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Federer def. Hewitt 6-3 6-4

naiwen
11-18-2004, 06:03 AM
:worship:

Red group
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Federer 2-0 4-0
Hewitt 1-1 2-3
Moya 1-1 3-2
Gaudio 0-2 0-4

Only Moya has a chance to surpass Roger, and this means Roger's in semifinal.
:worship:

rogertooogood
11-18-2004, 06:10 AM
great job Roger!!!!! Out of all the players in his group, Hewitt worried me the most next to Gaudio!!!!!

lucashg
11-18-2004, 06:11 AM
Well done, Rogi! I guess his match against Moyá is gonna be a little easier, but he has to be careful. The other group is yet messed up, but there are big chances Federer will meet Duckboy in the semis, or Safin. o____O

rogertooogood
11-18-2004, 06:16 AM
I would rather him meet Roddick in the semis than Marat anyday........

Jorge
11-18-2004, 06:21 AM
If Gaudio beats Hewitt (I Know it's not likely), then Carlos could qualify even losing to Roger. Let's hope so :cool:

rogertooogood
11-18-2004, 06:24 AM
Yey, Moya did not bring his best game last year as he did in Shanghai....

Nymeria
11-18-2004, 06:24 AM
Congrats Roger :hug:

Oh this is so scary... I missed the match, you know since I didn't know what time they would play I decided not to wake up for the match since I did really need my sleep. I did put my alarm at 8 am, but I woke up before my alarm without reason but I did feel excited. Now I read that at that time Roger did finish his match :eek: ok I know this sounds stupid :p

RonE
11-18-2004, 06:25 AM
Well done!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

I am never at ease when these two play- great job from Roger to keep on doing his thing!

Now, it is also important that he keeps his streak going and not lose momentum- therefore it would be to his advantage to beat Moya.

Like everyone else, Hewitt was the opponent that worried me the most, but now that hurdle is out of the way (unless they meet again in the final).

yanchr
11-18-2004, 06:25 AM
Good job Roger:bounce::bounce: I so admire his attitude toward the match with all the frustrating rain delays which made me go mad. Great Performance from both after the comparatively short rain delay. I'm impressed with Hewitt's serve. It workd much better for him than in their last previous matches. But still he is not good enough to take on Roger even Roger is not in full form.

I don't know who I'd like Roger to play in the semi. Either will do, I guess.

RonE
11-18-2004, 06:29 AM
Good job Roger:bounce::bounce: I so admire his attitude toward the match with all the frustrating rain delays which made me go mad. Great Performance from both after the comparatively short rain delay. I'm impressed with Hewitt's serve. It workd much better for him than in their last previous matches. But still he is not good enough to take on Roger even Roger is not in full form.

I don't know who I'd like Roger to play in the semi. Either will do, I guess.

I definitely hope that Marat beats Andy tonight and finishes #1 in his group and that Roger will also finish #1 in his group because I would much prefer to have him face Roddick in the semis than Safin. Besides, isn't a Federer-Safin final the one everyone has been hoping for? ;)

Aleksa's Laydee
11-18-2004, 06:42 AM
ooh hewwie :lol:

WyveN
11-18-2004, 06:43 AM
I love Hewitt-Federer match ups this year. It is like watching a yound kid challange their coach.

yanchr
11-18-2004, 06:44 AM
I definitely hope that Marat beats Andy tonight and finishes #1 in his group and that Roger will also finish #1 in his group because I would much prefer to have him face Roddick in the semis than Safin. Besides, isn't a Federer-Safin final the one everyone has been hoping for? ;)
I thought so before, but not so sure after watching some of Andy Henman match. When did he make such a progress on his backhand side, esp the passing shots:eek: That has caught on me. And he started to come in to the net :eek: with the serve of his kind, if he plays more serve and volley, it would be very scary. I have to wait and see how the two rival against each other first, in order to make up my mind as to who I want Roger to face :p

RonE
11-18-2004, 06:47 AM
I thought so before, but not so sure after watching some of Andy Henman match. When did he make such a progress on his backhand side, esp the passing shots:eek: That has caught on me. And he started to come in to the net :eek: with the serve of his kind, if he plays more serve and volley, it would be very scary. I have to wait and see how the two rival against each other first, in order to make up my mind as to who I want Roger to face :p

You have a point there. You're right, let's just wait and see...... ;)

lsy
11-18-2004, 06:49 AM
I agree with yanchr, Andy was playing very well vs Henman and it's hard to tell Safin's form here as yet. Big match ahead b/n Andy/Safin, should be real fun to watch.

