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! ATP Tour - The Game 2005 ! - News, Rules & Sign-Up

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 11:33 AM
Hey everyone :cool:

Some of you may remember the 'ATP Tour - The Game' that I ran some time this year. Well, the good news is that this game will be relaunched the next year! GeorgeWHitler told me he wanted the game to make a restart and said that he would run it. I will be helping him out occasionally, and anyone else who wants to help out is more than welcome!

http://www.maratsafin-esp.com/fotos/Maratenoja2.jpg

Those who do not know what this game is about, will read about it below. Those who do know should pay attention to some slight changes :) For instance, we will use the ATP Calendar of 2005. That means, we will play all weeks long, all events on the ATP Tour! And you can no longer pick just any two players; everyone is limited to one player in the Top 20 (we will use the ranking that will be published later in this thread).

TOUR DIRECTORS:

GeorgeWHitler & CooCooCachoo
We are welcoming new directors too! PM us if you want to be a part of this unique game :)

SUGGESTIONS & NOTES:

- As some might know, this game originates on WTAworld, where it run by the lovely S-T-E-V-E :hug:. To do his hard work justice, we will want to stick to this version of the game as much as possible. However, we have made some changes, because of some differences between MTF and WTAworld (e.g. MTF has fewer members. Hence we allow every poster to select two players to play with).
- Participate with zeal and vigour! Try not to forget about this game when you leave the game's forum.
- Be as bitchy :devil: or nice :angel: as you want.
- Points can be sent in before the start of every tournament. Deadlines will be clearly stated. Once a tournament has started, you cannot change your points.
- Respect the other players, respect the directors and respect yourself!
- Have fun! :D
- Write articles :) They will make the game more fun!
- Check the rules thread frequently, because rules can change!

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/playerprofiles/images/F316_AS.jpg

THE RULES:

For this game, you have a certain number of points to divide into 3 sets (5 for Grand Slams and TMS Series finals). This number of points is the minimum of 200 + the amount of surface points you have for the surface the tournament is played on.

You have to split 20 surface points on these four surfaces:

Hard
Grass
Carpet
Clay

There is a maximum of 10 points per surface!

For example:

Hard:0
Grass:5
Carpet10
Clay:5

In this case, that would mean that you can split 205 points into five sets for Roland Garros (Grand Slam, Clay); and 205 in three sets for the Gerry Weber Open in Halle (International Series, Grass).

You will also play doubles. I will add the singles points of you and your doubles partner together.

So how do we decide the score? We do that based on the difference between your and your opponent's points:

Difference between the points:
150 or more - the set is 6-0
120-149 - the set is 6-1
90-119 - the set is 6-2
60-89 - the set is 6-3
30-59 - the set is 6-4
9-29 - the set is 7-5
8 - the set is 7-6 (0)
7 - the set is 7-6 (1)
6 - the set is 7-6 (2)
5 - the set is 7-6 (3)
4 - the set is 7-6 (4)
3 - the set is 7-6 (5)
2 - the set is 7-6 (6)
1 - the set is 7-6 (7)
0 - we flip a coin and the score will be 7-6 (9) for the winner of the coin toss

For example:

You: 5-10-80-5-100
Your Opponent: 10-5-5-100-80

You would win 6-7(3) 7-6(3) 6-3 2-6 7-5

Remember:

- For regular tournaments (International Series, International Series Gold, Tennis Masters Series and Challengers), split the points into three sets.
- For Grand Slams, Davis Cup, Tennis Masters Cup and Tennis Masters Series Finals, split the points into five sets.

The way you want to split those points is all up to you. You can have all points in one set, or you can split them evenly. As long as the total number of points adds up to your surface points + 200, it is fine with us!

Think of a good strategy before you send in your points! Whoever has the most points in a set wins the set. In case of a tie, we will flip a coin. You can see this as a net ball ;) Sending in your points has to be done via a PM to the ATPTOUR account which will be created :)

http://www.tennisontheline.org/roddick.jpg

HOW TO SIGN UP:

You can sign up whenever you like. Even if it is halfway through the year, you can still join the game. But, for your ranking, it would be best to join as soon as possible! :)
Signing up can be done by stating the two players you'd like (remember: a maximum of one top 20 player. The available and taken players will be mentioned in a later post) to play with. Do so in this thread, or send George or CooCooCachoo a PM. Of course, if you want, you can also select just one player.

http://www.pacificlifeopen.com/shared/photos/rx/kuerten3909_rx.jpg

AND THEN...

Once you have picked your player(s), be sure to commit to tournaments! The Tournament Calendar will be posted later as well; you can commit in the special Commitment Threads that will be made once the forum is operational again! Remember.. We start in 2005 :)

Also, don't forget to pick your doubles partner!

If you have any further questions or comments, just PM us! :)

So sign up and have fun!

:bigwave:

_____________
GeorgeWHitler
CooCooCachoo

Buddy
11-14-2004, 11:38 AM
Rainer Schuettler and Max Mirnyi pls!!!

joeb_uk
11-14-2004, 11:39 AM
ok thanks alot i would like to join, i suppose george has already picked gaudio?

my choices are (if not already taken, i would like two)
1 Gaudio
2 Volandri

Action Jackson
11-14-2004, 11:48 AM
joeb, could you swap Gaudio for Canas?

*Ljubica*
11-14-2004, 11:53 AM
Sounds like fun :) Can I have David please (what a surprise!), and Agustin Calleri. Thanks.

joeb_uk
11-14-2004, 11:55 AM
which two players do you want to pick george?

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 11:56 AM
1. Fernando Gonzalez
2. Jiri Novak

Action Jackson
11-14-2004, 11:58 AM
which two players do you want to pick george?

Gaudio
Zabaleta or Mantilla

joeb_uk
11-14-2004, 12:00 PM
ok my picks are mantilla and volandri

you can choose gaudio and zabaleta? is that ok?

Action Jackson
11-14-2004, 12:11 PM
ok my picks are mantilla and volandri

you can choose gaudio and zabaleta? is that ok?

Fine

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 12:12 PM
The Tournament Calendar:

Week: Tournament (Surface - ID):

Week 1....Qater ExxonMobil Open - Doha, Qatar (OH)
Week 1....Next Generation Hardcourts - Adelaide, Australia (OH)
Week 1....TATA Open - Chennai, India (OH)

Week 2....Heineken Open - Auckland, New Zealand (OH)
Week 2....Adidas International - Sydney, Australia (OH)

Week 3....Australian Open - Melbourne, Australia (OH)
Week 4....Australian Open - Melbourne, Australia (OH)

Week 5....Indesit ATP Milan Indoors - Milan, Italy (IC)
Week 5....Millennium International Tennis Championships - Delray Beach, Florida, USA (OH)
Week 5....BellSouth Open - Vina del Mar, Chile (C)

Week 6....Open 13 - Marseilles, France (IH)
Week 6....SAP Open - San Jose, California, USA (IH)
Week 6....ATP Buenos Aires 2005 - Buenos Aires, Argentina (C)

Week 7....ABN/AMRO World Tennis Tournament - Rotterdam, The Netherlands (IH)
Week 7....Regions Morgan Keegan Championships - Memphis, Tennessee, USA (IH)
Week 7....Brasil Open - Costa do Sauipe, Brazil (C)

Week 8....The Dubai Duty Free Men's Open - Dubai, United Arab Emirates (OH)
Week 8....Abierta Mexicano de Tenis - Acapulco, Mexico (C)
Week 8....The Arizona Men's Tennis Classic - Scottsdale, Arizona, USA (OH)

Week 9....The Pacific Life Open - Indian Wells, California, USA (OH)
Week 10....The Pacific Life Open - Indian Wells, California, USA (OH)

Week 11....The Nasdaq-100 Open - Miami, Florida, USA (OH)
Week 12....The Nasdaq-100 Open - Miami, Florida, USA (OH)

Week 13....Open de Tenis Comunidad Valenciana - Valencia, Spain (C)
Week 13....Grand Prix Hassan II - Casablanca, Morocco (C)

Week 14....Tennis Masters Series Monte Carlo - Monte Carlo, Monaco (C)

Week 15....Open Seat Godo - Barcelona, Spain (C)
Week 15....US Men's Clay Court Championships - Houston, Texas, USA (C)

Week 16....Estoril Open - Estoril, Portugal (C)
Week 16....BMW Open - Munich, Germany (C)

