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Coria and Gaudio's performances at TMC 2004

Rogiman
11-19-2004, 07:15 PM
In my opinion (and I'm aware it might irritate some of the folks I care of here) it's been a disgrace!

It's one thing to have one bad loss, but being totally washed out 3 times out of 3 means you don't belong amongst the top 8.

Sure, both have their reasons (and good ones, too), and I don't doubt Coria's ability when he's healthy (when has that happened for the last time? Will it ever happen again?), but they shouldn't have turned up for the tournament as long as their form is so poor - we could use a super healthy Agassi or Nalbandian.

Havok
11-19-2004, 07:20 PM
Gaudio won a Grand Slam so he was automatically in if his health permits and it did. Coria on the other hand, I don't know what to say about that.

joeb_uk
11-19-2004, 07:24 PM
if you earn a place there you should turn up (whether or not you know your form isnt good)

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 07:25 PM
Nalbandian wasn't healthy and neither was Andre. Unless you wanted to see Canas and Pim Pim playing with Robredo as an ALT, I'm not sure how that would be better ;)

*Ljubica*
11-19-2004, 07:26 PM
I agree with Naldo. Gaudio won a Grand Slam - he earned his right to be there. Agreed he played badly tonight against Hewitt but his other matches have been much better quality and he took Roger to a tough tie-break set remember. As for Coria - think you know my views on that one.

Rogiman
11-19-2004, 07:28 PM
Nalbandian wasn't healthy and neither was Andre. Unless you wanted to see Canas and Pim Pim playing with Robredo as an ALT, I'm not sure how that would be better ;)

I didn't expect you to agree with me in the first place! ;)

Agassi and Nalbandian might not have been 100% healthy but were both in a(very) good form and I'm sure they both wouldn't have rejected an invitation had one been sent.

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 07:29 PM
I didn't expect you to agree with me in the first place! ;)

Agassi and Nalbandian might not have been 100% healthy but were both in a(very) good form and I'm sure they both wouldn't have rejected an invitation had one been sent.
I was under the impression that Nalbandian was recovering from injury and wouldn't have gone either way. Just admit it... it's your dream to see Pim Pim at the TMC.

liptea
11-19-2004, 07:30 PM
In my opinion (and I'm aware it might irritate some of the folks I care of here) it's been a disgrace!

It's one thing to have one bad loss, but being totally washed out 3 times out of 3 means you don't belong amongst the top 8.

Sure, both have their reasons (and good ones, too), and I don't doubt Coria's ability when he's healthy (when has that happened for the last time? Will it ever happen again?), but they shouldn't have turned up for the tournament as long as their form is so poor - we could use a super healthy Agassi or Nalbandian.

An injured Coria that didn't play much at the end of year and still managed to qualify doesn't belong in the top 8?

A Grand Slam champion that came back from two sets down to one of the best clay courters in the world, and then reached a slew of legitimate finals doesn't belong in the top 8?

Sure, Coria and Gaudio didn't play to their ability here. But both were struggling mentally and physically.

Give 'em a break, guys. ;)

Rogiman
11-19-2004, 07:32 PM
I was under the impression that Nalbandian was recovering from injury and wouldn't have gone either way. Just admit it... it's your dream to see Pim Pim at the TMC.

It's more like a nightmare having a Pim Pim - Duckboy double impact....

jazz_girl
11-19-2004, 07:32 PM
I've changed my point of view about Coria, he's not playing at his best, and all of us can agree with that, but he earned his places just as the rest of them. He's healthy, and he looks healthy, all he lacks is match practise and that's why he's in Houston now, to have it back. But he's been playing with a great attitude and that counts. I would have loved to see Cañas play, I'm sure he would have done great, but that didn't happen.
I'm watching Coria against Roddick now, and I have to say that even though he's not at his best, he's playing well and there are some very good points. He's improved a lot since Safin.

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 07:32 PM
I'm trying to remember if we saw threads like this when Ferrero played last year and got nearly whitewashed? He did win a set, but his performance wasn't much better, especially when you consider that it cost him number 1.

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 07:33 PM
People piss and moan about players who don't give it their all, and they *still* piss and moan when you have a player that will give it their all even then they have no shot to win. Apparently you just can't please anybody.

