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Duckie def Hippo (again!) 7-6 (9-7) 7-6 (7-4)

tangerine_dream
11-18-2004, 09:41 PM
:woohoo: Andy beats Marat again! Three times in a row now. :worship: Sorry Andy-haters, there will be no feather-plucking today. :devil: There is no question that Andy is a brilliant, talented player. He is the TB king. :bowdown: :D

Thank god it only went two sets, my VCR was due to shut off at 5:30. Perfect timing as usual, Andy. :yeah:

Me so haaappeeee. Hug a Hippo today! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/fuzwadd/smileys/b_flipping.gif

Judging from their dead-even stats and the scoreline from their last few matches, it would appear that the real rivalry is between Andy and Marat. ;)

RonE
11-18-2004, 09:46 PM
Great win- yes, his game is perhaps not as fluid and aesthetic to watch as Marat's is, but when it counted the most it was Andy today who showed the greater mental grit. Being three set points down on his serve at 5-6 in that 2nd set and to just send down three howitzers to save the lot- it was almost Sampras reincarnated.

Not only that, but in set #1 after he blew the break lead he had he hung in there- had 6-3 in the 1st set tie-break was pegged back to 6-6 - he still hung in there.

Even though Marat has his oafing moments he still gave Roddick a good run for his money- it was a nail-biter to the last point...

LiZpHaIr
11-18-2004, 09:49 PM
Brilliant?

CooCooCachoo
11-18-2004, 09:50 PM
Well done Andy :D

Pea
11-18-2004, 09:55 PM
Talented?

Havok
11-18-2004, 10:05 PM
Oh?

Adam Thirnis
11-18-2004, 10:09 PM
Not such a bad result for Safin. He will have to beat Federer to win this title but will have a better chance in the 3 set semi than the final. Also if he plays Roddick again he will think he can surely beat him after losing today largely by failing to take the break point opportunities.

Neely
11-18-2004, 10:09 PM
Thanks for the thread, Tangerine!
"Duck def. Hippo" ;) ... it was the first thing I saw when I signed on here after coming home :D

OMG OMG Andy, really awesome how he does it in these tie-breaks! :worship:

INCREDIBLE!

I didn't see the match, but to the result I say: VERY WELL DONE, Andy!!! :) :D :clap2:

Fedex
11-18-2004, 10:10 PM
Well done for him, but we all know he wont be able to avoid Federer forever. :)

Fee
11-18-2004, 10:12 PM
Somewhere in a recent thread I posted about how much I was looking forward to 2005, and the great matches that we would see if all the guys were healthy and well- rested. We've seen a good indication of that this week including this match (even Gaudio has been fun to watch). Roger and Andy may develop into a rivalry next year, but Andy and Marat are interesting to watch because of their contrasts (similar to Agassi-Sampras). Its also good to see Henman playing so well. Throw a healthy Nalbandian into the mix and tennis could become very popular next year in spite of ESPN's mediocre coverage.

Satanic Pasteur
11-18-2004, 10:16 PM
He is the TB king.

He is not, Roger is...
35/11 for Duck (76,1%)
20/5 for God (80%)

Roddick could only be tiebreak king by winning some when it really counts (that is to say against Roger) and it will never happen :devil:

Andy can breath one more day, but the Duck is just ducking the Federer issue ;)

:mad: At mattress Mac shouting for "his" guy, so lame behaviour from an organizer :o

Horatio Caine
11-18-2004, 10:17 PM
Who'd bet against Andy finally beating Federer again? I don't think I would with Andy playing the big points SO WELL. I wouldn't be surprised if Andy emerges the winner here. You heard it first here! ;)

WyveN
11-18-2004, 10:22 PM
Who'd bet against Andy finally beating Federer again? I don't think I would with Andy playing the big points SO WELL. I wouldn't be surprised if Andy emerges the winner here. You heard it first here! ;)

He will have to play far far better then he did today. (Didnt you also predict Hewitt to beat Federer?) Roddick played no where near as well as he did against Henman and Safin was no where near his indoor form.

I expected more from this match but it is very hard to separate these 2 players, Andy seems to be more solid mentally and that may be enough to maintain a edge over Safin.

By the way I have a feeling Henman will beat Safin and it will be a Henman v Federer semi.

Neely
11-18-2004, 10:26 PM
He is not, Roger is...
35/11 for Duck (76,1%)
20/5 for God (80%)
I know, I know ;) ... percentage-wise it's Roger and therefore your calculation is correct, but Andy's 76.1% are really really very strong and unbelievably significant, especially taking into consideration that he has played 21 more tie-breaks than Roger.

lina_seta
11-18-2004, 10:29 PM
He will have to play far far better then he did today. (Didnt you also predict Hewitt to beat Federer?) Roddick played no where near as well as he did against Henman and Safin was no where near his indoor form.

By the way I have a feeling Henman will beat Safin and it will be a Henman v Federer semi.

maybe cuz andy is intimidated with the H2H record.. :scared:
and that takes away his confidence..


Henman v Federer... mmm i dont think so.. im not convinced

WyveN
11-18-2004, 10:31 PM
maybe cuz andy is intimidated with the H2H record.. :scared:
and that takes away his confidence..


