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Roger beats Safin!!! 6-3, 7-6 (20-18)

Mrs. B
11-20-2004, 09:00 PM
:banana:

bettywps
11-20-2004, 09:01 PM
:bounce: :woohoo: :bigclap:

Roger-No.1
11-20-2004, 09:01 PM
Go Roger!

Jorge
11-20-2004, 09:01 PM
incredible match, awesome tiebreak
Safin :bowdown:
Roger :worship:

Good Luck Tomorrow, Roger!

Neely
11-20-2004, 09:02 PM
incredible match! :eek: :woohoo:


and how sad for Marat that he framed his 2nd serve kicker at this deciding moment :sad: :shrug:

Good to see that Marat is back playing like that, he really challenged Federer and Roger should be happy and better not think about what would have happend if Safin scraped out this 2nd set tiebreak.

jazz_girl
11-20-2004, 09:02 PM
OMFG!!!! What a tie break!!!! I wanted Marat to win this, but congratulations to both of them, they played an amazing match!!!! :worship: :worship:

TheBoiledEgg
11-20-2004, 09:03 PM
Marat :( :( :sad:
he had his chances in TB but fluffed them :(

but what a TB :bowdown:
simply stunning :D :)

go Roger tomorrow :) :yeah:

Mrs. B
11-20-2004, 09:03 PM
bad line calls. and Jim Mac was talking on Eurosport! :eek:

Hantuchov
11-20-2004, 09:03 PM
What an awesome match!

I didnt know who to cheer for :confused: :(
I was supporting Marat at first, but I was supporting Marat because I wanted a 3rd set, but after that bad line call I started to support Roger and then Roger got an ace (another bad line call :shout: ) and I wanted Marat to win, but Roger won and that's great! :yeah: :D

Now win the whole thing, allez! :bounce:

PS.: Why does Miroslava say "Allez" if Roger says "C'mon"? :lol: :p

hitchhiker
11-20-2004, 09:03 PM
What a match, shame Federer had to win it twice due to horrible umpiring though.

Neely
11-20-2004, 09:03 PM
OMFG!!!! What a tie break!!!! I wanted Marat to win this, but congratulations to both of them, they played an amazing match!!!! :worship: :worship:
indeed, today's matches were really worth watching :)

lina_seta
11-20-2004, 09:04 PM
OF COURSEEE FEDERER!!!!!! :worship:

AND yes the tiebreak should have ended somewhere in 9th BP, matchpoint for Federer, cuz safin BALL FELT OUT.. and the STUPID BLIND linewatcher DIDNT CALL IT!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I KNOW CUZ I HAVE IT TAPED!!! and was COMPUTER CHECKED! that ball was OUT :mad: :mad:

but never mind now.. rogi the BEST WOONNN WOOHOOO :D
theyre forgiven.... BUT if it had been any dif...

Vass
11-20-2004, 09:04 PM
I have no other words but FUCK! That was close.

Super congrat's to Roger. He won twice. SUPER CONGRATS TO MARAT! He gave him a super challenge. We all know wher he stands now. We all know.

yanchr
11-20-2004, 09:05 PM
I have nothing in my mind now. Let me calm down to make some sensible thoughts...
Just :worship::worship::worship::worship: to Roger
and also to Marat

Neely
11-20-2004, 09:05 PM
What a match, shame Federer had to win it twice due to horrible umpiring though.
lol, I think more that the Marat stayed in due to a mistake as the ball landed just out in Federer's backhand corner on match point, but Ullrich saw it good.

lina_seta
11-20-2004, 09:05 PM
if it had been fair the tiebreak would have been MUCH MUUCCCCHHH shorter...
awwww my heart is damaged irriversibly!

jazz_girl
11-20-2004, 09:06 PM
indeed, today's matches were really worth watching :)
Totally! :yeah:
And the crowd was great too. We usually complain about the US crowd, but in this tournament they were great :)

Mrs. B
11-20-2004, 09:07 PM
great to see them embracing each other after the match. :angel:

Lundgren has been eating too much. :lol:

dylan24
11-20-2004, 09:07 PM
cmon roger rest up
and take care of hewitt sunday

maratski
11-20-2004, 09:07 PM
Congrats to Roger on a fantastic win. Marat fought hard, had some chances and it makes me sad he didn't take them, but I'm satisfied overall.

Looking forward to next season!

Raquel
11-20-2004, 09:08 PM
Congrats Roger!! :D :bounce: One of the best matches of the year :)

Amazing tiebreak :worship:

WyveN
11-20-2004, 09:08 PM
Great match but some very doubtful line calls throughout the match. Credit to Federer, I think almost every other player would blow a fuse with such a line call on match point but amazingly Federer didnt even question it.

Macs interview was :haha:

Neely
11-20-2004, 09:08 PM
and the STUPID BLIND linewatcher DIDNT CALL IT!!!!
be glad that Federer finally won it... and no, it wasn't a horrible mistake, maybe you have no idea how hard it is to judge whether balls are out just one inch or if the ball just barely touched the line to be in at this speed these two were playing.

lina_seta
11-20-2004, 09:08 PM
HEHEH and there was THIS FAN WAR!!!!
after marat's fans shouted roger's shouted back... everyone waving flags and posters respectively

Mrs. B
11-20-2004, 09:09 PM
hope you folks have this on tape. defitnitely one of the best tiebreaks played! :yeah:

sol
11-20-2004, 09:09 PM
Well done, Roger! :yeah: Congrats!
What a TB? OMG!

:awww: Marat! ....

Mrs. B
11-20-2004, 09:10 PM
Great match but some very doubtful line calls throughout the match. Credit to Federer, I think almost every other player would blow a fuse with such a line call on match point but amazingly Federer didnt even question it.


total class. :worship:

Lady
11-20-2004, 09:10 PM
Ok, firstly GREAT MATCH!

2ndly, have you seen this volley from Roger on the 2nd break point in the 2nd set 1st game? The one that hit the stands when he had an open court? :o I thought he learned not to hit those volleys anymore! :o


3rdly, line calls :o How many mistakes can you make? :o

While watching Marat on those set points I never had a feeling that he's gonna win it. Just didn't have in him unfortunately. Some of those set points were on his raquet, and Marat :sad:

Roger deserved it, no doubt. And what a great feeling to see him expressing his emotions! :D

andyroxmysox12191
11-20-2004, 09:10 PM
Congrats to Roger and his fans and to Marat and his fans as well :) The TB seemslike it was very entertaining so can't wait to watch it...
Good luck to Roger tomorrow

WyveN
11-20-2004, 09:10 PM
be glad that Federer finally won it... and no, it wasn't a horrible mistake

Of course it was a horrible mistake, it wasnt even close and then she called a Marat ball out which was clearly on the line. One of Federer's serves was way wide and got called good.
These werent even close.