Rogiman
11-19-2004, 07:37 PM
An injured Coria that didn't play much at the end of year and still managed to qualify doesn't belong in the top 8?

A Grand Slam champion that came back from two sets down to one of the best clay courters in the world, and then reached a slew of legitimate finals doesn't belong in the top 8?

Sure, Coria and Gaudio didn't play to their ability here. But both were struggling mentally and physically.

Give 'em a break, guys. ;)

Again, I don't deny Coria's potential, but right now he's far from competing with the top dogs.

I enjoy watching Glaudio's game, he definitely had a great run at Roland Garros, but he's not a top 8 material, no!

I don't question the issue legally, I know both earned their spots fair and square, I just think they shouldn't have turned up if they can't at least give a decent fight.

TheBoiledEgg
11-19-2004, 07:40 PM
hopefully a Spanish guy with mega $$$ can buy the TMC
then we can all laugh at Duck

the question will then be "Does Roddick deserve to be at the TMC" ????

jazz_girl
11-19-2004, 07:41 PM
Again, I don't deny Coria's potential, but right now he's far from competing with the top dogs.

I enjoy watching Glaudio's game, he definitely had a great run at Roland Garros, but he's not a top 8 material, no!

I don't question the issue legally, I know both earned their spots fair and square, I just think they shouldn't have turned up if they can't at least give a decent fight.
Are you watching Coria's match now? I don't think he's doing that bad...and about Gaudio, he did play well against Federer, you can't judge him for just one match, even though it was terrible.

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 07:41 PM
And I think that not turning up because "I can't beat Roger and Andy" or whatever is a dumbassed reason for not showing up. Cowardly, even ;)

Anyways, people who don't like Coria, which would be most of you, wouldn't be happy no matter what he had done. So I take your opinions on him with a grain of salt, if I bother to read them at all (I obviously did bother here). I really like Coria, I'm thrilled to see him on court. Even if he loses 4 and 1 to Andy, I'm glad that he turned up. I just clapped my hands at the TV for the first time in ages. Oh, it was geeky.

jazz_girl
11-19-2004, 07:42 PM
hopefully a Spanish guy with mega $$$ can buy the TMC
then we can all laugh at Duck

the question will then be "Does Roddick deserve to be at the TMC" ????
LMAO!!! :yeah:

Havok
11-19-2004, 07:43 PM
That won't happen. Going from indoors to clay is stupid. Though if it did happen, those kinds of threads would take over GM and you know it.;)

jole
11-19-2004, 07:43 PM
Exactly, no one is saying that mathematically and "legally" Coria and Gaudo shouldn't be there, we aren't stupid. However I think it's crystal clear that it would be a more exciting tournament if someone like Canas, Johansson, Hrbaty, etc was around.

Lady
11-19-2004, 07:44 PM
People piss and moan about players who don't give it their all, and they *still* piss and moan when you have a player that will give it their all even then they have no shot to win. Apparently you just can't please anybody.

Yep, that's what MTF is all about! ;)

If Coria qualified while not playing since July, and Agassi & Nalbandian couldn't (not that nalby was healthy this year himself ;) ), then I don't see how Agassi & Nalby deserved to be here more!

Rogiman
11-19-2004, 07:47 PM
And I think that not turning up because "I can't beat Roger and Andy" or whatever is a dumbassed reason for not showing up. Cowardly, even ;)

Anyways, people who don't like Coria, which would be most of you, wouldn't be happy no matter what he had done. So I take your opinions on him with a grain of salt, if I bother to read them at all (I obviously did bother here). I really like Coria, I'm thrilled to see him on court. Even if he loses 4 and 1 to Andy, I'm glad that he turned up. I just clapped my hands at the TV for the first time in ages. Oh, it was geeky.

How many times do I have to say I like coria??? :mad:

It's not about "I can't beat Roger and Duckboy", it's about "can I at least give it a try"?

Lady
11-19-2004, 07:47 PM
And Guille just now pleased all his fans with a brilliant point!! :hearts:

i'm just so happy to see him back!