Roddick had a better H2H with Safin then with Henman yet played better against Henman so I am not sure what your talking about.

Fedex
11-18-2004, 10:32 PM
I know, I know ;) ... percentage-wise it's Roger and therefore your calculation, but Andy's 76.1% are really really very strong and unbelievably significant, especially taking into consideration that he has played 21 more tie-breaks than Roger.
Roger doesn't play many tiebreaks, because he doesn't usually have to to win sets, unlike Roddick. I go by % won, so Federer still gets the nod here.

lina_seta
11-18-2004, 10:38 PM
Roddick had a better H2H with Safin then with Henman yet played better against Henman so I am not sure what your talking about.

ahh this forum is weird.. it swings from one thing to the other..
it is "roger owns andy" and now.. andy will win!
it is "gaston is the joke" and then.. gaston will make it to the semis
it is "safin is red hot" and then... he wont make it to the semis...

but i guess everyone has to accept that an 8-1 H2H is no coincidence... there are more chances of roger beating andy than the other way round.. though in a bad day anything can happen... thats the point

Havok
11-18-2004, 10:40 PM
Yeah Fed get's the nod in terms of % this year, it's just that people automatically think Roddick when talking about tie-breakers since he does play quite a few of them and wins the huge majority of them because of his serve.

WyveN
11-18-2004, 10:42 PM
ahh this forum is weird.. it swings from one thing to the other..
it is "roger owns andy" and now.. andy will win!
it is "gaston is the joke" and then.. gaston will make it to the semis
it is "safin is red hot" and then... he wont make it to the semis...

but i guess everyone has to accept that an 8-1 H2H is no coincidence... there are more chances of roger beating andy than the other way round.. though in a bad day anything can happen... thats the point

I wasn't talking about Federer-Roddick.

merle
11-18-2004, 11:04 PM
Oh, Fed will win Andy in the final for sure. Fed the GOD!! :worship: :worship:

LDVTennis1
11-18-2004, 11:13 PM
I know, I know ;) ... percentage-wise it's Roger and therefore your calculation is correct, but Andy's 76.1% are really really very strong and unbelievably significant, especially taking into consideration that he has played 21 more tie-breaks than Roger.

Forgive me for interjecting. You'll usually find me over at WTAWorld, but I just couldn't resist saying something in response to this.

I don't see how anyone could consider having to play 21 more tie-breaks a virtue. To me, that means that Andy can't break his opponent's serve enough to win the set without playing a tiebreaker.

In fact, I am beginning to think that a good predictor of his ultimate chances against Roger in the final might be the number of tiebreak or 7/5 sets he plays prior to meeting Roger. The more he plays, the poorer his chances are. The fewer he plays, the better his chances.

What is the correlation? Conceptually at least, it is a given that with a better return of serve Roger is going to have the chance to break Andy's serve no matter how well Andy serves. In order to stay with Roger then, Andy has to be able to threaten Roger on his own serve. But, if prior to playing Roger Andy is already having trouble breaking other player's serves, one already has reason to doubt that he will be able to do any better against Roger.

Now, the two tiebreak sets played today deviate from most of Andy's previous tiebreak sets in one imporant way. In both, Andy broke Safin's serve only to have his serve broken to set up a tiebreak. Now, there is something good for Andy in that, and something bad. The good thing is that he was competitive in Safin's service games. Here is the first part of the bad: He was competitive because he got into an offensive position at the net. Against Roger's amazing variety of passing shots and lobs, even better net players have failed to get an edge against Federer on his serve. The second part of the bad is that Andy got broken at all. If Safin can break Andy with his all court game, then Roger should have even more chances.

Mr. Man
11-18-2004, 11:19 PM
:banana:

lucashg
11-18-2004, 11:23 PM
He will have to play far far better then he did today. (Didnt you also predict Hewitt to beat Federer?) Roddick played no where near as well as he did against Henman and Safin was no where near his indoor form.

I expected more from this match but it is very hard to separate these 2 players, Andy seems to be more solid mentally and that may be enough to maintain a edge over Safin.

By the way I have a feeling Henman will beat Safin and it will be a Henman v Federer semi.

I wouldn't mind, really. From most posts I've read from jez towards Federer there's a mention that a TOP10 player will defeat him. Maybe he wants to be the one who told you so when it finally happens (it will someday, of course, though I hope it won't be this year anymore)....

I wouldn't mind seeing Henman in the semis instead of Safin, though I like Safin way more. But I guess it might be easier for Federer, but maybe not..

tennischick
11-18-2004, 11:25 PM
:mad: :fiery:

Blaze
11-18-2004, 11:25 PM
Do any one happen to know which match ESPN is showing tonight?

Neely
11-18-2004, 11:31 PM
Forgive me for interjecting. You'll usually find me over at WTAWorld, but I just couldn't resist saying something in response to this.

I don't see how anyone could consider having to play 21 more tie-breaks a virtue. To me, that means that Andy can't break his opponent's serve enough to win the set without playing a tiebreaker.

In fact, I am beginning to think that a good predictor of his ultimate chances against Roger in the final might be the number of tiebreak or 7/5 sets he plays prior to meeting Roger. The more he plays, the poorer his chances are. The fewer he plays, the better his chances.

