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Safin def. Coria 6-1 6-4

jazz_girl
11-16-2004, 09:28 PM
Congratulations Marat!!!
It wasn't a great match to watch, but I'm happy for Coria, even though he's not at his best at all, he gave it all and played with a great attitude! :worship: And Marat had a great gesture by telling him, he played a good match :yeah:

RonE
11-16-2004, 09:30 PM
Well done :banana::worship:

Jorge
11-16-2004, 09:32 PM
Gracias Marat :yeah:

RPH
11-16-2004, 09:32 PM
Marat :worship: :worship: :D :woohoo:

Hope Coria's shoulder is killing him now just like being him being killed by Marat just then :devil: :devil: :devil:

-wokkel-
11-16-2004, 09:36 PM
Marat :yeah:

Welcome back Guille!! :bounce:

-wokkel-
11-16-2004, 09:37 PM
Hope Coria's shoulder is killing him now just like being him being killed by Marat just then :devil: :devil: :devil:
Please die...

Alvarillo
11-16-2004, 09:38 PM
Good Job Marat!
Guille you should have waited for 2005 ....

RPH
11-16-2004, 09:38 PM
Please die...

No :)

But if you want to die then go ahead :)

Chloe le Bopper
11-16-2004, 09:39 PM
Please die...
Wouldn't it be nice if *all* the halfwits and trolls around here would just "die" away? :confused:

Anyways, good to see that Coria finished the match. That's all I was looking for from him anyways.

Adam Thirnis
11-16-2004, 09:41 PM
Coria made a big mistake coming to Houston. 5 months without a match he's only ever going to get a thrashing coming straight in at this level. He won't win a set in TMC.

RPH
11-16-2004, 09:43 PM
Wouldn't it be nice if *all* the halfwits and trolls around here would just "die" away? :confused:



No :)

It'd please too many people :)

CoriaFan4ever
11-16-2004, 10:17 PM
Safin is the player of the moment, im glad for Guille that the 2nd set was somewhat close, but obviously- no chance against marat today (congrats to him and hes such a nice guy :worship: ) and maybe guille can win a set vs. henman :)

Pea
11-16-2004, 10:23 PM
Marat!:bounce:

|-Safin_Coria-|
11-16-2004, 10:30 PM
Great job Safin! :worship:
It's great to see Coria back :)

Fergie
11-16-2004, 10:33 PM
Congrats Marat :banana:

Coria, go home :o

Lady
11-16-2004, 10:35 PM
Damn at Eurosport! :fiery:

2 my biggest faves! :hearts:

Well done Marat & Guille!! :clap2: It's great to have Guille back! :)

They were so firndly with each other (and Carlos) during opening ceremony! They have a really good relationshop! :D

Fernando Borda
11-16-2004, 10:37 PM
good game guille, you will be nro 1 in next year :worship: , marat excelent! ;)

Carito_90
11-16-2004, 10:52 PM
Coria made a big mistake coming to Houston. 5 months without a match he's only ever going to get a thrashing coming straight in at this level. He won't win a set in TMC.

Do you think he actually went to Houston to win? If he had waited till 2005 to come back that'd have been 5 months of inactivity (yeah you exagerated a lil bit) and it'd have been much harder to completely come back. His injury has completely healed and even though he's not 100% and he's still pretty stiff, if he decided to play it's because he can knows he can play without having any problems (as for injuries or pain of course). You should have seen his face when he won his first and second game. He had a ear-to-ear smile. That shows his ambitions as for the TMC I think.

Anyways, regarding the match... I'm VERY happy with the way Guille was playing in the second set. You could tell he wasn't feeling any kind of pain and it were only the months of inactivity (and the fact that he was playing Safin maybe) that didn't let him win the match. He wasn't too dissapointed after the loose as he knew that was nearly the best he could do today. We'll see in his next match :)

Marat did play well, not a GREAT match but he played well enough to beat Guille. (17 winners and 20 UE... that's what i mean by not GREAT)

Chloe le Bopper
11-16-2004, 10:52 PM
Damn at Eurosport! :fiery:

2 my biggest faves! :hearts:

Well done Marat & Guille!! :clap2: It's great to have Guille back! :)

They were so firndly with each other (and Carlos) during opening ceremony! They have a really good relationshop! :D
No no, Coria is the most despicable person on earth and nobody is even remotely nice to him ever. You clearly don't read here enough if you don't know that eternal truth ;)

Mr. Man
11-16-2004, 10:53 PM
Good win, Marat.

