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Red Group, Match 2 : Lleyton Hewitt d. Carlos Moya 6-7(5), 6-2, 6-4

Raquel
11-16-2004, 09:02 PM
Well done Lleyton! :yeah: Very crucial to get that win as I think he has a good chance of beating Gaston and that hopefully should be enough to qualify for the semis :)

Sorry Carlos :kiss: , but Lleyton takes priority :)

kim-fan
11-16-2004, 09:03 PM
well done lleyton :)

Socket
11-16-2004, 09:05 PM
Lleyton played GREAT!!! Congratulations, mate! You had some wonderful gets there.

TheBoiledEgg
11-16-2004, 09:08 PM
Carlos is out :sad:

but he looked ok considering his 1st match in 2 months.


this match decided who went thru
had Carlos won, then Hewitt still had a chance

now gp is over

Havok
11-16-2004, 09:08 PM
Moya :retard: He didn't have a return of serve whatsoever in this match.:o Nice stuff from Hewitt though, his serve was very good today and his winners/errors ratio was good as well. Moya's tank of a 2nd set was disgusting, and the final points he played to get broken in that 3rd set was hilarious. When Hewitt is on the dead run and looking to hit a forehand, he'll go down the line almost everytime, but Moya stood in the middle like an idiot and was easily passed. Also Moya should really try to hit some more backhands instead of running around 97% or them. His backhand is pretty good and can hold up well, instead he runs around it to hit forehands and they cost him territory and the point sometimes. Nice match by both and this was a very crucial match for either one of them because now they both have to face Gaudio and Federer, one almost a guaranteed win, the other a guaranteed loss.:lol:

liptea
11-16-2004, 09:10 PM
If ever there was a need for instant replay, I hope this match proved it.

I think there were at least six different calls that were disgusting, especially one at 30-30 (I could be wrong bout the score). Moya even asked at one point.

What a yucky, horrible day. :sad: :sad:

Jorge
11-16-2004, 09:25 PM
oh Carlos, again you did it! :mad:

at least seems he is ok to play Davis Cup

RonE
11-16-2004, 09:26 PM
Well done to Lleyton :yeah:

I always enjoy the matches between Carlos and Lleyton- they are very intense and you know Lleyton always gives 100%.

Carlos started off well winning the 1st set, but then in the 2nd the blade broke off from the handle and that was the end of his peeling efforts.

Hopefully a peeler made in Switzerland will prove to be of higher quality and durability :devil:

RogiFan88
11-16-2004, 09:32 PM
Carlos, how could you after winning that TB? Oh well, just try to win 1 match, then go back to Spain cos the team needs you to win your matches...

Will we see Carlos/Gaston tomorrow on ESPN??

Horatio Caine
11-16-2004, 09:37 PM
Carlos has to beat Gaudio in straight sets to have any hope of qualifying for the semis.

TheBoiledEgg
11-16-2004, 09:39 PM
even a Carlos win over Gaudio wont help

no one in the right mind thinks Hewitt is gonna lose to Gaudio.

RogiFan88
11-16-2004, 09:41 PM
I just hope that Gaudio can trouble Hewitt tho...

loret
11-16-2004, 09:46 PM
Gaudio can trouble many people so it's never easy to play him.

Too bad Carlos couldn't tough it out today. I was hoping he would take advantage of Lleyton's tightness to close out the match...

Jorge
11-16-2004, 09:52 PM
Carlos has to beat Gaudio in straight sets to have any hope of qualifying for the semis.
It's over, Is more than likely that Hewitt will qualify alongside with Roger. as TBE said I don't see Guadio beating Hewitt if Lleyton plays like he did it today. In the Other hand I don't see Carlos beating Roger :sad:

Well, at least I think Carlos's shoulder is enough recovered to kick Roddick ass in Sevilla next month :yeah:

Neely
11-16-2004, 09:55 PM
The positive thing for Carlos here is definitely that he seems to be fit and that his shoulder problems are gone.

I was quite impressed by Carlos' game even though it was not enough at the end.

But the point Lleyton played to earn the break point in the third set that he finally successfully converted, was just awesome and it was worth a BIG AND HUGE C'MONNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!

Carlos could have gotten out of this game and maybe forced another tiebreak, but Lleyton was biting too much in this match and it was a deserved win for him. Congrats, Lleyton!! :clap2:


No shame for Carlos, he did well! :yeah:

loret
11-16-2004, 09:57 PM
Hey Jorge,
Where in Mexico are you?