EternalFlame
11-20-2004, 09:11 PM
Marat now surely knows he can challange Roger ! Too bad he couldn't win that set, he would have to confidence to win.
Big congratulations to Roger !
That was a great match !

TheBoiledEgg
11-20-2004, 09:12 PM
near end of tiebreak

Peter Lundgren was smirking
while Mirka was having the shits

perfectly understandable ;) :lol:

lsy
11-20-2004, 09:12 PM
Rogi is awesome. Not just the tennis but the way he kept his composure on that ridiculous inches wide out call on his match point, no complain then got an overrule from umpire on next close linecall on the other match point (though right one) and still no complain. What can you really say but just amazing how he kept his composure :yeah: I would have exploded.

What a tb, props to both player, Safin was down so many time match points but he saved them all too. Amazing

Lady
11-20-2004, 09:14 PM
And the way they kept on losing points on their serves in the tie-break was really entertaining for me! :lol:

Peter Lungren can be proud of his guys! :worship:

Balaenopteramusculus
11-20-2004, 09:14 PM
OMG what a fantastic match.That tie break was unreal I don't know how I survived this match without any serious damages on my health. :eek: The first few games it was a total domination of Rogi,some of his shots were out of this world he had the answer for everything what Marat hit on him.And the second set was better than Psycho or other famous Hitchcock's thrillers.Thank god I taped it. :D

*karen*
11-20-2004, 09:15 PM
Marat :cry:

Get revenge in OZ Marat :devil:

BlackSilver
11-20-2004, 09:15 PM
I can't believe that Safin lost so many chances in the tiebreak........

Federer had more chances I guess, but the better ones in my opnion went to Safin.......

When Federer had those match points or points to get the mini-break, in most cases Safin comes with aces or incredible backhands/forehands

In Safin set points or points to get the mini-break, in most cases he made not forced errors.

Federer still is one order of greatness beyond Safin because in the most important points he pratically don't make any mistakes and defends better of that anyone else in this planet

lucashg
11-20-2004, 09:15 PM
:devil: Did you see that? :worship:

What a match! Rogi began completely dominating everything and I thought that was gonna be it, but right on the first set Safin started to have some easy games and Federer was the one challenged, I was afraid he would break him back, but didn't even had a chance.
:) :p

When Federer was broken in the second, I thought he was gonna tank exactly how it happened against Moya, but he broke it back.
:worship:

And that tie-break, :bowdown: OMG, there were times I thought it was quite impossible for Marat not to win the set or Rogi not to win the match, but they failed (or the other got it) and the tie-break went on. Regarding the bad line calls, that ball out from Safin was way worse since it would give the match earlier for Rogi, while he could still serve and win the point in another manner if that ace wasn't counted. But, they worked to let the match more exciting!

Great match by both! They hit some unbelievable balls there. I guess Federer x Sagin is the match, forget about Roddick! :devil:

Congrats, Rogi! Win the whole thing now! ;)
Great fight, Safin! :p

lsy
11-20-2004, 09:16 PM
be glad that Federer finally won it... and no, it wasn't a horrible mistake, maybe you have no idea how hard it is to judge whether balls are out just one inch or if the ball just barely touched the line to be in at this speed these two were playing.

Neely, honestly if you seriously think this way, I have to say you're very bias. That call was inches out on Rogi's match point and commentators were all over it said that was really ridiculous and all props to Rogi for keeping his cool.

But Safin got his share of it later on. The line calls were ridiculous in this match.

Neely
11-20-2004, 09:16 PM
hope you folks have this on tape. defitnitely one of the best tiebreaks played! :yeah:
a few more points... and it could have broken the record for the longest tiebreak ever ;)

Space Cowgirl
11-20-2004, 09:16 PM
Wow, this should have been the final!
:worship: to both players, they really gave their all. I was neutral as to who won, the main thing is that the Potato should be boiled tomorrow :devil:
Marat, try not to choke next time on the big points!

I enjoyed Mac's stint in the commentary box, he seemed very gracious. I don't really get all the hate here towards him :confused: But then again, maybe he did behave appallingly last year.

maratski
11-20-2004, 09:17 PM
hope you folks have this on tape. defitnitely one of the best tiebreaks played! :yeah:

I do :)

Neely
11-20-2004, 09:17 PM
Neely, honestly if you seriously think this way, I have to say you're very bias. That call was inches out and commentators were all over it said that was really ridiculous and all props to Rogi for keeping his cool.

The line calls were ridiculous in this match.
Yes there were really lots of bad calls, but I'm talking about Roger's match point and this was maybe inches out, but not more than three or four and this is still difficult to see and I wouldn't this was intentionally called wrong against Roger. Not sure what you saw in the replay, though.

Vass
11-20-2004, 09:18 PM
people who know me would expect me to go and jump out of the window now. But i'm the happiest Safin in the world!
I'm proud of him for some reason. Incredibly happy! Incrdibly! :D :D :D :D :D :D :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :)

Marat is great! pround to be his fan! As ever!

bad gambler
11-20-2004, 09:19 PM
class is roger's middle name

superb win by the fed express

Fedex
11-20-2004, 09:20 PM
:eek: :eek: WOW, what a tiebreak!!! :eek: That has to be one of the longest tiebreaks ever

Space Cowgirl
11-20-2004, 09:20 PM
I think this bodes really well for some good rivalries in 2005. Safin, if he keeps his head about him, has the goods to beat Roger, and Hewitt has also come back in a big way. I have a feeling that Roger isn't going to have it all his way next year.

lsy
11-20-2004, 09:21 PM
Yes there were really lots of bad calls, but I'm talking about Roger's match point and this was maybe inches out, but not more than three or four and this is still difficult to see and I wouldn't this was intentionally called wrong against Roger. Not sure what you saw in the replay, though.

I'm sorry but I absolutely disagree. It was inches out and no i'm not saying that was intentionally on Rogi of course, but was at a terribly time when it was on his match point. I think that's no doubt about it. But Marat got his fair share after that, though the match should have ended much earlier on.

Anyway, Rogi won and that's what matters and I'm happy with how he carried himself on court, that's for sure.

FanOfHewitt
11-20-2004, 09:21 PM
Fantastic match!

Federer has tremendous offense and defense.

