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LLETYON def. RODDICK 6-3 6-2!!!

lina_seta
11-20-2004, 06:40 PM
loolll

CooCooCachoo
11-20-2004, 06:41 PM
:rolleyes:

My thread was first :p

lina_seta
11-20-2004, 06:41 PM
yeah for those who wanted to know
LOOK AT Mac mattress loonnngggg face lol
seems he wants to kill lleyton... btu he didnt carry any USA shirt...
did he took it off? lol

croat123
11-20-2004, 06:41 PM
:haha: too funny!!!

lina_seta
11-20-2004, 06:41 PM
:rolleyes:

My thread was first :p

unprecise though :angel:

Eve83
11-20-2004, 06:41 PM
God, that was a killer-match by Lleyton. He won the last 20 points!

...@Andy: you sucked!

Jorge
11-20-2004, 06:42 PM
c'mon!!! first time I've enjoyed Lleyton screaming :devil:

Andrew.
11-20-2004, 06:42 PM
Lleyton :eek: :eek:

Neely
11-20-2004, 06:42 PM
unbelievable match from Lleyton! :eek: :worship:
Congrats! That was a masterpiece! Awesome!

Scored 20 points in a row against Andy to take the 2nd set and finish it!

Well, Lleyton is my biggest remaining favourite player, so I hope he takes it all on Sunday!
Would be incredible....

This match really reminds you of 2002/2001 when Lleyton took the Masters Cup!

C'MON Lleyton!!!!

Mrs. B
11-20-2004, 06:43 PM
yeah for those who wanted to know
LOOK AT Mac mattress loonnngggg face lol
seems he wants to kill lleyton... btu he didnt carry any USA shirt...
did he took it off? lol

i think he wore that flag shirt inside his sweat shirt and was planning to expose it when Roddick got to match point! :haha:

lina_seta
11-20-2004, 06:43 PM
all merits for lleyton
he creamed andy better than federer would have.. i think heheh

TheBoiledEgg
11-20-2004, 06:44 PM
has mattress mac lost his constipated look yet ???

darnyelb
11-20-2004, 06:44 PM
I have to ask - was Roddick injured?

Very happy for Lleyton... does he have a chance at #2 now?

lina_seta
11-20-2004, 06:44 PM
i think he wore that flag shirt inside his sweat shirt and was planning to expose it when Roddick got to match point! :haha:


lol!!! i think his sweat shirt was his backup plan in case roddick lost... heheh

Neely
11-20-2004, 06:45 PM
:rolleyes:

My thread was first :p
threads with "Come on roasts Duck" and "Andy is getting waxed" are not considered ;) :p ... I always prefer the "Lleyton def. Roddick 6-3 6-2" then :devil: :angel:

;)

lina_seta
11-20-2004, 06:46 PM
I have to ask - was Roddick injured?

Very happy for Lleyton... does he have a chance at #2 now?


no he was not... he just played an AWFUL AWFUL match
toooooo many mistakes.. he couldnt get a single point off lleyton's service game

TheBoiledEgg
11-20-2004, 06:46 PM
I have to ask - was Roddick injured?


yes mentally :devil:

joeb_uk
11-20-2004, 06:47 PM
it was a mental collapse! he just lost his mind

RPH
11-20-2004, 06:47 PM
Lleyton :eek: :eek: :eek: :D :bigclap: :woohoo:

Fantastic :worship: :worship:

Andy though :o :o :o 20 points lost in a row :eek: :eek:
Crowd were pretty slient in disbelief ;)

I don't know who was more depressed Roddick or Jim :lol: :lol: :lol:

Neely
11-20-2004, 06:48 PM
That was an awesome day for Lleyton!

With this match as background knowledge, the Gaudio performance of yesterday doesn't look that bad as I considered it two hours ago....

All fans who are pulling for Lleyton just have to pray that Lleyton is able to do the same tomorrow again. Hardly worse or better, just anything around this level of today. Everything he did was right the right choice today, almost no unforced errors, disarmed Roddick's serve completely since the middle of the 1st set.

*Ljubica*
11-20-2004, 06:48 PM
c'mon!!! first time I've enjoyed Lleyton screaming :devil:

Me too :devil: And I'm still chuckling over Mattress Mac's bitter face :devil: :devil:

kim-fan
11-20-2004, 06:48 PM
yes mentally :devil:

:spit:

Jorge
11-20-2004, 06:49 PM
I don't know who was more depressed Roddick or Jim :lol: :lol: :lol:
I bet Jim, right now must be taking tons of Valium :devil:

joeb_uk
11-20-2004, 06:49 PM
Me too :devil: And I'm still chuckling over Mattress Mac's bitter face :devil: :devil:

poor mac! its the last time hopefully he will see his bumboy andy at houston!

BelgianWaffle
11-20-2004, 06:50 PM
:rolleyes:

My thread was first :p

:hug: ;)

Well what can I say: :worship: @ Lleyton but I don't want to gloat as Andy seemed to have a bit of an off-day :tape:

Havok
11-20-2004, 06:50 PM
Well done to Lleyton.:)
Now Andy's gonna have to go get his but kicked at the DC finals.:lol:

WF4EVER
11-20-2004, 06:50 PM
What a rassing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG! I didn't expect this at al! What happened to Andy? Moreover, what happened to Lleyton?

Is this roasting the Australian version of Thanksgiving, which is Thursday????