TheBoiledEgg
11-16-2004, 09:58 PM
as long as Carlos wins a match over Gaudio thats all he can ask for

he hasnt won a match since US Open :o
(being injured dont help) but 4 losses in a row :(

Is he trying to do a Ferrero of last yr ???
he ended last yr with 6 losses

mitalidas
11-16-2004, 09:59 PM
wow, safin is really thrashing coria

now, we wait for all the coria excuses. i didn't really want to play, i am still injured, i am in another time-zone and half asleep, etc.

Jorge
11-16-2004, 10:03 PM
Hey Jorge,
Where in Mexico are you?
in El Bajío, have you been here?

RPH
11-16-2004, 10:07 PM
Lleyton :D :)

Tough match but just good enough in the end :p

loret
11-16-2004, 10:12 PM
in El Bajío, have you been here?

It's my favorite region of Mexico. I love the ocean/desert feel.
I was born in El Paso which is right on top of Chihuahua and there is no ocean as you know...

Jorge
11-16-2004, 10:19 PM
It's my favorite region of Mexico. I love the ocean/desert feel.
I was born in El Paso which is right on top of Chihuahua and there is no ocean as you know...
errm El Bajío is in the core of México. No ocean nearby. But it's a very beautiful region :)

BTW I have been in your town a couple of times. do you have hispanic blood? Loret is a spanish last name.

loret
11-16-2004, 10:24 PM
BTW I have been in your town a couple of times. do you have hispanic blood? Loret is a spanish last name.

My bad, I was thinking Baja ;)
Yes, I am hispanic. Not born in MX but have mostly mexican blood and some Spanish.

Sjengster
11-16-2004, 10:31 PM
Moya :retard: He didn't have a return of serve whatsoever in this match.:o Nice stuff from Hewitt though, his serve was very good today and his winners/errors ratio was good as well. Moya's tank of a 2nd set was disgusting, and the final points he played to get broken in that 3rd set was hilarious. When Hewitt is on the dead run and looking to hit a forehand, he'll go down the line almost everytime, but Moya stood in the middle like an idiot and was easily passed. Also Moya should really try to hit some more backhands instead of running around 97% or them. His backhand is pretty good and can hold up well, instead he runs around it to hit forehands and they cost him territory and the point sometimes. Nice match by both and this was a very crucial match for either one of them because now they both have to face Gaudio and Federer, one almost a guaranteed win, the other a guaranteed loss.:lol:

Ah Naldo, once again your knowledge and insight shine through. With Hewitt serving at 81% in the second set it's hardly surprising Moya didn't win many points on his serve, but then equally it's not surprising that he didn't make much of an impact on returns in the whole match - when you haven't played for a long time, returning is just about the hardest thing to get the rhythm on. I didn't see a tank from Moya in the second set, I saw excellent aggressive play by Hewitt, and don't tell me that he always passes down the line on the forehand - he can go either way, if Moya had covered the line he'd just have flicked it cross-court instead. That was simply an incredible get. And lastly yes, what an excellent backhand Moya actually has, so good that he made one backhand winner in the entire match and dumped every single backhand pass into the middle of the net when Hewitt came in on that wing. There's a reason why he favours his forehand so much, especially against Hewitt when he knows he has to punch holes in the Aussie's defences.

To all who watched the match: don't you just love Hewitt shrieking repeatedly after every point he wins and then doing a double fist-pump down at the court after the match is over, the very epitome of class? Why, the sound of it echoes joyously in my heart. Please Fed, do it again tomorrow. And I don't mean a bagel, Hewitt is playing too well for that, just come through somehow.

WyveN
11-16-2004, 10:34 PM
And I don't mean a bagel, Hewitt is playing too well for that, just come through somehow.

Thats what people say prior to every one of their matches ;)
Then again their match is likely to be just a exhibition with both of them already qualified.

RonE
11-16-2004, 10:34 PM
To all who watched the match: don't you just love Hewitt shrieking repeatedly after every point he wins and then doing a double fist-pump down at the court after the match is over, the very epitome of class?