What is the correlation? Conceptually at least, it is a given that with a better return of serve Roger is going to have the chance to break Andy's serve no matter how well Andy serves. In order to stay with Roger then, Andy has to be able to threaten Roger on his own serve. But, if prior to playing Roger Andy is already having trouble breaking other player's serves, one already has reason to doubt that he will be able to do any better against Roger.

Now, the two tiebreak sets played today deviate from most of Andy's previous tiebreak sets in one imporant way. In both, Andy broke Safin's serve only to have his serve broken to set up a tiebreak. Now, there is something good for Andy in that, and something bad. The good thing is that he was competitive in Safin's service games. Here is the first part of the bad: He was competitive because he got into an offensive position at the net. Against Roger's amazing variety of passing shots and lobs, even better net players have failed to get an edge against Federer on his serve. The second part of the bad is that Andy got broken at all. If Safin can break Andy with his all court game, then Roger should have even more chances.
Everything true what you are saying there. But I didn't try predicting the outcome of a Roddick vs Federer match.

Yes, you are right, it's not necessarily good that Andy has to play so many tie-breaks because it means that he can't break his opponents' serve often enough. But that's not the point when I was talking solely about tie-break records.

When I said "Andy played 21 more tie-breaks than Roger", I was mainly talking about tie-break records and about the resulting percentages. And when talking about percentages, you always also have to take into consideration what amount of data leads to this percentage. And yes, the more tie-breaks you play, the more significant is the resulting percentage.

And that's what I said.

And that's why I think that Andy's 76,1% (or somewhat...) can be considered as quite equal, if not even superior to Roger's 80% because Andy's data is more significant.

*M*
11-18-2004, 11:36 PM
Do any one happen to know which match ESPN is showing tonight?ESPN's site says Federer vs Moya.

Horatio Caine
11-18-2004, 11:42 PM
He will have to play far far better then he did today. (Didnt you also predict Hewitt to beat Federer?) Roddick played no where near as well as he did against Henman and Safin was no where near his indoor form.

I expected more from this match but it is very hard to separate these 2 players, Andy seems to be more solid mentally and that may be enough to maintain a edge over Safin.

By the way I have a feeling Henman will beat Safin and it will be a Henman v Federer semi.

I was hoping Roddick would edge Safin 7/6 6/7 7/6 and make the Hippo exhausted for Henman - still, I'm grateful that Duck swam to victory.

Tim has the game to beat Safin...but I'm not convinced he will. If he comes out nervous and plays like he did at the start against Coria (no first serves) he'll struggle really badly. If, and I hope he does, he comes out fired up and serving well in particular, I think he'll do it. He'll have to be prepared to win a tiebreak for once though!

Yes I did predict Hewitt would beat Federer but I didn't know Hewitt was ill.... :)

I stand by my prediction that Federer won't win the tournament though. :)

Blaze
11-18-2004, 11:45 PM
ESPN's site says Federer vs Moya.

Thanks

croat123
11-18-2004, 11:45 PM
safin didn't play nearly as well as he did in europe. oh well hoping for a safin vs. moya final now w/marat winning

makro120
11-18-2004, 11:55 PM
Federer is 6-1 tiebreaks against Roddick. That decides everything, federer is the TB king, he also is better saving break points then Roddick, he even ace Roddick more than Roddick ace Federer in matches between them!

Federer beats Roddick in everything, it is not even funny anymore.

superpinkone37
11-19-2004, 12:07 AM
yay andy :) :yeah:

it sounds like it was a great match. it really does look like andy/marat is the real rivalry ;)

Buddy
11-19-2004, 12:12 AM
Marat :sad:

Well done Andy!! :)

PennyThePenguin
11-19-2004, 12:16 AM
:woohoo: Andy beats Marat again! Three times in a row now. :worship: Sorry Andy-haters, there will be no feather-plucking today. :devil: There is no question that Andy is a brilliant, talented player. He is the TB king. :bowdown: :D

Thank god it only went two sets, my VCR was due to shut off at 5:30. Perfect timing as usual, Andy. :yeah:

Me so haaappeeee. Hug a Hippo today! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/fuzwadd/smileys/b_flipping.gif

Judging from their dead-even stats and the scoreline from their last few matches, it would appear that the real rivalry is between Andy and Marat. ;)


tangy...u know i generally love u... but..... :smash: :smash: :smash:

but :sad: i watched the match and both played real good. like lotsa ppl have said. it was an interesting match. the scoreline was just the wrong way round :p

and MAC! pfffffffffft. don't get me started on that guy....don't know if anyone else saw this lil bit of footage. but they showed security ushering this guy with a lil russian flag into another seat. according to the commentators. he was sitting near mac and mac fdidnt' like it pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft

drf716
11-19-2004, 12:34 AM
andy can't do anything about federer. im still hoping marat gets to beat that guy! aaaaarrrrggghhhh!!!

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 01:23 AM
I thought that Andy was looking pretty good out there today. I only saw the second set though, so meh.