I am very surprised.

joeb_uk
11-20-2004, 06:50 PM
Well done to Lleyton.:)
Now Andy's gonna have to go get his but kicked at the DC finals.:lol:
our commentators were just talking about that :D

Pea
11-20-2004, 06:51 PM
I want to see his face.:sad:

Fergie
11-20-2004, 06:57 PM
Well done Lleyton :yeah:

Bilbo
11-20-2004, 07:01 PM
Awesome match, he made some new records, he broke roddick to love back-zo-back and scored 20 points in a row against the no.2 player

Lleyton :yeah:

Adam Thirnis
11-20-2004, 07:02 PM
No real surprise. Roddick has a big serve and little else. He can intimidate most players but his record against the very best (Fed, Andre, Hewitt) is poor - these guys know how to keep the ball in play and outrally Andy.

It's obvious now that Hewitt deserved his place in the US Open final. He would have done to Roddick just what he did to the Swede in the semis.

Hewitt's got Roddick's number well and truly.

Marine
11-20-2004, 07:03 PM
I saw Hewitt in Bercy and I found him boring, but today he played very well and deserved the final ! Well done.
Roddick was boring..an ace, a fault, an aca, a fault... well, the final will be great, that's sure. :)

Raquel
11-20-2004, 07:05 PM
Congratulations Lleyton!! :bounce:

After starting this year outside the top 10 and people in the media writing him off he has come back really strong. I knew you would Lleyton! ;) :yeah:

Andy really did look lost for ideas out there. Even when he was down he didn't try and change it up, maybe try and take some pace off and rally and when he came into net it was no contest.

Lleyton :worship:

Juanquis.Angel
11-20-2004, 07:14 PM
Wow! :worship: :eek:


I was surfing the 'net, waiting for ESPN2 to stop showing college football, and saw a link on an Aussie website that read "Hewitt downs Roddick". My first thought was :confused: . After I opened the link, I was promptly surprised. I'd really wanted Lleyton to win, but I hadn't really expected it. Granted, Roddick had played quite a few close matches (7-5 7-6 vs. Henman, 7-6 7-6 vs. Safin), which might've indicated something earlier, but I didn't figure Lleyton would win, let alone win so convincingly!


Maybe God will continue to hear my prayers and send Safin through to the final as well! ;) :devil:

Jorge
11-20-2004, 07:32 PM
I didn't see the match, but great result for Lleyton after a bad 2003 season!
ESPN latinoamérica will show it again at 6.30 eastern time

|-Safin_Coria-|
11-20-2004, 07:42 PM
:eek:
*mouth drops*
CONGRATS HEWITT!!!!!!!!!! :worship: :worship:

sigmagirl91
11-20-2004, 07:46 PM
Congrats, Hewitt.

euroka1
11-20-2004, 07:52 PM
Congratulations, LLeyton, we Aussies are proud of you.

Alvarillo
11-20-2004, 08:00 PM
jajajaja 20 straight points, unbeliable !!!
Roddick was awful at net !
I hope he will repeat today's match in Sevilla !!!!!!!!!!

gogo_guga
11-20-2004, 08:03 PM
Hahahahahahaha!!!! I'm sooooooooooooo happy Lleyton beat Roddick!!!!!
Roddick, Gilbert, and Mattress Mac are all asses!!!!!

bad gambler
11-20-2004, 09:11 PM
Awesome match, he made some new records, he broke roddick to love back-zo-back and scored 20 points in a row against the no.2 player

Lleyton :yeah:


i think we both agree hewitt is the true no 2 in the world ;)

i'm so happy...i had a feeling hewitt would win this but not this easily

:woohoo:

bad gambler
11-20-2004, 09:12 PM
Congratulations, LLeyton, we Aussies are proud of you.

too right mate ;)

Iheartandy&roger
11-20-2004, 09:19 PM
Oh well congrats to Lleyton he's awesome!

Purple Rainbow
11-20-2004, 09:20 PM
Respect to Lleyton!
Unfortunately couldn't see this match (evil work), but what an impressive vicotory! And 20 points in a row is just..:worship:
Good luck against the Fed! You'll need it Lleyton!

FanOfHewitt
11-20-2004, 09:27 PM
Congratulations, LLeyton, we Aussies are proud of you.

Hear hear! Good way to end the year.

Asking for an upset tomorrow might be a bit much but he has fought hard to climb back up the rankings and deserves his place in the final. If he wins and takes the number two spot in will be a bonus.

3rd TMC Final. Quite an achievement.

Leena
11-20-2004, 09:27 PM
Andy was broken at love? Twice? In a row?

Obvious injury.

Fedex
11-20-2004, 09:29 PM
Wow, what an incredible display from Hewitt today. He just passed Roddick at will out there today. :) Who said this was a rivalry?? What rivalry is this, its 4-1 now for Hewitt. His game probably matches the best against Roddick, besides Federer and Agassi. Roddick tried to do what he was having success in his other matches, and come into the net, but he got punished for doing so. Roddick played well, until he got broken in the 2nd set. That broke his spirit there, and then he didn't really put any effort into it after he was broken in the 2nd set. Roddick fans have the right to be mad at their man for that, but every thing else was just Hewitt playing great ball.

