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How much longer till Gilbert dumps Andy!!!

henree
11-19-2004, 07:01 AM
I don't know if anyone has noticed. But there has been a very strong change in the body language of Gilbert in the last few tournaments I have seen Andy play in. Gilbert doesn't have the same enthusiasm he use to have. He seems bored and pissed off most of the time. Do you guys think Gilbert is ready to head off in a different direction? Gilbert said his most wanted coaching prospect is the William's sisters. Maybe he thinks Roddick is past his peak? Any thoughts...

^Sue^
11-19-2004, 07:09 AM
I dun really notice it..but i dun really like him.

Mrs. B
11-19-2004, 07:16 AM
Gilbert would really like to coach Roger... ;)

Lalitha
11-19-2004, 07:37 AM
Gilbert would really like to coach Roger... ;)

Nice thought, but is'nt there a speculation that Rogi is waiting for Daren Cahill - Baldy's coach?

Action Jackson
11-19-2004, 07:40 AM
Nice thought, but is'nt there a speculation that Rogi is waiting for Daren Cahill - Baldy's coach?

He has Tony Roche and that's good enough.

FrogBurger
11-19-2004, 08:07 AM
I had no idea about that. My building is not equipped for cable yet, so i have no basis to talk about Brad. Bad France, Bad.

Lynne
11-19-2004, 12:23 PM
Does Brad Gilbert still have that Metallica cap that he always wears when he watches Andy play??
Hm.... He would like to coach the Williams' Sisters?? Has he coached any female players before??

jmp
11-19-2004, 12:51 PM
Lynne, Brad coached the teenaged French woman, Golivan (sp?). She's gotten a little press this year.

henree, I hadn't noticed any new body language. I would guess that Brad wants to be with Andy when/if Andy starts to get some wins over Roger. That's where Andy is focusing and he's making great strides from the improved physique and BH I've seen this week. Andy's net play is still in and out. But, he's incorporating it on a regular basis. Plus, Brad's resume looks better if he can be with Andy and get a couple more majors like AO and another USO.

Where does the Williams sisters rumor come from? That would be a very uncharacteristic development.

alfonsojose
11-19-2004, 01:06 PM
Richard Williams should coach Andy and Brad the Williamses :lol:

Deboogle!.
11-19-2004, 01:46 PM
:confused: huh? Brad looked pretty *nervous* at the end of both of Andy's matches but he was also on his feet and chering and clapping when Andy did good stuff. I'm not sure what you're talking about :scratch:

Fumus
11-19-2004, 02:05 PM
Brad and Andy are on great terms..this is hogwash..

alfonsojose
11-19-2004, 05:10 PM
BTW, Roddick is trying to volley more :yeah:

Pea
11-19-2004, 05:29 PM
Gilbert doesn't have the same enthusiasm he use to have. He seems bored and pissed off most of the time.

I'm surprised at anyone that watches rodduck's matches as much as he does lasted this long. :o

Rogiman
11-19-2004, 05:35 PM
BTW, Roddick is trying to volley more :yeah:

Yes, and it looks rather awkward, although very effective.
Awkward yet effective, that could define Duckboy's game very well.

Sorry, Ducklanders, I would really like to say something nice about his recent victories, but I just can't.
I still don't enjoy watching his tennis, and am not impressed at all by all those TB wins, in fact, it's quite sad that one of the worst returners in the game is world #2.

Havok
11-19-2004, 05:37 PM
Gilbert also worked a bit with Mary Pierce. I don't see them spliting apart, he gets nervous out there biting his nails. He wants Andy to win out thereand you can. And the little blurb of Gilbert wanting to coach the william sisters seems like crap to me. Henree if you think Andy's past his peak, then the Williams sisters aren't necesarilly close to their peaks, they have been passed (though I would give Serena a decent shot at regaining some of her 2002 form but not back to normal).

RogiFan88
11-19-2004, 05:39 PM
why in the world w Brad want to dump Pandy -- top Amer, #2 in the world... besides, it's usually the player who dumps the coach...

Havok
11-19-2004, 05:40 PM
Yes, and it looks rather awkward, although very effective.
Awkward yet effective, that could define Duckboy's game very well.

Sorry, Ducklanders, I would really like to say something nice about his recent victories, but I just can't.
I still don't enjoy watching his tennis, and am not impressed at all by all those TB wins, in fact, it's quite sad that one of the worst returners in the game is world #2.
And Nalbandian and Coria are such shit servers, yet they have been ranked high. I don't get your point. He most definitely isn't one of the worst returner of serves, that title can go to other players ranked way lower than Andy. What he lacks in the return of serve he more than makes up for it in the service department so it evens out. If Andy's as terrible as you make him out to bee, he wouldn't be ranked #2 and won a slam and many other titles, been ranked #1, etc.