And i didn't want him to play in the begginning, but he proved me wrong! ;)

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 07:48 PM
hopefully a Spanish guy with mega $$$ can buy the TMC
then we can all laugh at Duck

the question will then be "Does Roddick deserve to be at the TMC" ????
:lol:

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 07:49 PM
How many times do I have to say I like coria??? :mad:

It's not about "I can't beat Roger and Duckboy", it's about "can I at least give it a try"?
I'm sorry, I don't know how I forgot! I apologize.

Coria is giving it a try, btw. He looks good against Roddick today.

jazz_girl
11-19-2004, 07:49 PM
And Guille just now pleased all his fans with a brilliant point!! :hearts:
I'm not a fan of his at all, but I'm really enjoying this match and watching him play so well. He's starting to look like the old Coria. Am I starting to like him? :confused: Anyway, Vamos Coria!!! LOL!

Rogiman
11-19-2004, 07:50 PM
hopefully a Spanish guy with mega $$$ can buy the TMC
then we can all laugh at Duck

the question will then be "Does Roddick deserve to be at the TMC" ????

I'll be there, you can bet on that!

*Ljubica*
11-19-2004, 07:51 PM
I'm not a fan of his at all, but I'm really enjoying this match and watching him play so well. He's starting to look like the old Coria. Am I starting to like him? :confused: Anyway, Vamos Coria!!! LOL!

You'll be glad you haven't got British Eurosport commentators then! They don't like Coria so much :devil:

Lady
11-19-2004, 07:58 PM
I'm not a fan of his at all, but I'm really enjoying this match and watching him play so well. He's starting to look like the old Coria. Am I starting to like him? :confused: Anyway, Vamos Coria!!! LOL!

Lol, yes, he's playing better with each match! :)

And another magnificent point to save 2nd break point! :hearts:

Pancakesong
11-19-2004, 07:58 PM
what do they say then?

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 08:03 PM
My commentators want to have Coria's babies. I'd forgotten how much they love him.

jazz_girl
11-19-2004, 08:06 PM
My commentators want to have Coria's babies. I'd forgotten how much they love him.
Ours too LOL!!!
Is Coria playing great or is Roddick not so goo today?

Pancakesong
11-19-2004, 08:07 PM
coria's great I suppose :worship:

alfonsojose
11-19-2004, 08:09 PM
Leave Guille alone :angel: He's fantastic. The best player ever :inlove: :tape:

*Ljubica*
11-19-2004, 08:10 PM
Ours too LOL!!!
Is Coria playing great or is Roddick not so goo today?

Well ours share the RPH view of Coria - and always have since the game he played against Henman in Cinci last year where his behaviour was really obnoxious! They're saying that he is universally unpopular with the other players and that Roddick is getting annoyed with him because of his whingeing. And before the BadReps start flying - I am only saying what British Eurposport commentators are saying - not stating my opinions.

jazz_girl
11-19-2004, 08:15 PM
Wow, Jim and Vilas sitting together! LOL!!!I wonder what they're saying...

TheBoiledEgg
11-19-2004, 08:16 PM
Vilas looks like he's shitting himself sitting next to mattress
he should have worn an Argentina shirt ;)

*Ljubica*
11-19-2004, 08:17 PM
Vilas looks like he's shitting himself sitting next to mattress
he should have worn an Argentina shirt ;)

But isn't Mac's face a picture when there's even a slight chance that Roddick might lose a point :eek:

Lady
11-19-2004, 08:24 PM
Actually Roddick & Coria exchanged with applaudes today! :p

And during opening ceremoby Guille was hanging out with Carlos & Marat, while others were walking alone! :p

Guille's coming back!! :hearts:
He's playing so well.

Lady
11-19-2004, 08:26 PM
Andy is argueing the call, and is booed by the crowd! :eek:

Carito_90
11-19-2004, 08:31 PM
Is Coria playing great or is Roddick not so goo today?