Some commentator (can't remember who) likened that gesture to "a man trying to start his lawnmower" :lol:

Sjengster
11-16-2004, 10:38 PM
True but, call me superstitious, I like to think that the only reason he's won all their matches so convincingly this year is that I for one haven't taken the win for granted beforehand, unlike some people *ahem, Fedex*... Hewitt did play very aggressively, resulting in the usual ugly spectacle of him throwing himself bodily into cross-court forehands and muscling shots all over the place, but if he serves as well as he did today against Federer then he will certainly keep the match tight.

Alvarillo
11-16-2004, 10:40 PM
Charlie remember: the important date is in December not this week

RonE
11-16-2004, 10:41 PM
Yes, agreed Sjengster. Hewitt in this form is no pushover and Roger can't afford to let too many opportunities slip away from him. Hewitt will not be as forgiving as Gaudio was in that department.

Jimena
11-16-2004, 10:53 PM
To all who watched the match: don't you just love Hewitt shrieking repeatedly after every point he wins and then doing a double fist-pump down at the court after the match is over, the very epitome of class?

It's one of the most annoying things about Hewitt. I just want to slap him.

Plus the pitch in his come-ons is just about the most annoying pitch ever. My ears can barely handle it. Bleh.

TennisLurker
11-16-2004, 11:21 PM
now hewitt will play gaudio or federer?

Sjengster
11-16-2004, 11:36 PM
El Fedo.

Bee
11-17-2004, 12:17 AM
Aaah, Carlos couldn't quite do it today :( ... but looks like his shoulder held up, and not too bad a performance after his 'time out'. He needs the hard match practice before D.C. final.
And Classy Carlos is way out front in the behaviour stakes, compared to Lleyton ...(Grrr, 6-5 head-to-head for Hewitt now ... but you really can't count that woeful Sydney final in Jan. when Carlos injured his ankle & gifted the win to L.H. ... so I still think it's 5-5!)

Raquel
11-17-2004, 12:25 AM
To all who watched the match: don't you just love Hewitt shrieking repeatedly after every point he wins and then doing a double fist-pump down at the court after the match is over, the very epitome of class? Why, the sound of it echoes joyously in my heart. Please Fed, do it again tomorrow. And I don't mean a bagel, Hewitt is playing too well for that, just come through somehow.
Come on Sjengster, I know you don't like it but there's nothing wrong with showing some outward emotion. It may not be everyone's idea of "classy" behaviour but that's because I think tennis still has this image of being quite starchy and reserved. If everyone was as placid as Borg or Sampras or Federer then there wouldn't be the great contrasts with the fiery personalities like McEnroe, Connors, Agassi and Hewitt. I know with someone like Lleyton you either love or hate his behaviour but the tour would be boring without matches involving players with different personalities.

WyveN
11-17-2004, 12:53 AM
El Fedo.

Are you sure?
I think Hewitt plays Gaudio next.

Socket
11-17-2004, 01:04 AM
Are you sure?
I think Hewitt plays Gaudio next.
The schedule on the ATP site has Federer v. Hewitt tomorrow at 7 pm.

WyveN
11-17-2004, 01:07 AM
The schedule on the ATP site has Federer v. Hewitt tomorrow at 7 pm.

I know they used to have the top 2 seeds of each group play last, guess they changed things.

Lady
11-17-2004, 01:31 AM
Carlos is out :sad:

but he looked ok considering his 1st match in 2 months.


this match decided who went thru
had Carlos won, then Hewitt still had a chance

now gp is over

Agreed! Very good match from Carlos coming back.

Now I'm even more hopeful for him for Davis Cup! Even this Carlos is enought on clay against USA! :D I hope! ;)

Lady
11-17-2004, 01:33 AM
I know they used to have the top 2 seeds of each group play last, guess they changed things.

That actually makes sense. As Eggy & GoDom said about WTA schedule - 1 winners & 2 losers after Day 1 should play each other next!
That's how it's been done before, I think!

Fedex
11-17-2004, 01:35 AM
Moya played OK, but his serve was pretty bad in the 2nd set, and his return game was just horrible. Hewitt did what he needed to do. This was a must win for him. He would've been 0-1 going to play his nemesis Federer in the next round, who would've then knocked him out of the tournement. Hewitt was good today, for sure, but unfortuntly for Hewitt Federer looked sharp against Gaston, which is not a good sign for him.

