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Andy Roddick is not one of the 3 best players in the world!

makro120
11-20-2004, 11:04 PM
That should be a fact today, anyone disagrees?

I would also have Agassi ahead of Andy after giving Fed a match and winning against Andy in Cincinatti.

tennischick
11-20-2004, 11:07 PM
you won't find me disagreeing with you! :lol: ;)

Tennis Fool
11-20-2004, 11:16 PM
Like I said in another thread, true top 5 (without injuries, playing their best):

1. Fed
[big gap]
2. Potato
3. Coria
4. Duck
5. Hippo (If only he'd get over his Duck problem! Maybe it's just a 3-set thing :o)

makro120
11-20-2004, 11:20 PM
1.Fed
2.Hippo
3.bald grandpa
4.Potato
5.Duck
6Tim

Without including clay, becasue that would complicate things alot.

Tennis Fool
11-20-2004, 11:27 PM
I would put Agassi no. 6, and Ferrero no. 7, and Tim no. 8.

Moya...I just don't get him. He's almost a nonentity but does well enough each year to get into MC...

Billabong
11-20-2004, 11:28 PM
:lol:

makro120
11-20-2004, 11:46 PM
Agassi has proofed to be better than Hewitt and Roddick when it matters. Ofcourse he is an old guy so he missed wimbledon and many months of play, also he does not play as many tournaments as Hewitt and Roddick. But he owned them both in Cincinatti and he gave Federer a match twice this year, while Roddick and Hewitt constantly have been owned this year by Fed.

Safin has not only given Fed a match, he also beat Roddick in that classic 5 set match in AO, beat Agassi in the semi finals and won 2 master series (is 2nd to Fed here). So for me Safin obviously is the 2nd best player in the world, specialy when he is playing at his very best.

1.Fed
2.Hippo
3.bald grandpa
4.Potato
5.Duck
6.Henman

Potato I put ahead of duck after roasting him today infront of Roddick's home audiance and all! 20 straight points is just humiliating, I can't remember this ever happening in a tennis match before! Henman should be nr6 for constantly beeing good in all surfaces and beeing at a really good level in all grand slams.

bad gambler
11-20-2004, 11:48 PM
i think rodduck would still be up there but really some should tell him there is more to tennis than a bloody serve - whay doesn;t he mix his game up? i.e. serve volley more, take the pace fo his grounstrokes etc

get a new coach andy

naiwen
11-20-2004, 11:49 PM
I think the 3 best players in the world are still Hewitt, Safin and Roddick.
JesusFed is not playing tennis in this human world. :wavey:

bad gambler
11-20-2004, 11:56 PM
yes federer is not counted - some one should check his DNA as he is definitely not from earth!!!

Fedex
11-20-2004, 11:58 PM
He's not one of the best 4. Federer, Agassi, Safin, and Hewitt are.

Tennis Fool
11-21-2004, 12:03 AM
My favorite Tangerinus line of all-time:

"Marat can fall back on his big dick if his 'talent' fails to manifest itself" :haha:

tangerine_dream
11-21-2004, 12:09 AM
That should be a fact today, anyone disagrees?

Actually, the true fact is that Andy IS the confirmed No. 2 player for 2004 and he has deservedly earned his spot there whether you like it or not. :)

Boy, these Roddick-haters can't get any more desperate these days.

Iheartandy&roger
11-21-2004, 12:14 AM
Ok I am tired of people always having to put down Andy, :rolleyes: there's a lot of us who don't bitch and complain about the players we don't like and we think suck and i'm sure we won't start , yeah I know Andy is immature and silly on the court a lot and it even gets on us Andy fans' nerves but aside from that he is a talented player and he is young so he will GROW UP and there's lots of other athletes that are silly and stupid so maybe we could tone down on Andy a little bit. :wavey:I know Tangy it must make them feel more secure or something with their fav.player to cut up Andy

Leena
11-21-2004, 12:35 AM
i think rodduck would still be up there but really some should tell him there is more to tennis than a bloody serve - whay doesn;t he mix his game up? i.e. serve volley more, take the pace fo his grounstrokes etc

get a new coach andy
I'm sure he tries to, but he's just not as talented in those areas as many other players.