Both IMO. Andy's playing like crap :retard: And Guille's playing :worship: (compared to his last match of course)

As for the thread... the TMC is not something that you always get to play. I know Coria is gonna be back next year, I'm pretty sure bout that but Gaudio isn't. Now honestly, if you were in Gaudio's place, would you NOT play the TMC just because you think you're not enough for them knowing you'll probably never come back? Excuse me but I personally wouldn't and I'm sure many people wouldn't either.
And regarding Coria... No one seems to realize his injury is GONE, he's perfectly well physically it's just the lack of matches that is not letting him play his 100%. If only you were watching Andy-Coria right now you'd realise he's playing amazingly well and he's improving as he's been playing more matches.

So yeah if i were either of them i'd care a f*** whether people think I can give a fight or not :p

Carito_90
11-19-2004, 08:34 PM
Andy is argueing the call, and is booed by the crowd! :eek:


I thought we were over that, Andy :rolleyes:

Pancakesong
11-19-2004, 08:42 PM
VAMOS GUILLE!

jazz_girl
11-19-2004, 08:43 PM
And he broke Roddick!!! LOL!!! Well done :yeah:

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 08:44 PM
Well ours share the RPH view of Coria - and always have since the game he played against Henman in Cinci last year where his behaviour was really obnoxious! They're saying that he is universally unpopular with the other players and that Roddick is getting annoyed with him because of his whingeing. And before the BadReps start flying - I am only saying what British Eurposport commentators are saying - not stating my opinions.

Don't pretend that you don't agree with them in order to avoid bad reps.

jazz_girl
11-19-2004, 08:49 PM
Roddick won but congratulations to Coria on playing such a good match :yeah:

Lady
11-19-2004, 08:49 PM
Guille's performance in this match was amazing! :worship:
Just proves what even a little match practice can do for you!

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 08:50 PM
Thanks for not taking a bagel, Coria ;)

Lady
11-19-2004, 08:50 PM
Guille hit 20 winners in this match! :eek:

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 08:50 PM
Roddick won but congratulations to Coria on playing such a good match :yeah:
:yeah:

Thanks for making this thread, Rogifan, so that I would have a place to give Coria some cudos for playing a somewhat entertaining match :angel:

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 08:51 PM
Guille hit 20 winners in this match! :eek:
Impossible. Everybody knows that Coria doesn't hit winners. Ever. He just sits in his chair all match and waits for the other guy to miss.

Lady
11-19-2004, 08:51 PM
Thanks for not taking a bagel, Coria ;)

I was pleased with this too! ;)

Pancakesong
11-19-2004, 08:52 PM
aaw he lost:(
but he played well!!:D

fabolous
11-19-2004, 08:54 PM
finally a good game from guille here! i enjoyed it to watch, he had some great shots.

RPH
11-19-2004, 09:09 PM
I found it :lol: :lol: :lol: when Josh Goodall (I think it was him ;)) said that about Coria :)

I don't think they hate him though since Josh said when Coria was complaining and whingeing against Tim that it was 'uncharaterstic' :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I don't think it's too good that both failed to win a set and gave up in at least one match - Gaudio vs Hewitt, Coria vs Henman

Still no disappointment they've gone :)

RonE
11-19-2004, 09:27 PM
I don't think it was a disgrace at all that either Gaudio or Coria participated.

David and Andre were/are not in the best phyisical shape either, so even were they to qualify for Houston I don't know wether they would have played.

OK, let's sum up each player's matches, starting with Gaudio:

1. Federer- he started off over-awed and lost the first set 1-6 but then really picked his game up in set #2 and was Federer's equal for much of that set. This was the best set he played all tournament long, really giving the world's #1 a good run for his money.

2. Moya- admittedly I didn't see that match but from what I have heard Carlos had to play well to put Gaston away. No disgrace there- but not having more information on the match I cannot comment further.

3. Hewitt- that was the only match where Gaston really played shockingly. But he wasn't able to move freely because of his groin injury and if you are not 100% fit against Hewitt, more often than not you will get that kind of scoreline when playing against him.

Now on to Coria's performances:

1. Safin- comnig back after not playing at a competitive level for so long he was totally out of sync but managed to salvage some honour in set #2. He was just testing the water here in this match.

2. Henman- despite the 6-2,6-2 score it was much closer than that. Coria started to find some of his range and rythm, took Henman to deuce on his serve a few times and made some nice passing shots. He definitely did not go down quietly.