Space Cowgirl
11-20-2004, 09:30 PM
Roddick's volleying and net play was truly awful. Hewitt really did have his number.
And to the Mac-haters: when he was on Eurosport, he was pretty philosophical about the result and *shock* acknowledged that Hewitt was the better player. But don't let that change your prejudices against him or anything

Fedex
11-20-2004, 09:31 PM
Me too :devil: And I'm still chuckling over Mattress Mac's bitter face :devil: :devil:
That was the 1st time I've enjoyed Hewitt's screaming too, and today I was a BIG Hewitt fan. :devil: :)

bad gambler
11-20-2004, 09:32 PM
true fedex.....rodduck will always struggle against a half decent returner of serve, and fact that hewitt is the best in the world suggests he will always struggle against hewitt

i/ve got both my toes and fingers crossed for tomorrow but i'm no fool, i know how tough it is going to be against the greatest but one can only hope :)

joeb_uk
11-20-2004, 09:33 PM
Roddick without the effect of his serve is like a greyhound without legs :D

Leena
11-20-2004, 09:34 PM
So many Roddick haters... shame on you.

sprinterluck
11-20-2004, 09:34 PM
Lleyton--solid and consistent, nothing flashy
few unforced errors
low first serve percentage
but solid second serve!

Andy--flashier game, but ultimately flat performance
high first serve percentage
a ton of unforced errors
embarassingly weak volleys

Against Lleyton it was hard for Andy to take chances because NOTHING in his game was working well enough to get him out of trouble against Lleyton. I almost felt sorry for Andy when Lleyton won a game towards the second set--Lleyton pumped his fist and cheered Andy's string of horrible successive errors. I think that's just Lleyton's will to win at all costs even if it's cheering his opponents errors...But now I understand why some of the Aussie public found Lleyton's oncourt demeanor disturbing esp at the beginning of his career.

bad gambler
11-20-2004, 09:35 PM
So many Roddick haters... shame on you.


can't help it when he plays my favourite player

Fedex
11-20-2004, 09:37 PM
Roddick tried everything against Hewitt, and nothing worked. Its as simple as that.

joeb_uk
11-20-2004, 09:39 PM
So many Roddick haters... shame on you.
ASK yourself why that is?

Leena
11-20-2004, 09:40 PM
ASK yourself why that is?
Because Andy can swing his arm really hard while standing by a painted line, and your favorite can't as sufficiently.

Space Cowgirl
11-20-2004, 09:45 PM
I almost felt sorry for Andy when Lleyton won a game towards the second set--Lleyton pumped his fist and cheered Andy's string of horrible successive errors. I think that's just Lleyton's will to win at all costs even if it's cheering his opponents errors...But now I understand why some of the Aussie public found Lleyton's oncourt demeanor disturbing esp at the beginning of his career.
That is the main reason why I can't stand Hewitt. Off-court he seems like a good guy, but the screaming, even when he's winning comfortably, is seriously annoying :mad: If he didn't do it, I think I'd even become a fan of his

joeb_uk
11-20-2004, 10:01 PM
Because Andy can swing his arm really hard while standing by a painted line, and your favorite can't as sufficiently.
Its because of andys personality, his game, his behaviour that there are many who dislike him.

Black Adam
11-20-2004, 10:03 PM
Because Andy can swing his arm really hard while standing by a painted line, and your favorite can't as sufficiently.

well said :yeah:

tangerine_dream
11-20-2004, 11:42 PM
"Bad day at the office" doesn't even begin to describe the massacre Andy suffered at the hands of little Rocky. Yeesh. :scared:

I can't remember the last time Andy lost so badly (when he was uninjured that is, so don't bother mentioning Shanghai). A terrible loss for him, and if he really did leave the court in tears, I don't blame him. :hug:

Congrats to Lleyton on his great performance today. He must be so happy with the way he's been playing lately and to get back at Andy for the Queen's loss earlier in the year. But I don't see Lletyon getting past Roger. Mary Carillo said after the Roddick match that Lleyton "did nothing special" to win the match. And we all know by now that you can't win a match against Roger by doing "nothing special."

Good luck to Lletyon and Roger tomorrow in the final. Please. No more bagels. :bigclap:

tangerine_dream
11-20-2004, 11:46 PM
Roddick's volleying and net play was truly awful. Hewitt really did have his number.
And to the Mac-haters: when he was on Eurosport, he was pretty philosophical about the result and *shock* acknowledged that Hewitt was the better player. But don't let that change your prejudices against him or anything

ROTFL! :worship: Did you see all the comments people were making in the tourney forum? It's like they couldn't wait to hear PMac and Carillo cry bitter tears because Andy lost. Please. They are professionals and I've never heard them praise Andy any more or less than any other player. They were quite fair and philosophical during and after the match and they gave all credit to Hewitt for his win.

It's odd how the irrational hate for Andy seems to transfer over to PMac and Carillo. But they're American, so there's your starting point for the hate already. :shrug:

Because Andy can swing his arm really hard while standing by a painted line, and your favorite can't as sufficiently.

Nailed it. :worship:

star
11-20-2004, 11:50 PM
Because Andy can swing his arm really hard while standing by a painted line, and your favorite can't as sufficiently.

:lol:


Lleyton was great today and Andy sucked. I'm glad Marat, Andy, and Lleyton are all so close together. It should make for an exciting year next year.