WyveN
11-18-2004, 06:52 AM
Safin-Roddick is a real 50-50 match.

Safin-Federer and Hewitt-Roddick semis wouldn't be to bad as those match ups were not common this year. On the other hand I would love to see Safin-Federer over 5 sets.

Auscon
11-18-2004, 07:51 AM
:(

If Lleyton can make it into the semi's, he'll make the final

Im trying my hardest to believe it, I really am

Auscon
11-18-2004, 07:53 AM
Well, at least Lleyton should be able to put in a good one against Gaudio, meanwhile Moya's up shit creek

Mrs. B
11-18-2004, 07:56 AM
I thought so before, but not so sure after watching some of Andy Henman match. When did he make such a progress on his backhand side, esp the passing shots:eek: That has caught on me. And he started to come in to the net :eek: with the serve of his kind, if he plays more serve and volley, it would be very scary. I have to wait and see how the two rival against each other first, in order to make up my mind as to who I want Roger to face :p

i think Roddick's loss to Roger with that bagel in BKK motivated him to improve his game and he's been practising those shots in his repertoire which obviously worked out against Henman. i wonder if Gilbert has taken a leaf out of Roger's book to improve his student's game. ;)

Daniel
11-18-2004, 07:59 AM
me dont think Mr Duck has a chance of beating Roger in this tournament

Well done Rogi :kiss: ;hug:

lucashg
11-18-2004, 08:17 AM
Isn't Roddick's coming to the net just a strategy to beat serve-volleyers? It worked out with choker Henman, but didn't with Mirnyi. I don't know if he would use it against Federer, but who knows... he might try, once his "official" game is no danger to Federer. :tape:

I don't know about Safin yet, it all depends on tonight. He has won two big tournaments in a row, but has only beaten Hewitt out of the 8 in them. But his matches against Nalbandian and Agassi were really impressive, although you can use the excuse that both were tired of St. Pettersburgh and Basel, respectively.

Action Jackson
11-18-2004, 08:30 AM
That match was such a stroll for Federer he hardly got out of neutral gear. The head cold Hewitt has must have effected him, as he made so many unforced errors. The only time Federerhad to do anything was in the last 4 games after the resumption of play.

Hewitt and Gaudio got the same total amount of games against Federer. Not bad for someone who is meant to be the joke of the tournament.

federer_roar
11-18-2004, 09:23 AM
I can't worry too much about Andy's server and volley. He came to net quite often in Toronto and we all know what happened to him in that final.

I am more interested to a Fed vs new Safin match. It's time to show your racket , Roger.

WyveN
11-18-2004, 09:24 AM
That match was such a stroll for Federer he hardly got out of neutral gear. The head cold Hewitt has must have effected him, as he made so many unforced errors.

Hewitt's strategy was to be far more aggressive. Didn't really work but at least he didn't get a bagel.

Action Jackson
11-18-2004, 09:26 AM
Hewitt's strategy was to be far more aggressive. Didn't really work but at least he didn't get a bagel.

Yes, I noticed that he was being more aggressive than usual, but he did seem quite subdued as if he didn't believe he could win. Federer didn't have to do that much, but the last 4 games were very entertaining.

WyveN
11-18-2004, 09:33 AM
Yes, I noticed that he was being more aggressive than usual, but he did seem quite subdued as if he didn't believe he could win. Federer didn't have to do that much, but the last 4 games were very entertaining.

