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Tim Henman beats 'Tramposo' Coria 6-2 6-2

RPH
11-18-2004, 08:20 PM
Well done Tim :)
Played very well at the net and made mincemeat of Coria's embarrasing serve

Coria's out now :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: so he'll be crying all the home to Argentina :bigcry: :tape:

Good Riddance :wavey:

Bilbo
11-18-2004, 08:21 PM
Tim :yeah:

Jorge
11-18-2004, 08:24 PM
Kudos Tim! :)

undomiele
11-18-2004, 08:25 PM
Well done Tim :)
Played very well at the net and made mincemeat of Coria's embarrasing serve

Coria's out now :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: so he'll be crying all the home to Argentina :bigcry: :tape:

Good Riddance :wavey:

:lol: :lol: haha you're a riot RPH. As if Coria harbored any real hope of winning. :lol: :lol: What a loser you are. :rolleyes:

Hant Hant
11-18-2004, 08:26 PM
Coria will pose naked for Argentine Tennis

RPH
11-18-2004, 08:29 PM
:lol: :lol: haha you're a riot RPH. As if Coria harbored any real hope of winning. :lol: :lol: What a loser you are. :rolleyes:

Im the loser :lol: :lol:
Bitter are we :o

Your faves the loser :tape: literally :tape:

Adam Thirnis
11-18-2004, 08:30 PM
Coria will pose naked for Argentine Tennis

Yep. And he bent over for Tim today.

alfonsojose
11-18-2004, 08:31 PM
Good bye, Mago. I won't miss u at all ;) :p

*Ljubica*
11-18-2004, 08:33 PM
Well done Tim - played very well after a bit of a shaky start :)

Space Cowgirl
11-18-2004, 08:33 PM
Well done, Timbo! At this stage, statswise he's won a game more than Safin in this TMC, which could come into play depending on how Safin-Roddick turns out

undomiele
11-18-2004, 08:38 PM
Im the loser :lol: :lol:
Bitter are we :o

Your faves the loser :tape: literally :tape:


Bitter? thats Bullshit! I really don't care! I didn't even watch the game.

Get a life. PLEASE.

buddyholly
11-18-2004, 08:44 PM
Bitter? thats Bullshit! I really don't care! I didn't even watch the game.



Little white lies!!

RPH
11-18-2004, 08:51 PM
Bitter? thats Bullshit! I really don't care! I didn't even watch the game.

Get a life. PLEASE.

If you don't care about the match why start arguing with me :confused:

I do have a life so unfortnatuely you can't say things to me like that :sad:

:lol: :lol: :lol: @ buddyholly

undomiele
11-18-2004, 09:21 PM
:lol:

Raquel
11-18-2004, 09:23 PM
I really don't get all the Coria hate on here. There seems to be so much bad feeling regarding him to the point where even posting a thread containing one of his results has a derogatory name in the title. Have I missed something about him that I should know? :lol:

Maybe I don't read GM here enough to get annoyed by anything that his fans say, but as a neutral I think Coria is an excellent player especially on clay and put together a run on clay over the last couple of years that really deserves respect. I actually enjoy his matches on clay to see him spin a web round the players and for someone of slight build, it hasn't held him back. What is it about him exactly that's created so much bad feeling?

RPH
11-18-2004, 09:47 PM
I really don't get all the Coria hate on here. There seems to be so much bad feeling regarding him to the point where even posting a thread containing one of his results has a derogatory name in the title. Have I missed something about him that I should know? :lol:

Maybe I don't read GM here enough to get annoyed by anything that his fans say, but as a neutral I think Coria is an excellent player especially on clay and put together a run on clay over the last couple of years that really deserves respect. I actually enjoy his matches on clay to see him spin a web round the players and for someone of slight build, it hasn't held him back. What is it about him exactly that's created so much bad feeling?

The bad feeling to me is his gamemanship and antics on court which are disgraceful :fiery: :fiery: :mad: :(

A lot of Coria haters or people who don't like him I think have the same issues :o

-ernie-
11-18-2004, 09:48 PM
Im here in houston and i watched this match on the court, IT WAS AWESOME!
tim is really playin some good tennis. i hope he makes it to the semi's!