Good Luck to Lleyton tomorrow!!

jole
11-20-2004, 11:52 PM
I bet someone could make a fortune selling on these forums a still-portrait of Matress Mac's face after this match.

lsy
11-21-2004, 12:24 AM
My coverage only showed this match from 4-2 second set onwards, honestly that last few games I saw, it even made Gaudio's effot vs Hewitt looked good. I'm shocked with Andy honestly, he didn't win one single point if I'm not wrong from what I saw, that's just ridiculous, looked like he didn't even bother?

What shocked me next was when I saw the stats, Hewitt was only serving at 47%. Before this, I had thought he needed to serve very well to have a chance vs Andy.

Maybe I'll get a replay later and can see better what really went on, I'm not surprise with a Hewitt win but would have expected more fight from Andy than this.

Iheartandy&roger
11-21-2004, 12:26 AM
I'm glad everybody has somebody to hate on it must make all of your guys' day which is great cuz enjoy it while it lasts cuz what goes around come around. :wavey:

Fedex
11-21-2004, 12:29 AM
Roddick tried to attack the net against Hewitt but this was clearly the wrong strategy, as few players pass as well as Hewitt does. Did you see some of those topspin lobs and great passes he came up with? Yes, Isy, after Roddick lost his serve in the 2nd set, he didn't show any further effort after that, but before that he was just out played, and was not patient enough in the baseline rallies.

Auscon
11-21-2004, 12:29 AM
Awesome stuff!!

I thought Lleyton would beat him, but didnt expect it to be this much of a roll....

I asked a mate who has cable to set a tape for 3:30am for Lleytons match....if he forgot, I swear HEADS WILL ROLL!

and 20 points straight? farken hell.....a bloody good way to start off my Sunday morn I'll tell you that

Youre the world number 2, now fingers crossed you can make it official in the final

lsy
11-21-2004, 12:29 AM
I'm glad everybody has somebody to hate on it must make all of your guys' day which is great cuz enjoy it while it lasts cuz what goes around come around. :wavey:

I don't hate nobody, ok maybe I do hate all my damn picky clients who want everythings go their way.

Fedex
11-21-2004, 12:31 AM
Awesome stuff!!

I thought Lleyton would beat him, but didnt expect it to be this much of a roll....

I asked a mate who has cable to set a tape for 3:30am for Lleytons match....if he forgot, I swear HEADS WILL ROLL!

and 20 points straight? farken hell.....a bloody good way to start off my Sunday morn I'll tell you that

Youre the world number 2, now fingers crossed you can make it official in the final
I still think he'll lose to Federer in the final, but even if he doesn't get the #2 ranking this year, he has a great chance early next year.

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 12:34 AM
An outstanding performance by the Potato, he totally shut the crowd out of the match.

The look on Andy's face at the end was total bewilderment as he got chopped so badly in the second set from leading 2-1 and then losing the last 22 points in a row. He didn't serve that badly in the mid 60s, but the look on his face and the disappointment of Jim was great to see.

I am not sure if it's the old Potato, but he played very well and made Andy look like an amateur.

Auscon
11-21-2004, 12:36 AM
I still think he'll lose to Federer in the final, but even if he doesn't get the #2 ranking this year, he has a great chance early next year.

It'll take something incredibly special to beat Fed

even more so considering this is the final tussle, and Rogers really gonna want to slam it down once again that he is a league ahead of the rest, and if theres any top player out there who he can do that to the best, well, so far its been Lleyton

Fedex
11-21-2004, 12:43 AM
I'm more worried about this match, because its best of 5 sets, and it gives Federer more time to choke, or Hewitt to come back.

Socket
11-21-2004, 12:43 AM
My coverage only showed this match from 4-2 second set onwards, honestly that last few games I saw, it even made Gaudio's effot vs Hewitt looked good. I'm shocked with Andy honestly, he didn't win one single point if I'm not wrong from what I saw, that's just ridiculous, looked like he didn't even bother?

What shocked me next was when I saw the stats, Hewitt was only serving at 47%. Before this, I had thought he needed to serve very well to have a chance vs Andy.

Maybe I'll get a replay later and can see better what really went on, I'm not surprise with a Hewitt win but would have expected more fight from Andy than this.
One of the things about Lleyton I've learned from watching so many of his matches is how good his second serve is. He rarely just spins it in. He moves it around the box and disguises it very well, maybe even better than his first serve, because he's not hitting it so hard. He's won so many matches with a low first serve percentage that I'm no longer surprised when it happens. And he doesn't get frustrated and worried when he's serving below 50%, either, because he's more confident about his second serve than most players are.

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 12:44 AM
Federer just has to come out of the blocks very quickly, but I can see this match being closer than their round robin match. Interestingly Hewitt is the only one ever to beat Federer at TMC.

Leena
11-21-2004, 12:47 AM
As long as Roger isn't way off his game, this will be 3 routine sets. Yawn.