Fedex
11-17-2004, 01:39 AM
True but, call me superstitious, I like to think that the only reason he's won all their matches so convincingly this year is that I for one haven't taken the win for granted beforehand, unlike some people *ahem, Fedex*... Hewitt did play very aggressively, resulting in the usual ugly spectacle of him throwing himself bodily into cross-court forehands and muscling shots all over the place, but if he serves as well as he did today against Federer then he will certainly keep the match tight.
He served very well today, true, but Moya' return game is nothing to Federer's. That is the major difference. There's no way Federer would allow Hewitt to serve 15+ aces, or miss so many returns, like Moya did. If Federer plays at a high level, I dont see Hewitt doing much better than he did in the USO Final. He may finally break the bagel streak, but I dont see him making this one very close.

Fedex
11-17-2004, 01:40 AM
Aaah, Carlos couldn't quite do it today :( ... but looks like his shoulder held up, and not too bad a performance after his 'time out'. He needs the hard match practice before D.C. final.
And Classy Carlos is way out front in the behaviour stakes, compared to Lleyton ...(Grrr, 6-5 head-to-head for Hewitt now ... but you really can't count that woeful Sydney final in Jan. when Carlos injured his ankle & gifted the win to L.H. ... so I still think it's 5-5!)
Yes, I also dont count that match in Sydney, so its still 5-5 h2h for me too. :)

Fedex
11-17-2004, 01:43 AM
Yes, agreed Sjengster. Hewitt in this form is no pushover and Roger can't afford to let too many opportunities slip away from him. Hewitt will not be as forgiving as Gaudio was in that department.
Hewitt was in suberp for going into the USO Final (winning 17 straight matches), and Federer still thrashed him. If Federer plays like that again, we will be seeing a similar score on the scoreboard, I think.

WyveN
11-17-2004, 02:33 AM
Hewitt was in suberp for going into the USO Final (winning 17 straight matches), and Federer still thrashed him. If Federer plays like that again, we will be seeing a similar score on the scoreboard, I think.


True, the level Hewitt is at is almost irrelevant. What will determine who wins the match and whether there are bagels is how well Federer plays.

bad gambler
11-17-2004, 02:40 AM
c'mon hewitt!!!

azza
11-17-2004, 06:05 AM
Lleyton :dance:

Action Jackson
11-17-2004, 06:22 AM
as long as Carlos wins a match over Gaudio thats all he can ask for

Is he trying to do a Ferrero of last yr ???
he ended last yr with 6 losses

At least he won't end up like the Poo.

Mr_Molik
11-17-2004, 09:07 AM
lleyton :D good luck against feds!

RonE
11-17-2004, 10:44 AM
Hewitt was in suberp for going into the USO Final (winning 17 straight matches), and Federer still thrashed him. If Federer plays like that again, we will be seeing a similar score on the scoreboard, I think.

True, but what concerns me is will Federer play like that?

At the USO he was match sharp beating the likes of Henman and Agassi and was into his groove. Here, he is coming off an injury and a long layoff. I just hope his match with Gaudio was enough to play him into good form going into this match. If it was, and if the fire in Federer is still burning from DC last year, then yes he is a solid favourite to beat Hewitt.

But if he has a bit of an off day and is still not 100% into his stride it could be a real dogfight between them.

bad gambler
11-17-2004, 10:52 AM
hewitt was superb today against moya - although teh scoreline suggested it was a tourgh contest, he served well and was very agressive which was the hewitt of old

tomorrow is where the blowtorch will be put on him - i'm not expecting a great deal, i learnt my lesson many time this year when he played federer

merle
11-17-2004, 11:40 AM
At least he won't end up like the Poo.

Pfff! Yeah, Choker Careless is more like it! :devil: What the heck is wrong with Moyke!!!!!!!!!!

WyveN
11-17-2004, 11:48 AM
hewitt was superb today against moya - although teh scoreline suggested it was a tourgh contest, he served well and was very agressive which was the hewitt of old


Moya played right into Hewitt's hands. I am surprised Moya didn't mix it up with a slice backhand as that worked well for him at Wimbledon and the constant change of pace is part of the reason Federer has handled Hewitt this year.

Denise
11-17-2004, 12:35 PM
MOYAAAAAAAA :sad:

TheBoiledEgg
11-17-2004, 01:43 PM
start of yesterday at 4-5 0-30
for remainder of 1st set, Carlos probably hit 1-2 backhands
and won set

Hewitt got more aggressive in set 2, Carlos in his shell was forced to play more and more BH's.
He should have carried on where he was, he was playing brillinantly until end of set 1.

but since when does one set win you a match ??? :(