Fee
11-18-2004, 09:48 PM
I've been on the fence about Coria for the longest time, but his decision to come to the Masters Cup when he knew he was serving like Elena Dementieva has left a bad taste in my mouth. Did he need the money? Was it worth losing a coach over to come and get slapped around like that? I'm glad Gaudio played because he's fun to watch, he seems to enjoy playing no matter what, but all Coria did was ensure everyone in that group a win and make it a little bit more interesting for the other three. I think I would have preferred to see Canas play and make it REALLY interesting.

Raquel
11-18-2004, 10:02 PM
The bad feeling to me is his gamemanship and antics on court which are disgraceful :fiery: :fiery: :mad: :(

A lot of Coria haters or people who don't like him I think have the same issues :o
I will be honest and say I have not seen Coria do anything that I would class as really bad gamesmanship. This is what I meant when I said is there something I missed. Are there some obvious examples of bad gamesmanship that I don't know about? In the French final, I think that his cramp was genuine. I am sure he was cleared of the drugs conviction that he served the suspension for as well so whatever it is he has done I haven't seen it anyway.

RPH
11-18-2004, 10:24 PM
I will be honest and say I have not seen Coria do anything that I would class as really bad gamesmanship. This is what I meant when I said is there something I missed. Are there some obvious examples of bad gamesmanship that I don't know about? In the French final, I think that his cramp was genuine. I am sure he was cleared of the drugs conviction that he served the suspension for as well so whatever it is he has done I haven't seen it anyway.

At Hamburg against Nicolas Almagro Coria consisently argued about line calls for up to 10 minutes acted like a :retard: and did everything to disrupt Almagro's game

I also heard that he did something in his next match against Horna but Im not sure what ;)

buddyholly
11-18-2004, 10:36 PM
I've been on the fence about Coria for the longest time, but his decision to come to the Masters Cup when he knew he was serving like Elena Dementieva has left a bad taste in my mouth.
Maybe you should talk to him and find out what the hell he was thinking. He would probably tell you he earned his place and does not care what you think.

LiZpHaIr
11-18-2004, 10:51 PM
Good job Tim! You truly are the *better* player.

RonE
11-18-2004, 11:00 PM
Well- Tim started a little shaky in this match. Understandable considering he HAD to win to keep his hopes alive for making it to the semis. But all credit to him for sticking with the job, yes, even though Coria was injured. Sometimes it is not easy to play someone who has just come off an injury.

For Guillermo- yes, I think it probably did leave a bad taste in many people's mouths that he decided to play in Houston- but I think for him what he wanted was some match-fitness and to test himself against the game's best so that at least he will have had a few matches under his belt before the off-season. Not too bad a strategy considering he needs that match-sharpness.

Now with Roddick having beaten Safin, it will be a fascinating duel between Henman and Safin to determine who qualifies for the semis.

Alvarillo
11-18-2004, 11:27 PM
well played Tim !!!!!!!!

Neely
11-18-2004, 11:28 PM
Okay, Coria got rocked again :rolleyes:

For Guille I hope that he doesn't get the paycheck next season for this Masters Cup presence in form of any other injury and not giving his shoulder enough time.
But on the other side, I can also understand him. He wanted to go, he had the feeling he could play (even though not at the level he wished) and he didn't want to miss for what he has worked the first half of the season with many great results.

Maybe the rational choice in his situation would be "I'm going to stay at home", but on the other hand it's so damn hard because this Masters Cup spot belongs to you and for an ambitious player it's hard to say "no" then.


I also heard that he did something in his next match against Horna but Im not sure what ;)
I remember this match, Horna played very well and Coria did basically the same as you described already: arguing about line calls and he wanted to have a few marks checked that were really clearly in/out and had no chance for an overrule. The chair umpire had a busy day and had to come down from his chair quite often in this match ;) :p

liptea
11-18-2004, 11:31 PM
Poor Guillermo.