3. Roddick- his best match. For the first time I think he felt a bit of the way he did when he was into his groove in June. Many outstanding rallies in this match and he played a very good attacking game- Roddick was on his hind legs for significant portions of the first set. His comeback in the 2nd set from 0-5 down to 3-5 was also something that deserves accolades.

Summary: Gaudio and Coria each came into Houston for different purposes, with different long and short term goals in mind.

For Gaston, having won the FO this year, it is most unlikely he will qualify for this event again in the future so he obviously wanted to soak up the experience as a chance like this does not come by every day.

For Coria, having not played for so long he wanted some competitive match play so that he can start the 2005 season with a little bit of confidence having played against the world's top 8.

You cannot blame either one of them for participating in the event even if other contestants may have provided stiffer competition for their respective opposition.

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 09:30 PM
Nice post, RonE.

I understand that some people think that Coria came to the TMC just to satisfy his ego. Frankly, that makes no sense. He came in spite of his ego. Read his diaries on his website and it will become clear that although he always had hope, his expectations were fairly realistic.

alfonsojose
11-19-2004, 09:55 PM
I dislike the guy but he played a pretty good match *sigh* :cool:

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 10:01 PM
From his website:

To me, it would have been easy to go home and start from the beginning in 2005. But I wanted to be here despite knowing that it was going to be difficult for me to win a match. The positive thing is that I am playing painless

WyveN
11-19-2004, 10:16 PM
As for the thread... the TMC is not something that you always get to play. I know Coria is gonna be back next year, I'm pretty sure bout that but Gaudio isn't.

Not many people gave Bruguera a chance of winning FO a second time but he did, Gaudio will be one the favourites going into FO next year.

WyveN
11-19-2004, 10:19 PM
People claiming Coria and Gaudio should have given their place to Nalbandian and Agassi are crazy, none of you would if you were in their shoes.

Serve apart Coria certainly wasnt crippled by his injury and these few matches will help him in 2005.

rue
11-19-2004, 10:20 PM
Gaudio really did not put too much of a fight here especially against Hewitt. He tried against Federer, but just was not able to do anything. Coria is coming off injury and today he seemed to have played so much better against Andy and it shows that he is feeling much better now and that if he does gain more weight and gets physically stronger, he will definitely be able to beat someone like Roddick.

Neely
11-19-2004, 11:13 PM
You cannot blame either one of them for participating in the event even if other contestants may have provided stiffer competition for their respective opposition.
Very true! :worship:

joeb_uk
11-19-2004, 11:33 PM
Not many people gave Bruguera a chance of winning FO a second time but he did, Gaudio will be one the favourites going into FO next year.
I also feel that to wyve, hopefully he can challenge for the title many more times ;)

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 11:43 PM
People claiming Coria and Gaudio should have given their place to Nalbandian and Agassi are crazy, none of you would if you were in their shoes.

Serve apart Coria certainly wasnt crippled by his injury and these few matches will help him in 2005.
Well said, WyveN.

Expecting Coria to give up this TMC spot when he was quite clearly able to play is ridiculous. Expecting Gaudio, who may or may not have this chance again, to just hand his spot over to somebody else is also ridiculous.

I totally agree with you about Gaudio, btw. Assuming he's healthy, he'll certainly be a contender at next year's RG. Costa rebounded from his "surprise" title with a SF. I see no reason to think that Gaudio can't do the same.

TennisLurker
11-19-2004, 11:59 PM
gaudio did play a stinker, but I enjoyed coria's match.

He improved quickly, now I can understand why he wanted to play there.

Action Jackson
11-20-2004, 03:58 AM
They both deserved to be there and that's the end of the story.

If Agassi played a full schedule and didn't lose in the 1st round of RG then he would have qualified.

Deejay
11-20-2004, 09:46 AM
You cant slag off coria for the performance he put in, he is now way match-fit but still showed signs of the class player that he is. But with Gaudio, especially against Hewitt, looked like he was just interested in turning up for the paycheck. Shame coz we could of had Agassi playing instead but he payed the price for missing the clay-court season.

bad gambler
11-20-2004, 09:59 AM
in answer to the question posed by this thread's question...all i can say it was in line with expectations