Glad Federer served out the match without any problems for once, Hewitt really did give his all in the final game which was probably the game of the tournament so far.

Action Jackson
11-18-2004, 09:35 AM
Glad Federer served out the match without any problems for once, Hewitt really did give his all in the final game which was probably the game of the tournament so far.

Yes, of course no need to be there longer than necessary, and I see our friend has arrived again. :)

lsy
11-18-2004, 09:38 AM
Glad Federer served out the match without any problems for once, Hewitt really did give his all in the final game which was probably the game of the tournament so far.

I'm glad you caught that last game, definitely high quality and entertaining.

WyveN
11-18-2004, 09:38 AM
He will be gone quickly if
a) Gaudio wins a set
b) Roddick losses

Although I do hope hh stays around for the DC final.

Action Jackson
11-18-2004, 09:41 AM
He might hitchhike out of here. I bet he is a stand-up comic who is using us for material.

WyveN
11-18-2004, 09:42 AM
He might hitchhike out of here. I bet he is a stand-up comic who is using us for material.

If he is then I suggest a career change.

Action Jackson
11-18-2004, 09:45 AM
If he is then I suggest a career change.

As we say in my language "helt klart", maybe for sure would be the best translation.

bad gambler
11-18-2004, 09:51 AM
federer is the best thing since swiss cheese - he is truly the only "great" player on tour at the moment, brilliant!

Fergie
11-18-2004, 10:24 AM
Well done Rogi :hug:

Shy
11-18-2004, 11:24 AM
I thought so before, but not so sure after watching some of Andy Henman match. When did he make such a progress on his backhand side, esp the passing shots:eek: That has caught on me. And he started to come in to the net :eek: with the serve of his kind, if he plays more serve and volley, it would be very scary. I have to wait and see how the two rival against each other first, in order to make up my mind as to who I want Roger to face :p
It is hard to say. So many times, I have seen Andy play very well before meeting Roger, much more sharped then Roger. However, Roger end up winning.

Raquel
11-18-2004, 01:48 PM
Well done Roger! :) :yeah:

Lleyton - :hug: you can still qualify :)

yanchr
11-18-2004, 02:05 PM
It is hard to say. So many times, I have seen Andy play very well before meeting Roger, much more sharped then Roger. However, Roger end up winning.
I'm saying Andy IS a threat to Roger, unlike Hewitt now, who I think is simply over against Roger. And Wimbledon final did prove that Andy has sth in his game to beat Roger. Just more improvement (he has the room for improvement, bigger room than Roger I have to say) will make him even more likely and capable.

Of course I hope what you mentioned can take place all the time ;)

Action Jackson
11-18-2004, 02:07 PM
I'm saying Andy IS a threat to Roger, unlike Hewitt now, who I think is simply over against Roger. And Wimbledon final did prove that Andy has sth in his game to beat Roger. Just more improvement (he has the room for improvement, bigger room than Roger I have to say) will make him even more likely and capable.

Of course I hope what you mentioned can take place all the time ;)

One match doesn't change a thing and wouldn't Andy have to win a few matches against Roger to be a true threat?

yanchr
11-18-2004, 02:37 PM
One match doesn't change a thing and wouldn't Andy have to win a few matches against Roger to be a true threat?
One match surely doesn't change a thing. But we can see sth from one match. Acutally this sth has been found not in just one match. Andy is a threat to Roger, can you deny it? Just for it to be a true one, he needs some wins to back it up.

Never think I will defend Andy anywhere, and against Roger to some degree :o :p Maybe I'm worrying out of nothing.

Action Jackson
11-18-2004, 02:45 PM
One match surely doesn't change a thing. But we can see sth from one match. Acutally this sth has been found not in just one match. Andy is a threat to Roger, can you deny it? Just for it to be a true one, he needs some wins to back it up.

Never think I will defend Andy anywhere, and against Roger to some degree :o :p Maybe I'm worrying out of nothing.

Andy doesn't have the aptitude to change his tactics to gain consistent success against Roger. He might get the odd win here and there, and in form Safin is more of a threat than Andy.