Pea
11-19-2004, 05:43 PM
He doesn't have a better return than Adam Chadaj, that's for sure.:angel:

Rogiman
11-19-2004, 05:46 PM
And Nalbandian and Coria are such shit servers, yet they have been ranked high. I don't get your point. He most definitely isn't one of the worst returner of serves, that title can go to other players ranked way lower than Andy. What he lacks in the return of serve he more than makes up for it in the service department so it evens out. If Andy's as terrible as you make him out to bee, he wouldn't be ranked #2 and won a slam and many other titles, been ranked #1, etc.

Apparently the reason he is #2 is other players' inability to break his serve and not his own ability to break others' serve, hence all the TB's.

You make a valid argument about him making up for his lack of return game by his serve - what can I say - I find decent return of seve more impressive than serving bombs, it's all about opinions here, isn't it?

lunahielo
11-19-2004, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by Mrs. B~
Gilbert would really like to coach Roger...

Really? From what I have observed and read I can't imagine their personalities
jelling. What could Gilbert help Roger with? :confused:

Rogiman
11-19-2004, 06:14 PM
Really? From what I have observed and read I can't imagine their personalities
jelling. What could Gilbert help Roger with? :confused:

He would tell Roger to switch to a double-hander, 'cause it works so wonderfully for Duckboy...

lunahielo
11-19-2004, 06:20 PM
He would tell Roger to switch to a double-hander, 'cause it works so wonderfully for Duckboy...

Thanks so much for this exciting information~~

:haha: :haha:

Havok
11-19-2004, 06:51 PM
Apparently the reason he is #2 is other players' inability to break his serve and not his own ability to break others' serve, hence all the TB's.

You make a valid argument about him making up for his lack of return game by his serve - what can I say - I find decent return of seve more impressive than serving bombs, it's all about opinions here, isn't it?
Safin played a total of 49 tiebreakers atm, Roddick has played 46. See even one of the best returners on tour plays more tie-breakers than the "worst returner of serve" on the atp tour.:p

And my bringing up his serve making up for his return was one of the many reasons why he's ranked that high. You have mentioned time and time again that you don't like Andy's game, but that's not what we're talking about here. Personal preference doesn't make people become ranked higher, its what tools you have and what you do with them.

Fee
11-19-2004, 06:52 PM
Exactly where and when did Gilbert say he wanted to work with the Williams sisters? Or did he just make the observation that coaching the Williams sisters would be a 'challenge' for whoever did it (not referring to himself at all)? Sounds like old information to me.

If Gilbert looks tired or bored at the matches, maybe it's because .... (wait for it...) ... THE TENNIS SEASON IS TOO EFFING LOOOOOONG and he wants to go home.

Rogiman
11-19-2004, 06:58 PM
Safin played a total of 49 tiebreakers atm, Roddick has played 46. See even one of the best returners on tour plays more tie-breakers than the "worst returner of serve" on the atp tour.:p

And my bringing up his serve making up for his return was one of the many reasons why he's ranked that high. You have mentioned time and time again that you don't like Andy's game, but that's not what we're talking about here. Personal preference doesn't make people become ranked higher, its what tools you have and what you do with them.

Safin is not that great a returner either.

And you're right, there are many other reasons for Duckboy's ranking:
The vast amount of tournaments played on hardcourts (esp. american hardcourts) to name one.

He's been merely exploiting a hole in the rules of the game that enables him to remain a mediocre player and still win matches solely based on his serve.

Havok
11-19-2004, 07:13 PM
That's bullshit. Claycourters can play a crapload of claycourt events throughout the whole entire year. Just go check out Gaudio's year and where he played. He played much more clay events than hardcourts. YOu can find clay events durnig the 1st quarter of the year when it should be a hardcourt season, then you have the entire clay season in the 2nd quarter, still clay events in the 3rd and 4th quarter when events should be held on grass/hard/indoors. What you DON'T see is hardcourt events being held during the clay season. There are also those kinds of loopholes, but seeing as you want to spin shit to bash Andy, I totally see why you overlooked this fact.

And I highly disagree that Safin is a shit returner of serve. He's easily one of the best out there.

henree
11-19-2004, 08:09 PM
I don't remember when Gilbert made the statement. But it is commn knowledge over on the WTA boards that Gilbert has wanted to coach WilliamsX2. Venus is on her way out. But I think Gilbert + Serena could be an explosive combination. And by the way, Safin has a great return.

tennischick
11-20-2004, 12:23 AM
Brad Gilbert had a disastrous coaching relationship with Mary Pierce and he doesn't mask his scorn for her. i can't remember what went wrong between them -- maybe he talked too fricking much as usual :rolleyes: but i know that afterwards there was no love lost between those two. i dunno why he has been more successful with Tatiana -- but he certainly seems to have a thing for coaching French-speakers :eek:

also i haven't noticed anything negative in his body language towards the Duck (altho' the reactions that the thread-starter noted certainly signaled the end of the relationship Brad and Baldy). what i did notice was a change in the Duck's body language and attitude when he talks about Brad. i's say the firing is more likely come from the Duck end of the relationship.