Havok
11-19-2004, 01:37 AM
Both sets were played just about the same, in regards to winners/errors and the quality of play, so as long as you caught one, you kinda caught it all.;)

Billabong
11-19-2004, 02:15 AM
Marat:sad:

star
11-19-2004, 02:34 AM
Both sets were played just about the same, in regards to winners/errors and the quality of play, so as long as you caught one, you kinda caught it all.;)

The winner/error stats may have been the same, but the game was a lot different in the second than in the first with Marat coming to the net much more in the second than in the first.

I thought that was a good tactic from Marat and I thought he should have stayed with it a bit more. Andy was hitting from so far behind the baseline that his shots were landing a bit short giving Marat chances for good approach shots.

I was also happy with Andy's game. He was mentally very tough, made some tough volleys, and hit some great passing shots. There were things I wasn't happy about too, but since everything turned out ok, I won't be picky. :)

RogiFan88
11-19-2004, 02:40 AM
Marat was v disappointing today... he s have won that 2nd set... well, and the 1st for that matter... no intensity... guess all his recent wins took it out of him finally... too bad!

hitchhiker
11-19-2004, 02:59 AM
finally finally finally the rewards are happening for volleys and backhand practice. still not even close to where they could be but he will get there.

has he improved enough to beat federer yet? probably not on a consistent time but he might get lucky in houston and then carry it over into next year to dominate once he finally reaches his potential.

bad luck haters, even 6 months ago roddick could volley/hit backhands nothing like he is now and there definetly further improvement ahead not to mention the pies.

Fedex
11-19-2004, 03:06 AM
finally finally finally the rewards are happening for volleys and backhand practice. still not even close to where they could be but he will get there.

has he improved enough to beat federer yet? probably not on a consistent time but he might get lucky in houston and then carry it over into next year to dominate once he finally reaches his potential.

bad luck haters, even 6 months ago roddick could volley/hit backhands nothing like he is now and there definetly further improvement ahead not to mention the pies.
:lol: :rolls: You never dissapoint me with you're humor! :)

hitchhiker
11-19-2004, 03:12 AM
that post was 100% serious but if you want to treat it like troll then go ahead and laugh

Peter "jubba the hut" lundgren looked angry that safin couldnt win, i saw one kid ask jubba for autograph on federer poster and jubba almost cried

BlackSilver
11-19-2004, 03:49 AM
Don't agree...........One of the main reasons was that Roddick doesn't gave Safin a chance to get rhythm. He intercalated slices with hard balls because he knows that if Safin gets rhythm, he is simply superior. The other reason was that he simply played to well the big point, just like against Henman. A minor reason was that Roddicks' forehand was on fire

Yes, Safin had his chances, but in the majority of the cases, was Roddick that was too annihilator. Safin will not always plays a magnificent tennis against very strong adversaries

I didn't see most of the Federer's matches, but based on comments in this board, Roddick's game is the better at the moment.

Off course that this doesn't say much, was a similar situation in Toronto, with Roddick destroying his adversaries and Federer not playing so well, but in the end, everyone knows what happened....

But federer' magic will fail, sooner or later......

makro120
11-19-2004, 03:55 AM
Henman and Safin didn't take their chanses in their respective matches, that is why Roddick won. However I expect a hard match between nr2 and 3 in the semi final.

BlackSilver
11-19-2004, 04:24 AM
Henman and Safin didn't take their chanses in their respective matches, that is why Roddick won. However I expect a hard match between nr2 and 3 in the semi final.

In most cases, Roddick came with aces or winners serves or with massive forehands against safin, and with aces/winners serves/massives backhands
against Henman

Roddick was brilliant in most of these points.

And in the other few cases.......

What they could make? Attacking all time?

Yes......They could have done this and won the important points...........but they also could attack and make mistakes and lost in a similar way.......Both probably were too nervous and didn't want to risk. Imagine what was going on the head of both. Roddick almost never gave easy balls to both

Isn't soo easy.......

:)

Deboogle!.
11-19-2004, 04:32 AM
BlackSilver, you must be new here. (Hi and welcome, btw!) You'll soon learn that here at MensTennisForums, Andy never wins a match because he plays well and deserves it - his opponents choke, he gets lucky, and he gets preferential treatment from all the tournaments he does well in, of course. Just so you know ;)

Arcadion
11-19-2004, 04:47 AM
BlackSilver, you must be new here. (Hi and welcome, btw!) You'll soon learn that here at MensTennisForums, Andy never wins a match because he plays well and deserves it - his opponents choke, he gets lucky, and he gets preferential treatment from all the tournaments he does well in, of course. Just so you know ;)
:haha:

Deboogle!.
11-19-2004, 04:49 AM
Gotta help out the newbies, y'know? ;)

lsy
11-19-2004, 05:01 AM
BlackSilver, you must be new here. (Hi and welcome, btw!) You'll soon learn that here at MensTennisForums, Andy never wins a match because he plays well and deserves it - his opponents choke, he gets lucky, and he gets preferential treatment from all the tournaments he does well in, of course. Just so you know ;)

Yes Bunk no doubt, I agree most here tend to dislike Andy but honestly I had also read enough praise for Andy's game and credit given to him, yes even from those "haters" here.