Marat would have beaten anyone else in the world the way he played.

RPH
11-20-2004, 09:22 PM
Roger :worship: :worship: :D :) :)

But Marat :sad: :sad: :bigcry: :crying2: that double fault :mad:

Jim still looked very pissed off when they showed him in the TB :tape: :tape:

EternalFlame
11-20-2004, 09:22 PM
But i'm the happiest Safin in the world!
I'm proud of him for some reason. Incredibly happy! Incrdibly! :D :D :D :D :D :D :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :)

Marat is great! pround to be his fan! As ever!

You're so right Vass. :worship: That was a great match for him if we ignore the scoreline.

Fedex
11-20-2004, 09:23 PM
I cant wait till I see this match :) I'm still very happy about Hewitt's win over Roddick today, and I just found out that Roger won, not on purpose too. I wanted to be suprised.

lucashg
11-20-2004, 09:23 PM
Yes there were really lots of bad calls, but I'm talking about Roger's match point and this was maybe inches out, but not more than three or four and this is still difficult to see and I wouldn't this was intentionally called wrong against Roger. Not sure what you saw in the replay, though.

Marat's set point or Roger's match point? 'Cause Marat didn't have a match one :p
It seems that Marat's error was way more out than Roger's (fake) ace.. but whatever now.


And to who said only Marat lost chances, Roger saved a couple of them as well. There was one set point on Roger's serve where Marat did everything right and in the end Roger was able to hit a winner when Marat was at the net. Great!

Purple Rainbow
11-20-2004, 09:23 PM
I'm still in shock from a great match! Unfortunately I could only see it from halfway second set, but it was enough to notice this match will go down for the ages!!!
A big :bowdown: to both players!

lina_seta
11-20-2004, 09:23 PM
HOW IS macmatress in the radio transmission and in the match?????

well he was SUUURELY the CALMEST one there... in those bps he was just sitted and LOOKING AROUND lol.... i think he didnt care who would have won...
well maybe a little bit against roger

yanchr
11-20-2004, 09:25 PM
Actually I think the TB is in Safin's hand. Roger seemed all the way in defense. But he did it toooooo well. Not to mention the can't-be-worse line call on the MP:mad:

Roger not only a class of himself in tennis, but also a class as a human being :worship:

I really appreciate how they shook hands at the end of the match. They seemed really admire each other and respect each other. :worship:

Neely
11-20-2004, 09:26 PM
I'm sorry but I absolutely disagree. It was inches out and no i'm not saying that was intentionally on Rogi of course, but was at a terribly time when it was on his match point. I think that's no doubt about it. But Marat got his fair share after that, though the match should have ended much earlier on.
Sure, it's okay if you see it differently, but for me it really looked very close and I couldn't see it without (computer) replay.

BTW, I think that neither Safin nor Roger were favoured and that the amount of bad calls was pretty even.

VampirE
11-20-2004, 09:27 PM
Well done Roger! :D

One more to go! :worship:

lucashg
11-20-2004, 09:28 PM
Jim still looked very pissed off when they showed him in the TB :tape: :tape:

LOL
Out of the four semifinalists, Roddick was the only one who played an awful match today and lost in such shitty way. So, no wonder he's mad.

:haha: @ his "Why didn't Roddick win?" face.

Roger-No.1
11-20-2004, 09:29 PM
Neely, honestly if you seriously think this way, I have to say you're very bias. That call was inches out on Rogi's match point and commentators were all over it said that was really ridiculous and all props to Rogi for keeping his cool.

But Safin got his share of it later on. The line calls were ridiculous in this match.

It's Biased Neely. She wants Roddick to win

And I agree. It's about the number of bad calls and the moment when they were called, like on matchpoint!

Roger played better and won. Bad calls didn't change the fact, just made the tiebreak longer.

Safin was great

Lady
11-20-2004, 09:29 PM
Actually I think the TB is in Safin's hand. Roger seemed all the way in defense. But he did it toooooo well. Not to mention the can't-be-worse line call on the MP:mad:

Roger not only a class of himself in tennis, but also a class as a human being :worship:

I really appreciate how they shook hands at the end of the match. They seemed really admire each other and respect each other. :worship:

I agree on everything!
So many times Marat opened the court on set points incredibly, just to put the bal into the net or out!
I'm afraid mentally he was not ready to bit Federer!

I also had mixed feelings after that line call on match point! :o
Just like in the 1st set, when Rogi was serving for the set, and they stole Marat's point!

Alvarillo
11-20-2004, 09:30 PM
great match, incredible tie-break, can anyone stop roger????

Roger-No.1
11-20-2004, 09:30 PM
the amount of bad calls was pretty even.

Not on matchpoints, Neely. Roger won in spite of that overule.

Mrs. B
11-20-2004, 09:30 PM
HOW IS macmatress in the radio transmission and in the match?????

well he was SUUURELY the CALMEST one there... in those bps he was just sitted and LOOKING AROUND lol.... i think he didnt care who would have won...
well maybe a little bit against roger

he said he preferred that they played a 3rd set for the fans. he also mentioned that the tickets were all sold out, talked about hosting other tournaments there in the future, also bringing the WTA over.

Jennay
11-20-2004, 09:31 PM
Marat :sad:

Congrats Roger.

Yay for a blowout final.

Neely
11-20-2004, 09:31 PM
Not on matchpoints, Neely. Roger won in spite of that overule.
Yes, sure, he deserved to win it and I never said something different :shrug:

mitalidas
11-20-2004, 09:31 PM
love ya roger! love ya too Marat

I would love to see them build up a real rivalry next year, none of this fake roddick-Fed "rivalry" ....

Looking forward to some fabulous Federer-Safin stuff in 05

Roger-No.1
11-20-2004, 09:32 PM
Yes, sure, he deserved to win it and I never said something different
You can't say it was even.

Fedex
11-20-2004, 09:34 PM
Alright, just one more to go Roger. :) I was a Hewitt fan today, but its back to potato Peeling tomorrow. :)

Vass
11-20-2004, 09:34 PM
So sad! Congat's Roger. you deservd to win. Have fun against Potato. Potato good luck.


PS: I think I have multiple personalities. Now. Marat finally cracked my head.

Roger-No.1
11-20-2004, 09:35 PM
Wow, this should have been the final!

I agree. Great match! But there's a true final tomorrow.

BlackSilver
11-20-2004, 09:35 PM
and was COMPUTER CHECKED! that ball was OUT :mad: :mad:



The ball was clearly out, but the computer's check doesn't matter,
isn't 100% precise because it's a simulation of what happened, not what really happened, sometimes the program makes mistakes, I already see more than one visible error made by this program before.