Auscon
11-21-2004, 12:47 AM
I'm more worried about this match, because its best of 5 sets, and it gives Federer more time to choke, or Hewitt to come back.

so far that hasnt troubled Roger :) I dont think he's the type of guy who chokes anymore

What I'm worried about is seeing Lleyton double fault if it gets on break point....he's had a habit of doing that against Roger this year. I know he's mentally one of the strongest out there, but I think that strength is far from its peak when he's playing the no.1

bad gambler
11-21-2004, 12:47 AM
Interestingly Hewitt is the only one ever to beat Federer at TMC.


yes that match in shaghai was an absolute pearler - it was high quality tennis all the way and it really was the kick start to federer's career i believe even though he lost

hopefully tomorrow's final will replicate that match. It would be gerat to see hewitt win but realistically tomorrow will be the day where federer puts icing on the 2004 tennis year

jeanie_sin
11-21-2004, 12:49 AM
yep, that TMS shanghai match was one to remeber! 7-5,5-7, 7-5. absloute cracker! :worship:

bad gambler
11-21-2004, 12:50 AM
it will come down to whether hewitt can convert those "half chances" he keeps talking about when playing federer -wimbledon this year was the classic example whne he should have taken that match into a 5th set

Socket
11-21-2004, 12:51 AM
An outstanding performance by the Potato, he totally shut the crowd out of the match.

The look on Andy's face at the end was total bewilderment as he got chopped so badly in the second set from leading 2-1 and then losing the last 22 points in a row. He didn't serve that badly in the mid 60s, but the look on his face and the disappointment of Jim was great to see.

I am not sure if it's the old Potato, but he played very well and made Andy look like an amateur.
I got the impression that Lleyton had quite a few people in the stands cheering for him, more than I expected in fact. I think his drop-shot-return/lob-return combination against Gaudio on Friday earned him not only a standing ovation, but lots of new fans. It's hard not to appreciate somebody who's trying that hard out there (although some people manage!).

Fedex
11-21-2004, 12:53 AM
yes that match in shaghai was an absolute pearler - it was high quality tennis all the way and it really was the kick start to federer's career i believe even though he lost

hopefully tomorrow's final will replicate that match. It would be gerat to see hewitt win but realistically tomorrow will be the day where federer puts icing on the 2004 tennis year
Actually, the match that I think set off Federer to dominate mens tennis this year was (as Federer himself agrees), the TMC RR match with Agassi last year.

Scotso
11-21-2004, 12:54 AM
Nothing like a good spanking! :bounce:

Tennis Fool
11-21-2004, 12:56 AM
Nothing like a good spanking! :bounce:
Scotso! Where have you been? And why'd you change your name?

BaselineSmash
11-21-2004, 01:00 AM
Roddick threw in a complete tank today; perhaps he just couldn't face another mauling at the hands of the Fedman. He really was quite utterly inept in all areas, and didn't even strike me as caring much at all. Although his choice swear words (directed to Hewitt) at the change-of-ends made things slightly more than utterly soporific. Hewitt certainly has a gift for bringing out the absolute abysmal worst in top players almost by virtue of consistency alone, but his returning was impressive also.

lsy
11-21-2004, 01:00 AM
One of the things about Lleyton I've learned from watching so many of his matches is how good his second serve is. He rarely just spins it in. He moves it around the box and disguises it very well, maybe even better than his first serve, because he's not hitting it so hard. He's won so many matches with a low first serve percentage that I'm no longer surprised when it happens. And he doesn't get frustrated and worried when he's serving below 50%, either, because he's more confident about his second serve than most players are.

Thanks. There should be a replay later on I hope, seemed like Hewitt just played hell of a match and broke down Andy's confidence and drive later on. Rogi better watch out tomorrow, I know their matches hadn't been closed this year but there's always time during when I really fear Hewitt will come back, he just doesn't give up and kept going despite how much he was being outplayed, that itself is quite sth. I think the only time he didn't break Rogi when he's serving for set/match/up a break this year was the rr match here, even Rogi said he sort of got used to that from Hewitt :lol:

But I'm rather sure Rogi won't be taking Hewitt lightly tomorrow despite the good records this year, well I hope so.

Fedex
11-21-2004, 01:02 AM
Nothing like a good spanking! :bounce:
Where have you been?

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 01:02 AM
I got the impression that Lleyton had quite a few people in the stands cheering for him, more than I expected in fact. I think his drop-shot-return/lob-return combination against Gaudio on Friday earned him not only a standing ovation, but lots of new fans. It's hard not to appreciate somebody who's trying that hard out there (although some people manage!).

Well you know my opinion of Hewitt. I have to say that I don't dislike him as much as I used to and I have always respected what he has achieved and how he doesn't give in at all. It just takes some people longer to realise this.

One other plus point, he is not insincere.

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 01:04 AM
Roddick threw in a complete tank today; perhaps he just couldn't face another mauling at the hands of the Fedman. He really was quite utterly inept in all areas, and didn't even strike me as caring much at all. Although his choice swear words (directed to Hewitt) at the change-of-ends made things slightly more than utterly soporific. Hewitt certainly has a gift for bringing out the absolute abysmal worst in top players almost by virtue of consistency alone, but his returning was impressive also.

I am not sure if he tanked, though maybe the thought of playing Federer did scare him, but Hewitt did make him look very ordinary at best. Hewitt told him to have a crack at the change of ends, and the only thing that was cracked was Roddick's resolve.

Fedex
11-21-2004, 01:08 AM
Like I said, after Hewitt broke Roddick in the 2nd set (the 1st time), Roddick showed a complete lack of effort, but before that he was just outplayed and didn't use the correct tactics in this match.

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 01:12 AM
Like I said, after Hewitt broke Roddick in the 2nd set (the 1st time), Roddick showed a complete lack of effort, but before that he was just outplayed and didn't use the correct tactics in this match.