Why worry about a match that hasn't happened yet? One match he hit his backhand better than his forehand, that is not a consistent thing and Roger knows how to play Andy and that doesn't just go away straight away.

RPH
11-18-2004, 02:46 PM
Roger :worship: :worship: :worship:

Poor Lleyton after that big winning record over Roger in the last 5 meetings he's won 2 sets :sad:

Andy will have to play out of his mind against Roger like at Wimbledon 1st set and hope Roger plays poorly :cool:

Havok
11-18-2004, 03:09 PM
One match doesn't change a thing and wouldn't Andy have to win a few matches against Roger to be a true threat?
So then please explain why people are giving Safin such a huge chance to beat Federer then? He hasn't beaten Roger in years, yet he's the one to beat Federer it seems. Funny isn't it.

yanchr
11-18-2004, 03:14 PM
Andy doesn't have the aptitude to change his tactics to gain consistent success against Roger. He might get the odd win here and there, and in form Safin is more of a threat than Andy.
I'm not so sure about that.
I think Safin's forehand fails him too big comparatively speaking.

Why worry about a match that hasn't happened yet? One match he hit his backhand better than his forehand, that is not a consistent thing and Roger knows how to play Andy and that doesn't just go away straight away.
Should we always prepare for the worst and hope for the best ;)

Actually it's a bit contraditory for me. When I see Andy or Safin puts on a good performance against others, I will come to think that can pose big threat to Roger. But when I see Roger play (not against them) esp with the comparation there, I start to calm down and get some relief and think, no, they won't trouble Roger much with the things they have at the moment. That's a weird feeling though.

Action Jackson
11-18-2004, 03:16 PM
So then please explain why people are giving Safin such a huge chance to beat Federer then? He hasn't beaten Roger in years, yet he's the one to beat Federer it seems. Funny isn't it.

They are probably going on recent form and only on recent form. Andy hasn't played that much lately, and Marat has been the player who is doing the best at the moment 2 TMS titles is a good enough reason, though this match today will find out how much he has improved.

The mental side of Safin seems to have got better, but this will be tested with this very pro-Roddick crowd.

lunahielo
11-18-2004, 03:17 PM
Well done, Roger.......... :)

Action Jackson
11-18-2004, 03:21 PM
I'm not so sure about that.
I think Safin's forehand fails him too big comparatively speaking.


His mindset and temperament are more of a problem than his forehand. Yes, it's not as good as his backhand, but it's not such an obvious weakness. His dropshots and volleys aren't the best.

Should we always prepare for the worst and hope for the best ;)

I always do that.

Actually it's a bit contraditory for me. When I see Andy or Safin puts on a good performance against others, I will come to think that can pose big threat to Roger. But when I see Roger play (not against them) esp with the comparation there, I start to calm down and get some relief and think, no, they won't trouble Roger much with the things they have at the moment. That's a weird feeling though.

Different match ups, and some players match up better with others. Initally Hewitt had it over Rogi, and there were 2 of Potato's wins were down to sheer courage and mental tenacity the DC semi final and 02 Shanghai.

I'd more concerned with Nalbandian, at the same time Roger is not a god, but when he is at his best, there isn't anyone at the moment that can consistently live with him.

Ginger
11-18-2004, 03:27 PM
So then please explain why people are giving Safin such a huge chance to beat Federer then? He hasn't beaten Roger in years, yet he's the one to beat Federer it seems. Funny isn't it.
Maybe Safin's coach will give him some good advice... :)

yanchr
11-18-2004, 03:35 PM
His mindset and temperament are more of a problem than his forehand. Yes, it's not as good as his backhand, but it's not such an obvious weakness. His dropshots and volleys aren't the best.
It's not an obvious weakness for sure. But forehand should be the biggest weapon for most. Safin's forehand is far from deadly, thinking that it's the most frequently used shot when attacking while dropshots and volleys are not.