No player deserves all this just because he attempted to come back and get some match play by the end of the year.

Doesn't anyone else feel bad that Coria made a trip to another continent to try and salvage a dismal second half of the year and then got humiliated? And on top of tht, random strangers wish him good riddance and laugh that he lost and couldn't qualify?

Fergie
11-18-2004, 11:32 PM
Well done Tim :banana:

Now Coria, go home :devil:

Fee
11-18-2004, 11:35 PM
Thank you Neely and Ron for your intelligent responses. You make valid points, but I still feel a bit squeamish about the whole situation (hope the paying attendees don't feel slighted). I also wonder if this might come back to bite him next season. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

liptea
11-18-2004, 11:36 PM
The bad feeling to me is his gamemanship and antics on court which are disgraceful :fiery: :fiery: :mad: :(

A lot of Coria haters or people who don't like him I think have the same issues :o

Oh my f4c25ng gosh. In the heat of the moment, any player can do something stupid. And if Coria honestly felt that he was on the receiving end of some horrible line calls (and we don't know what he was thinking), I'm glad he fought for them.

Let's not destroy Guillermo Coria for random instances, I can't imagine that he is a Satan reincarnate. No one's character can be measured by two hours of televised tennis matches a month. :rolleyes:

Jorge
11-18-2004, 11:59 PM
I remember this match, Horna played very well and Coria did basically the same as you described already: arguing about line calls and he wanted to have a few marks checked that were really clearly in/out and had no chance for an overrule. The chair umpire had a busy day and had to come down from his chair quite often in this match ;) :p
Coria called Horna "coward" (miedoso) I saw it and heard it in a pretty clear spanish. That's why Luis Horna shout to him that he would kick his ass! (literally).

BTW Yesterday (or it was two days ago?) Sportscenter Latin America (broadcasted from Buenos Aires) included in their "not top ten" (a selection of ridiculous plays) "Coria's cramps at Hamburg". Even the argies didn't believe him. ;)

and we could keep saying, mentioning, reminding, many things like those but makes no sense to repeat it again and again.
Besides I have to reckon that he has behaved pretty well in Houston. Perhaps he is maturing.

*M*
11-19-2004, 12:07 AM
When I watch Coria, I just see someone who's a bit on the immature side. There something childlike about him: can be whiney, can be stubborn, can be in awe, can be naive, can be tricky. He even looks like a kid! I think he has some growing up to do, but I don't necessarily think he's a bad person. I think he considers being in the Masters a great honor. I don't know if he did it this year, but last year he brought his little brothers to the tournament (one of the nice things about Round Robins is you don't have to turn around and go home after first losing). I thought that was sweet.

daze11
11-19-2004, 03:56 AM
For those who didnt see the match, Guille played some great tennis in flashes...you never feel totally 'right' on court after being away so long, and geting your timing on shots you normally would nail; you could see he was upset a few times knowing the shot he had in his mind to hit, which he would normally do easily, and just missing. But he pegged quite a number of lines with confidence and, aside from his mobility--which is usually so strong--and his serve...which its hard to win without... he had much to be excited about. Even with his shakiness and losing score, he was clearly the more brilliant player, just watching the zip off the racquet and variety of shots. But not yet the more consistent by any stretch and that was the downfall. he had some amazing drops on these hard courts which henman could not reach. AND most impressively, he had more break points against Henman than vice-versa. He was up 40-0 a number of times, but little bits of rust, unsureness, and Tim's aggressive play would inevitably erase the leads. The score was much uglier than the match. Very nice to see him coming along.

And this person who mentioned gaudio...he is guaranteed to not win a set or match either, so i dont think coria is putting anybody out by being there. Any of gaudio's opponents are much more pleased to see gaudio on the other side of the net than the real #8 ranked player agassi, who would be a real threat.