Week 17....Telecom Italia Masters Roma - Rome, Italy (C)

Week 18....Tennis Masters Series Hamburg - Hamburg, Germany (C)

Week 19....Internationaler Raiffeisen Grand Prix - St. Pölten, Austria (C)
Week 19....ATP World Team Championship - Düsseldorf, Germany (C)

Week 20....Roland Garros - Paris, France (C)
Week 21....Roland Garros - Paris, France (C)

Week 22....The Stella Artois Championships - Queen's, London, UK (G)
Week 22....Gerry Weber Open - Halle, Germany (G)

Week 23....Ordina Open - Rosmalen, The Netherlands (G)
Week 23....The Nottingham Open - Nottingham, UK (G)

Week 24....The Championships, Wimbledon - London, UK (G)
Week 25....The Championships, Wimbledon - London, UK (G)

Week 26....Allianz Suisse Open - Gstaad, Switzerland (C)
Week 26....Synsam Swedish Open - Bastad, Sweden (C)
Week 26....Campbell's Hall of Fame Tennis Championships - Newport, Rhode Island, USA (G)

Week 27....Mercedes Cup - Stuttgart, Germany (C)
Week 27....RCA Championships - Indianapolis, Indiana, USA (OH)
Week 27....The Priority Telecom Open - Amersfoort, The Netherlands (C)

Week 28....Generali Open - Kitzbühel, Austria (C)
Week 28....Croatia Open - Umag, Croatia (C)
Week 28....Mercedes-Benz Cup - Los Angeles, California, USA (OH)

Week 29....Idea Prokom Open - Sopot, Poland (C)
Week 29....Legg Mason tennis Classic - Washington D.C., USA (OH)

Week 30....Tennis Masters Series Canada - Montréal, Québec, Canada (OH)

Week 31....The Western & Southern Financial Group Masters - Cincinnati, Ohio, USA (OH)

Week 32....T.D. Waterhouse Cup - Long Island, New York, USA (OH)

Week 33....US Open - Flushing Meadows, New York, USA (OH)
Week 34....US Open - Flushing Meadows, New York, USA (OH)

Week 35....China Open - Beijing, China (OH)
Week 35....BCR Open Romania - Bucharest, Romania (C)

Week 36....Thailand Open - Bangkok, Thailand (IH)
Week 36....Heineken Open Shanghai - Shanghai, China (OH)
Week 36....Campionati Internazionali Di Sicilia - Palermo, Italy (C)

Week 37....AIG Japan Open - Tokyo, Japan (OH)
Week 37....Open de Moselle - Metz, France (IH)

Week 38....Kremlin Cup - Moscow, Russia (IC)
Week 38....CA Tennis Trophy - Vienna, Austria (IH)
Week 38....if... Stockholm Open - Stockholm, Sweden (IH)

Week 39....Tennis Masters Series Madrid - Madrid, Spain (IH)

Week 40....St. Petersburg Open - St. Petersburg, Russia (IC)
Week 40....Davidoff Swiss Indoors - Basel, Switzerland (IC)
Week 40....Grand Prix de Tennis de Lyon - Lyon, France (IH)

Week 41....BNP Paribas Masters - Paris, France (IC)

Week 42....Tennis Masters Cup - Shanghai, China (IH)

To be announced: Davis Cup

Please note:

- The Week Number (e.g. Week 1) refers to the tournament week for the game only; not to the actual week number.
- For Week 19 ATP World Team Championship only countries with two or more players are allowed to participate. Detailed statistics of the countries that are allowed to play will be mentioned later.
- For Week 42 Tennis Masters Cup only the eight highest ranked players and teams in singles and doubles are allowed to play.
- There is no need to commit to the Grand Slams.
- In case there are more players committing to an event, the tournament directors have the right to: a) move players to a different tournament in the same week b) let the lowest ranked players or latest entries play qualifying matches c) create a Challenger event for that week.
- In case of too few commitments, the tournament directors have the right to: a) move players to this tournament b) change the size of the draw c cancel the tournament and move the players to a different tournament.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-14-2004, 12:24 PM
1. Guillermo Canas
2. Marc Rosset

User id 7816
11-14-2004, 12:26 PM
1. JC Ferrero
2. Feli Lopez

Aleksa's Laydee
11-14-2004, 12:28 PM
1. Joachim Johansson
2. Thomas Johansson

joeb_uk
11-14-2004, 12:28 PM
what about fish bjorkfish?

Aleksa's Laydee
11-14-2004, 12:29 PM
what about fish bjorkfish?

hes too chokey for me at the mo ;)

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 12:30 PM
hes too chokey for me at the mo ;)

It's a fun game, and many strange things happen in this game for sure. :)

Zetlandsk
11-14-2004, 12:43 PM
1. Albert Costa
2. Alex Corretja

Fedex
11-14-2004, 12:49 PM
1. Roger Federer
2. Andrei Pavel

Crazy_Fool
11-14-2004, 12:52 PM
Ok, I'll play

1. Lleyton Hewitt
2. Rafael Nadal

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 01:02 PM
Available & Taken Players:

Please note beforehand:

- The taken players will be in italics; the available players are in normal writing.
- Whichever player you pick has to be an active player in either singles or doubles!
- You are allowed to pick: a) one player inside the Singles Top 20 and one player outside the Top 20 b) any two players outside the Singles Top 20 c) any one player.
- We will use the Top 20 criterium throughout the year. We will also use the same Rankings as listed below. This means that it is indeed possible for a member to play with two Top 20 players, if one of the players rises. Of course, it is also possible that a player falls out of the Top 20.
- It is not allowed to change players all the time. GWH and CCC will discuss whether we will allow a period halfway through the season in which you can switch players. So please think carefully about who you want to play with!

The List of Players:

Top 20:

1. Roger Federer SUI (Fedex)
2. Andy Roddick USA (Silverwhite)
3. Lleyton Hewitt AUS (Crazy_Fool)
4. Marat Safin RUS
5. Carlos Moyá ESP
6. Guillermo Coría ARG
7. Tim Henman GBR
8. Andre Agassi USA
9. David Nalbandían ARG (Rosie)
10. Gaston Gaudío ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
11. Guillermo Cañas ARG (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
12. Joachim Johansson SWE (björkfish)
13. Tommy Robredo ESP
14. Dominik Hrbaty SVK
15. Sébastien Grosjean FRA
16. Mikhail Youzhny RUS
17. Tommy Haas GER
18. Nicolas Massu CHI
19. Vincent Spadea USA
20. Nicolas Kiefer GER

Other Top 200 Players:

21 Ljubicic, Ivan CRO
22 Gonzalez, Fernando CHI (FryslanBoppe)
23 Pavel, Andrei ROM (Fedex)
24 Novak, Jiri CZE (FryslanBoppe)
25 Lopez, Feliciano ESP (Alma)
26 Chela, Juan Ignacio ARG
27 Srichaphan, Paradorn THA
28 Davydenko, Nikolay RUS
29 Ancic, Mario CRO
30 Johansson, Thomas SWE (björkfish)
31 Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP (Alma)
32 Dent, Taylor USA
33 Stepanek, Radek CZE
34 Söderling, Robin SWE
35 Mayer, Florian GER
36 Verdasco, Fernando ESP
37 Fish, Mardy USA
38 Horna, Luis PER
39 Melzer, Jurgen AUT
40 Kuerten, Gustavo BRA
41 Llodra, Michael FRA
42 Schüttler, Rainer GER (Buddy)
43 Volandri, Filippo ITA (joeb_uk)
44 Berdych, Tomas CZE (pj_girl)
45 Beck, Karol SVK
46 Mirnyi, Max BLR (Buddy)
47 Malisse, Xavier BEL
48 Ferrer, David ESP
49 Rusedski, Greg GBR
50 Andreev, Igor RUS
51 Nadal, Rafael ESP (Crazy_Fool)
52 Santoro, Fabrice FRA
53 Saulnier, Cyril FRA
54 Zabaleta, Mariano ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
55 Verkerk, Martin NED
56 Costa, Albert ESP (Zetlandsk)
57 Schalken, Sjeng NED
58 Callerí, Agustín ARG (Rosie)
59 Karlovic, Ivo CRO
60 Arazi, Hicham MOR
61 Ginepri, Robby USA
62 Koubek, Stefan AUT
63 Escudé, Nicolas FRA
64 Mello, Ricardo BRA
65 Labadze, Irakli GEO
66 Benneteau, Julien FRA
67 Lee, Hyung-Taik KOR
68 Acasuso, Jose ARG
69 Martín, Alberto ESP
70 Muller, Gilles LUX
71 Björkman, Jonas SWE
72 Rochus, Olivier BEL
73 Monaco, Juan ARG
74 Enqvist, Thomas SWE
75 Sanchez, David ESP
76 Sargsian, Sargis ARM
77 Starace, Potito ITA
78 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN
79 Dupuis, Anthony FRA
80 Tursunov, Dmitryi RUS
81 Carlsen, Kenneth DEN
82 Calatrava, Alex ESP
83 Hernych, Jan CZE
84 Hernandez, Oscar ESP
85 Lu, Yen-Hsun TPE
86 Van Scheppingen, Dennis NED
87 Sluiter, Raemon NED
88 Ulihrach, Bohdan CZE
89 Hanescu, Victor ROM
90 Gambill, Jan-Michael USA
91 Morrison, Jeff USA
92 Popp, Alexander GER
93 Blake, James USA
94 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER
95 Montañes, Albert ESP
96 Haehnel, Jérôme FRA
97 Sanguinetti, Davide ITA
98 Arthurs, Wayne AUS
99 Mantílla, Felíx ESP (joeb_uk)
100 Ventura, Santiago ESP
101 Almagro, Nicolas ESP
102 Kim, Kevin USA
103 Clément, Arnaud FRA
104 Mutis, Olivier FRA
105 Philippoussis, Mark AUS
106 Gasquet, Richard FRA (Silverwhite)
107 Carraz, Grégory FRA
108 Rochus, Christophe BEL
109 Reid, Todd AUS
110 Burgsmüller, Lars GER
111 Corretja, Alex ESP (Zetlandsk)
112 Saretta, Flavio BRA
113 Tabara, Michal CZE
114 Garcia, Adrian CHI
115 Vliegen, Kristof BEL
116 Elseneer, Gilles BEL
117 Patience, Olivier FRA
118 Tipsarevic, Janko SCG
119 Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA
120 Heuberger, Ivo SUI
121 Kucera, Karol SVK
122 Bogomolov Jr., Alex USA
123 Falla, Alejandro COL
124 Vanek, Jiri CZE
125 Wessels, Peter NED
126 Ferreira, Wayne RSA - Retired
127 Garcia Lopez, Guillermo ESP (CooCooCachoo)
128 Mahut, Nicolas FRA
129 Lisnard, Jean-René FRA
130 Zib, Tomas CZE
131 Peya, Alexander AUT
132 Ramirez Hidalgo, Ruben ESP
133 Weiner, Glenn USA
134 Seppi, Andreas ITA
135 Goldstein, Paul USA
136 Kendrick, Robert USA
137 Ascione, Thierry FRA
138 Chiudinelli, Marco SUI
139 Moodie, Wesley RSA
140 Aldi, Francesco ITA
141 Squillari, Franco ARG
142 Okun, Noam ISR
143 Massa, Edgardo ARG
144 Martin, Todd USA - Retired
145 Luczak, Peter AUS
146 Lopez, Marc ESP
147 Salzenstein, Jeff USA
148 Di Mauro, Alessio ITA
149 Lapentti, Giovanni ECU
150 Karanusic, Roko CRO
151 Jeanpierre, Julien FRA
152 Phau, Björn GER
153 Vacek, Jan CZE
154 Bracciali, Daniele ITA
155 Elsner, Daniel GER
156 Behrend, Tomas GER
157 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA
158 Lapentti, Nicolas ECU
159 Norman, Dick BEL
160 Hippensteel, KJ USA
161 Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI
162 Armando, Hugo USA
163 Gicquel, Marc FRA
164 Tenconi, Tomas ITA
165 Brzezicki, Juan Pablo ARG
166 Kratochvil, Michel SUI
167 Blanco, Galo ESP
168 Portas, Albert ESP
169 Simon, Gilles FRA
170 Ryderstedt, Michael SWE
171 Kunitsyn, Igor RUS
172 Voltchkov, Vladimir BLR
173 Gimeno-Traver, Daniel ESP
174 Baker, Brian USA
175 Minar, Ivo CZE
176 Sa, Andre BRA
177 Dancevic, Frank CAN
178 Rosset, Marc SUI (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
179 Wang, Yeu-Tzuoo TPE
180 Kindlmann, Dieter GER
181 Summerer, Tobias GER
182 Guzman, Juan Pablo ARG
183 Azzaro, Leonardo ITA
184 Qureshi, Aisam-Ul-Haq PAK
185 Mertinak, Michal SVK
186 Faurel, Jean-Christophe FRA
187 Levy, Harel ISR
188 Djokovic, Novak SCG
189 Andersen, Jan-Frode NOR
190 Roger-Vasselin, Edouard FRA
191 Sabau, Razvan ROM
192 Devilder, Nicolas FRA
193 Parmar, Arvind GBR
194 Bogdanovic, Alex GBR
195 Snobel, Pavel CZE
196 Schukin, Yuri RUS
197 Köllerer, Daniel AUT
198 Vico, Uros ITA
199 Luzzi, Federico ITA
200 Waske, Alexander GER

Taken Players Outside of the Top 200:

Zimonjic, Nenad SCG (CooCooCachoo)
Golmard, Jérôme FRA (pj_girl)

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 01:04 PM
I pick:

Guillermo Garcia Lopez ESP
Nenad Zimonjic SCG

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 01:05 PM
It looks promising so far Martijn.

*Ljubica*
11-14-2004, 01:08 PM
Martijn - I'm confused :confused: None of the players that people have previosuly mentioned appear in italics in your list. Does that mean we have to put our nominations through again?

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 01:11 PM
I will help out in this one.

These players are taken

Rainer Schuettler
Max Mirnyi
David Nalbandian,
Agustin Calleri
Fernando Gonzalez
Jiri Novak
Felix Mantilla
Filippo volandri
Guillermo Canas
Marc Rosset
Juan Carlos Ferrero
Feliciano Lopez
Joachim Johansson
Thomas Johansson
Roger Federer
Andrei Pavel
Lleyton Hewitt
Rafael Nadal
Albert Costa
Alex Corretja
Guillermo Garcia Lopez ESP
Nenad Zimonjic
Jerome Golmard
Tomas Berdych
Andy Roddick
Richard Gasquet
Karol Kucera
Flavio Saretta
Frank Danicevic
Marcos Bagdathis
Luis Horna
Nico Almagro

*Ljubica*
11-14-2004, 01:12 PM
I will help out in this one.

These players are taken

Rainer Schuettler
Max Mirnyi
David Nalbandian,
Agustin Calleri
Fernando Gonzalez
Jiri Novak
Felix Mantilla
Filippo volandri
Guillermo Canas
Marc Rosset
Juan Carlos Ferrero
Feliciano Lopez
Joachim Johansson
Thomas Johansson
Roger Federer
Andrei Pavel
Lleyton Hewitt
Rafael Nadal
Albert Costa
Alex Corretja
Guillermo Garcia Lopez ESP
Nenad Zimonjic

Thanks FB :)

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 01:13 PM
Thanks FB :)

No problems, though you stole Calleri from me. :devil:

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 01:14 PM
:lol: Rosie and FryslanBoppe ;)

I was making the list of Top 200 players first :p

And then I processed your picks :) Basically I was planning on making the rules and sign-up posts first, but everyone started picking already ;) Your picks are all safe as you can see :p

*Ljubica*
11-14-2004, 01:16 PM
:lol: Rosie and FryslanBoppe ;)

I was making the list of Top 200 players first :p

And then I processed your picks :) Basically I was planning on making the rules and sign-up posts first, but everyone started picking already ;) Your picks are all safe as you can see :p

Thanks Martijn - guess we are all too keen! And sorry that I stole Calleri from you FB - he has always been one of my faves and I'm hoping for a good season from him now he has Gaby Markus as coach!!!

Peta Pan
11-14-2004, 01:19 PM
YAY the game is back.... I kept all my points from earlier in the year just in case but now the rules have changed again :p

Anyway..... I'll have:
Jerome Golmard
Tomas Berdych

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 01:19 PM
:lol: Rosie and FryslanBoppe ;)

I was making the list of Top 200 players first :p

And then I processed your picks :) Basically I was planning on making the rules and sign-up posts first, but everyone started picking already ;) Your picks are all safe as you can see :p

It's good share it all round I say, this will be fun again and it is a good idea to start thinking now, so we can get out any cobwebs before the season starts.