Besides, honestly, you tend to do the same, I don't think I had read once from you for the past year in MTF of Rogi's matches being either bad, boring, his opponents playing horribly/tired/mentally not there, or simply why do they even bother to turn up. Majority of the time, you can't see the good of Rogi game but only focus on what his opponents didn't do. I had come to accept that you simply dislike Rogi's game and that's fine.

Just thought of pointing out to you and the newbies ;)

Deboogle!.
11-19-2004, 05:10 AM
lsy, it was just a joke. obviously there are a very select few people who actually do that. I thought it was pretty clear I was kidding :(

And anyway, I have no problems with Roger's game whatsoever, I don't know why you think to the contrary. I personally don't find it exciting to sit and watch for long periods of time, but that's just my personal taste, there is certainly nothing wrong with his game and I don't say that Roger only wins when his opponents did something wrong/were tired/whatever... I mean, I may have said it about some particular match here or there when I thought that to be the case, but we've all said that about all players. but I certainly have not said it with any regularity, and especially not almost every time he wins a match like some people do about Andy simply because they dislike him. that would be ridiculous!! And I thought we had made progress last night :)

Bubble
11-19-2004, 05:15 AM
Don't agree...........One of the main reasons was that Roddick doesn't gave Safin a chance to get rhythm. He intercalated slices with hard balls because he knows that if Safin gets rhythm, he is simply superior. The other reason was that he simply played to well the big point, just like against Henman. A minor reason was that Roddicks' forehand was on fire

Yes, Safin had his chances, but in the majority of the cases, was Roddick that was too annihilator. Safin will not always plays a magnificent tennis against very strong adversaries

I didn't see most of the Federer's matches, but based on comments in this board, Roddick's game is the better at the moment.

Off course that this doesn't say much, was a similar situation in Toronto, with Roddick destroying his adversaries and Federer not playing so well, but in the end, everyone knows what happened....

But federer' magic will fail, sooner or later......


Exactly, Roddick and Brad got spot on in their tactics against Marat today...

Q. You seemed to vary your game a little bit today. Is that an approach for Safin or just anyone you play?

RODDICK: You know, a lot of people, especially for Marat , I can't stand there and hit toe-to-toe just flat balls, nonstop with him. He's great at that. I have to mix it up. I have to try coming in a little bit. I think you have to keep him guessing. If he gets in a groove where he's teeing off on forehands and backhands, it's probably going to be a disappointing afternoon.

Q. Earlier on today, Marat described your tactic of using the single-handed backhand slice as "clever" because it deprived him of too many opportunities to rip his backhand up the line. Does the kudos go to Brad for this tactic?

RODDICK: I'd say it's a combo. Like I just said, Marat likes getting the backhand rallies where he can just pick a spot and pull the trigger up the line. I mean, that's what he's good at. He's better than I am at that. There's no reason to get into that contest.

That fantastic quarterfinal loss at AO this year gave Andy valuable lessons... But Marat stayed stagnant and played his usual game.
Marat and Peter should work harder at out-smarting Andy and Brad in their next match-up and not use the same game plan anymore. It's not working... :o

Neely
11-19-2004, 05:18 AM
good post, lsy... but doesn't it go the same way for so many people being fans of so many different players?

For example, where do you read by the, lets call them "100% Federer fans" that Carlos played a good match, that Carlos also was injured before the Masters Cup, that Carlos went with low confidence to the Masters Cup, that Carlos had to wait the whole day and many hours yesterday until late evening because his afternoon match got rained out, that Carlos had just two hours less rest than Roger?

Instead of that, people say "Roger's serve was bad today" (despite he was over 70%, lots of aces, two double faults over three sets), "Roger made too many unforced errors" (despite Carlos took it right on Roger and whipped him over the court with his forehand in some rallies... maybe Carlos also played some good points?! :rolleyes: and first you have to get so far to get Roger into making unforced errors), "Roger played very late yesterday" (despite Carlos had just two hours less rest and waited hours for nothing for his afternoon match).

:shrug:

lsy
11-19-2004, 05:28 AM
lsy, it was just a joke. obviously there are a very select few people who actually do that. I thought it was pretty clear I was kidding :(

And anyway, I have no problems with Roger's game whatsoever, I don't know why you think to the contrary. I personally don't find it exciting to sit and watch for long periods of time, but that's just my personal taste, there is certainly nothing wrong with his game and I don't say that Roger only wins when his opponents did something wrong/were tired/whatever... I mean, I may have said it about some particular match here or there when I thought that to be the case, but we've all said that about all players. but I certainly have not said it with any regularity, and especially not almost every time he wins a match like some people do about Andy simply because they dislike him. that would be ridiculous!! And I thought we had made progress last night :)

I'm really not trying to argue with you here Bunk, I just thought it's probably easy to relate if I point out your similar case for Rogi, which honestly you certainly had made quite a few (I believe perharps 90% of his matches you got to watch? ;) ), I used to :rolleyes: at those, but like I said I came to accept that coz I will probably do the same when comes to Andy's matches (though I tend to just not post about it, or I just bitch about it in PM with others who will feel the same ;) )

I know Andy probably get it more often than other players here, but to be fair as I had said, he had gotten enough credit on his game from his "haters" too, but there are times when I read basically anything comes out from these "haters" are automatically just "hating" despite it might be justifiable. Just tiresome to read really.

haas'luv
11-19-2004, 05:32 AM
awwwwwwwwww:( i thought marat mite win the game,but seems andy played better.

lsy
11-19-2004, 05:34 AM
good post, lsy... but doesn't it go the same way for so many people being fans of so many different players?