Having such top notch opponents who Coria has earned the right to play through his results (from only HALF of '04! :worship: ) in this year-end championships is a great way to get things in motion to prepare for next year: couldn't ask for a better jolt of heavy tennis. And he's looking better than the last match easily, despite the score appearing like a lesser contest. You can see, he is just inches away from exploding back into form...in a couple of months, he will be stellar. And he did not even tug at his shoulder, and hit the ball CONSIDERABLY harder than henman, which surprised me, on BOTH forehand and backhand, so his body is handling the pressure of his strokes fine! Once he gets his range and timing down on those groundies, beyond just 4 or 5 shots per rally, his confidence will grow rapidly. If you're a Coria appreciator, you can be proud!!!

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 05:24 AM
:lol: :lol: haha you're a riot RPH. As if Coria harbored any real hope of winning. :lol: :lol: What a loser you are. :rolleyes:

Yeah... I just finally put him on ignore after realizing that he had absolutely nothing good to say. About anything. Ever. And really, I hate using ignore, but it had to be done.

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 05:27 AM
I really don't get all the Coria hate on here. There seems to be so much bad feeling regarding him to the point where even posting a thread containing one of his results has a derogatory name in the title. Have I missed something about him that I should know? :lol:

Maybe I don't read GM here enough to get annoyed by anything that his fans say, but as a neutral I think Coria is an excellent player especially on clay and put together a run on clay over the last couple of years that really deserves respect. I actually enjoy his matches on clay to see him spin a web round the players and for someone of slight build, it hasn't held him back. What is it about him exactly that's created so much bad feeling?

I understand why some people don't like him, but the reason they carry on about him like they do is that they are really juvenile. Yes, the same goes for "Roddick haters" and whatever haters. Being good natured about it is fine and dandy - I always thought the "Peeler" thread was in good taste which is why I made a mock up version of it myself. But the people around here who make comments like they know these players personally (ie: my newest favourite is that Coria isn't good enough for his wife. Uh huh. And people would know that how?) and blah.... yawn.

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 05:30 AM
Poor Guillermo.

No player deserves all this just because he attempted to come back and get some match play by the end of the year.

Doesn't anyone else feel bad that Coria made a trip to another continent to try and salvage a dismal second half of the year and then got humiliated? And on top of tht, random strangers wish him good riddance and laugh that he lost and couldn't qualify?

I don't feel bad for him at all. And I am a big fan. He knew coming in that he wasn't 100%. Sure, he *hoped* that he could have a chance to win, it's one of his career goals. Realistically I think he just felt really honoured to make it and wanted to represent himself as well as possible. As long as he gives 100%, I can't imagine that he's going to be devestated by this.

Oh, and I'm basing this on his diary entries on his website. Not based on whatever happens to be coming out of my ass at the moment, as most people around here do when they talk about Coria :p

Daniel
11-19-2004, 07:12 AM
Good bye, Mago. I won't miss u at all ;) :p

:p :p

Poor Coria :sad:

Action Jackson
11-19-2004, 07:25 AM
I will be honest and say I have not seen Coria do anything that I would class as really bad gamesmanship. This is what I meant when I said is there something I missed. Are there some obvious examples of bad gamesmanship that I don't know about? In the French final, I think that his cramp was genuine. I am sure he was cleared of the drugs conviction that he served the suspension for as well so whatever it is he has done I haven't seen it anyway.

Racquel I will send you the book if you like.

Action Jackson
11-19-2004, 07:32 AM
As for him failing here, well I don't see the point gloating about it too much.

It's obvious that he can't serve at his best, and I have said so many times, but certain people have comprehension problems. I only want to see Coria back on court when he is at his best or near his best, and this is not the case at TMC and this is disappointing.

He knew he wasn't going to win a match, and he has plenty of time to make more TMC's and he will if he can keep the injuries down, but his ego and pride got the better of him and felt he had to enter this event, when it would have been better to come back in 2005.