This program NEVER should be used to change the decisions about the balls

If a error checking need to be used, should by the photographic system used in US OPEN

Neely
11-20-2004, 09:36 PM
You cna't say it was even.
I didn't count the bad calls, but I didn't have the impression that one side was heavily favored. And that's why I said the amount was pretty even IMO.

Fedex
11-20-2004, 09:36 PM
Marat :sad:

Congrats Roger.

Yay for a blowout final.
Well, if Roddick played like he did today against Hewitt, we would've also had a blowout final. Federer would've beaten Roddick 6-1, 6-1 if Roddick had played the final in todays form.

Mrs. B
11-20-2004, 09:37 PM
from the quality of this match, this might have been the final. :)

Leena
11-20-2004, 09:37 PM
Marat. :sad:

Roger. Yay.

The final is so blah, now. I wanted to see one of them make Roddick cry.

lsy
11-20-2004, 09:38 PM
No problem Neely. You probably got different coverage with different angle from mine. What made it worse for me was, it was on the umpires side and nobody was blocking, no overrule but he went on to overrule the other very close one (which was right overrule though) vs Rogi, I think on his match point again.

Definitely both got bad calls but that first ridiculous one was on Rogi's match point.

But enough of that, I'm happy it turned out great coz the second set was very average play from both players, most points ended with errors. I have to say Safin was amazing too, he saved so many match points and really made Rogi earned for that victory, didn't come easy at all. Despite the line calls, I wasn't comfortable for one sec at all Rogi can win.

Space Cowgirl
11-20-2004, 09:39 PM
I didn't count the bad calls, but I didn't have the impression that one side was heavily favored. And that's why I said the amount was pretty even IMO.
I agree with you Neely. There were 4 obviously bad calls, with each player benefiting from 2

Roger-No.1
11-20-2004, 09:42 PM
but I didn't have the impression that one side was heavily favored.

It is if it's on matchpoint, one side is heavily favored.

Satanic Pasteur
11-20-2004, 09:43 PM
Best match of the year by far between the two best players of the world :worship:
Best tie break I ever saw :eek:
Hey Neely Roger is tie break king, remember? ;) :p

And of course Fed's behaviour was godlike, everything in him is :angel: :)

BlackSilver
11-20-2004, 09:44 PM
Personally, if I was Safin, I probably would be smashing my head in the locker room for lost that break point in the second set and so many set points and chances to get set points :angel:

Leena
11-20-2004, 09:45 PM
Personally, if I was Safin, I probably would be smashing my head in the locker room for lost that break point in the second set and so many set points and chances to get set points :angel:
At least he won't damage anything.

Space Cowgirl
11-20-2004, 09:48 PM
Poor Marat fans, I'm surprised you've not all had nervous breakdowns yet!

yanchr
11-20-2004, 09:50 PM
Personally, if I was Safin, I probably would be smashing my head in the locker room for lost that break point in the second set and so many set points and chances to get set points :angel:
He won't. He would give all credit to Roger.:)

Neely
11-20-2004, 09:52 PM
Hey Neely Roger is tie break king, remember? ;) :p
true, that was really royal today ;)

Bubble
11-20-2004, 10:03 PM
:worship: to both players.... :worship:

Marat, thanks for confirming that you are the only player who can challenge Federer.

Really really looking forward to the next Federer-Safin rivalry in 2005 :bounce:

Fedex
11-20-2004, 10:03 PM
Hey Neely Roger is tie break king, remember? ;) :p


I think this tiebreak win confirms it. ;)

maratski
11-20-2004, 10:04 PM
Poor Marat fans, I'm surprised you've not all had nervous breakdowns yet!

unlike our fave player, we seem to have nerves of steel ;)

Sjengster
11-20-2004, 10:05 PM
Wow.

OK Wyvern, I concede I was wrong - THAT is why Federer is unbeaten against the Top 10 this year. ;) Incredible tiebreak, and there's no doubt Safin is closer than Roddick to overcoming Federer simply because he returns better and is more powerful and penetrating off both sides, but ultimately he ran into the same problem - Federer's defence forces him to go too close to the lines, hit too low over the net, go for a bit too much, and the errors are there on the really crucial points. Like Fleming said after the match, Safin just needs to work on adding that extra 2% of belief in the off-season and he can start winning these matches.

I wonder what Lundgren was thinking as he watched that, probably that he taught Federer a few of the things he managed to produce on the big points (and that Safin might give him a shaking for that afterwards ;) ). The line calls certainly added drama, and Federer did have two erroneous aces in that second set, one out wide earlier on and the other down the middle at something like 15-15 in the tiebreak, and both were out. The commentators highlighted his reaction to such a bad call on match point as a major reason why he plays the huge matches so well. If that had been Roddick, he'd have launched into a 5-minute tirade at the umpire that would have ruined his focus and probably lost him the set and the match, but Federer shrugged it off and carried on. He also conceded that Safin's backhand was in, a few points later, even before Ullrich overruled the out call.

joeb_uk
11-20-2004, 10:08 PM
It was great to see federer showing class after the bad linecall, didnt make a fuss at all

Roger-No.1
11-20-2004, 10:10 PM
The commentators highlighted his reaction to such a bad call on match point as a major reason why he plays the huge matches so well. If that had been Roddick, he'd have launched into a 5-minute tirade at the umpire that would have ruined his focus and probably lost him the set and the match, but Federer shrugged it off and carried on. He also conceded that Safin's backhand was in, a few points later, even before Ullrich overruled the out call.
He's all class!

Leena
11-20-2004, 10:11 PM
It's not class, it's stupid. When you know you're right, you bitch. The same comments wouldn't be said here if Roger lost, ala Venus at Wimbledon.

joeb_uk
11-20-2004, 10:12 PM
And its not being stupid to winge like a baby when nothing can be done about the decision huh slutboy?

Sjengster
11-20-2004, 10:17 PM
If Federer had acted the same way and lost the tiebreak and the match then obviously I would be angry at such a bad call ruining his chance, but I would certainly NOT be saying that he should have thrown a fit about it instead, as if that would have helped him recover and win the next point (which he did, on Safin's serve). Considering how terrible Federer's temper was as a teenager (much worse than Roddick, I should think, and probably approaching McEnroe standards), I don't think getting angry would have helped him one bit.