I'd more concerned with Nalbandian, at the same time Roger is not a god, but when he is at his best, there isn't anyone at the moment that can consistently live with him.
I agree with this. I'm expecting Nalby to come back in full form next year, to come up with some nice encounters with Roger. Maybe he is the last one who hasn't been negatively affected by Roger's dominance among those top guys.

Action Jackson
11-18-2004, 03:54 PM
It's not an obvious weakness for sure. But forehand should be the biggest weapon for most. Safin's forehand is far from deadly, thinking that it's the most frequently used shot when attacking while dropshots and volleys are not.

His forehand is fine, of course it can get better and Lundgren will make sure of that, but it's not bad, but his backhand is very good and when he is confident his forehand working well.

I agree with this. I'm expecting Nalby to come back in full form next year, to come up with some nice encounters with Roger. Maybe he is the last one who hasn't been negatively affected by Roger's dominance among those top guys.

Nalle gave him more than enough to handle at the Aus Open and that match could have easily gone to 5 sets, if he took his chances in that match, and he had them in all sets.

Pea
11-18-2004, 03:56 PM
Congrats to Rogi!!!

tangerine_dream
11-18-2004, 04:35 PM
Congrats Roger, and congrats Lleyton on not getting bageled for once.

Roger-No.1
11-18-2004, 04:38 PM
Bravo Rogi!!!! :)

rue
11-18-2004, 04:50 PM
I never thought that Hewitt could beat Roger. He needs to develop his game and somehow play like Agassi plays now. They both have a similar style of play but if Hewitt can somehow do what Agassi does, then he would be able to better match Roger. Right now he is just being outplayed each time.

RogiFan88
11-18-2004, 05:10 PM
perhaps Lleyton has reached his peak?? you never know

of course PL will give Marat advice on how to beat Rogi

Adam Thirnis
11-18-2004, 05:15 PM
of course PL will give Marat advice on how to beat Rogi

That won't do Safin any good: he's very little chance against Federer whatever Lundgren tells him to do. His best hope is to lose to Roddick to get a best-of-3 set match versus Federer. If he meets Federer in the best-of-5 final then the Russian has no chance whatsoever.

Action Jackson
11-18-2004, 05:17 PM
Adam, what were your excuses for all the matches that Federer lost this year? Henman, Costa, Kuerten, Hrbaty, Nadal and Berdych. I would be interested in hearing them.

Lady
11-18-2004, 07:03 PM
The funny thing is that Roger didn't even play that well! And still 6/3 6/4.

BTW, have Lleyton won ant Masters event this year?
I tried to remember, but all I could is Cinci final against Agassi.

Action Jackson
11-18-2004, 07:04 PM
No, he didn't win a TMS event.

Lady
11-18-2004, 07:08 PM
No, he didn't win a TMS event.

Thanks!

And he can be #2 in the end of the year!

Adam Thirnis
11-18-2004, 07:09 PM
Adam, what were your excuses for all the matches that Federer lost this year? Henman, Costa, Kuerten, Hrbaty, Nadal and Berdych. I would be interested in hearing them.

Kuerten was the only meaningful defeat. No disgrace to lose to Guga at Roland Garros. It's the only proper match he's lost since the DC match wit Hewitt last year.

All the rest were 3 set matches (not a true test) in smaller tournaments and hardly matter - mere "tune-ups" for the Grand Slam events.

Federer is currently unbeatable in best-of-5 matches on surfaces other than clay.

Pea
11-18-2004, 07:20 PM
The only matches that Federer lost because of exhaustion were the matches against Hrbaty, Costa, and Berdych.

He was outplayed in the other matches. Simple as that.;)

J. Corwin
11-18-2004, 07:22 PM
nice win :)

Hagar
11-18-2004, 09:27 PM
Kuerten was the only meaningful defeat. No disgrace to lose to Guga at Roland Garros. It's the only proper match he's lost since the DC match wit Hewitt last year.

Guga was AWESOME in that match. I felt SO happy watching this wonderful display of claycourt brilliance; it was Guga like in the great days. Roger was reduced to a dummy.

