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Judio
11-19-2004, 06:29 PM
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alfonsojose
11-19-2004, 06:40 PM
Any pics? Maybe Guga and Nadal taking a shower after a long claycourt match :drool: Guga's grip has to be huge, 4 3/4 " ;) :devil:

CooCooCachoo
11-19-2004, 07:07 PM
Only six? :o

Yoav
11-19-2004, 07:09 PM
Roddick will be the 7th :)

Rogiman
11-19-2004, 07:10 PM
Roddick will be the 7th :)

I can't believe we appear under the same flag! :o

Yoav
11-19-2004, 07:13 PM
:lol:

The_Lion_Nl
11-19-2004, 07:13 PM
what's happening all of a sudden, revival of ducknation on this board because duckie Beat hippo??

CooCooCachoo
11-19-2004, 07:15 PM
Yoav come join my game :hug:

Denise
11-19-2004, 07:16 PM
God's sake :eek: someone has to beat him at least once in MC :angel:

Yoav
11-19-2004, 07:17 PM
Yoav come join my game :hug:
i'll send you a PM about it. :)

CooCooCachoo
11-19-2004, 07:40 PM
OK I am anticipating it :p

maratski
11-19-2004, 07:45 PM
what's happening all of a sudden, revival of ducknation on this board because duckie Beat hippo??

Yes, you're fairly new to this board so you're not familiar with it.

Yoav
11-19-2004, 08:03 PM
OK I am anticipating it :p
Done :)

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 08:27 PM
And the biggest ass kick of the year (over Roger) went to Nadal! Woohoo! I don't care if Roger played with his left hand and was foaming at the mouth, it was still an ass kick :angel:

Sjengster
11-19-2004, 11:33 PM
And the biggest ass kick of the year (over Roger) went to Nadal! Woohoo! I don't care if Roger played with his left hand and was foaming at the mouth, it was still an ass kick :angel:

Quite true Rebecca, but without wanting to labour the point, I think a 100% healthy Federer would have gotten to deuce on Nadal's mighty serve at least once. ;) But Nadal did play a very good match tactically, he worked his lefty forehand high to the Federer backhand and got due reward. And Federer had no physical complaints against Kuerten at RG and in that match, after breaking Guga's opening service game, he didn't have a single breakpoint in the rest of the match.

It's interesting to note that apart from Nadal and Berdych, the players who have beaten Federer in 2004 are all experienced veterans (which explains in part Federer's unblemished record against the Top 10, because most of them are his contemporaries and therefore lack some experience and knowledge about how to play him). Costa and Kuerten are former RG champions who are simply superior claycourt players and both outclassed him on the backhand side, while I thought Hrbaty's was probably the luckiest victory out of these four because he played a rather average match but hung tough and squeezed out the deciding set. Of course, the intriguing thing is that Federer has no invincible aura as far as the Dominator is concerned, he said it himself after the match - he still thinks of Roger as the kid he grew up with in juniors larking around on court, not the world no. 1. The same can't be said of most of Federer's rivals.

I should also point out that Henman was virtually Top 10 when he beat Federer in Rotterdam, I think he was ranked about 11 at that time. Trivia question: who is the one man to have beaten both Federer and Roddick this year? :D

LCeh
11-19-2004, 11:41 PM
Trivia question: who is the one man to have beaten both Federer and Roddick this year? :D

Tim. :p

Fedex
11-19-2004, 11:44 PM
And the biggest ass kick of the year (over Roger) went to Nadal! Woohoo! I don't care if Roger played with his left hand and was foaming at the mouth, it was still an ass kick :angel:
Actually, the biggest ass kicking would probably go to Guga, maybe followed Henman.

TennisLurker
11-19-2004, 11:45 PM
Guga is the only guy Ive seen who defeated an in form Roger.

Roger pretty much sucked against nadal, berdych and hrbaty.

I did not see his match against henman.

TennisLurker
11-19-2004, 11:46 PM
yes, the only ass kicking goes to guga

Fedex
11-19-2004, 11:46 PM
. Trivia question: who is the one man to have beaten both Federer and Roddick this year? :D
Dont brag. :p Yes, a job well done for Henman, and also for being only the 2nd player in the top ten, besides Federer, to beat Roddick. He is 6-0 I belive against all other top ten players.

WyveN
11-19-2004, 11:55 PM
It's interesting to note that apart from Nadal and Berdych, the players who have beaten Federer in 2004 are all experienced veterans (which explains in part Federer's unblemished record against the Top 10, because most of them are his contemporaries and therefore lack some experience and knowledge about how to play him).


That is absolute rubbish, as is proved by a third of Federer's losses coming from totally unexperienced players playing Federer for the first time in two big events.

To say the top 10 have struggled against Federer due to lack of experience is a wild claim and isn't supported by facts.

What about Agassi who couldnt put Federer away in the fifth set despite having a definite wind advantage, a roaring home crowd and a Federer who up until that point has never had a big US Open victory?

What about Moya who has been playing the top players of both generations for a decade?

What about Hewitt who has been around for a long time, has experienced it all and has had 5 shots at Federer this year?

If anyone lacks experience it is Federer and it has been amazing how he has handled himself in pressure unfamiliar situations.