Blaze
11-20-2004, 10:18 PM
It's not class, it's stupid. When you know you're right, you bitch. The same comments wouldn't be said here if Roger lost, ala Venus at Wimbledon.
Venus could change the situation, Roger couldn't.

RonE
11-20-2004, 10:23 PM
WOW

I don't have anything to add to what has been said here already- I am just so exhausted sitting here after watching that. I can't imagine what the players must be feeling. No superlatives to add I am just totally :speakles::speakles::speakles:

Roger-No.1
11-20-2004, 10:29 PM
If Federer had acted the same way and lost the tiebreak and the match then obviously I would be angry at such a bad call ruining his chance, but I would certainly NOT be saying that he should have thrown a fit about it instead, as if that would have helped him recover and win the next point (which he did, on Safin's serve). Considering how terrible Federer's temper was as a teenager (much worse than Roddick, I should think, and probably approaching McEnroe standards), I don't think getting angry would have helped him one bit.
Emotionally stable. :yeah:

yanchr
11-20-2004, 10:35 PM
It's not class, it's stupid. When you know you're right, you bitch. The same comments wouldn't be said here if Roger lost, ala Venus at Wimbledon.
Ya, it was stupid to some degree. To tell the truth, I myself wouldn't at all act as Roger did if I was in his shoes. I bet you wouldn't either. That's why I said Roger is a class of his own.

Bibir
11-20-2004, 10:41 PM
Congrats Rogi! :worship:

Hippo! I'm so proud of you and being your fan! you fought really well...and I expect a great rivalry between you two in 2005! :D

See u next year! :wavey:

Hippo dance!

http://www.mainzelahr.de/smile/tiere/nilpferd.gif

Fedex
11-20-2004, 10:44 PM
If Federer had acted the same way and lost the tiebreak and the match then obviously I would be angry at such a bad call ruining his chance, but I would certainly NOT be saying that he should have thrown a fit about it instead, as if that would have helped him recover and win the next point (which he did, on Safin's serve). Considering how terrible Federer's temper was as a teenager (much worse than Roddick, I should think, and probably approaching McEnroe standards), I don't think getting angry would have helped him one bit.
No him complaining about the call, would of most likey not helped, but amazingly for Mac, he actually played better after he had a fit. Not the same case for Roger, when he was a kid, I would think.

laselva
11-20-2004, 10:52 PM
It's not class, it's stupid. When you know you're right, you bitch. The same comments wouldn't be said here if Roger lost, ala Venus at Wimbledon.
Roger not whinning--->just playing better--->(so)winning the match--->Not Stupid
Thank you both of you for this match. :worship:
Thank you Roger for winning it! :worship:

Tennis Fool
11-20-2004, 10:54 PM
If that had been Roddick, he'd have launched into a 5-minute tirade at the umpire that would have ruined his focus and probably lost him the set and the match.
:haha:

Roger-No.1
11-20-2004, 10:55 PM
Macs interview was :haha:

ATP Show was :haha:

Billabong
11-20-2004, 11:31 PM
OMG what a match:worship:! ROGI:clap2:!!!!!!!!!! GOOOOOO FED:D!!!

Billabong
11-20-2004, 11:31 PM
BTW 103 replies already:eek:

Trent
11-20-2004, 11:32 PM
Thumbs up to Federer, (as commented earlier) he would have had the match much earlier in the tie-break if he wasn't given a faulty call. There was also the second instance when the umpire overrulled a call that would have been the end of the match for Safin (even though the umpire was correct). To his credit he held himself together and didn't get rattled at all. A classy performance.

It's not class, it's stupid. When you know you're right, you bitch. The same comments wouldn't be said here if Roger lost, ala Venus at Wimbledon.

That's bullcrap. There was nothing he could have done in his situation. The umpire would not have changed his mind on match point, so his aruging would have been pointless and costly.

Ballbuster
11-20-2004, 11:33 PM
afterwards Federer announced that his coach for 05 is Mattress Mac. I couldn't stop laughing

Billabong
11-20-2004, 11:34 PM
I'll tape this match tonight for sure:D!

Billabong
11-20-2004, 11:34 PM
afterwards Federer announced that his coach for 05 is Mattress Mac. I couldn't stop laughing

OMG:lol:

Nymeria
11-20-2004, 11:36 PM
Great match! Glad Rogi won, but I wouldn't have mind if Safin had won. They both played great. Should've been the final of the tournament.

Mrs. B
11-20-2004, 11:37 PM
afterwards Federer announced that his coach for 05 is Mattress Mac. I couldn't stop laughing

:haha: :haha:

bad gambler
11-20-2004, 11:38 PM
rumour mill is that federer approached tony roache last week whether he would be interested in being his coach.....roach refused due to the commitment

tennischick
11-20-2004, 11:41 PM
Hewitt humiliates Roddick to reach Masters Cup final

HOUSTON, United States : Australia's Lleyton Hewitt humiliated Andy Roddick by scoring the final 20 consecutive points to complete a 6-3, 6-2 semi-final victory at the ATP Masters Cup.

Third-rated Hewitt's devastating performance humbled the second-ranked American, who had made an unbeaten run through his round-robin group, and gave the Aussie speedster a chance at his third Masters Cup title in four years.

"I was moving extremely well, able to dictate play. I was seeing the ball really well," Hewitt said. "It helps if you're in the zone like that."

Hewitt advanced to Sunday's final, where he will face the winner of a later semi-final between Swiss world number one Roger Federer and fourth-ranked Marat Safin of Russia.

Disappointing Roddick, who won a tour-best 74 matches this year, was obliterated after not losing a set through his first three matches at the season-ending event.

"It's pretty self-explanatory. I didn't step up," Roddick said. "Lleyton makes you play at a certain level to beat him and I didn't reach that.

"You have to make things happen against Lleyton to beat him. Unfortunately I didn't do that. Not a lot felt right."

US Open runner-up Hewitt can move past Wimbledon runner-up Roddick to finish second in the year-end rankings with a victory in the final.

With his closing run, Hewitt said he felt that he broke Roddick's spirit. :lol: :lol:

"A little bit. He just didn't have many opportunities on my serve," Hewitt said. "I was moving around the court well. He wasn't able to dictate play.

"He pulled the trigger a couple times under pressure, in desperate times. I just made him play. If he's good enough, he will make the shots. I felt like my passing shots can stand up with the best of the guys out there."

Hewitt took full advantage of 25 unforced errors by Roddick, the Aussie giving back only six, and ripped through breaks at love in the fifth and seventh games of the second set to advance in 58 minutes.

"It's plain and simple. I didn't play well and he took his chances when he had them," Roddick said.