But, the serve is an important shot too... and most people think that it's just some shot that you don't work on, and is all raw talent and luck. It's absolutely not. But, that's why people hate him.

jtipson
11-21-2004, 12:39 AM
Actually, the true fact is that Andy IS the confirmed No. 2 player for 2004 and he has deservedly earned his spot there whether you like it or not. :)

...not if Hewitt manages the win tomorrow...

tangerine_dream
11-21-2004, 12:48 AM
If Hewitt wins tomorrow, then he will deserve the No. 2 ranking as much as Andy will deserve it if Hewitt does not win.

jtipson
11-21-2004, 12:52 AM
Sure - not arguing with the deserving bit, just the "true fact...confirmed No. 2 player for 2004" part ;)

MisterQ
11-21-2004, 01:30 AM
Roddick's game may not be aesthetically pleasing or technically flawless, but it has been awfully effective recently. He has been one of the top two players for well over a year.

If everyone were healthy and playing the same number of events (a big "if"), I might put Andy behind Federer, Safin, and Agassi. and maybe Hewitt... But that's not too big a drop in ranking... ;)

MisterQ
11-21-2004, 01:36 AM
but having just said that...

with the reemergence of a healthy and confident Hewitt and Safin, I wouldn't be surprised to see Roddick fall out of the top 3 sometime next year.

Ferrero Forever
11-21-2004, 05:54 AM
Federer is definetly the best, then Ferrero and then i think it's out of roddick or hewitt, because hewitt has a good all round game, but look how many matches roddick has won, regardless of the fact that his serve is what wins him so many matches.

bad gambler
11-21-2004, 06:01 AM
Federer is definetly the best, then Ferrero and then i think it's out of roddick or hewitt, because hewitt has a good all round game, but look how many matches roddick has won, regardless of the fact that his serve is what wins him so many matches.

yes ferrero is clearly the 2nd best player in the world...actually thinking about it he probably is the best....if not for his injury he would have beaten federer as well in the USO

bad gambler
11-21-2004, 06:03 AM
I'm sure he tries to, but he's just not as talented in those areas as many other players.

But, the serve is an important shot too... and most people think that it's just some shot that you don't work on, and is all raw talent and luck. It's absolutely not. But, that's why people hate him.


i think that's a poor excuse...coz his not talented in enough....talent has nothing to do with it...the way to improve your volleying, groundstrokes is in the practice courts

all it needs is for him to work harder on ALL facets of the game and he could truly challenge federer

Ferrero Forever
11-21-2004, 06:05 AM
yes ferrero is clearly the 2nd best player in the world...actually thinking about it he probably is the best....if not for his injury he would have beaten federer as well in the USO

as you know i'm a big ferrero fan, but roger is just too good, and i'm not gonna kid myself and say that ferrero is the best. I think ferrero could beat federer, but i don't think he'll be as good as federer

bad gambler
11-21-2004, 06:07 AM
as you know i'm a big ferrero fan, but roger is just too good, and i'm not gonna kid myself and say that ferrero is the best. I think ferrero could beat federer, but i don't think he'll be as good as federer


sorry u missed my sarcasm...there is NO way that ferrero is in the same league as safin, hewitt and rodduck

it's great that u like ferrero a lot, and hope for your sake he is fit for the 2005 year :)

Ferrero Forever
11-21-2004, 06:10 AM
oops, i'm dumb, i thought u were serious, but i think ferrero is in the same league, but only when he is fit, he is a former number 1 after all

Chloe le Bopper
11-21-2004, 06:12 AM
A comment on the Ferrero talk -

I've been a fan of his since I started posting on messageboards, yet I still rate him lower than I do Coria, not to mention Agassi, Federer, and Safin, when talking about "raw" talent.

Just my opinion ;)

bad gambler
11-21-2004, 06:12 AM
oops, i'm dumb, i thought u were serious, but i think ferrero is in the same league, but only when he is fit, he is a former number 1 after all


though i have to admit it would be great to see ferrero play a full year in 2005 fully fit as well....more competition of quality players makes it much better for viewing

any news on how he's tracking for Aus open ?

Ferrero Forever
11-21-2004, 06:15 AM
he's probably gonna need time to get back into the swing of things, but i;m not expecting a 1st or 2nd round loss though, i just hope he gets through the davis cup match without being injured

bad gambler
11-21-2004, 06:17 AM
i think it might be better if he doesn't play singles on the opening day....spain could pick their juniors and still roll fish and rodduck on clay

Chloe le Bopper
11-21-2004, 06:19 AM
i think it might be better if he doesn't play singles on the opening day....spain could pick their juniors and still roll fish and rodduck on clay
I disagree. With the team they have, it makes the most sense to keep Robredo and Nadal rested. That way, in the odd chance that they are needed on day 3 (unlikely that both will be, but you never know) they will not be playing their third day in a row.