For example, where do you read by the, lets call them "100% Federer fans" that Carlos played a good match, that Carlos also was injured before the Masters Cup, that Carlos went with low confidence to the Masters Cup, that Carlos had to wait the whole day and many hours yesterday until late evening because his afternoon match got rained out, that Carlos had just two hours less rest than Roger?

Instead of that, people say "Roger's serve was bad today" (despite he was over 70%, lots of aces, two double faults over three sets), "Roger made too many unforced errors" (despite Carlos took it right on Roger and whipped him over the court with his forehand in some rallies... maybe Carlos also played some good points?! :rolleyes: and first you have to get so far to get Roger into making unforced errors), "Roger played very late yesterday" (despite Carlos had just two hours less rest and waited hours for nothing for his afternoon match).

:shrug:

I believe I had answered these in the other post of mine in the other thread, Neely. Once again, there will always be people making excuses anytime for their favourites, and it will always be easier for you or me to point out the stupidity/irrelevanve when those excuses are on players who're not our favourites.

Honestly, there might be few posters saying those things as you pointed out, but there will also be other posters who had more valuable inputs that I tend to pay more focus upon. I guess if we had been in this forum long enough, we certainly know who contribute fairer on what topics and what not, I tend to do that when come to reading posts here in MTF.

BlackSilver
11-19-2004, 05:44 AM
BlackSilver, you must be new here. (Hi and welcome, btw!) You'll soon learn that here at MensTennisForums, Andy never wins a match because he plays well and deserves it - his opponents choke, he gets lucky, and he gets preferential treatment from all the tournaments he does well in, of course. Just so you know ;)

Thanks! :)

I just want to give Roddick the credit that he deserves for his great match :)

Neely
11-19-2004, 05:46 AM
Sure, I'm glad that we have the same understanding about that, lsy! :yeah:

Action Jackson
11-19-2004, 06:01 AM
It wasn't a great match, and Marat definitely had an oaf moment with a club volley at 7-7 in the 1st tiebreaker.

Hippo wasn't playing that well, and ddin't convert his chances, to be fair when he had the set points the last two of them the Duck pulled out some top serves. Duck took his chances and played the bigger points better and therefore the Duck escaped for now and deserved to win the match.

Daniel
11-19-2004, 06:09 AM
Marat :rolleyes:

Five
11-19-2004, 06:11 AM
Marat :sad:

Five
11-19-2004, 06:12 AM
maybe Marat will play Roger Federer in the semis ;)

drf716
11-19-2004, 06:31 AM
maybe Marat will play Roger Federer in the semis ;)
what a thought!
i really want him to beat that andy sooner or later! now! before he sees of roger.

WyveN
11-19-2004, 09:39 AM
I didn't see most of the Federer's matches, but based on comments in this board, Roddick's game is the better at the moment.


I would watch matches and judge for myself rather then relying on MTF opinions which are all over the place.

yanchr
11-19-2004, 11:32 AM
good post, lsy... but doesn't it go the same way for so many people being fans of so many different players?

For example, where do you read by the, lets call them "100% Federer fans" that Carlos played a good match, that Carlos also was injured before the Masters Cup, that Carlos went with low confidence to the Masters Cup, that Carlos had to wait the whole day and many hours yesterday until late evening because his afternoon match got rained out, that Carlos had just two hours less rest than Roger?

Instead of that, people say "Roger's serve was bad today" (despite he was over 70%, lots of aces, two double faults over three sets), "Roger made too many unforced errors" (despite Carlos took it right on Roger and whipped him over the court with his forehand in some rallies... maybe Carlos also played some good points?! :rolleyes: and first you have to get so far to get Roger into making unforced errors), "Roger played very late yesterday" (despite Carlos had just two hours less rest and waited hours for nothing for his afternoon match).

:shrug:
But is it understandable that one will always focus more on his favorite, what's good in him, as well as what's bad? What sounds like excuses for you probably turns out to be the actual facts for the particular fans. I think it's natural, as long as they don't go to extremes.

Plus I read many Fed fans were saying Carlos played a good match.

Drimal
11-19-2004, 11:43 AM
Marat :sad: :wavey:


I love these power matches Marat Safin-Andy Roddick! Both have great serve and they have fighting spirit! :D

Marat Safin was playing really good but unfortunately for him Andy Roddick was playing overwhelming! He was somehow the best of two great players.




:worship: MARAT SAFIN :worship:


Go on Marat! Beat Henman and qualify for the semis! I know that you can win the Masters Cup! :devil:

Asar
11-19-2004, 11:47 AM
Oh my gas. I am not come here long time and see the Andy Rodick is play very good tennis to beat the Marat safin. wowowwowwowwwwowwww congratulations.
the man look like american flag is the grandfather of Rodick? :confused:

BaselineSmash
11-19-2004, 12:11 PM
the man look like american flag is the grandfather of Rodick? :confused:

Ha. It's easy to mistake him for Roddick's gramps.