Carito_90
11-16-2004, 10:59 PM
No no, Coria is the most despicable person on earth and nobody is even remotely nice to him ever. You clearly don't read here enough if you don't know that eternal truth ;)

:lol: :lol:

One last comment... Coria is being a bit underrated in this match because of the score. I'm not saying it was a REALLY close match and either of them could have won but Marat did struggle to win some points in some parts of the match.
So no, I wouldn't tell Guille to go home... I'd like to see what he can do in his 3rd match of the RR ;)

Fernando Borda
11-16-2004, 11:32 PM
Coria no pudo con Safin
Cayó por 6-1 y 6-4 con el ruso en su primer partido desde Wimbledon.
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Guillermo coria tuvo un irregular debut en esta edición 2004 del Masters de Houston, aunque teniendo en cuenta que no jugaba un partido desde Wimbledon, la derrota por 6-1 y 6-4 ante el ruso Marat Safin no debe sorprender. Ya lo había dicho él antes de arrancar el torneo: "Tenísticamente, estoy 4 puntos".

Y esa larga inactividad se notó desde el comienzo. El Mago ganó sólo un punto en su primer game de saque y se lo notaba muy inseguro con su servicio. Sumando los errores del tenista de Rufino a los aciertos de Safin, quien es sin dudas uno de los mejores jugadores del momento, el primer parcial no podía terminar de otra manera: un contundente 6-1 para el ruso.

Sin embargo, con el correr de los puntos, Coria empezó a encontrar profundidad con sus golpes, aunque seguía siendo Safin quien tenía la iniciativa. Por lo tanto, podía pensarse que el desarrollo se emparejaría en el segundo parcial. Y así fue. Coria levantó el nivel, arriesgó más, erro menos, ajustó el saque y hasta hizo un ace que acompañó con una enorme sonrisa.

De todas maneras, Safin quebró en el tercer game y todo se hizo cuesta arriba para Coria: estaba set abajo, break abajo, y encima, del otro lado de la red estaba el ganador de los últimos dos Masters Series del año y gran candidato a darle pelea al suizo Roger Federer.

Más allá de esa levantada, nada pudo hacer Coria, ya que si bien mantuvo su saque, al ruso le alcanzó con mantener el suyo para llevarse el segundo parcial por 6-4.

Guillermo Coria puede irse contento: agarró ritmo y demostró porqué está entre los 8 maestros en Houston. Ya se sacó de encima al rival más difícil del grupo y ahora le quedan Roddick y Henman para seguir probándose y, quien sabe, tal vez se gana un lugar en las semifinales.

De su juego pudieron verse todas esas delicias que Coria acostumbra a regala en cada partido, por eso, todos aquellos quienes se deleitan con su juego pueden quedarse tranquilos: la magia está intacta.

WyveN
11-16-2004, 11:55 PM
Coria made a big mistake coming to Houston. 5 months without a match he's only ever going to get a thrashing coming straight in at this level. He won't win a set in TMC.

I think he will. He was very rusty early on due to lack of match play but once he went a break down in the second set he began to play very well and I think he can trouble Roddick or Henman.

LiZpHaIr
11-16-2004, 11:57 PM
Stupid Guillermo....Stupid name.....You are so cool Marat!

Chloe le Bopper
11-17-2004, 12:20 AM
:lol: :lol:

One last comment... Coria is being a bit underrated in this match because of the score. I'm not saying it was a REALLY close match and either of them could have won but Marat did struggle to win some points in some parts of the match.
So no, I wouldn't tell Guille to go home... I'd like to see what he can do in his 3rd match of the RR ;)
I didn't see this match (work, blah), but I wouldn't be surprised to see Safin beat a healthy and match tough Coria by this scoreline on any surface either than clay. Coria is a good player on other surfaces of course, but Safin is such an imposing opponent (when the mood strikes) that this scoreline wouldn't have struck me as a big surprise either way. So.. I'm confused as to why people look at it and think that he needs to go home :confused: Unless, of course, he was gimping about. I obviously wouldn't have seen that.