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 01:23 PM
Everyone:

It is possible that the points system mentioned in the post will be different from the one we used. George and I will have to discuss what system is best, but it seems likely that we will use a system that is easier to use for us as well as you!

silverwhite
11-14-2004, 01:25 PM
I'll take Roddick and Gasquet. :)

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 01:25 PM
We have 26 players already and I am really glad about that ;) Our goal is to have at least 64 active players, right GWH :p So we can have good draws :)

If you know someone who might want to play, do not hesitate to ask them! :) The more the merrier, I would say!

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 01:26 PM
Thanks for that Coo, and I know that the both you and GWH will inform everyone of what is going on.

Action Jackson
11-14-2004, 01:31 PM
Everyone:

It is possible that the points system mentioned in the post will be different from the one we used. George and I will have to discuss what system is best, but it seems likely that we will use a system that is easier to use for us as well as you!

Thanks for that statement Martijn, and yes we want the game to be fun, and not so time consuming that it takes up all my time. We'll discuss which system works the best and then give all the players plenty of notice of if there are any changes to the game.

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 01:35 PM
OK I will drop Guillermo Garcia Lopez so Kiro can use him :hug: I know how much she likes him too, so I will take Mariusz Fyrstenberg instead :cool:

kiro
11-14-2004, 01:35 PM
:bump:
My choices:

Gilles Muller [LUX]
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez [ESP]

:hug: CooCooCachoo :)

TennisLurker
11-14-2004, 01:35 PM
can we choose retired players (for example ferreira)?

I am going to spain in december and I will return the first days of march, can I choose my players even If I miss the first month?

Supersonik
11-14-2004, 01:37 PM
The return of this fun game. I am not always online, but I would like to play again and as for my players they are.

Luis Horna
Nicolas Almagro

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 01:38 PM
Updated Available & Taken Players:

Please note beforehand:

- The taken players will be in italics; the available players are in normal writing.
- Whichever player you pick has to be an active player in either singles or doubles!
- You are allowed to pick: a) one player inside the Singles Top 20 and one player outside the Top 20 b) any two players outside the Singles Top 20 c) any one player.
- We will use the Top 20 criterium throughout the year. We will also use the same Rankings as listed below. This means that it is indeed possible for a member to play with two Top 20 players, if one of the players rises. Of course, it is also possible that a player falls out of the Top 20.
- It is not allowed to change players all the time. GWH and CCC will discuss whether we will allow a period halfway through the season in which you can switch players. So please think carefully about who you want to play with!

The List of Players:

Top 20:

1. Roger Federer SUI (Fedex)
2. Andy Roddick USA (Silverwhite)
3. Lleyton Hewitt AUS (Crazy_Fool)
4. Marat Safin RUS (Silas)
5. Carlos Moyá ESP
6. Guillermo Coría ARG
7. Tim Henman GBR
8. Andre Agassi USA
9. David Nalbandían ARG (Rosie)
10. Gaston Gaudío ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
11. Guillermo Cañas ARG (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
12. Joachim Johansson SWE (björkfish)
13. Tommy Robredo ESP
14. Dominik Hrbaty SVK
15. Sébastien Grosjean FRA
16. Mikhail Youzhny RUS
17. Tommy Haas GER
18. Nicolas Massu CHI
19. Vincent Spadea USA
20. Nicolas Kiefer GER

Other Top 200 Players:

21 Ljubicic, Ivan CRO
22 Gonzalez, Fernando CHI (FryslanBoppe)
23 Pavel, Andrei ROM (Fedex)
24 Novak, Jiri CZE (FryslanBoppe)
25 Lopez, Feliciano ESP (Alma)
26 Chela, Juan Ignacio ARG
27 Srichaphan, Paradorn THA
28 Davydenko, Nikolay RUS
29 Ancic, Mario CRO
30 Johansson, Thomas SWE (björkfish)
31 Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP (Alma)
32 Dent, Taylor USA
33 Stepanek, Radek CZE
34 Söderling, Robin SWE
35 Mayer, Florian GER
36 Verdasco, Fernando ESP
37 Fish, Mardy USA
38 Horna, Luis PER (Supersonik)
39 Melzer, Jurgen AUT
40 Kuerten, Gustavo BRA
41 Llodra, Michael FRA
42 Schüttler, Rainer GER (Buddy)
43 Volandri, Filippo ITA (joeb_uk)
44 Berdych, Tomas CZE (pj_girl)
45 Beck, Karol SVK
46 Mirnyi, Max BLR (Buddy)
47 Malisse, Xavier BEL
48 Ferrer, David ESP
49 Rusedski, Greg GBR
50 Andreev, Igor RUS
51 Nadal, Rafael ESP (Crazy_Fool)
52 Santoro, Fabrice FRA
53 Saulnier, Cyril FRA
54 Zabaleta, Mariano ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
55 Verkerk, Martin NED
56 Costa, Albert ESP (Zetlandsk)
57 Schalken, Sjeng NED
58 Callerí, Agustín ARG (Rosie)
59 Karlovic, Ivo CRO
60 Arazi, Hicham MOR
61 Ginepri, Robby USA
62 Koubek, Stefan AUT
63 Escudé, Nicolas FRA
64 Mello, Ricardo BRA
65 Labadze, Irakli GEO
66 Benneteau, Julien FRA
67 Lee, Hyung-Taik KOR
68 Acasuso, Jose ARG
69 Martín, Alberto ESP
70 Muller, Gilles LUX (Kiro)
71 Björkman, Jonas SWE
72 Rochus, Olivier BEL
73 Monaco, Juan ARG
74 Enqvist, Thomas SWE
75 Sanchez, David ESP
76 Sargsian, Sargis ARM
77 Starace, Potito ITA
78 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN
79 Dupuis, Anthony FRA
80 Tursunov, Dmitryi RUS
81 Carlsen, Kenneth DEN
82 Calatrava, Alex ESP
83 Hernych, Jan CZE
84 Hernandez, Oscar ESP
85 Lu, Yen-Hsun TPE
86 Van Scheppingen, Dennis NED
87 Sluiter, Raemon NED
88 Ulihrach, Bohdan CZE
89 Hanescu, Victor ROM
90 Gambill, Jan-Michael USA
91 Morrison, Jeff USA
92 Popp, Alexander GER
93 Blake, James USA (Silas)
94 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER
95 Montañes, Albert ESP
96 Haehnel, Jérôme FRA
97 Sanguinetti, Davide ITA
98 Arthurs, Wayne AUS
99 Mantílla, Felíx ESP (joeb_uk)
100 Ventura, Santiago ESP
101 Almagro, Nicolas ESP (Supersonik)
102 Kim, Kevin USA
103 Clément, Arnaud FRA
104 Mutis, Olivier FRA
105 Philippoussis, Mark AUS
106 Gasquet, Richard FRA (Silverwhite)
107 Carraz, Grégory FRA
108 Rochus, Christophe BEL
109 Reid, Todd AUS
110 Burgsmüller, Lars GER
111 Corretja, Alex ESP (Zetlandsk)
112 Saretta, Flavio BRA
113 Tabara, Michal CZE
114 Garcia, Adrian CHI
115 Vliegen, Kristof BEL
116 Elseneer, Gilles BEL
117 Patience, Olivier FRA
118 Tipsarevic, Janko SCG
119 Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA
120 Heuberger, Ivo SUI
121 Kucera, Karol SVK
122 Bogomolov Jr., Alex USA
123 Falla, Alejandro COL
124 Vanek, Jiri CZE
125 Wessels, Peter NED
126 Ferreira, Wayne RSA - Retired
127 Garcia Lopez, Guillermo ESP (Kiro)
128 Mahut, Nicolas FRA
129 Lisnard, Jean-René FRA
130 Zib, Tomas CZE
131 Peya, Alexander AUT
132 Ramirez Hidalgo, Ruben ESP
133 Weiner, Glenn USA
134 Seppi, Andreas ITA
135 Goldstein, Paul USA
136 Kendrick, Robert USA
137 Ascione, Thierry FRA
138 Chiudinelli, Marco SUI
139 Moodie, Wesley RSA
140 Aldi, Francesco ITA
141 Squillari, Franco ARG
142 Okun, Noam ISR
143 Massa, Edgardo ARG
144 Martin, Todd USA - Retired
145 Luczak, Peter AUS
146 Lopez, Marc ESP
147 Salzenstein, Jeff USA
148 Di Mauro, Alessio ITA
149 Lapentti, Giovanni ECU
150 Karanusic, Roko CRO
151 Jeanpierre, Julien FRA
152 Phau, Björn GER
153 Vacek, Jan CZE
154 Bracciali, Daniele ITA
155 Elsner, Daniel GER
156 Behrend, Tomas GER
157 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA
158 Lapentti, Nicolas ECU
159 Norman, Dick BEL
160 Hippensteel, KJ USA
161 Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI
162 Armando, Hugo USA
163 Gicquel, Marc FRA
164 Tenconi, Tomas ITA
165 Brzezicki, Juan Pablo ARG
166 Kratochvil, Michel SUI
167 Blanco, Galo ESP
168 Portas, Albert ESP
169 Simon, Gilles FRA
170 Ryderstedt, Michael SWE
171 Kunitsyn, Igor RUS
172 Voltchkov, Vladimir BLR
173 Gimeno-Traver, Daniel ESP
174 Baker, Brian USA
175 Minar, Ivo CZE
176 Sa, Andre BRA
177 Dancevic, Frank CAN
178 Rosset, Marc SUI (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
179 Wang, Yeu-Tzuoo TPE
180 Kindlmann, Dieter GER
181 Summerer, Tobias GER
182 Guzman, Juan Pablo ARG
183 Azzaro, Leonardo ITA
184 Qureshi, Aisam-Ul-Haq PAK
185 Mertinak, Michal SVK
186 Faurel, Jean-Christophe FRA
187 Levy, Harel ISR
188 Djokovic, Novak SCG
189 Andersen, Jan-Frode NOR
190 Roger-Vasselin, Edouard FRA
191 Sabau, Razvan ROM
192 Devilder, Nicolas FRA
193 Parmar, Arvind GBR
194 Bogdanovic, Alex GBR
195 Snobel, Pavel CZE
196 Schukin, Yuri RUS
197 Köllerer, Daniel AUT
198 Vico, Uros ITA
199 Luzzi, Federico ITA
200 Waske, Alexander GER