Raquel
11-19-2004, 01:59 PM
I understand why some people don't like him, but the reason they carry on about him like they do is that they are really juvenile. Yes, the same goes for "Roddick haters" and whatever haters. Being good natured about it is fine and dandy - I always thought the "Peeler" thread was in good taste which is why I made a mock up version of it myself. But the people around here who make comments like they know these players personally (ie: my newest favourite is that Coria isn't good enough for his wife. Uh huh. And people would know that how?) and blah.... yawn.
I can understand why people might not like a player but the real bad feeling for Coria is just everywhere in every thread about him. It seems to be a lot nastier than the Roddick hate as well. As for Coria being not good enough for his wife? OK so the guy questions calls on court, but on court and off court are very different things. I am sure his wife would not have married him if he was not someone she loved. I think she has been with him since they were in school and teenagers long before he was making big money so she's been there from the start. To say he's not good enough for her is a bit harsh to say the least. Unless there's something about the guy I really don't know about but what does anyone who posts here really know about what happens behind closed doors?
Racquel I will send you the book if you like.
:lol: Thanks George. Listen I know he's no angel on the court. I have seen him question calls, look at the line judges, smirk and stall etc. but that's about as far as he's went. Maybe I'm just too nice but none of that really builds up any real hate for the guy. He reminds me of a male combination of Arantxa Sanchez and Martina Hingis - very tactically aware with lots of self confidence and a touch of arrogance but compared to some players, there's no real nastiness in him. When Andre was Coria's age he was spitting at umpires and his favourite word was faggot. Jimmy Connors used to swear and shout and touch his crotch in the umpire's direction. I have just read John McEnroe's autobiography and he admits he got away with anything and everything. Compared to those guys, Coria's a saint. I don't think Coria's ever been suspended for bad behaviour or had points deducted for delaying or been warned on court for any really serious gamesmanship.

Fernando Borda
11-19-2004, 03:40 PM
in five months of tennis, it exceeds to him to classify to TMC :zzz:
Go! MAGO :)

:eek: 2005 Nº 1 :eek:

Coria, Nalbandian, Gaudio, Cañas (Top 11)
All the world :tape: please!

El tenis sudamericano es un lujo, Bye :wavey:

RPH
11-19-2004, 03:54 PM
Oh my f4c25ng gosh. In the heat of the moment, any player can do something stupid. And if Coria honestly felt that he was on the receiving end of some horrible line calls (and we don't know what he was thinking), I'm glad he fought for them.

Let's not destroy Guillermo Coria for random instances, I can't imagine that he is a Satan reincarnate. No one's character can be measured by two hours of televised tennis matches a month. :rolleyes:

Coria could easily argue in every match for ages even if he's losing or winning and he's rarely right :rolleyes:

Rebecca put me on ignore :woohoo: :D :yeah:
Don't believe her when she says I say nothing positive about anything cos I do just not about Coria :devil: :)

Fernando Borda only gave me grey rep :tape: :tape:

Cheers Ron E for the good rep :worship:

Rogiman
11-19-2004, 05:08 PM
I don't feel bad for him at all. And I am a big fan. He knew coming in that he wasn't 100%. Sure, he *hoped* that he could have a chance to win, it's one of his career goals. Realistically I think he just felt really honoured to make it and wanted to represent himself as well as possible. As long as he gives 100%, I can't imagine that he's going to be devestated by this.

Oh, and I'm basing this on his diary entries on his website. Not based on whatever happens to be coming out of my ass at the moment, as most people around here do when they talk about Coria :p


Rebecca! :kiss:

I don't know any facts either, except for Coria's results, and in my opinion he shouldn't have come to Houston just to be everyone's bitch, I mean, the way he plays right now he's not better than, say, Bohdan Ulihrach.

And don't be so sure he won't be devastated by this - look at the kind of wave Ferrero has been riding since last year's TMC.

undomiele
11-19-2004, 05:26 PM
He knew he wasn't going to win a match, and he has plenty of time to make more TMC's and he will if he can keep the injuries down, but his ego and pride got the better of him and felt he had to enter this event, when it would have been better to come back in 2005.

