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Will "Invisible Man" Moya make MC next year?

Tennis Fool
11-21-2004, 11:08 PM
As I said in another thread, I don't get Moya. He seems to get by with a pretty mediocre year and still somehow to comfortably make the Masters Cup. No one ever talks about him. He doesn't challenge any of the other players. At the US Open he said he didn't expect to win the tournament; and he doesn't even play the French like he expects to ever win again. He's going into his 7th year without a Slam, and when was the last time he made a Slam final?

I used to like Moya, too, but I don't like this "lack-of-intensity" Moya. If he doesn't do something soon, I can't imagine him to continue to float in the Top 8, with the youngsters coming up.

What do you think of Moya?

joeb_uk
11-21-2004, 11:09 PM
Its what i was thinking before hand, how does he manage to be ranked that high? what exactly has he achieved apart from a masters title and a few low level atp titles? It puzzles me how high he is ranked

Neely
11-21-2004, 11:15 PM
Well, despite his ankle injury that forced him to skip the Australian Open, Carlos had an awesome start into the year.

Very quickly two titles, another two finals to start the year. AWESOME!

TMS winner, several TMS Quarterfinals, TMS semifinal.

Grand Slam Quarterfinal, Grand Slam fourth round (yes, he showed up at Wimbledon and I enjoyed him playing there, very good performance of Carlos).

So he is one of the best and did well in most of the events that mattered, Grand Slam, TMSs and that's why he easily qualified ;) :yeah:

Well done, Carlos! :clap2:

TennisLurker
11-21-2004, 11:17 PM
he is the king of the umag's and chennai's of this world.

he won rome too

Leo
11-21-2004, 11:34 PM
At the beginning of the year, I didn't think he would still be in the Top 10 let alone the Top 5 by the end of the season. He did. I don't think he will be up there next year. So let's see if I'm wrong again.

He hasn't been in the Final Four of a Major since the 1998 US Open.

He doesn't have the belief, it seems, to beat the top players or win the big events anymore. Look at his QF match against Coria at the French. He had numerous chances and actually served for the first two sets, but he crumbled on both occassions and had basically thrown in the towel early in the 3rd set. And you bring up a good point, TF, that he was the #3 seed at the US Open but admitted that he didn't believe he could win it. And just this week, he said that his two goals this year were merely to reach the TMC and win the Davis Cup. The latter is a team effort and doesn't say much about him as an individual player. And considering that he ended both '02 and '03 in the Top 5, you'd think he would set higher goals for himself than simply to be among the Top 8 in Houston. Where are the aspirations to win a Slam again and return to #1? Where is the confidence?

IMO, Moya has achieved as much as he "should" have.

lizabeth..*
11-21-2004, 11:55 PM
he said that his two goals this year were merely to reach the TMC and win the Davis Cup. The latter is a team effort and doesn't say much about him as an individual player.

The reason he wants to win DC is because he missed out on playing when Spain won DC in 2000 because of his back injury.

In any case, I still believe he is a great player, and a player I enjoy watching. I do believe he could have done better than he has. If he wants to be at the TMC next year. I am sure he will be there.

Lady
11-22-2004, 12:06 AM
And during TMC he's the only player who took a set from BOTH finalists!
Funny, ha? ;)

I love to watch Carlos play!

Lady
11-22-2004, 12:07 AM
Federer doesn't count, obviously. ;) lol

Jorge
11-22-2004, 12:12 AM
The reason he wants to win DC is because he missed out on playing when Spain won DC in 2000 because of his back injury.

In any case, I still believe he is a great player, and a player I enjoy watching. I do believe he could have done better than he has. If he wants to be at the TMC next year. I am sure he will be there.
well said Lizabeth :yeah:
And during TMC he's the only player who took a set from BOTH finalists!
Funny, ha?

I love to watch Carlos play
you are so right, Lady :)

that "invisible man" will kick roddick ass next month at Sevilla, take it for granted ;)

alfonsojose
11-22-2004, 12:24 AM
His backpedaling to avoid the backhand is the funniest thing on ATP tour :lol:

BlackSilver
11-22-2004, 02:36 AM
Well, he may be a little ambitious, but he is a great player that can challenge anyone in the world when is playing at his best, especially on clay courts

But just a little. His goals this year probably were RG and the Davis Cup that are two of the most important tournaments in the world (and for my the two most importants)

Xin
11-22-2004, 03:07 AM
well, Carlos was thinking about getting back to #1. But many players are better than him at the moment. Yeah, his confident level hasn't been great playing against Roger, Hewitt, Andy, Coria, Andre...His mental is the reason for losing tight matches. And he is getting old. So I don't expect him to do anything big either. But he is a TALENT! He's fun to watch when he plays relaxed. Yes, if he wants to, he will qualify for Shanghai next year because most of the time, he gets what he wants. I think it's totally realistic to say Carlos will stay consistently in the top 8.