Hewitt connected on only 47 percent of his first serves with three aces in the match while Roddick hit 66 percent of his first serves and nine aces.

Hewitt, the 2001 and 2002 Masters Cup winner, seeks his fifth title of the year after crowns in Sydney, Rotterdam, Washington and Long Island.

Rising to 4-1 lifetime against Roddick, Hewitt took his first victory over the US star since three 2001 triumphs. Roddick had won their only match since in June at the Queen's semi-finals.

Hewitt is 5-5 lifetime against Safin and 7-7 in his career against Federer, who this year ousted Hewitt in the Australian Open fourth round, Wimbledon quarter-finals and US Open final as well as a Hamburg semi-final.

Federer also beat Hewitt 6-3, 6-4 in a round-robin match here earlier this week.

Roddick rescued three break points in the fourth game of the first set, saving each with an ace and holding serve.

But Hewitt took advantage of his next chance, answering a second-serve and volley move from Roddick with a forehand lob winner for the break and a 4-2 lead.

Hewitt never allowed Roddick a break point and won the set in 30 minutes, triple fist pumping after an impressive backhand passing winner down the line on set point.

- AFP

merle
11-20-2004, 11:49 PM
WOW

I don't have anything to add to what has been said here already- I am just so exhausted sitting here after watching that. I can't imagine what the players must be feeling. No superlatives to add I am just totally :speakles::speakles::speakles:

Oh RonE! I'm exhausted too!! It was just an amazing match!! Just :worship: :worship: to both guys!

Roger-No.1
11-20-2004, 11:51 PM
afterwards Federer announced that his coach for 05 is Mattress Mac. I couldn't stop laughing

:haha:

rumour mill is that federer approached tony roache last week whether he would be interested in being his coach.....roach refused due to the commitment
:haha: :haha:

Jogy
11-20-2004, 11:53 PM
I liked Safin winning because for me it is becoming boring if Roger is always winning because the other players are great too. But they cant beat hims so there is nothings what wrong with the outcome if Federer is better. But it is not what I would likes to see.

bad gambler
11-20-2004, 11:53 PM
:haha: :haha:

hey roger no 1 :wavey:

actually believe it or not this story is actually true :)

federer wanted tony roche but he declined coz he didn;t want to be away from his family...no joke!

Roger-No.1
11-20-2004, 11:57 PM
federer wanted tony roche but he declined coz he didn;t want to be away from his family...no joke!

I know, but BallBuster's comment is what made me laugh in the first place and then you said tony refused due to the commitment. :haha: it was funny.

tangerine_dream
11-20-2004, 11:58 PM
Aside from the exciting TB, it doesn't look like Marat is ready to offer up much a challenge to Roger either. The cheese stands alone. Congrats Roger. :bigclap:

All the action is at the No. 2 spot: next year should be fun with Roddick, Hewitt, and Safin beating the hell out of one another again. :devil:

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 12:41 AM
Great match but some very doubtful line calls throughout the match. Credit to Federer, I think almost every other player would blow a fuse with such a line call on match point but amazingly Federer didnt even question it.

Macs interview was :haha:

Mac was a great interviewee.

Anyway, the 27 min tiebreaker and the match was very fun and it was great to see the total respect these two have for each other.

As for the Stevie Wonders who were calling the lines, Roger's reaction to those calls was fantastic and showed what a great sportsman and classy guy he is.

Very disappointing that Marat served only his second double at 18-18, that was sad, but he saved 8 match points and fought very hard and that's all that can be asked of him.

Bibir
11-21-2004, 12:58 AM
GWH! Yeah they seem to have great respect for each other :)

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 12:59 AM
Thanks for pics bea and I really enjoyed the match, and I wish it was the final, though as I said as long as one of these guys takes the title, then that will be good as well.

Tennis Fool
11-21-2004, 01:00 AM
When did Fed throw a racquet :confused:

sol
11-21-2004, 01:21 AM
When did Fed throw a racquet :confused:

When Marat was serving *4-2 (0-30)... Marat won 2 straight points to be (30-30) and Roger throw a racquet. However, he could break back later in this game to be 4-3.

Bibir
11-21-2004, 01:23 AM
When did Fed throw a racquet :confused:
when you were in the toilets.:shrug: ;)

LiZpHaIr
11-21-2004, 01:27 AM
Wow.....20-18.....wheee?

sol
11-21-2004, 01:28 AM
:lol: Bea http://www.activistsandiego.org/wwwboard/images/smiles/new_rofl.gif ;)
Thanks for the pics! :yeah:

Tennis Fool
11-21-2004, 01:29 AM
when you were in the toilets.:shrug: ;)
Ha ha, I didn't see the match. I don't have cable.

lunahielo
11-21-2004, 01:33 AM
Thank you for the pics...The one of Rogi and Marat with their arms around each ofther's back is great! It's obvious they have lots of respect for each other.
(I already knew this, though)~~

Gonna see it on TV in 30 minutes...Can't wait.. :)

Bibir
11-21-2004, 01:45 AM
Ha ha, I didn't see the match. I don't have cable.

wow..too bad...Excuse me! :bowdown:

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 02:03 AM
Ha ha, I didn't see the match. I don't have cable.

Too bad and as a fan of both players it was a pleasure to watch this match, so if you can get it, it's worth it.

Tennis Fool
11-21-2004, 02:30 AM
Too bad and as a fan of both players it was a pleasure to watch this match, so if you can get it, it's worth it.
Yes, but in the end, Safin still lost another TB :shrug:

It's like watching Seles play a brilliant match against Hingis, only to lose in the end.

Denise
11-21-2004, 02:32 AM
Amazing tie break! I guess it was the most exciting match of the MC, so far ;) unfortunately Marat lost :sad: but he played well.. but yesterday was Roggi's day so congrats to him! :)

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 02:33 AM
Yes, but in the end, Safin still lost another TB :shrug:

It's like watching Seles play a brilliant match against Hingis, only to lose in the end.

Sure he lost another TB, but this performance was much better than his performance against the Duck, Marat had to lift his game and was able to do it, but Roger was just a bit too good and handled that shocking line call very well.

Denise
11-21-2004, 02:34 AM
Ha ha, I didn't see the match. I don't have cable.

oh... that's too bad! :eek: :angel:

Tennis Fool
11-21-2004, 02:44 AM
oh... that's too bad! :eek: :angel:

No, it's a good thing. If I had cable, I'd be completely Hipponymous, I'd live in the Marat forum and be able to discuss every point in detail :o I have a bad enough time turning myself away from the 3 Slams on regular TV...plus $40 plus for basic cable is just too much in NYC.

