible based on his talent and the fact that hes done it a few times before. It is not like he's some flash in the pan who only had one great year in his whole career.

Horatio Caine
11-26-2004, 03:07 PM
Youzhny won't finish top 20. Neither will Spadea, Ancic, Verdasco, Berdych, Nieminen or Starace.

Pavel is good enough to remain in top 30. Remember the poor guy ran into Federer in 5 of his 8 tournaments or something this year. He was very unlucky and likely would have got a few more points then.

Grosjean is going to fall sharply if he doesn't get going quickly. He has Wimbledon SF and Queen's final keeping him from 70th odd.

Gaudio - top 40.
Nadal - top 30.
Nalbandian - top 4, maybe even top 3 if injury free. Hugely impressive staying in top 10 after playing half as much as the other top 10 players.
Agassi - top 12 somewhere.
Ferrero - top 15, probably around 12.

Horatio Caine
11-26-2004, 03:10 PM
As a player he is good enough but you are right it depends on the consistency. I was only challenging your comment that he is top 30 at best. 3 years in the top 20 certainly shows he is better than that.
A lot of people seem certain that he wont end the year in the top 20, maybe not but I think it is definitely possible based on his talent and the fact that hes done it a few times before. It is not like he's some flash in the pan who only had one great year in his whole career.

I see where you're coming from - it's just that to "belong" anywhere you have to be consistently in that bracket. Hrbaty is not really a top 20 player because he has never been consistently there. He is more likely, on average, to hover around top 30.

There is no doubt that he can reach the top 20 but he doesn't belong there. It is the same for Spadea.

Heck, Henman doesn't belong in the top 5. He CAN make it there but he can't remain there for too long. You won't hear me saying that again! :devil:

Horatio Caine
11-26-2004, 03:11 PM
It is not like he's some flash in the pan who only had one great year in his whole career.

True, but he can't maintain the flow of form and results for longer than 8 weeks.