Fedex
11-22-2004, 03:20 AM
As I said in another thread, I don't get Moya. He seems to get by with a pretty mediocre year and still somehow to comfortably make the Masters Cup. No one ever talks about him. He doesn't challenge any of the other players. At the US Open he said he didn't expect to win the tournament; and he doesn't even play the French like he expects to ever win again. He's going into his 7th year without a Slam, and when was the last time he made a Slam final?

I used to like Moya, too, but I don't like this "lack-of-intensity" Moya. If he doesn't do something soon, I can't imagine him to continue to float in the Top 8, with the youngsters coming up.

What do you think of Moya?
I see we have plenty of time to vote on this poll ;), and yes, I believe he will. :) He's made it 4 straight years, hasn't he? That's pretty consistant.

Action Jackson
11-22-2004, 03:23 AM
Carlos will be there again, as he will do enough to qualify as long as he is not injured.

liptea
11-22-2004, 04:12 AM
For a player that has had more than his share of injuries, Moya has done very well in his career..and this year. He was probably the most in-form player going into the Australian, which was a complete shame when he had to miss it. He won the Rome Masters after coming back from injury, he was struggling with injury after the US Open, during Davis Cup, and most of the end of the year. I remember hearing that Moya has one of the best quarterfinal success rates on the tour, being pretty consistent.

Considering all that, hasn't he accomplished just as much in Umag as Lleyton Hewitt during the Olympics? He had streaky moments, just like Andre Agassi in the summer. He did better on grass than all the Americans on clay, pretty good for a "clay court specialist." I'd hardly say that he choked more than Guillermo Coria in the finals of Roland Garros.

He's 28 and should be in the twilight of his career. Instead, he's winning Rome, reaching big finals, taking sets off Roger Federer and Lleyton Hewitt, doing well at Wimbledon, and going to the Davis Cup final. I'd hardly doubt the results of a Grand Slam champion, former world number one, and a player that has been unfortunately been too injured to be consistent enough to always satisfy his potential. Moya's always flown under the radar.

novanora
11-22-2004, 04:21 AM
As I said in another thread, I don't get Moya. He seems to get by with a pretty mediocre year and still somehow to comfortably make the Masters Cup. No one ever talks about him. He doesn't challenge any of the other players. At the US Open he said he didn't expect to win the tournament; and he doesn't even play the French like he expects to ever win again. He's going into his 7th year without a Slam, and when was the last time he made a Slam final?

He has a quite good first half year, won Chennai, Acapulco, 2 titles quickly, and got the finalists of BSAS and Sydney. Then he won Rome, a TMS, and also enter Qualifinal of another 3 TMS. You call this is a mediocre year? I can see some reasons, maybe you think he didn't give a enough good performance in big GS, and also coz his injuries, the next half year is not his acting stage. But if Carlos has already earned enough points to go Houston, he deserves that, no matter how he plays in some big tournaments. Rare one can keep his fit state in every big tourney of the whole season.
I can understand people don't talk much about his MC. Carlos suffers his old injuries, and also he has DC final to prepare, so of course people won't expect he will win TMC. And also not like Coria, Carlos hasn't so many "topics" to talk about.
I believe he will stay TMC next year, if he can be free of injury, even can do the good job. Good luck and go, carlos!

sparkus8
11-22-2004, 04:55 AM
I dont know whay people are bagging Moya, he had a pretty good year this year. He has been a little disappointing since the Olympics, but there were a few players in that boat as well.

I would not be surprised to see Moya at next years Masters Cup because he is competitive on all surfaces and will be able to accumulate a lot of points because of this.

Lynne
11-22-2004, 05:02 AM
I think we'll still see him in MC next year if no injuries bother him.

nando
11-22-2004, 05:08 AM
As much as I like Moya, I think he has lost his motivation to win slams and reach for higher goals. I agree that the belief is not there. I think he needs to change coaches to be honest. Start with a fresh perspective.

liptea
11-22-2004, 05:10 AM
I dont know whay people are bagging Moya, he had a pretty good year this year. He has been a little disappointing since the Olympics, but there were a few players in that boat as well.



We like to call that injuries. ;)

Leena
11-22-2004, 05:13 AM
If healthy, I think Carlos will make it again. He's quite good.

Daniel
11-22-2004, 05:37 AM
yes