Vass
11-19-2004, 12:30 PM
Sincerest congrats to the Duck!
And sincerest pitty for Safin. Having 7 BPs against Roddick is great play, I presume, but you gotta take it (for Christ's sake Andy had only 3!). Gotta stop hesistating on important points! Do it and you're on top of the game!

Vass
11-19-2004, 01:08 PM
I was hoping Roddick would edge Safin 7/6 6/7 7/6 and make the Hippo exhausted for Henman - still, I'm grateful that Duck swam to victory.


Cruel.

alfonsojose
11-19-2004, 01:16 PM
Andy has improved a lot. The backhand is still :scared: for the eyes but it's improving.

PennyThePenguin
11-19-2004, 01:30 PM
Gotta help out the newbies, y'know? ;)


sure deb! help them out ;) don't want them drowning in the pond :angel: :hug:

Deboogle!.
11-19-2004, 01:45 PM
sure deb! help them out ;) don't want them drowning in the pond :angel: :hug:

nooooo :kiss: that would be too mean ;)

Exactly, Roddick and Brad got spot on in their tactics against Marat today...

Yes, absolutely. I don't think it's a coincidence that Andy lost their first match this year very very tight and then changed tactics and won the next THREE. He knew he had to come to net more, improve his movement, improve his slice, etc. And he's actually gone and done it. I've seen all four of the matches they've played this year and every single one of them is a favorite of mine. I'm sure they'll continue to have great high-quality matches in the future and I am sure that Marat will win plenty of them. But this year, Andy and Brad figured out what to do - and even more importantly, Andy executed it at the biggest moments - that's been the only difference between these two guys in their last three matches.

Fumus
11-19-2004, 02:08 PM
Ohhh..haha..I love it...the haters are quieted...just wait til Andy wins the cup then you will have to shut up for the whole off season.

murray3110
11-19-2004, 02:27 PM
This is awful! I really didn't want to see Roddick win 3/3. But at least one of my favourite players (Henman and Safin) will go through to the semis :-) Not sure who I would prefer!

WyveN
11-19-2004, 02:30 PM
Ohhh..haha..I love it...the haters are quieted...just wait til Andy wins the cup then you will have to shut up for the whole off season.

maybe some famous mtf trolls will make a come back to, right?

Pea
11-19-2004, 02:48 PM
Ohhh..haha..I love it...the haters are quieted...just wait til Andy wins the cup then you will have to shut up for the whole off season.

I'm gonna hold you to this.:haha:

tangerine_dream
11-19-2004, 02:54 PM
I just want to give Roddick the credit that he deserves for his great match :)

You'll be one of the few who does. Thank you and welcome. :wavey:

RPH
11-19-2004, 02:56 PM
Marat :fiery: :bigcry: :tears:

WyveN
11-19-2004, 03:03 PM
You'll be one of the few who does. Thank you and welcome. :wavey:

Haven't seen you give much credit to Safin for his victories.

tangerine_dream
11-19-2004, 03:05 PM
Haven't seen you give much credit to Safin for his victories.

I don't take away from his victories, either.

And he hasn't been his usual whiny self in post-match interviews so props to him for that :yeah:

WyveN
11-19-2004, 03:07 PM
I don't take away from his victories, either.


Who has taken away from Roddicks victories? I bet there are far more positive then negative comments about the 2 matches Roddick has played at Houston so far both in GM and in the live scoring threads.

lsy
11-19-2004, 03:13 PM
You'll be one of the few who does. Thank you and welcome. :wavey:

Are you sure? I read through the whole thread and there are far more credits given to Andy. I just don't understand why a few Andy fans just coudn't see it and have to focus on the one or two negative ones then continue to call everybody haters? :confused:

junekidd
11-19-2004, 03:44 PM
I just saw the replay of the andy-marat match. sorry it is too late to congrats Andy. it is a great match for andy. he played decidedly on those crucial points. he deserved those TBs. andy's improvements in all aspects are very impressive too! his BH ahd volleys worked amazing! anyway, congrats, Andy and his fans. :)

Denise
11-19-2004, 04:00 PM
Hippo :sad:

Bibir
11-19-2004, 04:03 PM
I thought that you liked the hippo Tangy! you even posted cute avatars and funny pics of him on Marat's forum. :shrug:

Is it all about Hippo v Duck war?

WyveN
11-19-2004, 04:08 PM
Is it all about Hippo v Duck war?

its all about Tangy trying to get a reaction out of people, rule number one of trolling.

Havok
11-19-2004, 04:08 PM
Sincerest congrats to the Duck!
And sincerest pitty for Safin. Having 7 BPs against Roddick is great play, I presume, but you gotta take it (for Christ's sake Andy had only 3!). Gotta stop hesistating on important points! Do it and you're on top of the game!
Not for anything, but how can you take advantages of break points when you're getting aced left and right and Roddick comes up with huge forehands and was in control of those points? It's not like Safin had looks at some of those breakers and failed to finish off the shot.

joeb_uk
11-19-2004, 04:16 PM
He had quite a few breakpoints where roddick didnt come up with the big serve as well naldo

tangerine_dream
11-19-2004, 04:27 PM
I thought that you liked the hippo Tangy! you even posted cute avatars and funny pics of him on Marat's forum. :shrug:
Is it all about Hippo v Duck war?