Sjengster
11-20-2004, 12:14 AM
That is absolute rubbish, as is proved by a third of Federer's losses coming from totally unexperienced players playing Federer for the first time in two big events.

To say the top 10 have struggled against Federer due to lack of experience is a wild claim and isn't supported by facts.

What about Agassi who couldnt put Federer away in the fifth set despite having a definite wind advantage, a roaring home crowd and a Federer who up until that point has never had a big US Open victory?

What about Moya who has been playing the top players of both generations for a decade?

What about Hewitt who has been around for a long time, has experienced it all and has had 5 shots at Federer this year?

If anyone lacks experience it is Federer and it has been amazing how he has handled himself in pressure unfamiliar situations.

Temper, temper. I didn't say that lack of experience was the ONLY factor in other Top 10 players losing to Federer, did I? When I refer to his contemporaries, I mean the people like Roddick and Safin and Coria - OK, discount Hewitt because of the number of victories he's had over Federer before and his status as a former world no. 1, but the one thing those four veterans have had in the past is wins over Federer - Costa beat him in a tough match in Miami last year, Henman beat him in every one of their completed matches, and Kuerten beat him in IW last year. Hrbaty, as I mentioned, is an old friend and knows his game very well. Coria had never played him before, Safin hadn't played him since 2002 and Roddick had just the one, very close victory in Montreal.

I think the young up and comers like Nadal and Berdych had no pressure because it was all new to them, playing Federer on such a big stage, while the other four felt less pressure because they've been there, done that, having played against dominant no. 1s like Sampras - admittedly without much success, but they've been there. Those in the middle have felt the pressure of being touted as Federer's main rivals and being expected to consistently challenge him.

Sjengster
11-20-2004, 12:27 AM
When I say they lack experience, I don't necessarily mean experience of playing Federer - I mean experience of playing the game in general, which can only help when you're facing a dominant no. 1 player. The more matches you've played in your career, the more different styles you've encountered and tough points you've played, the better your chances are of causing an upset.

When I said that most of the Top 10 were Federer's contemporaries I was wrong, and there are obviously individual reasons involving specific match-ups in style as to why some players have beaten Federer and others haven't (Moya has a bad game to play him, and Agassi seemingly has a mental block against him in tight matches). I remember El Aynaoui saying in Madrid last year that when Sampras was playing he was in awe of him, that he felt he was untouchable, and that he didn't feel the same about the new generation of top players like Ferrero and Federer because he's had victories against them before. True, that was before Federer's incredible 2004, but I think the older players who have beaten him this year have felt much the same way.

Chloe le Bopper
11-20-2004, 12:38 AM
Actually, the biggest ass kicking would probably go to Guga, maybe followed Henman.

Actually, speaking strictly of the score, which is what I was doing...no. It doesn't.

I also wasn't being entirely serious with my "ass kick" comment or I wouldn't have popped in how Fed was foaming at the mouth and playing left handed.

Do I need to put in a disclaimer next time? :confused:

WyveN
11-20-2004, 04:44 AM
When I refer to his contemporaries, I mean the people like Roddick and Safin and Coria - OK, discount Hewitt because of the number of victories he's had over Federer before and his status as a former world no. 1, but the one thing those four veterans have had in the past is wins over Federer - Costa beat him in a tough match in Miami last year, Henman beat him in every one of their completed matches, and Kuerten beat him in IW last year. Hrbaty, as I mentioned, is an old friend and knows his game very well.


But Agassi didn't beat Roger and he certainly has experience doing so. Henman failed to win a set in their 2 "big" matches.
Costa beat him because on clay Costa can beat anyone in the world even at this old age, Costa's belief didnt really help him at the USO.

The main reason Federer has not lost to a top 10 player this season is because he plays the big points far better then them. The reason is probably a combination of confidence, luck and talent. At least 6 or 7 times Federer has come close to defeat this year in big matches against top players but he has raised his game at those crucial times.

His 2 big losses have been at the French Open and olympics. Kuerten simply never let him into the match and completely outplayed him while Berdych strangely enough played the big points better then Federer, something no one in the top 10 has been able to do all year.

WyveN
11-20-2004, 04:49 AM
I remember El Aynaoui saying in Madrid last year that when Sampras was playing he was in awe of him, that he felt he was untouchable, and that he didn't feel the same about the new generation of top players like Ferrero and Federer because he's had victories against them before. True, that was before Federer's incredible 2004, but I think the older players who have beaten him this year have felt much the same way.

Moya said the reason he isn't intimidated by Federer like he was by past greats is because he is a nicer person. I don't think many people will be in awe after one terrific year, Federer has to prove he can back these results at least to some degree (certainly not all of them) in 2005.

Action Jackson
11-20-2004, 04:54 AM
Costa beat him because on clay Costa can beat anyone in the world even at this old age, Costa's belief didnt really help him at the USO.


He is so old, but at least he is better than Corretja. That was a very good match and Costa played very well that day and on the clay it was easier for him to exploit the few weaknesses that Rogi has.

MisterQ
11-20-2004, 05:01 AM
Trivia question: who is the one man to have beaten both Federer and Roddick this year? :D

(and Agassi, who beat Roger in Kooyong... ;) :angel: )