Taken Players Outside of the Top 200:

Zimonjic, Nenad SCG (CooCooCachoo)
Fyrstenberg, Mariusz POL (CooCooCachoo)
Golmard, Jérôme FRA (pj_girl)

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 01:39 PM
can we choose retired players (for example ferreira)?

I am going to spain in december and I will return the first days of march, can I choose my players even If I miss the first month?

Hey TL :)

1. No, you can't pick retired players. Sorry about this :(
2. Yes, you can choose your players now :) That is absolutely no problem. If you want, you can even play with default points.

Domino
11-14-2004, 01:39 PM
Baghdatis and Gasquet!

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 01:39 PM
can we choose retired players (for example ferreira)?

I am going to spain in december and I will return the first days of march, can I choose my players even If I miss the first month?

It says in the opening post no, but there are still some good ones available.
You can choose your players now and they will still be committed to the season.

TennisLurker
11-14-2004, 01:40 PM
ok, no, I cant

I choose Kucera and Gasquet

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 01:40 PM
Baghdatis and Gasquet!

Gasquet is taken.

Domino
11-14-2004, 01:41 PM
Fine, Dancevic.

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 01:41 PM
Gasquet is really popular :eek:

Domino & TL... He has already been selected ;) Please pick another player.

TL.. I saved Kucera for you :hug: I wanted him too, but I knew you'd like him ;)

TennisLurker
11-14-2004, 01:42 PM
oops, domino chose gasquet

then

kucera and saretta

Supersonik
11-14-2004, 01:43 PM
The relaunch seems to be going very well.

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 01:44 PM
Updated Available & Taken Players:

Please note beforehand:

- The taken players will be in italics; the available players are in normal writing.
- Whichever player you pick has to be an active player in either singles or doubles!
- You are allowed to pick: a) one player inside the Singles Top 20 and one player outside the Top 20 b) any two players outside the Singles Top 20 c) any one player.
- We will use the Top 20 criterium throughout the year. We will also use the same Rankings as listed below. This means that it is indeed possible for a member to play with two Top 20 players, if one of the players rises. Of course, it is also possible that a player falls out of the Top 20.
- It is not allowed to change players all the time. GWH and CCC will discuss whether we will allow a period halfway through the season in which you can switch players. So please think carefully about who you want to play with!

The List of Players:

Top 20:

1. Roger Federer SUI (Fedex)
2. Andy Roddick USA (Silverwhite)
3. Lleyton Hewitt AUS (Crazy_Fool)
4. Marat Safin RUS (Silas)
5. Carlos Moyá ESP
6. Guillermo Coría ARG (fabolous)
7. Tim Henman GBR
8. Andre Agassi USA
9. David Nalbandían ARG (Rosie)
10. Gaston Gaudío ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
11. Guillermo Cañas ARG (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
12. Joachim Johansson SWE (björkfish)
13. Tommy Robredo ESP
14. Dominik Hrbaty SVK
15. Sébastien Grosjean FRA
16. Mikhail Youzhny RUS
17. Tommy Haas GER
18. Nicolas Massu CHI
19. Vincent Spadea USA
20. Nicolas Kiefer GER

Other Top 200 Players:

21 Ljubicic, Ivan CRO
22 Gonzalez, Fernando CHI (FryslanBoppe)
23 Pavel, Andrei ROM (Fedex)
24 Novak, Jiri CZE (FryslanBoppe)
25 Lopez, Feliciano ESP (Alma)
26 Chela, Juan Ignacio ARG
27 Srichaphan, Paradorn THA
28 Davydenko, Nikolay RUS
29 Ancic, Mario CRO
30 Johansson, Thomas SWE (björkfish)
31 Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP (Alma)
32 Dent, Taylor USA
33 Stepanek, Radek CZE
34 Söderling, Robin SWE
35 Mayer, Florian GER
36 Verdasco, Fernando ESP
37 Fish, Mardy USA
38 Horna, Luis PER (Supersonik)
39 Melzer, Jurgen AUT
40 Kuerten, Gustavo BRA
41 Llodra, Michael FRA
42 Schüttler, Rainer GER (Buddy)
43 Volandri, Filippo ITA (joeb_uk)
44 Berdych, Tomas CZE (pj_girl)
45 Beck, Karol SVK
46 Mirnyi, Max BLR (Buddy)
47 Malisse, Xavier BEL
48 Ferrer, David ESP
49 Rusedski, Greg GBR
50 Andreev, Igor RUS
51 Nadal, Rafael ESP (Crazy_Fool)
52 Santoro, Fabrice FRA
53 Saulnier, Cyril FRA
54 Zabaleta, Mariano ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
55 Verkerk, Martin NED
56 Costa, Albert ESP (Zetlandsk)
57 Schalken, Sjeng NED
58 Callerí, Agustín ARG (Rosie)
59 Karlovic, Ivo CRO
60 Arazi, Hicham MOR (fabolous)
61 Ginepri, Robby USA
62 Koubek, Stefan AUT
63 Escudé, Nicolas FRA
64 Mello, Ricardo BRA
65 Labadze, Irakli GEO
66 Benneteau, Julien FRA
67 Lee, Hyung-Taik KOR
68 Acasuso, Jose ARG
69 Martín, Alberto ESP
70 Muller, Gilles LUX (Kiro)
71 Björkman, Jonas SWE
72 Rochus, Olivier BEL
73 Monaco, Juan ARG
74 Enqvist, Thomas SWE
75 Sanchez, David ESP
76 Sargsian, Sargis ARM
77 Starace, Potito ITA
78 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN
79 Dupuis, Anthony FRA
80 Tursunov, Dmitryi RUS
81 Carlsen, Kenneth DEN
82 Calatrava, Alex ESP
83 Hernych, Jan CZE
84 Hernandez, Oscar ESP
85 Lu, Yen-Hsun TPE
86 Van Scheppingen, Dennis NED
87 Sluiter, Raemon NED
88 Ulihrach, Bohdan CZE
89 Hanescu, Victor ROM
90 Gambill, Jan-Michael USA
91 Morrison, Jeff USA
92 Popp, Alexander GER
93 Blake, James USA (Silas)
94 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER
95 Montañes, Albert ESP
96 Haehnel, Jérôme FRA
97 Sanguinetti, Davide ITA
98 Arthurs, Wayne AUS
99 Mantílla, Felíx ESP (joeb_uk)
100 Ventura, Santiago ESP
101 Almagro, Nicolas ESP (Supersonik)
102 Kim, Kevin USA
103 Clément, Arnaud FRA
104 Mutis, Olivier FRA
105 Philippoussis, Mark AUS
106 Gasquet, Richard FRA (Silverwhite)
107 Carraz, Grégory FRA
108 Rochus, Christophe BEL
109 Reid, Todd AUS
110 Burgsmüller, Lars GER
111 Corretja, Alex ESP (Zetlandsk)
112 Saretta, Flavio BRA (TennisLurker)
113 Tabara, Michal CZE
114 Garcia, Adrian CHI
115 Vliegen, Kristof BEL
116 Elseneer, Gilles BEL
117 Patience, Olivier FRA
118 Tipsarevic, Janko SCG
119 Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA
120 Heuberger, Ivo SUI
121 Kucera, Karol SVK (TennisLurker)
122 Bogomolov Jr., Alex USA
123 Falla, Alejandro COL
124 Vanek, Jiri CZE
125 Wessels, Peter NED
126 Ferreira, Wayne RSA - Retired
127 Garcia Lopez, Guillermo ESP (Kiro)
128 Mahut, Nicolas FRA
129 Lisnard, Jean-René FRA
130 Zib, Tomas CZE
131 Peya, Alexander AUT
132 Ramirez Hidalgo, Ruben ESP
133 Weiner, Glenn USA
134 Seppi, Andreas ITA
135 Goldstein, Paul USA
136 Kendrick, Robert USA
137 Ascione, Thierry FRA
138 Chiudinelli, Marco SUI
139 Moodie, Wesley RSA
140 Aldi, Francesco ITA
141 Squillari, Franco ARG
142 Okun, Noam ISR
143 Massa, Edgardo ARG
144 Martin, Todd USA - Retired
145 Luczak, Peter AUS
146 Lopez, Marc ESP
147 Salzenstein, Jeff USA
148 Di Mauro, Alessio ITA
149 Lapentti, Giovanni ECU
150 Karanusic, Roko CRO
151 Jeanpierre, Julien FRA
152 Phau, Björn GER
153 Vacek, Jan CZE
154 Bracciali, Daniele ITA
155 Elsner, Daniel GER
156 Behrend, Tomas GER
157 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA
158 Lapentti, Nicolas ECU
159 Norman, Dick BEL
160 Hippensteel, KJ USA
161 Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI
162 Armando, Hugo USA
163 Gicquel, Marc FRA
164 Tenconi, Tomas ITA
165 Brzezicki, Juan Pablo ARG
166 Kratochvil, Michel SUI
167 Blanco, Galo ESP
168 Portas, Albert ESP
169 Simon, Gilles FRA
170 Ryderstedt, Michael SWE
171 Kunitsyn, Igor RUS
172 Voltchkov, Vladimir BLR
173 Gimeno-Traver, Daniel ESP
174 Baker, Brian USA
175 Minar, Ivo CZE
176 Sa, Andre BRA
177 Dancevic, Frank CAN (Domino)
178 Rosset, Marc SUI (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
179 Wang, Yeu-Tzuoo TPE
180 Kindlmann, Dieter GER
181 Summerer, Tobias GER
182 Guzman, Juan Pablo ARG
183 Azzaro, Leonardo ITA
184 Qureshi, Aisam-Ul-Haq PAK
185 Mertinak, Michal SVK
186 Faurel, Jean-Christophe FRA
187 Levy, Harel ISR
188 Djokovic, Novak SCG
189 Andersen, Jan-Frode NOR
190 Roger-Vasselin, Edouard FRA
191 Sabau, Razvan ROM
192 Devilder, Nicolas FRA
193 Parmar, Arvind GBR
194 Bogdanovic, Alex GBR
195 Snobel, Pavel CZE
196 Schukin, Yuri RUS
197 Köllerer, Daniel AUT
198 Vico, Uros ITA
199 Luzzi, Federico ITA
200 Waske, Alexander GER

Taken Players Outside of the Top 200:

Zimonjic, Nenad SCG (CooCooCachoo)
Fyrstenberg, Mariusz POL (CooCooCachoo)
Golmard, Jérôme FRA (pj_girl)
Baghdatis, Marcos CYP (Domino)

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 01:44 PM
The relaunch seems to be going very well.

Yes :D I am very pleased :)

fabolous
11-14-2004, 01:45 PM
i want coria and arazi
:)

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 01:45 PM
Thanks Martijn - guess we are all too keen! And sorry that I stole Calleri from you FB - he has always been one of my faves and I'm hoping for a good season from him now he has Gaby Markus as coach!!!

It's Ok, I hope he has a good season in both fields.

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 01:46 PM
i want coria and arazi
:)

Welcome aboard fabolous.

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 01:47 PM
Silas:

Safin
Blake

Silas is a member of WTAworld and hardly posts here.. But more WTAworld members will join! :)

Silas
11-14-2004, 01:50 PM
I post here all the time :rolleyes:

Safin & Blake for me! Indeed... what a dream team :drool:

Silas
11-14-2004, 01:51 PM
I mean, see... I already have 4 posts :cuckoo: :lol:

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 01:53 PM
40 players already!

:dance:

TennisLurker
11-14-2004, 01:54 PM
coocoo, I changed my mind, I want squillari and not saretta

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 01:55 PM
Ole Franco Squillari, there is a great name from the past.

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 02:00 PM
TennisLurker :p You are lucky you can still change ;) Once the season has started, there is no changing back for a long time :p ;)

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 02:01 PM
Updated Available & Taken Players:

Please note beforehand:

- The taken players will be in italics; the available players are in normal writing.
- Whichever player you pick has to be an active player in either singles or doubles!
- You are allowed to pick: a) one player inside the Singles Top 20 and one player outside the Top 20 b) any two players outside the Singles Top 20 c) any one player.
- We will use the Top 20 criterium throughout the year. We will also use the same Rankings as listed below. This means that it is indeed possible for a member to play with two Top 20 players, if one of the players rises. Of course, it is also possible that a player falls out of the Top 20.
- It is not allowed to change players all the time. GWH and CCC will discuss whether we will allow a period halfway through the season in which you can switch players. So please think carefully about who you want to play with!

The List of Players:

Top 20:

1. Roger Federer SUI (Fedex)
2. Andy Roddick USA (Silverwhite)
3. Lleyton Hewitt AUS (Crazy_Fool)
4. Marat Safin RUS (Silas)
5. Carlos Moyá ESP (jazz_girl)
6. Guillermo Coría ARG (fabolous)
7. Tim Henman GBR
8. Andre Agassi USA
9. David Nalbandían ARG (Rosie)
10. Gaston Gaudío ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
11. Guillermo Cañas ARG (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
12. Joachim Johansson SWE (björkfish)
13. Tommy Robredo ESP (Eruwen)
14. Dominik Hrbaty SVK
15. Sébastien Grosjean FRA
16. Mikhail Youzhny RUS
17. Tommy Haas GER
18. Nicolas Massu CHI
19. Vincent Spadea USA
20. Nicolas Kiefer GER

Other Top 200 Players:

21 Ljubicic, Ivan CRO
22 Gonzalez, Fernando CHI (FryslanBoppe)
23 Pavel, Andrei ROM (Fedex)
24 Novak, Jiri CZE (FryslanBoppe)
25 Lopez, Feliciano ESP (Alma)
26 Chela, Juan Ignacio ARG
27 Srichaphan, Paradorn THA
28 Davydenko, Nikolay RUS
29 Ancic, Mario CRO (Eruwen)
30 Johansson, Thomas SWE (björkfish)
31 Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP (Alma)
32 Dent, Taylor USA
33 Stepanek, Radek CZE
34 Söderling, Robin SWE
35 Mayer, Florian GER
36 Verdasco, Fernando ESP
37 Fish, Mardy USA
38 Horna, Luis PER (Supersonik)
39 Melzer, Jurgen AUT
40 Kuerten, Gustavo BRA
41 Llodra, Michael FRA
42 Schüttler, Rainer GER (Buddy)
43 Volandri, Filippo ITA (joeb_uk)
44 Berdych, Tomas CZE (pj_girl)
45 Beck, Karol SVK
46 Mirnyi, Max BLR (Buddy)
47 Malisse, Xavier BEL
48 Ferrer, David ESP
49 Rusedski, Greg GBR
50 Andreev, Igor RUS
51 Nadal, Rafael ESP (Crazy_Fool)
52 Santoro, Fabrice FRA
53 Saulnier, Cyril FRA
54 Zabaleta, Mariano ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
55 Verkerk, Martin NED
56 Costa, Albert ESP (Zetlandsk)
57 Schalken, Sjeng NED
58 Callerí, Agustín ARG (Rosie)
59 Karlovic, Ivo CRO
60 Arazi, Hicham MOR (fabolous)
61 Ginepri, Robby USA
62 Koubek, Stefan AUT (Boludo)
63 Escudé, Nicolas FRA
64 Mello, Ricardo BRA
65 Labadze, Irakli GEO (YulBrynnerWasBald)
66 Benneteau, Julien FRA
67 Lee, Hyung-Taik KOR
68 Acasuso, Jose ARG
69 Martín, Alberto ESP
70 Muller, Gilles LUX (Kiro)
71 Björkman, Jonas SWE
72 Rochus, Olivier BEL
73 Monaco, Juan ARG (jazz_girl)
74 Enqvist, Thomas SWE
75 Sanchez, David ESP
76 Sargsian, Sargis ARM
77 Starace, Potito ITA
78 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN
79 Dupuis, Anthony FRA
80 Tursunov, Dmitryi RUS
81 Carlsen, Kenneth DEN
82 Calatrava, Alex ESP
83 Hernych, Jan CZE
84 Hernandez, Oscar ESP
85 Lu, Yen-Hsun TPE
86 Van Scheppingen, Dennis NED
87 Sluiter, Raemon NED
88 Ulihrach, Bohdan CZE
89 Hanescu, Victor ROM
90 Gambill, Jan-Michael USA
91 Morrison, Jeff USA
92 Popp, Alexander GER
93 Blake, James USA (Silas)
94 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER
95 Montañes, Albert ESP
96 Haehnel, Jérôme FRA
97 Sanguinetti, Davide ITA
98 Arthurs, Wayne AUS
99 Mantílla, Felíx ESP (joeb_uk)
100 Ventura, Santiago ESP
101 Almagro, Nicolas ESP (Supersonik)
102 Kim, Kevin USA
103 Clément, Arnaud FRA
104 Mutis, Olivier FRA
105 Philippoussis, Mark AUS
106 Gasquet, Richard FRA (Silverwhite)
107 Carraz, Grégory FRA
108 Rochus, Christophe BEL
109 Reid, Todd AUS
110 Burgsmüller, Lars GER
111 Corretja, Alex ESP (Zetlandsk)
112 Saretta, Flavio BRA
113 Tabara, Michal CZE
114 Garcia, Adrian CHI
115 Vliegen, Kristof BEL
116 Elseneer, Gilles BEL
117 Patience, Olivier FRA
118 Tipsarevic, Janko SCG
119 Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA
120 Heuberger, Ivo SUI
121 Kucera, Karol SVK (TennisLurker)
122 Bogomolov Jr., Alex USA
123 Falla, Alejandro COL
124 Vanek, Jiri CZE
125 Wessels, Peter NED
126 Ferreira, Wayne RSA - Retired
127 Garcia Lopez, Guillermo ESP (Kiro)
128 Mahut, Nicolas FRA
129 Lisnard, Jean-René FRA
130 Zib, Tomas CZE
131 Peya, Alexander AUT
132 Ramirez Hidalgo, Ruben ESP
133 Weiner, Glenn USA
134 Seppi, Andreas ITA
135 Goldstein, Paul USA
136 Kendrick, Robert USA
137 Ascione, Thierry FRA
138 Chiudinelli, Marco SUI
139 Moodie, Wesley RSA
140 Aldi, Francesco ITA
141 Squillari, Franco ARG (TennisLurker)
142 Okun, Noam ISR
143 Massa, Edgardo ARG
144 Martin, Todd USA - Retired
145 Luczak, Peter AUS
146 Lopez, Marc ESP
147 Salzenstein, Jeff USA
148 Di Mauro, Alessio ITA
149 Lapentti, Giovanni ECU
150 Karanusic, Roko CRO
151 Jeanpierre, Julien FRA
152 Phau, Björn GER
153 Vacek, Jan CZE
154 Bracciali, Daniele ITA
155 Elsner, Daniel GER
156 Behrend, Tomas GER
157 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA
158 Lapentti, Nicolas ECU
159 Norman, Dick BEL
160 Hippensteel, KJ USA
161 Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI
162 Armando, Hugo USA
163 Gicquel, Marc FRA
164 Tenconi, Tomas ITA
165 Brzezicki, Juan Pablo ARG
166 Kratochvil, Michel SUI
167 Blanco, Galo ESP
168 Portas, Albert ESP
169 Simon, Gilles FRA
170 Ryderstedt, Michael SWE
171 Kunitsyn, Igor RUS
172 Voltchkov, Vladimir BLR
173 Gimeno-Traver, Daniel ESP
174 Baker, Brian USA
175 Minar, Ivo CZE
176 Sa, Andre BRA
177 Dancevic, Frank CAN (Domino)
178 Rosset, Marc SUI (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
179 Wang, Yeu-Tzuoo TPE
180 Kindlmann, Dieter GER
181 Summerer, Tobias GER
182 Guzman, Juan Pablo ARG
183 Azzaro, Leonardo ITA
184 Qureshi, Aisam-Ul-Haq PAK
185 Mertinak, Michal SVK
186 Faurel, Jean-Christophe FRA
187 Levy, Harel ISR
188 Djokovic, Novak SCG
189 Andersen, Jan-Frode NOR
190 Roger-Vasselin, Edouard FRA
191 Sabau, Razvan ROM
192 Devilder, Nicolas FRA
193 Parmar, Arvind GBR
194 Bogdanovic, Alex GBR
195 Snobel, Pavel CZE
196 Schukin, Yuri RUS
197 Köllerer, Daniel AUT
198 Vico, Uros ITA
199 Luzzi, Federico ITA
200 Waske, Alexander GER

Taken Players Outside of the Top 200:

Zimonjic, Nenad SCG (CooCooCachoo)
Fyrstenberg, Mariusz POL (CooCooCachoo)
Golmard, Jérôme FRA (pj_girl)
Baghdatis, Marcos CYP (Domino)
El Aynaoui, Younes MOR (YulBrynnerWasBald)
Di Pasquale, Arnaud FRA (Boludo)

YulBrynnerWasBald
11-14-2004, 02:01 PM
Younes El Aynaoui
Irakli Labadze

silverwhite
11-14-2004, 02:06 PM
So we'll have to wait till next year to play? :)

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 02:07 PM
So we'll have to wait till next year to play? :)

I am afraid so ;)
This season will go simultaneous with the ATP Tour :) That was a request of a lot of players with the old version, which didn't contain the real names of tournaments. It should add to the value and the pleasure factor of the game. But just be patient ;)

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 02:08 PM
So we'll have to wait till next year to play? :)

You will have plenty of time to think about tactics and the like.

It makes the game more fun, if there is some anticipation for the 2005 season.

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 02:11 PM
FryslanBoppe would you have the time and the interest to become a tournament director as well? It would help us share the burden, because I am a student and GWH doesn't have unlimited time either ;)

jazz_girl
11-14-2004, 02:12 PM
I want Monaco and Moya, if they're not taken!

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 02:12 PM
FryslanBoppe would you have the time and the interest to become a tournament director as well? It would help us share the burden, because I am a student and GWH doesn't have unlimited time either ;)

I will help out as much as I can as I am in the same boat as both of you guys.

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 02:13 PM
I want Monaco and Moya, if they're not taken!

They are your players jazz.

jazz_girl
11-14-2004, 02:14 PM
Thanks :)

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 02:14 PM
I will help out as much as I can as I am in the same boat as both of you guys.

Thanks :)

And welcome to jazz_girl who has a beautiful name but I forgot it :o ;) Sorry Nalbandían was taken ;)

jazz_girl
11-14-2004, 02:22 PM
Thanks :)

And welcome to jazz_girl who has a beautiful name but I forgot it :o ;) Sorry Nalbandían was taken ;)
LOL! Don't worry:kiss:
I took David this year, and he didn't win anything, just a double tournament if I remember correctly, I hope he can have more luck with Rosie ;)

Eruwen
11-14-2004, 02:23 PM
Ok, I believe I have to play this game as well... :lol: (just kidding Martijn :p )

I'll take Tommy Robredo & Mario Ancic!