I'm slowly coming around to the Hippo but there are times when he annoys me terribly (usually in his press conferences) but he's been keeping a lid on the constant complaining so I like him better when he's being gracious (and busting rackets at the same time). ;)

And thereís no ďwarĒ but maybe it'll all become a Hippo vs Duck rivalry. Roger's not having any of it, so why not Andy and Marat? :banana:

its all about Tangy trying to get a reaction out of people, rule number one of trolling.

Iím not trying to get a reaction out of anybody and Iím not a troll. Just because you disagree with a lot of what I say doesnít mean that Iím a troll. Maybe YOUíRE the troll. Go eat a power bar.

WyveN
11-19-2004, 04:31 PM
Iím not trying to get a reaction out of anybody

That is a lie and it was proven by your comments in this thread alone.

Havok
11-19-2004, 04:38 PM
He had quite a few breakpoints where roddick didnt come up with the big serve as well naldo
Besides the break Safin got at 5-3 in the 1st set, all the other opportunities he had I serioulsy don't remember Safin being in control of them. Like I said it was either an ace or Andy was dictating play and blasted a huge forehand. You can't take chances on something if you're the one being aced or in a defensive mode from the start.

joeb_uk
11-19-2004, 04:39 PM
If i remember correctly, safin had 0-40? sorry if this is wrong, but he didnt hit 3 big serves then?

WyveN
11-19-2004, 04:40 PM
If i remember correctly, safin had 0-40? sorry if this is wrong, but he didnt hit 3 big serves then?

There was one rally where Safin had a chance of a passing shot but Roddick hit a good volley.

Deboogle!.
11-19-2004, 04:48 PM
I just saw the replay of the andy-marat match. sorry it is too late to congrats Andy. it is a great match for andy. he played decidedly on those crucial points. he deserved those TBs. andy's improvements in all aspects are very impressive too! his BH ahd volleys worked amazing! anyway, congrats, Andy and his fans. :)

This was very nice of you to say :) The match was excellent from BOTH players. Marat played great and I think he was good mentally too, you can see that he's making strides with his temper and focus. Should be encouraging for Marat fans!

maratski
11-19-2004, 04:56 PM
You'll be one of the few who does. Thank you and welcome. :wavey:

I think 95% of MTF posters gave credit to Andy in the past 24 hours :retard: :scratch: :shrug:

Black Adam
11-19-2004, 05:15 PM
i happy with this match........... i found it quite funny when marat broke his racket using his hands nad knee.........first time i see him do that........normally he crashes them to the ground but using his hands....:yeah:

RonE
11-19-2004, 05:27 PM
i happy with this match........... i found it quite funny when marat broke his racket using his hands nad knee.........first time i see him do that........normally he crashes them to the ground but using his hands....:yeah:

Yes- he must be going soft. Any new love for him to make him so mellow? ;)

alfonsojose
11-19-2004, 05:28 PM
Who has taken away from Roddicks victories? I bet there are far more positive then negative comments about the 2 matches Roddick has played at Houston so far both in GM and in the live scoring threads.

Of course. Nobody cares about Roddick now. Coria is back :devil: :boxing: :p

Lady
11-19-2004, 07:31 PM
What I like about Andy is that he always appreciates good play. In his 3 matches here he applauded several times to Marat & Tim, and already applauded Guillermo! :D

PennyThePenguin
11-20-2004, 02:13 AM
I'm slowly coming around to the Hippo but there are times when he annoys me terribly (usually in his press conferences) but he's been keeping a lid on the constant complaining so I like him better when he's being gracious (and busting rackets at the same time). ;)

And thereís no ďwarĒ but maybe it'll all become a Hippo vs Duck rivalry. Roger's not having any of it, so why not Andy and Marat? :banana:



Iím not trying to get a reaction out of anybody and Iím not a troll. Just because you disagree with a lot of what I say doesnít mean that Iím a troll. Maybe YOUíRE the troll. Go eat a power bar.


TANNNGGGYYYYYY awww :hug: what war? and i'm STILL waiting for the next edition of roddick monthly...u BETTER get nice pic of maratik on there.

star
11-20-2004, 02:29 AM
Lol, Jiat.... you climbed on the global warming bandwagon! :lol:

Deboogle!.
11-20-2004, 02:34 AM
What I like about Andy is that he always appreciates good play. In his 3 matches here he applauded several times to Marat & Tim, and already applauded Guillermo! :D


:D

Q. There seems to be an awful lot of respect between all you guys out there on court this week. When you're applauding someone, is that an instinctive reaction?

ANDY RODDICK: Yeah, if I played the point exactly how I wanted to and someone just comes up with something better, just kudos. I'm not going to get upset about something that was just too good.

You know, unfortunately, that happens a little bit more in a week like this, when you're playing against the top players, than it normally would.

PennyThePenguin
11-20-2004, 02:34 AM
sorry star..lost u...what bandwagon?