Lady
11-17-2004, 12:27 AM
I didn't see this match (work, blah), but I wouldn't be surprised to see Safin beat a healthy and match tough Coria by this scoreline on any surface either than clay. Coria is a good player on other surfaces of course, but Safin is such an imposing opponent (when the mood strikes) that this scoreline wouldn't have struck me as a big surprise either way. So.. I'm confused as to why people look at it and think that he needs to go home :confused: Unless, of course, he was gimping about. I obviously wouldn't have seen that.

Completely agree! If Rogi bagells Lleyton on Wednesday, will all those people suggest lleyton to go home? :shrug:

Guille played Ok today, it's not like Guille is playing a player outside top 100!
He lost to Safin on hard courts, he must be ashamed! :rolleyes:

Anyway, go Guille!
As for supporting evil tennis players, we know how it feels like, Rebecca! ;)

Lady
11-17-2004, 12:28 AM
Oh, just heard some Russians in the crowd during the match! :D

coriafan01
11-17-2004, 12:42 AM
Marat :worship: :worship: :D :woohoo:

Hope Coria's shoulder is killing him now just like being him being killed by Marat just then :devil: :devil: :devil:

Please die NOW...

drf716
11-17-2004, 12:46 AM
congratulations marat hope ull be in the finals and beat roger 6-0, 7-6, 7-5 just like in my dream !!!!

coriafan01
11-17-2004, 12:48 AM
Geez they are going through two different moments. Marat is peaking while Guille is getting ready for 2005. Physically it seems that Marat has an advantage but then I would say the same about Hewitt v Marat. Coria could do in the future what Hewitt has done.

Fedex
11-17-2004, 12:54 AM
:) :yeah: :woohoo: Great stuff from Safin today. :)

PennyThePenguin
11-17-2004, 01:11 AM
:woohoo: now two more matches! oh wait...two plus two...FOUR!

Billabong
11-17-2004, 02:01 AM
Marat:worship:! He's on fire:eek:!

haas'luv
11-17-2004, 02:10 AM
congrats marat :worship:

gabnouwop
11-17-2004, 02:44 AM
Congrats :yeah:

Action Jackson
11-17-2004, 02:44 AM
Well done Marat, did what he had to do and saved some energy which is a good thing for him. As for Coria, I still doubt that he should have turned up and played, but in the second set he showed some glimpses of his form, and I am actually very happy he decided to have a laugh especially when he served that really slow ace.

alfonsojose
11-17-2004, 02:51 AM
Safin :yeah:
Coria, no cramps :worship: :tape:

daze11
11-17-2004, 03:46 AM
Thanks for the report on guille's ear-to-ear smile; it shows he knows why he's there. If Safin HADN'T won in convincing form, it would have been embarrassing...he's been steamrolling for months; Guille has barely been on court even in practice! But what a great way to get back into the swing of things...play great players and get your gusto going. It sounds like his expectations are realistic, and he still has a better shot at taking a match (or set) than does gaudio.

Those saying 'go home' are just saying they hate coria...it's not so complicated. Why they bother posting such things?? well, they are bored and let's face it...coria will have to deal with the 'don't hate me because i'm beautiful' stigma for a long time. He will always be more attractive than the person across the net. :lol:

Anyway, I'm sure he was so bored not playing for so long, he is overjoyed to have his toes on the court again and to begin to produce the magic with that racquet!! And seeing that his fans are not fair-weather-friends, and will be supporting him in his quiet ascension back up to regular 'el mago' standard of form must be a great bonus to his journey! Praise god for such a dynamic, passionate, and fun player to grace the tour...it was much less exciting without him in action.

Action Jackson
11-17-2004, 03:52 AM
Those saying 'go home' are just saying they hate coria...it's not so complicated. Why they bother posting such things?? well, they are bored and let's face it...coria will have to deal with the 'don't hate me because i'm beautiful' stigma for a long time. He will always be more attractive than the person across the net. :lol:

That was a very thoughtful paragraph. I can't stand the guy and it's not because he is beautiful and you might fail to see that there are people who can appreciate his game ( I have said that numerous times), but can't stand him. Just cause I back an opinion with some facts does that mean I am bored?

Fedex
11-17-2004, 04:13 AM
It will be up to Safin to beat Roddick and finish number one in his group. :)

Chloe le Bopper
11-17-2004, 04:16 AM
Coria is one of my favourite players, but I don't think he's beautiful ;) But his game is beautiful and his passion for the game is beautiful, and that's more important :p.. well, to me. Just this one time.

tennischick
11-17-2004, 04:18 AM
did Coria actually show up? when i saw some of those Safin aces i swore there was no-one else on the other side of the court :tape:

Action Jackson
11-17-2004, 04:20 AM
Coria is one of my favourite players, but I don't think he's beautiful ;) But his game is beautiful and his passion for the game is beautiful, and that's more important :p.. well, to me. Just this one time.