Ferrero Forever
11-21-2004, 06:20 AM
thats true

bad gambler
11-21-2004, 06:21 AM
I disagree. With the team they have, it makes the most sense to keep Robredo and Nadal rested. That way, in the odd chance that they are needed on day 3 (unlikely that both will be, but you never know) they will not be playing their third day in a row.


yes sorry i forgot that nadal and robredo were the doubles pairing...fair point

Ferrero Forever
11-21-2004, 06:23 AM
spain would still win though, if they didn't have nadal or robredo couldn't they put lopez in instead?

bad gambler
11-21-2004, 06:24 AM
they could play mantilla or costa and still win

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 06:27 AM
they could play mantilla or costa and still win

Thief you stole my line. :)

Ferrero Forever
11-21-2004, 06:29 AM
they could play almost anyone and still win

^Sue^
11-21-2004, 06:49 AM
GUys,i think the top 5 list should be
1. Rogi
2.Bald Grandpa
3.Duckling
4.squirrrel
5.moustache

Daniel
11-21-2004, 07:14 AM
:lol:

dukeblue5
11-21-2004, 07:26 AM
Jeez people, it was one match. He clearly did not have a good day but that doesn't mean he couldn't have beaten Hewitt on a good day. I still think Roddick is better than Hewitt is.

I think Roddick, Safin, Agassi and Hewitt follow Federer as the top 5 players in the ATP.

sparkus8
11-21-2004, 08:55 AM
Until Roddick develops a better BH and Volley he will always struggle against the top echelon of players. His power game allows him to dominate 95% of the players on tour, but when he comes up against those top few who can take him out of his comfort zone he doesn't really have another game plan that is successful enough to depend on.

We saw that today against Hewitt. Roddick was not going very well when trying to rally with Hewitt so he tried to get to the net more. I commend Andy for having the intelligence to recognise he needed to change his gameplan as many players in that situation are either too stubborn and/or stupid to do that, but the problem was that as of now he is not a great player at the net.

According to the rankings he is the 2nd best player in the world, but right now I think Hewitt, Safin and Agassi are better tennis players than him. If he could improve is BH and volley though he would be a very scary proposition.

I'm pretty sure Andy is a smart enough guy to realise that he needs to work on those parts of his game, so maybe come Aus Open time we will see a new and improved Roddick vying for the title(Hopefully he doesn't beat Hewitt though:))

Aphex
11-21-2004, 09:08 AM
So how come some of you guys are so sure Safin is better than Roddick? The Duck won their latest two meetings, albeit they were very close, all tie break sets. I think the top 5 list as it will be after the TMC final is correct. 1. Federer, 2. nobody, 3. nobody, 4. Hewitt, 5. Roddick :p :wavey:

Deejay
11-21-2004, 10:24 AM
If you take each player on talent alone, it is obvious that Fed, Safin, Agassi and Roddick are the best players. Also, based on raw talent, Hewitt would be no where near the top as there are much more talented players out there than him but no one with his attitude/mentality - which he makes up for. People slag Roddick off, but he is currently and deservedly ranked 2nd in the world and with a solid and improving back hand and his volleys to come good with more work - Roddick, apart from Federer will be the leading force in tennis for years to come...

bad gambler
11-21-2004, 10:30 AM
I'm pretty sure Andy is a smart enough guy to realise that he needs to work on those parts of his game, so maybe come Aus Open time we will see a new and improved Roddick vying for the title(Hopefully he doesn't beat Hewitt though:))

well it will be interesting to see if he actually does work on those areas....i still can't fathem why he doesn't serve volley more...ok he might not be the greatest volleyer but when you serve down 210km+ thunderbolts consistently, you don't have to be a pat rafter or tim henman to put those returns away at the net on regular basis!