Yes, from what I heard Carillo and Drysdale didn't rip into Roddick like they did to Gaudio for alleged lack of effort. Ah! the joys of inconsistency.

BaselineSmash
11-21-2004, 01:12 AM
Hewitt told him to have a crack at the change of ends, and the only thing that was cracked was Roddick's resolve.

Yes, that was bizzarre, because Hewitt seemed to be offering it as actual advice. Give it a crack is exactly what Roddick did at Queens, and Hewitt was ultimately blown off court on that occassion.

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 01:17 AM
Yes, that was bizzarre, because Hewitt seemed to be offering it as actual advice. Give it a crack is exactly what Roddick did at Queens, and Hewitt was ultimately blown off court on that occassion.

Yes, it seemed more of an advice like comment, than come on lets meet in the locker room and sort this out like men.

Hewitt actually had some chances in that match in the 1st set at Queens, but this was a trashing and it won't get any easier for him in Sevilla.

Corey Feldman
11-21-2004, 01:47 AM
Brilliant stuff today lleyton :yeah:

Corey Feldman
11-21-2004, 01:52 AM
.Although his choice swear words (directed to Hewitt) at the change-of-ends made things slightly more than utterly soporific..

he did? andy :rolleyes:
i saw andy play Ancic at queens this year, when he was broke to lose a set he sat at change of ends and said something like "how can i fucking concentrate with him grunting 3 seconds after he hits the ball"
loud enough for Mario to hear :o , they seemed to exchange some words that time as well ...

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 01:57 AM
he did? andy :rolleyes:
i saw andy play Ancic at queens this year, when he was broke to lose a set he sat at change of ends and said something like "how can i fucking concentrate with him grunting 3 seconds after he hits the ball"
loud enough for Mario to hear :o , they seemed to exchange some words that time as well ...

Yes, Andy had words to the Potato, and Hewitt handled them easily, just like he did in the match. Also he mouthed Mirnyi as well, when Max went for the towel in one of their matches, it's not like he doesn't have form for it. I have to watch it, or I will be called just a hating prick. :)

Corey Feldman
11-21-2004, 02:08 AM
well this kinda stuff goes on in mens tennis for a long time, even Lendl/pat cash (cash almost beating lendl to a pulp in a locker room in Monte carlo once, over a pair of red sneakers :D ), muster and goran/woodforde....and some of those guys would have all kinda 'wars' during matches ....
but hewitt's the last guy id try to intimidate in a verbal war.... he'll just punish ya even more........ as andy painfully found out :)

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 02:12 AM
well this kinda stuff goes on in mens tennis for a long time, even Lendl/pat cash (cash almost beating lendl to a pulp in a locker room in Monte carlo once, over a pair of red sneakers :D ), muster and goran/woodforde....and some of those guys would have all kinda 'wars' during matches ....
but hewitt's the last guy id try to intimidate in a verbal war.... he'll just punish ya even more........ as andy painfully found out :)

Hewitt I think loves the verbal and he has given it a few times as well. Then again if you are good enough, then there is no need, though with Muster it was all the time.

Corey Feldman
11-21-2004, 02:19 AM
lleyton certainly is 1 animal on court (in a nice way)
is it any coincidence that soon after andy gave him verbal, he wins 20 points in a row (two love service breaks) as his answer back ?? dont think so :o
hewitt is a ferocious competitor with a heart of a warrior, i like andy as well alot of the time, but he was made to be a bit of a boy today, hewitt= a man .

Mr_Molik
11-21-2004, 02:20 AM
lleyton :D :D :D duck for dinner tonight :D :D

Mr_Molik
11-21-2004, 02:23 AM
lmao at andy trying to beat lleyton in a mental war :haha:

brickhousesupporter
11-21-2004, 02:23 AM
What a rassing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG! I didn't expect this at al! What happened to Andy? Moreover, what happened to Lleyton?

Is this roasting the Australian version of Thanksgiving, which is Thursday????

I am very surprised.

Yess to sweet he put a rassing pon he

Auscon
11-21-2004, 02:24 AM
Although his choice swear words (directed to Hewitt) at the change-of-ends made things slightly more than utterly soporific.

For the Cmons?

if so thats bloody ridiculous.....when he does it the points over, if your weak enough to let it get to you, then tough titties

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 02:26 AM
lleyton certainly is 1 animal on court (in a nice way)
is it any coincidence that soon after andy gave him verbal, he wins 20 points in a row (two love service breaks) as his answer back ?? dont think so :o
hewitt is a ferocious competitor with a heart of a warrior, i like andy as well alot of the time, but he was made to be a bit of a boy today, hewitt= a man .

I don't like Roddick at all, but that was stupid giving Hewitt verbal, this is a guy who won Davis Cup matches in Spain and Brazil on clay, if that doesn't break him, Roddick's sledging won't.

But 20 points in a row. :haha: :haha:

Denise
11-21-2004, 02:27 AM
lmao at andy trying to beat lleyton in a mental war :haha:

:rolls: gosh, was unbelivable Andy lost to Lleyton too easily! maybe he tried the mental war ;)

Corey Feldman
11-21-2004, 02:29 AM
For the Cmons?

if so thats bloody ridiculous.....when he does it the points over, if your weak enough to let it get to you, then tough titties
i also dont mind the 'come on's' .... you hardly heaR any1 complain about the south amercians and theyre "VAMOSSS" when they win points all the time...
the main thing i like with lleyton is the "come onn balboaaa!!" or "c'mon rockyyyy" :D
in reference to his hero rocky balboa from the boxing movies off course :worship:

Corey Feldman
11-21-2004, 02:33 AM
I don't like Roddick at all, but that was stupid giving Hewitt verbal, this is a guy who won Davis Cup matches in Spain and Brazil on clay, if that doesn't break him, Roddick's sledging won't.