I tried to listen to the match on Eurosport, but my computer speakers are giving out...Plus, the radio coverage has a lot to be left desired...

RogiFan88
11-21-2004, 02:51 AM
Congrats, Rogi! Poor Marat... one day soon, he'll do it!

2 talented, gorgeous guys battling it out... can't wait to see it!

nice pix... love those guys!

RogiFan88
11-21-2004, 03:06 AM
Well, they got their money's worth... phew! Rogi, you are too much, babe! I feel badly for Marat tho...

Can't wait to actually see this match after listening to it and reading about it... that TB will go down in history! Well, you can't say Marat doesn't make tennis exciting! He always does...

Talent v. talent... fantastic!

COngrats, Rogi! It was a tough 2nd set... pls just win it more quickly tomorrow v. Lleyton... he can't wait to beat you!

Marat and Rogi... so cute in the pix where they are hugging each other! I love it!

VAMOS, ROGI!!!!!! WIN THIS FREAKIN TOURNAMENT!

Thanks, Lleyton for humiliating Pandy btw... wish I had seen that one.

PennyThePenguin
11-21-2004, 03:08 AM
So sad! Congat's Roger. you deservd to win. Have fun against Potato. Potato good luck.


PS: I think I have multiple personalities. Now. Marat finally cracked my head.

vass... it's not just marat. it's a combination of marat and tlking with the colourful personalities of YOU KNOW WHERE so much ;)

Bibir
11-21-2004, 03:09 AM
No, it's a good thing. If I had cable, I'd be completely Hipponymous, I'd live in the Marat forum and be able to discuss every point in detail :o
you created hippononymous TF...addicted once! addicted for ever! ;)

PennyThePenguin
11-21-2004, 03:20 AM
No, it's a good thing. If I had cable, I'd be completely Hipponymous, I'd live in the Marat forum and be able to discuss every point in detail :o I have a bad enough time turning myself away from the 3 Slams on regular TV...plus $40 plus for basic cable is just too much in NYC.

I tried to listen to the match on Eurosport, but my computer speakers are giving out...Plus, the radio coverage has a lot to be left desired...
i just discovered the radio commentayry on ES is the EXACT SAME commentaryt that we get on star sports. maybe that's why it doesn't help listeners much. cos it comes along with the visual on tv

Tennis Fool
11-21-2004, 03:27 AM
i just discovered the radio commentayry on ES is the EXACT SAME commentaryt that we get on star sports. maybe that's why it doesn't help listeners much. cos it comes along with the visual on tv
Radio US Open was very good. Point by point quick-fire commentary of the Roddick/Pim-Pim match. I felt as if I was there.

Sigh. I saw a lot of Roddick on TV this summer (Miami, Wimbledon, RCA, US Open...) Fed and Kiefer on a lot, also, with Coria. I didn't see any OAF. But, then again, he was OAFing during that period.

Denise
11-21-2004, 03:30 AM
I get it tennis fool! You've basic cable but not the sport channel which has the coverage od MC?! in some sites (which I don't remember the link lol) I used to watch matches live by i-net!

Bibir, what you meant with hippononymous TF?! I undestood only the first part! I guess! LOL! pls, tell me the meeting of TF! :angel:

ps. nice avatar Penny! :lol: ;)

Leena
11-21-2004, 03:30 AM
Radio US Open was very good. Point by point quick-fire commentary of the Roddick/Pim-Pim match. I felt as if I was there.

That wasn't exactly a hard match to commentate though.

PennyThePenguin
11-21-2004, 03:42 AM
Radio US Open was very good. Point by point quick-fire commentary of the Roddick/Pim-Pim match. I felt as if I was there.

Sigh. I saw a lot of Roddick on TV this summer (Miami, Wimbledon, RCA, US Open...) Fed and Kiefer on a lot, also, with Coria. I didn't see any OAF. But, then again, he was OAFing during that period.

yeah. OAF time that period. ah well. next year hopefully

rue
11-21-2004, 05:00 AM
I think that Safin did a good job though he lost, like he said, he just got too nervous and was unable to take advantage of his opportunities and that really let him down. It just shows that he can compete with Federer at the highest level. It was just the nerves that got the best of him in the tiebreak and I think that he will do better next time against him. He nevertheless had a good finishing to the season.

jmp
11-21-2004, 05:48 AM
Thanks for the pictures, bibir. :)

Roger has the temperament of a champion. That and his brilliant play got him another well earned victory today. Congratulations, Roger!! :D

Originally posted by Space Cowgirl
Poor Marat fans, I'm surprised you've not all had nervous breakdowns yet!
:crazy: :lol:

This whole match was a roller coaster for me. :eek: But, when I saw Marat having fun and keeping his head in the match, I was happy to go through the ups and downs. :D I tried to be sad again because I knew he lost the match after he lost his chance to break Roger for a second time. I could see the momentum shift. :sad: Then they got into the tie breaker. (The last place I want to see Marat in a match. :() I was a wreck! :o But, when the final point was played, I couldn't help but smile. :) That tie break was fantastic and the better man won!

I am so gosh darn happy to see Marat playing so well and controlling his emotions. I hope he keeps it up in 2005.

GO MARAT! :D :D

Thank you Marat :worship: and Roger :worship: for the athleticism, sportsmanship, and shot making you treated us to today.

I love this game! :D

Daniel
11-21-2004, 07:15 AM
Roger :yeah:

doublebackhand
11-21-2004, 07:53 AM
For those who are expecting some sort of a Fed-Safin rivalry next year may be expecting a little too much.
Safin is supposed to be the in-form player, winning 2 TMS titles back-to-back while Roger was nursing a minor injury, not having played for a month. But what happened? a straight set win for Roger despite a tight score line. That says something about the gap that Safin has to close. Plus Safin has a worse record for injuries. One more thing is his mental fragility, he lost 7-6 7-6 to Roddick and another tight tie-breaker to Roger. That said volume when the match comes down to a couple of points.
If Roger stays injury free in 05, I dont expect Safin (or anyone) to challenge him really.