I prefer you when you are shallow.

Chloe le Bopper
11-17-2004, 04:21 AM
I prefer you when you are shallow.
Okay, let's talk about Robredo ;)

Chloe le Bopper
11-17-2004, 04:21 AM
Or better yet - got any photos of Gaudio's butt ? ;)

Chloe le Bopper
11-17-2004, 04:21 AM
Wait... no.. that's not better. But it will do.

Action Jackson
11-17-2004, 04:22 AM
Or better yet - got any photos of Gaudio's butt ? ;)

Alfie is the resident Buttman, it would be better to ask him, but I imagine there would be some in the Gaudio forum.

Auscon
11-17-2004, 04:46 AM
hope their match at the hopman cup will be a bit closer

Five
11-17-2004, 05:04 AM
Поздравляю Марат :yeah:.Это то что ты должен делать ;)

*Ljubica*
11-17-2004, 05:36 AM
Поздравляю Марат :yeah:.Это то что ты должен делать ;)

Я соглашаюсь :yeah:

daze11
11-17-2004, 05:41 AM
That was a very thoughtful paragraph. I can't stand the guy and it's not because he is beautiful and you might fail to see that there are people who can appreciate his game ( I have said that numerous times), but can't stand him. Just cause I back an opinion with some facts does that mean I am bored?
i just said people who get on merely to say 'go home' are bored...its the equivalent to sticking your tongue out at someone; a silly childish gesture with no meaning other than to express immaturity. i was not invalidating people's sincere feeling to dislike him, but responding to someone's question about why some people said he should go home and some other drivel. and it was certainly not directed at you. you have expressed a healthy dislike for your own reasons, but at least you construct sentences in doing so. :)

Action Jackson
11-17-2004, 05:44 AM
you have expressed a healthy dislike for your own reasons, but at least you construct sentences in doing so. :)

One thing is it possible to educate some of the Coria fans about cramps and how cramp is not an injury. If you could do that, and yes I have many sources that back up that view, then there could be some progress. :)

daze11
11-17-2004, 05:53 AM
Coria is one of my favourite players, but I don't think he's beautiful ;) But his game is beautiful and his passion for the game is beautiful, and that's more important :p.. well, to me. Just this one time.
now THAT is fascinating. i could see someone not liking his conduct or even his play, but he is the mens circuit equivalent to sharapova; the only one who could make an easy living as a model if he didnt play tennis. but one can only admit theres no universal characteristics of beauty, i suppose. :rolleyes: (And I will admit, however--since you mentioned it--gaudio's ass is a lot better than having to look at his face! :lol: )

Now, to more serious matters, lets look at this pix and be sure we are talking about coria not being the most undressable man to play since borg.

daze11
11-17-2004, 06:02 AM
One thing is it possible to educate some of the Coria fans about cramps and how cramp is not an injury. If you could do that, and yes I have many sources that back up that view, then there could be some progress. :)
thats a matter of semantics and those fans are correct for the purposes of identifying tennis results. whether it is a medical 'injury' or if you are in extraordinary pain and discomfort, you are HAMPERED in your ABILITY. You could just as easily have a medical 'injury' that does NOT necessarily hamper your play...so which one of those conditions matters in reflecting on a tennis match? food poisoning is not an injury either. it would suck to play a match while under its influence, however.

Action Jackson
11-17-2004, 06:15 AM
thats a matter of semantics and those fans are correct for the purposes of identifying tennis results. whether it is a medical 'injury' or if you are in extraordinary pain and discomfort, you are HAMPERED in your ABILITY. You could just as easily have a medical 'injury' that does NOT necessarily hamper your play...so which one of those conditions matters in reflecting on a tennis match? food poisoning is not an injury either. it would suck to play with it however.

You are kidding yourself with that first sentence. Why? There is a thing called a Medical journal and you go to any respected GP or a hospital and they say cramp is an injury, then they should be thrown out of the respective medical association.

Ok, whose fault is that? Yes, this has been discussed many times, but you don't seem to get it. Another thing don't just try and twist something around to suit your point of view, when the clear scientific and medical facts prove otherwise.