But 20 points in a row. :haha: :haha:
your right, i gotta think that 20 points in a row came from andy giving the verbal.... in the past he's probably broken lesser players using this, but today he realized it was a bad idea to try that kind of mind game on someone like hewitt.
lleyton's a streetfighter who relishes ppl wanting to take him on.
andy's a tough fighter himself sometimes, but not in the same league as Hewitt yet..

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 02:38 AM
your right, i gotta think that 20 points in a row came from andy giving the verbal.... in the past he's probably broken lesser players using this, but today he realized it was a bad idea to try that kind of mind game on someone like hewitt.
lleyton's a streetfighter who relishes ppl wanting to take him on.
andy's a tough fighter himself sometimes, but not in the same league as Hewitt yet..

Usually I don't make a point of criticising Roddick on his fighting spirit, as most of the time he is very good in that department. I have seen him cat some matches on clay and in Europe, but he doesn't do it at home and that's why it was puzzling to say the least.

tennischick
11-21-2004, 02:45 AM
Potato has a lot of extra Kim-rage to get out of his system. DuckyBoi picked the wrong guy to mess with today. and whoever it was that made the point (i think it was TF) that DuckBoi's return game sucks, today made that blissfully clear didn't it :devil: :devil:

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 02:47 AM
I thought Duckboy was up there with Agassi, Hewitt and Connors as the best returners of all time.

undomiele
11-21-2004, 02:53 AM
Roddick just isn't very good at adjusting his game when a plan he's committed to isn't working. Ive seen this happen to him lots of times. When things aren't really going well, he gets frustrated but doesn't try to adjust his game, he loses confidence in himself and then at some point he believes he's going to lose and then he just chucks it. I think thats what happened today. Hewitt was too good, Roddick not at his best but he kept going up to the net! Oh well. Hewitt deserved to win. He played amazingly.

Corey Feldman
11-21-2004, 02:54 AM
all the players seen as great/or best returners seem to all have double handed backhands...

tennischick
11-21-2004, 03:05 AM
I thought Duckboy was up there with Agassi, Hewitt and Connors as the best returners of all time.
sez who :confused: :confused:

Tennis Fool
11-21-2004, 03:06 AM
sez who :confused: :confused:
Sez nobody. He was being sarcastic.

tennischick
11-21-2004, 03:07 AM
Sez nobody. He was being sarcastic.
oops! i was wondering if George had lost it for a mo' there :tape: :tape:

sprinterluck
11-21-2004, 05:02 AM
Yes, from what I heard Carillo and Drysdale didn't rip into Roddick like they did to Gaudio for alleged lack of effort. Ah! the joys of inconsistency.

Carillo, Drysdale and McEnroe didn't criticize Andy for lack of effort because he really was trying.
Gaudio obviously gave up in his mind and practically tanked hitting choosing to hit some outrageously silly shots. The thing is, Roddick did not give up. He really was trying everything he could to beat Hewitt, trying in desperation like charging to the net even if his volleys were off. Andy tried. He was just plain flat footed today.

bad gambler
11-21-2004, 05:06 AM
he was outplayed by a better player today - this result doesn't make rodduck a shit player, just proves he is too one dimensional, something that hopefully he can work on in 2005

i hate rodduck but all this "i hate roddick" posts is getting a little tiresome...lets just focus on how brillaintly hewitt played and that we have the two best players fighting out for the year-end title

cheers

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 05:11 AM
Carillo, Drysdale and McEnroe didn't criticize Andy for lack of effort because he really was trying.

I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to justify their inconsistencies.

Gaudio obviously gave up in his mind and practically tanked hitting choosing to hit some outrageously silly shots. The thing is, Roddick did not give up. He really was trying everything he could to beat Hewitt, trying in desperation like charging to the net even if his volleys were off. Andy tried. He was just plain flat footed today.

Obviously you have never seen too many Gaudio matches then, he plays plenty of silly shots at unexpected times. Sure it was a different kind of match where Hewitt had to play better, and if you actually read what I said before I don't believe he actually tanked and I don't think Gaudio tanked either, but tell me did Gaudio lose 20 points in a row?

Daniel
11-21-2004, 07:17 AM
well done Lleyton ;)

Black Adam
11-21-2004, 08:38 AM
i just don't get why andy seems to tank or give up many matches when playin home ( certainly not last years USO) or indoors (Madrid last year)

Adam Thirnis
11-21-2004, 10:02 AM
lmao at andy trying to beat lleyton in a mental war :haha:

Yes noone beats Hewitt at that. It sounds like Hewitt was almost embarrassed at how easily he was winning.

Roddick has learned the ame lesson that Johanson had in New York: when you play the Aussie on a hard court you need to have more than just a
big serve or you're in trouble.

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 10:06 AM
lmao at andy trying to beat lleyton in a mental war :haha:

I hope that wasn't a tactic from Gilbert.