Drimal
11-21-2004, 07:58 AM
MARAT :bigcry: :bigcry:

But: Thank you Marat for a great season! :D :worship:

Thank you Marat and Roger for this second set that was one of the best I ever saw: 20:18 in Tiebreak for Roger! :eek: :eek:

:wavey: Nice greats to Switzerland: Your Roger is really a great player. He is now unbeaten against Top Ten players since 22 matches. :wavey:












:worship: MARAT SAFIN :worship:

14 Titles : Paris, Madrid, Beijing 2004, Paris 2002, St.Petersburg, Tashkent 2001, US OPEN 2000, Paris, St Petersburg, Mallorca, Barcelona, Tashkent,Toronto, Boston 1999

:worship: GILLES MULLER :worship:

Junior Number 1 in 2000/2001 Finalist of Washington3 Challenger wins: Cordoba, Naples (2004), Valladolid (2003), 3 ITF Future wins Calda Novas, Montego Bay, Glasgow

bandabou
11-21-2004, 10:38 AM
Now doublebackhand, I don´t think it´s black and white as you put it.

Yeah...Roger is great, best player out there....but he KNOWS that Marat is NO walk in the park....and as long as he thinks that way of Marat, then I think Marat is still an elite player. Because Roger knows that if he doesn´t come to play, Marat is gonna beat him.

novanora
11-21-2004, 11:42 AM
what a wonderful match with unbelievable TB!!! The TB in the 2nd set is really funny, each one almost has a mini break in the other's two servings. The linecalls are too bad, they at lease have 2 chances can finish this TB before 20-18, but anyway, we are quite "lucky" to appreciate this incredible triple-tb, 20 is near to 21, 3 times than 7.

however, roger, please beware your volleys, they looks a little bit :retard:in the second set....

Bibir
11-21-2004, 02:07 PM
I like these pics too!

http://membres.lycos.fr/maratp/MC/MSC111.jpghttp://membres.lycos.fr/maratp/MC/MSC123.jpg

The_Lion_Nl
11-21-2004, 02:46 PM
Yes, Bibir those pictures are really great. It just shows how these to players respect and like each other.
Just recorded the final set that they replayed, and Marat really played well, he should have a great next season and I am hoping for more of these close encounters between them.
Good luck today in defending your title Rogi, finish the year in style and surpass potato in the h2h encounters. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

crimson
11-21-2004, 03:38 PM
I wasn't able to see the match :sad: but from reading all the comments it sounds like it was amazing! :) I'll try and get a copy on video at some stage. I read today that the tiebreak score has also tied the record for the longest ever tiebreak since tiebreaks were first introduced. :)

I'm really proud of Roger for showing such good sportsmanship about the line calls. :hug: I'm so pleased to see him in the final, he has been the best in the world this year and hopefully he can crown it with the Masters cup title too. :) Congratulations also to Marat for putting in such a good fight and making it so close, and well done on having made such a great comeback this year, it's been great to have him back. :)

bibir, thanks for posting those photos of Roger and Marat, I'm really glad to see how much they like and respect each other. :)

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 03:50 PM
Bibir, thanks for the pics I just confirmed what I already knew.

tennischick
11-21-2004, 03:52 PM
i am expecting a good rivalry between Roger and Safin, and Potato and Roger next year.

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 03:53 PM
Federer and Nalbandian is a better rivalry (usch I hate that word) than either Federer/Safin or the Federer/Potato.

hitchhiker
11-21-2004, 04:09 PM
i am expecting a good rivalry between Roger and Safin, and Potato and Roger next year.

you cant call federer-safin a rivalry until safin at least win some sets :haha:

safin hasnt won a set in 2.5 years.

mitalidas
11-21-2004, 04:45 PM
The quality of this match is the highest I have seen in all of 2004 --the only one which comes close to it is the USO quarters (Federer-Agassi), but that was played with such bad weather conditions that it prevented the best tennis to come out

babsi
11-21-2004, 07:04 PM
Regarding the pic of Roger and Safin - isn´t there a sports photo of the year contest or something.
Someone schould nominete that pic - you can be competetive and on friendly terms -
when you think what is going on right now (basketball,football) this would send a great message

merle
11-21-2004, 07:07 PM
Good idea Babsi!! :yeah:

Marine
11-21-2004, 07:19 PM
I was very tired yesterday, I didn't see the second set :mad: , if only I had known the result of the tie break I would have make an effort...
The pics of the end are great, I respect both players.
I saw a report in a french tv show (stade 2) about Federer, and I really love him when he speas french, he's so funny !!! So cool !!! He makes jokes with his accent it's adorable. ;)
This player is so untypical..no coach ( and I really wonder why he should find a coach in the future, he doesn't need !), his parents take care of his money, and his g/f is his agent, she's not a top model/singer/actress. Moreover he's not arrogant, he's swiss...well, I'm happy the successor of Pete is Roger.

RogiFan88
11-21-2004, 08:20 PM
I second that idea, Babsi! Nice to know there are still people who have respect for each other in this world! The pix tell it all -- so cute!!! Love them both!

the cat
11-21-2004, 08:59 PM
Hey TC you left out somebody in an expected rivalry with Federer next year. ;)

I am happy Safin ended the year playing well. But he really needed to take a set from Federer and he had so many chances in that monumental 20-18 tirbreak they played in Houston. But Marat was healthy this year for the most part and played alot of tennis and is a factor again and that's good news for next year. But I wish he wouldn't play so mych because when he has played Federer this year he is much more tired than Roger is and that hurts Marat's chances of upsetting Federer. Federer is cleary #1 and Roddick, hewitt and Safin are playing for #2 next year or so it seems.

tennischick
11-21-2004, 10:22 PM
Hey TC you left out somebody in an expected rivalry with Federer next year. ;)
er...no i didn't :D ;)

Tennis Fool
11-21-2004, 10:38 PM
Moreover he's not arrogant, he's swiss...

:lol:

well, I'm happy the successor of Pete is Roger.
Me too ;)

drf716
11-22-2004, 12:10 AM
with lack of better things to say, i won't say it...

hitchhiker
11-22-2004, 01:26 AM
safins on his way to matching roddicks achievement of a brilliant 8-1 head to head against federer.
But of course this is the real rivalry, there is a slight problem that safin not won a set against federer for close to 3 years but dont let that get in the way of a great rivalry.

BlackSilver
11-22-2004, 02:23 AM
there is a slight problem that safin not won a set against federer for close to 3 years

From where you caught this?

the cat
11-22-2004, 02:37 PM
So true hitchicker.

Er...yes you did TC. ;) But I can't blame you. I thought after the tough match Roddick gave Federer in their Wimbledon final that he would step up to the plate and become the top rival for Federer. But then Andy's game has regressed since Wimbledon to the suprise of most tennis fans but not you. :( There is no rival for Federer and we have to accept that. Maybe things will change next year but that remains to be seen.