Food poisoning is an illness, but cramp is preventable with the right management of the muscles and fluid intake. An example of someone having a legit reason for an injury was when Thomas Muster got hit by a drunk driver on the wrong side of the road, that's a legit injury and a reason not to play a match.

Physical conditioning is an issue, and no one should be punished or crucified for being in better physcial condition and all it comes down to is hollow excuses saying cramp is an injury, mental toughness, physical endurance and strength is part of the game, and if someone is weak there and they get exposed then they should be punished, just like someone with a poor backhand, they get punished when it doesn't function.

daze11
11-17-2004, 06:30 AM
Physical conditioning is an issue, and no one should be punished or crucified for being in better physcial condition and all it comes down to is hollow excuses saying cramp is an injury, mental toughness, physical endurance and strength is part of the game, and if someone is weak there and they get exposed then they should be punished, just like someone with a poor backhand, they get punished when it doesn't function.
i do get it. but nothing will change that many people will never agree with you that physical conditioning counts equal to tennis skill, and bringing a beautiful sport like tennis down to a 'survival of the fittest' determination of a match is actually a sad condition for tennis as a sport. Tennis is not boxing. Alot of us would prefer half the top 10 NOT be sidelined by unnecessary ailments, when the history of the sport up until just a few years ago was almost completely without them. Skinny-legged Bjorn Borg was never injured, nor Chris Evert in the first 20 years of play, until her 30s. Talent deserves victory more than lack of "injury", especially since some players are born with sturdier bodies and probably often do LESSwork to be fit than those who are more prone to injury naturally.

*Ljubica*
11-17-2004, 06:58 AM
now THAT is fascinating. i could see someone not liking his conduct or even his play, but he is the mens circuit equivalent to sharapova; the only one who could make an easy living as a model if he didnt play tennis. but one can only admit theres no universal characteristics of beauty, i suppose. :rolleyes: (And I will admit, however--since you mentioned it--gaudio's ass is a lot better than having to look at his face! :lol: ) Now, to more serious matters, lets look at this pix and be sure we are talking about coria not being the most undressable man to play since borg.


Now I'm sorry, and I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I just have to take exception to that. Coria is NOT beautiful and he could NOT make it as model. Marat could, - and maybe Jan-Michael Gambill and Mark Phillippoussis although I'm not a personal fan of either - but Coria - :confused: :confused: And as for being undressable - well - when I undress a man I want a real man not one that looks like a 14 year old!

Action Jackson
11-17-2004, 06:59 AM
i do get it. but nothing will change that many people will never agree with you that physical conditioning counts equal to tennis skill, and bringing a beautiful sport like tennis down to a 'survival of the fittest' determination of a match is actually a sad condition for tennis as a sport. Tennis is not boxing. Alot of us would prefer half the top 10 NOT be sidelined by unnecessary ailments, when the history of the sport up until just a few years ago was almost completely without them. Skinny-legged Bjorn Borg was never injured, nor Chris Evert in the first 20 years of play, until her 30s. Talent deserves victory more than lack of "injury", especially since some players are born with sturdier bodies and probably often do LESSwork to be fit than those who are more prone to injury naturally.

I was just going to leave, but I have to answer and scratch my head at what I have read, so I'll break it down. It's not my fault that some people are too stupid to see past their own biases.

When did I say physical conditioning is equal to tennis skill? For the record they are just as important as each other. Why? You need the conditoning to play at a higher and more skillful level for a longer period of time and Grand Slam tennis is played over 5 sets in tough conditions, and the players need to be able to cope with that.

You are really clutching at straws here and it's sad. Do you think players in tennis and other sports enjoy pre-season training? No, but they have to have a strong physical base for their upcoming seasons, and they don't get that without a strong base.

Are you trying to educate me about the history of tennis and training, as I have come down in the last shower? Has it never occured to you that there has been a large increase of tennis being played in neutral speed surfaces such as hardcourts, which are lot worse on the body than grass or clay. The fact that there are more tournaments, and there is less of a recovery time in between the seasons is another factor as well.

Yannick Noah, Miloslav Mecir, Marcelo Rios and Hicham Arazi are among some of the most naturally talented players ever to play the game, but it's not all about talent, there are lot of other factors that make top and successful players, so your last sentence is rubbish in reality and just clouding the facts, that you still can't handle the fact that a player that you like, came up short when it mattered.