Deejay
11-21-2004, 10:35 AM
Theres no doubt that Hewitt got inside Roddick's head yesterday. Andy was no near his best and Hewitt was at his very best, but I still think that if both players were in top form Andy would have come out on top just like he did at Queens. But it just goes to show that if your not at your best against the likes of Hewitt, your gonna get smashed!

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 10:40 AM
Deejay, Hewitt has the perfect game to suit Roddick. Hewitt loves pace, he returns well and his court coverage is excellent and is able to make him play more shots, which frustrates Roddick.

Roddick is only at an advantage on a grasscourt, the other surfaces well there is no definite edge if they are playing on a hardcourt. Roddick doesn't win enough matches to play against Hewitt on clay. Roddick has only beaten him once, and he got thrashed in front of his own fans, that is not going to help him in future matches.

Lynne
11-21-2004, 12:06 PM
I expected this match to be a tough one.... I wanted to watch the replay but missed it..

lsy
11-21-2004, 12:09 PM
I finally got to watch this match and wow Hewitt! What a performance from him!

and Andy...I don't know to say credits to him for the courage of keep coming to net or just stupid really, his volley sucked so badly today it's painful to watch, it's either he missed it or Hewitt will just pass him comfortably. If that was BG's advice to him to keep coming to net for every match, then :o . Also exposed his inability (or stubborness?) to change tactics during matches, he just kept doing the same thing even though it's totally not working.

And coincidently enough that 20 or 22 consecutive points won by Hewitt came after a little exchange from both during the change over, I think Andy complained to Hewitt abt his loud "come on", and Hewitt said sth like "give it a fxxking crack.." that expression from him was scary and of course the come ons followed that just got even louder :tape:

This match more than showed Hewitt's capabilities, his focus and determination whereas exposed the complete opposite from Andy. It confirmed my feeling of Andy getting deflated pretty easily when the match was hardly going his way. Yes, Hewitt was great but I highly doubt it would have ended with such scoreline. The last few games, Andy basically gave up, all those errors were rather pathetic.

Looking at some of the volleys Rogi missed today, he better really watched out too tomorrow.

Crazy_Fool
11-21-2004, 12:28 PM
Wow, congrats Lleyton :worship: It just goes to show that as soon as someone can return Roddicks serve on a regular basis, he's seems like he is totally lost.

Roddicks attitude sucked today, not sure why he kept coming up to the net, it certainly wasn't working but he kept doing it.

Good luck in the final Lleyton :)

sparkus8
11-21-2004, 12:57 PM
lsy, Roddick only really started charging the net in the 2nd set and I thought at the time it wasn't that bad a tactic becuase he was getting his ass kicked when they got into rallies. He had to change something and unfortunatley for him he didn't help his cause by hitting shite volley after shite volley. If he gets a few of those over it would of put alot more pressure on Lleyton, but I think pretty much whatever Roddick tried today it would not have been enough as it seemed like it was the Hewitt of a couple of years ago out there.

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 01:01 PM
The simple reality is that Lleyton gave Roddick a hiding or a towelling this day, and the have a crack comment was funny by Lleyton.

sparkus8
11-21-2004, 01:04 PM
How good was the comment, that's all they have been showing on the Aussie news! Did they actually pick up what Roddick said to Hewitt??

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 01:08 PM
How good was the comment, that's all they have been showing on the Aussie news! Did they actually pick up what Roddick said to Hewitt??

I mean I am far from Hewitt's biggest fan and there are certain things a player has to do to beat him, but sledging is the last thing. I wonder if Gilbert told him that.

I was half asleep and laughing my head off, the thing is that I think that he was actually almost saying it in a manner as advice. :)

euroka1
11-21-2004, 01:11 PM
As I saw it, Hewitt played very well indeed but Roddick's attitude was careless right from the start and it just got worse. That's poor sportsmanship for all those folk who pay good money to see a good match.

sparkus8
11-21-2004, 01:21 PM
Nah, I am sure Roddick said something becuase Hewitt told him to 'F**k off', then said 'Have a crack mate'.

Action Jackson
11-21-2004, 01:24 PM
Nah, I am sure Roddick said something becuase Hewitt told him to 'F**k off', then said 'Have a crack mate'.

Off topic are you going to the Aus Open? I will be there.

Well one thing about Hewitt backing down is not exactly in his vocabulary, but 20 points in a row proved he didn't have a crack.

Scotso
11-21-2004, 02:58 PM
Scotso! Where have you been? And why'd you change your name?

I've been around.... but really busy with school lately.

I change my name every so often because I get bored with things quickly.

Lleyton4eva
11-21-2004, 07:32 PM
WELL DONE HEWITT!!!!!!!!!!! :) :D ;) :p :rolleyes: :cool: :worship:

Tennis Fool
11-21-2004, 10:58 PM
And coincidently enough that 20 or 22 consecutive points won by Hewitt came after a little exchange from both during the change over, I think Andy complained to Hewitt abt his loud "come on", and Hewitt said sth like "give it a fxxking crack.." that expression from him was scary and of course the come ons followed that just got even louder :tape:


:lol:

joeb_uk
11-21-2004, 11:00 PM
Its great how hewitt outplayed the duck with his tennis and then mentally outplayed him and pissed him off so much with the come ons! the duck always complains when it isnt going his way, e.g. against ancic and also against mirnyi