I don't think any of us are in any position to judge him for the decision he made. It was his decision and his decision alone to come and play at TMC and in general that should be respected. He *did* earn the spot after all. But really for you to say he did it for "ego and pride" is the cynical flipside to a potentially more positive argument that he really did it for his fans, or for his country, or for his family, or whatever, which are equally good reasons for him to come and play at TMC, injured as he might have been (or not), but I guess that would place him in a more amiable and honorable light than what you're used to seeing him in (and thats your problem!). In other words, what can you possibly have to offer to defend your disdainful view of Coria's participation other than assumptions and an intense dislike for the guy?????Nothing.

The only thing I hear you accusing him of is doing something which was his *perfect right* to do from the very beginning, which was decide to play in the Masters Cup. Thats hardly criminal behavior George. Get off his friggin back.

daze11
11-19-2004, 07:15 PM
too true. he made it to deuce in almost every game against henman; it wasnt that dramatic a blow out. he lacked the total 'match tough' focus, which would not be possible to have right now, to close things out when he had to. but he's a pro player playing in his profession's biggest non-slam event. there is no issue here. no one who makes this tournament is not going to play if they can still walk; and don't think they dont want the biggest names to be there to promote their event, either.

RogerRocks
11-19-2004, 08:17 PM
tramposo hits the nail on the head

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2004, 10:22 PM
Rebecca! :kiss:

I don't know any facts either, except for Coria's results, and in my opinion he shouldn't have come to Houston just to be everyone's bitch, I mean, the way he plays right now he's not better than, say, Bohdan Ulihrach.

And don't be so sure he won't be devastated by this - look at the kind of wave Ferrero has been riding since last year's TMC.
Ferrero's situation and attitude going into last years TMC were dramatically different than Coria's going into this.

J. Corwin
11-19-2004, 10:58 PM
Tim just too good for any of Coria's drop shots and passing shot attempts. :yeah: Coria maybe shouldn't have played this tournament thought, IMO. Rest up more for the start of next season.

liptea
11-20-2004, 01:27 AM
I don't feel bad for him at all. And I am a big fan. He knew coming in that he wasn't 100%. Sure, he *hoped* that he could have a chance to win, it's one of his career goals. Realistically I think he just felt really honoured to make it and wanted to represent himself as well as possible. As long as he gives 100%, I can't imagine that he's going to be devestated by this.

Oh, and I'm basing this on his diary entries on his website. Not based on whatever happens to be coming out of my ass at the moment, as most people around here do when they talk about Coria :p

Hey Rebecca :wavey:

I didn't mean that I felt bad that he didn't win. I just meant that he doesn't deserve all this hate for attempting to get in some match play by the end of the year. He should be satisfied by his performance, I just think people should just stop destryoing players they dislike.

liptea
11-20-2004, 01:31 AM
I can understand why people might not like a player but the real bad feeling for Coria is just everywhere in every thread about him. It seems to be a lot nastier than the Roddick hate as well. As for Coria being not good enough for his wife? OK so the guy questions calls on court, but on court and off court are very different things. I am sure his wife would not have married him if he was not someone she loved. I think she has been with him since they were in school and teenagers long before he was making big money so she's been there from the start. To say he's not good enough for her is a bit harsh to say the least. Unless there's something about the guy I really don't know about but what does anyone who posts here really know about what happens behind closed doors?

:lol: Thanks George. Listen I know he's no angel on the court. I have seen him question calls, look at the line judges, smirk and stall etc. but that's about as far as he's went. Maybe I'm just too nice but none of that really builds up any real hate for the guy. He reminds me of a male combination of Arantxa Sanchez and Martina Hingis - very tactically aware with lots of self confidence and a touch of arrogance but compared to some players, there's no real nastiness in him. When Andre was Coria's age he was spitting at umpires and his favourite word was faggot. Jimmy Connors used to swear and shout and touch his crotch in the umpire's direction. I have just read John McEnroe's autobiography and he admits he got away with anything and everything. Compared to those guys, Coria's a saint. I don't think Coria's ever been suspended for bad behaviour or had points deducted for delaying or been warned on court for any really serious gamesmanship.