Federer is outrageously gifted, but he hasn't had this year just because of his talent. Come back with an argument that has some basis to it please. :)

Fedex
11-17-2004, 07:17 AM
Well, its good to see that the trolls have once again taken over GM.

RPH
11-17-2004, 07:59 AM
Please die NOW...

Im still alive :)

*Ljubica*
11-17-2004, 08:40 AM
Im still alive :)

Nice to see you RPH :wavey:

alfonsojose
11-17-2004, 11:40 AM
Alfie is the resident Buttman, it would be better to ask him, but I imagine there would be some in the Gaudio forum.
No more gettyimages :tears: :sobbing:

Denise
11-17-2004, 11:55 AM
YAYYYYYYYYYY MARATTTTTTT!!!!!!! Well done :yeah: :kiss:
You welcome Guille! :p

fco253
11-17-2004, 12:22 PM
Are you trying to educate me about the history of tennis and training, as I have come down in the last shower? Has it never occured to you that there has been a large increase of tennis being played in neutral speed surfaces such as hardcourts, which are lot worse on the body than grass or clay. The fact that there are more tournaments, and there is less of a recovery time in between the seasons is another factor as well.



Regarding this point, it strikes me as odd that even Players, ATP, Tourney Owners and in general everybody is loosing money by the large increase of injury periods, no one has suggested reducing carpet and hard from 70% to 20-30% of the circuit, and spread the rest between red clay and grass (or even bring back green clay)?

I have shared this idea for ever, and I personally never play on hard when I have even a slight pain in my legs, but GWH, are there medical studies that support the view that hard courts are worse for the body?

landoud
11-17-2004, 12:39 PM
well done safin .. although i wanted coria to win

RPH
11-17-2004, 02:36 PM
Nice to see you RPH :wavey:

Rosie :wavey: :bigwave:

daze11
11-17-2004, 03:03 PM
Regarding this point, it strikes me as odd that even Players, ATP, Tourney Owners and in general everybody is loosing money by the large increase of injury periods, no one has suggested reducing carpet and hard from 70% to 20-30% of the circuit, and spread the rest between red clay and grass (or even bring back green clay)?

I have shared this idea for ever, and I personally never play on hard when I have even a slight pain in my legs, but GWH, are there medical studies that support the view that hard courts are worse for the body?
yes, but its NOT just hard courts and more tournaments; they sped up the ball with higher compression to make things "more exciting" from those matches you see in the 70s and 80s and the ITF has already been discussing DECOMPRESSING the ball and changing the limitations of racquet size and weight that has also contributed to the injuries by putting too much of a toll on the body without adequate moments even within points for the body to make proper adjustments.

But Mr. Hitler, properly named, sees ONE way, HIS way, and the truth as one thing. :yawn: The nature of a discussion board is to reflect the fact of different opinions which all have validity and which are used for reflection by many with differing views to see and share aspects of a larger pie.

Meanwhile...there are medical studies that show greater stress on the body from hard court, but there is a financial issue of easier court maintenance with hard court than clay and grass which require 'tending' and YEAR-ROUND maintenance...not just for the one week of the tournament. This makes it more possible to have more tournaments in more places. BUt certainly the amount of money tennis is drawing can pay for court surfaces which, to me, make the sport more interesting anyway....AND contribute to the sport by being more pliant for the body.

Chloe le Bopper
11-17-2004, 11:54 PM
No no, Coria is the most despicable person on earth and nobody is even remotely nice to him ever. You clearly don't read here enough if you don't know that eternal truth ;)
Somebody took this seriously and bad repped me for it :lol:

Lee
11-18-2004, 03:43 AM
Somebody took this seriously and bad repped me for it :lol:

:lol:

Action Jackson
11-18-2004, 08:40 AM
No more gettyimages :tears: :sobbing:

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Action Jackson
11-18-2004, 08:45 AM
But Mr. Hitler, properly named, sees ONE way, HIS way, and the truth as one thing. :yawn: The nature of a discussion board is to reflect the fact of different opinions which all have validity and which are used for reflection by many with differing views to see and share aspects of a larger pie.

Actually that is incorrect, come to think of it there are many people on here whose opinions I respect and much of the time we don't always agree and that's fine. It was just that your points had so many holes in them and was just excuse making to cover particular failings and that was pointed out.

At least your last post had some good and relevant points, so there is hope. :)