End of the day it comes down to confidence i guess....a few passing shots shouldn't deter him from making a move to the net on the back of his serves

Bilbo
11-21-2004, 10:35 AM
I've always said Roddick is not top3. Only his serve holds him there but when the ball is in play he sucks against the best players.

ae wowww
11-21-2004, 10:39 AM
I think regardless of his ranking, he remains a top 3 player easily. Coria, somehow is there instead but Andy has had a great year, which he should be proud of-- admittedly Coria and Roddick have only made 1 GS Final each, but the way in which Andy has done it (underdog at Wimby) against Coria's shocker loss, I would still view Andy as top 3.

bandabou
11-21-2004, 11:31 AM
Itīs just simple....if Roddick canīt outserve you and if you can withstand those power forehands, Roddick most of the time is cooked.

I knew from the Coria match that Roddick was gonna be in trouble against hewitt. NO WAY should Coria have stayed that close against Andy on a hardcourt.

ae wowww
11-21-2004, 11:50 AM
Just 3 posts from Bandabou so far ---> but already I can tell he/she is going to be an MTF demon :D Welcome...

Deco
11-21-2004, 11:50 AM
I think the 3 best players are the top 3 of the rankinglist. Maybe they don't play the best, if you look to errors and stuff. But I think that a player has to be good if he's high at the list. Otherwise you don't come that high

sparkus8
11-21-2004, 11:51 AM
well it will be interesting to see if he actually does work on those areas....i still can't fathem why he doesn't serve volley more...ok he might not be the greatest volleyer but when you serve down 210km+ thunderbolts consistently, you don't have to be a pat rafter or tim henman to put those returns away at the net on regular basis!

End of the day it comes down to confidence i guess....a few passing shots shouldn't deter him from making a move to the net on the back of his serves

I think he doesn't serve and volley because most the time he doesn't need to. When he gets his first serve in it is usually unreturned or produces a short return which he can easily put away with his big FH. His weaknesses have been borne out of the effectiveness of those two shots. Because he has been able to beat guys into submission with his serve and FH he has never really had to worry about his BH or net game.

As I have stated previously the only time he gets found out is against the top players who can return his serve with some consistency. Players who can do this instantly take away one of his weapons and when you only have two weapons in your arsenal that makes it a tough fight to win.

There have been some encouraging signs though. Against Henman his BH was sensational so it shows he is capable of playing that shot although it is still very erratic. And against Hewitt he knew he had to get to the net, now it is just a matter of working on his technique when he gets there.

If he can get those two parts of his game to a respactable standard he will be very tough to beat, if not he will always be a sitting 'duck' (couldn't help the pun :)) for the likes of Federer, Hewitt and Agassi.

*Ljubica*
11-21-2004, 11:52 AM
[QUOTE=bandabou]Itīs just simple....if Roddick canīt outserve you and if you can withstand those power forehands, Roddick most of the time is cooked./QUOTE]

I agree. Roddick has a great power serve - no one can deny that - but there is more to a successful tennis player than just one shot. Against a great returner such as Hewitt, he is always going to have problems, and as the other players learn how to counteract his power (just like the women against the Williams' sisters on the WTA Tour), he will have less and less success I feel. Of course other players like Safin have great serves too, but they have a lot more variety in their game, and if Plan A doesn't work they usually seem to know how to swicth to Plan B. Roddick doesn't have much of a Plan B at the moment - he just hits harder and harder and if that doesn't work - he loses! In my opinion, Hewitt, Safin and Federer are much better all round players than he is, and I doubt he will still be in the Top 3 in 2005.

propi
11-21-2004, 12:00 PM
Well I've always considered Andy worse than Federer and (healthy) Ferrero for sure, and probably than Hewitt and Safin as well.
What surprises me is the lack of credit given to Ferrero... he's called a claycourter and yet he manages to reach semis in Aus Open, final in USO and winning an indoor TMS... however all those players that are so talented (but Fedex) can't even win on clay as much as Ferrero does on hard or grass.
I guess the reason is double standard

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 12:07 PM
Somehow I see if Roddick doesn't consisently improve his backhand and volleys, plus using some different tactics, when the hit it hard tactic doesn't work he will end up like Jim Courier someone who had plenty of power and fitness had a great forehand, but he got worked out by guys like Rosset and Bruguera, then the other players handled his power and was able to exploit his major weaknesses, for a while he was good, but after his 2,5 years at the top, he wasn't the same and if Roddick doesn't add some more to his game, he could easily go down that path.