This a good post.

You know, there is nothing on court I find more annoying than Sharapova always getting warnings for coaching from her dad. WHat exactly are they doing, holding up signs? WHat is classified as from the stands coaching? I seem to remember Gonzalez getting a warning for this?

daze11
11-20-2004, 03:55 AM
I'd say the friday results showed it all for guillermo. Aside from not being able to return roddicks serve that well, as most cannot (he returned it better than most, actually), he kicked the #2 player in the world's BUTT in the rallies. AND he managed 3 aced himself!! that is one of the best losses of his young career and a DYNAMITE omen for his comeback of 2005. Congrats for proving why you were in this tournament of the world's best players to Coria. And not to mention, the greater percentage by far in the crowd were yelling for coria even though its Roddick-country. The fans were clearly thrilled he was there as well.

Action Jackson
11-20-2004, 04:33 AM
:lol: Thanks George. Listen I know he's no angel on the court. I have seen him question calls, look at the line judges, smirk and stall etc. but that's about as far as he's went. Maybe I'm just too nice but none of that really builds up any real hate for the guy. He reminds me of a male combination of Arantxa Sanchez and Martina Hingis - very tactically aware with lots of self confidence and a touch of arrogance but compared to some players, there's no real nastiness in him. When Andre was Coria's age he was spitting at umpires and his favourite word was faggot. Jimmy Connors used to swear and shout and touch his crotch in the umpire's direction. I have just read John McEnroe's autobiography and he admits he got away with anything and everything. Compared to those guys, Coria's a saint. I don't think Coria's ever been suspended for bad behaviour or had points deducted for delaying or been warned on court for any really serious gamesmanship.

That was then and this is now using the comparison with McEnroe and Connors. For the record those two were much bigger arseholes than what Coria could ever be, and no I have never liked Agassi and haven't forgotten his antics and that's why I don't buy all the crap with him now. A great player and that's all I will say about Agassi, as for Coria he is a fine player and will get better as he gets stronger and I will always respect his tennis ability and the only problem I have with him playing here, is that he can't serve to the best of his ability because of the shoulder, not because he didn't deserve to qualify, which he clearly did.

Action Jackson
11-20-2004, 04:48 AM
I don't think any of us are in any position to judge him for the decision he made. It was his decision and his decision alone to come and play at TMC and in general that should be respected. He *did* earn the spot after all.

Ok, this is going to be fun for me. First myth to debunk as for Coria he is a fine player and will get better as he gets stronger and I will always respect his tennis ability and the only problem I have with him playing here, is that he can't serve to the best of his ability because of the shoulder problem, which does detract from his game and not because he didn't deserve to qualify, which he clearly did.

But really for you to say he did it for "ego and pride" is the cynical flipside to a potentially more positive argument that he really did it for his fans, or for his country, or for his family, or whatever, which are equally good reasons for him to come and play at TMC, injured as he might have been (or not), but I guess that would place him in a more amiable and honorable light than what you're used to seeing him in (and thats your problem!).

Wouldn't you want Coria to be playing to the close to his best and injury free? You don't even need to be a fan to realise something so obvious. Just so you will get it and I will say it again. I don't want to see any players injured, and them coming back too soon, which will put them back even further. Another wrong assumption yet again and yes I do know he has good qualities and just for you because you are so special I am going to do this.

1. He has opened up a tennis academy and is putting back something into the game that he loves, and gives the kids somewhere to play and train which can only be beneficial for everyone concerned.
2. He is very good with his fans and I have seen this more than once.
3. I don't doubt unlike some other people about his committment to his homeland. I mean he will play the B.A tournament, though from what I hear he won't get appearance money for playing there.

In other words, what can you possibly have to offer to defend your disdainful view of Coria's participation other than assumptions and an intense dislike for the guy?????Nothing.

See above.

That was not difficult at all, and even people I dislike have redeeming features and it wasn't hard at all to state these. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to debunk your myths it was a pleasure and easy.