If I could take 5 tennisvideos with me to a remote island, this match would be one of them.

RonE
11-18-2004, 10:11 PM
Federer is currently unbeatable in best-of-5 matches on surfaces other than clay.

I would hardly say unbeatable. Two matches in recent memory he easily could have lost but squeaked through in- Roddick @ Wimbledon and Agassi @ U.S. Open.

Fedex
11-18-2004, 10:15 PM
I thought so before, but not so sure after watching some of Andy Henman match. When did he make such a progress on his backhand side, esp the passing shots:eek: That has caught on me. And he started to come in to the net :eek: with the serve of his kind, if he plays more serve and volley, it would be very scary. I have to wait and see how the two rival against each other first, in order to make up my mind as to who I want Roger to face :p
That is irrelavent as that was Henman and this was Roger. Its a much different match up of games between Federer-Roddick and Henman Roddick. Yes, he hit some good passing shots, but Henman didn't do quite stick the volley enough at times, and Federer has a far better ground game. And no, again, Federer is able to get the serve back very deep and low most of the time, serve and volley wont work. Many of Henman's chipped returns, sat up high, and nice for Roddick, allowing him to take control of the point. That would actually be disasterous for Roddick if he tried to do serve and volley against Federer. Add into the fact that Federer has a superior serve, if his game's clicking, Roast Duck will be on the menu again. :)

Fedex
11-18-2004, 10:17 PM
So no, I'm hardly worried about Roddick, and even less worried about Hewitt. :) Congrats to Hewitt though, for finally not getting bageled.

Fedex
11-18-2004, 10:19 PM
It is hard to say. So many times, I have seen Andy play very well before meeting Roger, much more sharped then Roger. However, Roger end up winning.
That's because Federer's the much better player, and always will be.

Fedex
11-18-2004, 10:21 PM
So then please explain why people are giving Safin such a huge chance to beat Federer then? He hasn't beaten Roger in years, yet he's the one to beat Federer it seems. Funny isn't it.
Because Safin's really hot right now, and he has more weapons to use against Federer.

Fedex
11-18-2004, 10:25 PM
I never thought that Hewitt could beat Roger. He needs to develop his game and somehow play like Agassi plays now. They both have a similar style of play but if Hewitt can somehow do what Agassi does, then he would be able to better match Roger. Right now he is just being outplayed each time.
He cant change his game that quickly, and that dramatically. There are many differences in Hewitt's and Agassi's game, like the fact that Agassi can take the ball earlier than just about anyone, and he has great returns. Agassi can force Federer, Hewitt cannot.

Roger-No.1
11-19-2004, 02:39 AM
Congrats on your win Roger

yanchr
11-19-2004, 05:25 AM
Nalle gave him more than enough to handle at the Aus Open and that match could have easily gone to 5 sets, if he took his chances in that match, and he had them in all sets.
That was THE match of Roger's AO, I mean in terms of its significance. Luck did help Roger out of trouble to some degree. So I'm expecting much from Nalby next year.

yanchr
11-19-2004, 05:34 AM
That is irrelavent as that was Henman and this was Roger. Its a much different match up of games between Federer-Roddick and Henman Roddick. Yes, he hit some good passing shots, but Henman didn't do quite stick the volley enough at times, and Federer has a far better ground game. And no, again, Federer is able to get the serve back very deep and low most of the time, serve and volley wont work. Many of Henman's chipped returns, sat up high, and nice for Roddick, allowing him to take control of the point. That would actually be disasterous for Roddick if he tried to do serve and volley against Federer. Add into the fact that Federer has a superior serve, if his game's clicking, Roast Duck will be on the menu again. :)
I agree with what you said about the technical part. Roger won't give Andy as many chances to actully hit those great shots as Henman did. The simplest fact is that Roger never comes into the net as much as Henman.

You seem to have the maximum faith in Roger against Andy, not only for now. That's just what I don't have, esp not sure about future. I already see the improvement from Andy, which I think will still surprise me even bigger.