makro120
11-21-2004, 12:10 PM
Nalbandian and Ferrero could challenge Roddick next year, but they are pretty much owned by Roddick so far. Hewitt, Safin, Agassi all have challenged and won against Roddick in important matches this year therefor I have them ahead of him. Roddick is nr2 in the world but remember that he plays many more tournaments than Agassi (also Agassi is injured alot) and remember that Hewitt had bad luck facing Federer in early rounds in grand slams, otherwise Hewitt would be nr2 obviously! I have Safin ahead of roddick because when he plays his very best he can truly challenge Federer.

hitchhiker
11-21-2004, 12:22 PM
some people are being unfair
for example saying agassi is better then roddick based on fact that agassi beat roddick in a 3rd set tiebreak but then also claiming safin is better then roddick even though roddick has beaten him last 3 times they play.

i dont think there is much to seperate safin, hewitt and roddick.
hewitt beat safin in one event in straight sets but how come no one say hewitt is better then safin? guess what, next time they play indoor and safin win in straight sets

yes hewitt beat roddick this time but i dont think its fair to say hewitt is better then roddick on this one match until he beats him consistently.

you can add agassi as well. not much to seperate roddick, safin, hewitt and agassi but federer right now i have to admit is better then them all.

Crazy_Fool
11-21-2004, 12:36 PM
Roddick is very average from the baseline, I'm not trying to say his game is all serve, but when you get a good returner like Federer, Hewitt or even Henman it becomes much more difficult for him, and sometimes he does look average.

RPH
11-21-2004, 12:38 PM
I don't think Roddick's is one of the 3 best players in the world either :)

IMO Its
#1 Federer
#2 Safin
#3 Agassi

Roddick around #5 or #6 with the likes of Ferrero and Henman :)

:topic: but Bandabou :wavey: who do you support in mens tennis ;)

Raquel
11-21-2004, 12:43 PM
If you take each player on talent alone, it is obvious that Fed, Safin, Agassi and Roddick are the best players. Also, based on raw talent, Hewitt would be no where near the top as there are much more talented players out there than him but no one with his attitude/mentality - which he makes up for.
Having a great attitude and a never say die mentality is a great asset but it's not going to be enough to get you where Lleyton is. It's not attitude and mentality that hits great passing shots and winners from the baseline - it's talent.

propi
11-21-2004, 01:49 PM
Nalbandian and Ferrero could challenge Roddick next year, but they are pretty much owned by Roddick so far.

yep, Andy leads Ferrero 1-0 that's what I call total domination, plain and simple :p

Whistleway
11-21-2004, 01:56 PM
ahh.. try this...
Andy Roddick's efforts to remake himself as a viable threat to Roger Federer might well have cost him a chance to face Federer today.
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In Lleyton Hewitt, Roddick picked the wrong guy to work on his more multi-faceted game against, and he had to take a fearsome beating on his "home" court at Westside Tennis Club because of it. Hewitt was on. Roddick was way off, particularly with the new stuff, and things quickly spiraled downward for him.

"Andy will be the first to tell you -- he butchered some volleys," his coach, Brad Gilbert, said. "And many of his approaches weren't good enough, not the way Lleyton was playing. This can happen against a player like Lleyton."

What happened was 6-3, 6-2 Hewitt in what felt like about 20 minutes (It was actually 58). It's fortunate the Masters Cup semifinals weren't best-of-five-sets, as some of us had been expecting. Instead of losing the last 20 points, as Roddick did, he might have finished 0-for-44.

"Not a lot felt right today," he said. "I definitely lost my rhythm."

The brutal volleying? Gilbert had called it -- Roddick didn't mince words.

"I just stoned them," he said. "It's pretty simple. That was just bad."

But that's OK. In the grand scheme of things, it really is the thought that counts and, as Roddick pointed out, "I'm going to be around this game for a long time."

And doggedly chasing the No. 1 ranking every defiant step of the way. If you think Roddick's content with being No. 2 -- or No. 3, should Hewitt somehow break through against Roger the trouble dodger today -- you don't know this kid's mind at all.

Of the top four blokes in the world, each of whom fought through to Saturday's semis, the 22-year-old American still has the most upside potential, the most room for growing his game. Hewitt is what he is, which is to say an extraordinarily tenacious talent in a most unprepossessing package, while it's hard to fathom Federer improving on the near perfection he has shown in 2004.

And Safin, for all his brilliant patches and the epic tiebreaker defeat against Federer, he must prove he can keep his head in the game for extended stretches before he's to be judged a threat to any of the aforementioned.

But, if Roddick can keep moving forward -- literally toward the net and figuratively in his more nuanced, analytical approach -- he will close the gap between himself and Federer. Can he close it all the the way? It's too early to predict that because, for the moment, a chasm separates the two of them and Federer is hardly showing weakness. He's 8-1 vs. Roddick and most of the eight have been won convincingly.

If Roddick had stubbornly chosen to keep dancing with what brought him this far, he could have hung around the top five for the rest of his career and made millions of dollars. But he was never going to be No. 1 again, unless Federer would be overcome by ennui.

"Andy volleyed well this week, he really did," Gilbert said. "We were very encouraged. I'm proud of him for staying with it in a tournament like this one. But he was just a little off his game against Lleyton, and Lleyton made him pay, particularly by how he kept the ball low over the net.

"Andy just didn't return well. And he didn't move that well, either."

Amazingly, Hewitt missed more than half his first serves, yet Roddick gave himself no chances to break. Roddick seemingly served much better, saving three early break points with his trademark shot -- the take-that ace -- but Hewitt wound up breaking him three times.

The message Roddick can't live by the strength of his serving superiority alone could not have been hammered home any louder.

What he experienced Saturday wasn't fun. After "taking a lot of steps in the right direction" during his unblemished round-robin run, he seemingly tumbled backward all the way to square one. But nothing happened to convince him there's not great value in staying the course.

"How do shooters get better? They keep shooting," Roddick said. "It's something I have to continue to do. The level (of his rivals) just keeps rising, getting better and better. I think I have to focus on what I can improve on. I still need to commit to it.

"Even though I volleyed like a ... I was thinking of a lot of bad words there ... through the first three matches it was about as well as I've done it. So I'm going to try to look at that. I'm just going to remain in denial about today."

As he should.

from- http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/sports/ten/2911744

mitalidas
11-21-2004, 01:59 PM
Jeez people, it was one match. He clearly did not have a good day but that doesn't mean he couldn't have beaten Hewitt on a good day. .

the record speaks for itself --- 4/1
the evidence is that hewitt is 4 times as likely to beat him as hewitt is likely to be beaten

mitalidas
11-21-2004, 02:00 PM
At least we have unanimity that Rogi is unquestionably #1!!!!

Raquel
11-21-2004, 02:12 PM
That article seems to suggest that Andy has decided to volley more to expand his game to challenge Roger. What I don't understand is why he would choose one of the biggest events of the year - and the last ATP event of the year - to suddenly change strategy. That style of play has not got him this far so why change for this match and not play with the style that got him this far and work on his volleys in the off season which is coming up.

Or could it be that Lleyton was playing too well in the first set and Andy then started charging the net in desperation rather than out of pre-planned tactics? That's what it looked like to me.

Yashirobai
11-21-2004, 02:50 PM
I would put Agassi no. 6, and Ferrero no. 7, and Tim no. 8.

Moya...I just don't get him. He's almost a nonentity but does well enough each year to get into MC...


Moya... I think he is always underrated - I underrate him as well... that's probably because he always gets to the TMC after doing a pretty bad season since Roland Garros, and it just looks impossible that a player with no backhand (almost) can be one of the top 8 in the world... but he is, definetly.

Carito_90
11-21-2004, 06:04 PM
Roddick doesn't have much of a Plan B at the moment - he just hits harder and harder and if that doesn't work - he loses! In my opinion, Hewitt, Safin and Federer are much better all round players than he is, and I doubt he will still be in the Top 3 in 2005.


Certainly someone hasn't been watching Andy's matches at the TMC :)

dukeblue5
11-21-2004, 06:13 PM
the record speaks for itself --- 4/1
the evidence is that hewitt is 4 times as likely to beat him as hewitt is likely to be beaten

Not really. 3 of those losses came more than 3 years ago, I doubt that's enough evidence. :o

Horatio Caine
11-21-2004, 07:28 PM
Simple answer? No he isn't a permanent top-3 player, but he is a top 3 player in that he can apear back in the top 3 again if he leaves it. Safin has raised the bar at the top level and Roddick will find it hard to stay in the top 3 constantly now. Plus, he still has problems with his nemesis players like Nalbandian and Henman. I see Nalbandian challenging for top 3 next year if he remains fit. Any of the players between 2 and 4 currently will be switching positions next year i feel - there is no real no. 2 player at the moment.

Coria won't make top 3 regularly anymore, maybe not even top 5 again...and neither will Tim I don't think either...or Baldy.

Fedex
11-21-2004, 09:28 PM
Certainly someone hasn't been watching Andy's matches at the TMC :)
But then again, why would she want to? :)

Mikas
11-21-2004, 09:30 PM
I think the 3 best players in the world are still Hewitt, Safin and Roddick.
JesusFed is not playing tennis in this human world. :wavey:
:yeah: Yeah...Federer is from another planet:D
Like a portuguese jornalist said yesterday: "The only one that can defeat Federer is "the real" Safin...but that Safin is still waiting for the next flight to houston!"

Winston's Human
11-22-2004, 02:51 AM
The rankings say:
(1) Federer
(2) Roddick
(3) Hewitt
(4) Safin

Roddick and Hewitt within a few points of each other.

In 2004:
Roddick and Hewitt split two matches. Roddick won three matches against Safin versus one defeat to Safin.

In sum, Federer is #1, and Roddick and Hewitt are in a virtual tie for #2.

tennischick
11-22-2004, 02:55 AM
That article seems to suggest that Andy has decided to volley more to expand his game to challenge Roger. What I don't understand is why he would choose one of the biggest events of the year - and the last ATP event of the year - to suddenly change strategy. .
i agree. and not only that -- his volleys were actualy even WORSE than usual. stupid strategy IMO. he looked like an idiot out there. he hadn't a clue what to do other then to bash the ball.

watch him drop out of the Top 10 next year :devil:

Bubble
11-22-2004, 03:09 AM
:yeah: Yeah...Federer is from another planet:D
Like a portuguese jornalist said yesterday: "The only one that can defeat Federer is "the real" Safin...but that Safin is still waiting for the next flight to houston!"


"the real" safin did appear briefly for the 1st 4-5 games in the 2nd set at yesterday's semi-final. :o :p
We have to be very patient for "the real" safin to appear.
Let's hope Marat's coach Peter Lundgren can do something about this for 2005. ;)

nate_my_love
12-16-2004, 10:29 PM
who is potato?

David Kenzie
12-16-2004, 10:58 PM
who is potato?
I don't understand why everyone calls him that but Mr Potato is Lleyton Hewitt ;) Funny nickname anyway

Leena
12-17-2004, 12:49 AM
I don't understand why everyone calls him that but Mr Potato is Lleyton Hewitt ;) Funny nickname anyway
Just a nickname one of the childish posters here (TheBoiledEgg) made up, and the clones follow.

BAMJ6
12-17-2004, 01:05 AM
1 The Fed

And a 4 way tie for number 2 in the world IMO
Bald Pappy
Hewitt
Roddick
Safin

WyveN
12-17-2004, 01:09 AM
was this thread made after his loss to Hewitt?
That doesn't mean his not one of the best 3 players in the world on fast surfaces.

ATPTOUR
12-29-2004, 07:01 AM
Roddick is very average from the baseline, I'm not trying to say his game is all serve, but when you get a good returner like Federer, Hewitt or even Henman it becomes much more difficult for him, and sometimes he does look average.

Very good post.

Rex
12-29-2004, 10:09 AM
top 3 in my opinion
-fed
-hippo
-potato

i say this because in another thread i started i asked who would be number one if there was no federer- everyone said safin or hewitt- safin can beat the duck and so can hewitt

Fedex
12-29-2004, 10:34 AM
i say this because in another thread i started i asked who would be number one if there was no federer- everyone said safin or hewitt- safin can beat the duck and so can hewitt
Yes, both can certainly beat Roddick in individual matches, but that does not equal a number 2 ranking.

*SKYE*
12-29-2004, 10:43 AM
well he's close to it.

MissFairy
12-29-2004, 12:50 PM
i dont think that him not being in the top three should be a fact at all, what IS a cmofirmed fact hes in the top 2 (okay granted, along way away from one) but still top 2, which is damn good and hes been there for over a year now...so isnt that proof?
i think though roddick hewitt and safin are all pretty equal, although lets not mention the TMC semi drubbing of andy handed out by hewitt, this is gonna be tough to call in the coming season methinks....as for number one, we dont really need to even go there at the moment :)