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 02:26 PM
The way this game is going Martijn, we might need 64 draws in all of the non TMS events.

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 02:26 PM
Ok, I believe I have to play this game as well... :lol: (just kidding Martijn :p )

I'll take Tommy Robredo & Mario Ancic!

Goed zo :yeah:

Welcome Eruwen :hug:

Only nine Top 20 players remain:)

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 02:27 PM
The way this game is going Martijn, we might need 64 draws in all of the non TMS events.

It means that we can have two maybe three regular events in those weeks, which is good :)

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 02:29 PM
It means that we can have two maybe three regular events in those weeks, which is good :)

Certainly anything to avoid byes and the like and if we have good numbers, it makes the game better.

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 02:30 PM
Yep :) I still hope more people will join :) Like people from different time zones and people who only check in the evenings :D

Boludo
11-14-2004, 02:32 PM
I am back again for another round of this game.

The players I want to coach are

Stefan Koubek
Arnaud Di Pasquale

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 02:37 PM
Updated Available & Taken Players:

Please note beforehand:

- The taken players will be in italics; the available players are in normal writing.
- Whichever player you pick has to be an active player in either singles or doubles!
- You are allowed to pick: a) one player inside the Singles Top 20 and one player outside the Top 20 b) any two players outside the Singles Top 20 c) any one player.
- We will use the Top 20 criterium throughout the year. We will also use the same Rankings as listed below. This means that it is indeed possible for a member to play with two Top 20 players, if one of the players rises. Of course, it is also possible that a player falls out of the Top 20.
- It is not allowed to change players all the time. GWH and CCC will discuss whether we will allow a period halfway through the season in which you can switch players. So please think carefully about who you want to play with!

The List of Players:

Top 20:

1. Roger Federer SUI (Fedex)
2. Andy Roddick USA (Silverwhite)
3. Lleyton Hewitt AUS (Crazy_Fool)
4. Marat Safin RUS (Silas)
5. Carlos Moyá ESP (jazz_girl)
6. Guillermo Coría ARG (fabolous)
7. Tim Henman GBR
8. Andre Agassi USA
9. David Nalbandían ARG (Rosie)
10. Gaston Gaudío ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
11. Guillermo Cañas ARG (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
12. Joachim Johansson SWE (björkfish)
13. Tommy Robredo ESP (Eruwen)
14. Dominik Hrbaty SVK
15. Sébastien Grosjean FRA
16. Mikhail Youzhny RUS (novanora)
17. Tommy Haas GER
18. Nicolas Massu CHI
19. Vincent Spadea USA
20. Nicolas Kiefer GER

Other Top 200 Players:

21 Ljubicic, Ivan CRO (RubberDucky)
22 Gonzalez, Fernando CHI (FryslanBoppe)
23 Pavel, Andrei ROM (Fedex)
24 Novak, Jiri CZE (FryslanBoppe)
25 Lopez, Feliciano ESP (Alma)
26 Chela, Juan Ignacio ARG
27 Srichaphan, Paradorn THA
28 Davydenko, Nikolay RUS
29 Ancic, Mario CRO (Eruwen)
30 Johansson, Thomas SWE (björkfish)
31 Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP (Alma)
32 Dent, Taylor USA
33 Stepanek, Radek CZE
34 Söderling, Robin SWE (novanora)
35 Mayer, Florian GER
36 Verdasco, Fernando ESP
37 Fish, Mardy USA
38 Horna, Luis PER (Supersonik)
39 Melzer, Jurgen AUT
40 Kuerten, Gustavo BRA
41 Llodra, Michael FRA
42 Schüttler, Rainer GER (Buddy)
43 Volandri, Filippo ITA (joeb_uk)
44 Berdych, Tomas CZE (pj_girl)
45 Beck, Karol SVK
46 Mirnyi, Max BLR (Buddy)
47 Malisse, Xavier BEL
48 Ferrer, David ESP
49 Rusedski, Greg GBR
50 Andreev, Igor RUS
51 Nadal, Rafael ESP (Crazy_Fool)
52 Santoro, Fabrice FRA (rassklovn)
53 Saulnier, Cyril FRA
54 Zabaleta, Mariano ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
55 Verkerk, Martin NED
56 Costa, Albert ESP (Zetlandsk)
57 Schalken, Sjeng NED
58 Callerí, Agustín ARG (Rosie)
59 Karlovic, Ivo CRO (RubberDucky)
60 Arazi, Hicham MOR (fabolous)
61 Ginepri, Robby USA
62 Koubek, Stefan AUT (Boludo)
63 Escudé, Nicolas FRA
64 Mello, Ricardo BRA
65 Labadze, Irakli GEO (YulBrynnerWasBald)
66 Benneteau, Julien FRA
67 Lee, Hyung-Taik KOR
68 Acasuso, Jose ARG
69 Martín, Alberto ESP
70 Muller, Gilles LUX (Kiro)
71 Björkman, Jonas SWE
72 Rochus, Olivier BEL
73 Monaco, Juan ARG (jazz_girl)
74 Enqvist, Thomas SWE
75 Sanchez, David ESP
76 Sargsian, Sargis ARM
77 Starace, Potito ITA
78 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN (Nieminen)
79 Dupuis, Anthony FRA
80 Tursunov, Dmitryi RUS
81 Carlsen, Kenneth DEN
82 Calatrava, Alex ESP
83 Hernych, Jan CZE
84 Hernandez, Oscar ESP
85 Lu, Yen-Hsun TPE
86 Van Scheppingen, Dennis NED
87 Sluiter, Raemon NED
88 Ulihrach, Bohdan CZE
89 Hanescu, Victor ROM
90 Gambill, Jan-Michael USA
91 Morrison, Jeff USA
92 Popp, Alexander GER
93 Blake, James USA (Silas)
94 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER
95 Montañes, Albert ESP
96 Haehnel, Jérôme FRA
97 Sanguinetti, Davide ITA
98 Arthurs, Wayne AUS
99 Mantílla, Felíx ESP (joeb_uk)
100 Ventura, Santiago ESP
101 Almagro, Nicolas ESP (Supersonik)
102 Kim, Kevin USA
103 Clément, Arnaud FRA
104 Mutis, Olivier FRA
105 Philippoussis, Mark AUS
106 Gasquet, Richard FRA (Silverwhite)
107 Carraz, Grégory FRA
108 Rochus, Christophe BEL
109 Reid, Todd AUS
110 Burgsmüller, Lars GER
111 Corretja, Alex ESP (Zetlandsk)
112 Saretta, Flavio BRA
113 Tabara, Michal CZE
114 Garcia, Adrian CHI
115 Vliegen, Kristof BEL
116 Elseneer, Gilles BEL
117 Patience, Olivier FRA
118 Tipsarevic, Janko SCG
119 Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA
120 Heuberger, Ivo SUI
121 Kucera, Karol SVK (TennisLurker)
122 Bogomolov Jr., Alex USA
123 Falla, Alejandro COL
124 Vanek, Jiri CZE
125 Wessels, Peter NED
126 Ferreira, Wayne RSA - Retired
127 Garcia Lopez, Guillermo ESP (Kiro)
128 Mahut, Nicolas FRA
129 Lisnard, Jean-René FRA
130 Zib, Tomas CZE
131 Peya, Alexander AUT
132 Ramirez Hidalgo, Ruben ESP
133 Weiner, Glenn USA
134 Seppi, Andreas ITA
135 Goldstein, Paul USA
136 Kendrick, Robert USA
137 Ascione, Thierry FRA
138 Chiudinelli, Marco SUI
139 Moodie, Wesley RSA
140 Aldi, Francesco ITA
141 Squillari, Franco ARG (TennisLurker)
142 Okun, Noam ISR
143 Massa, Edgardo ARG
144 Martin, Todd USA - Retired
145 Luczak, Peter AUS
146 Lopez, Marc ESP
147 Salzenstein, Jeff USA
148 Di Mauro, Alessio ITA
149 Lapentti, Giovanni ECU
150 Karanusic, Roko CRO
151 Jeanpierre, Julien FRA
152 Phau, Björn GER
153 Vacek, Jan CZE
154 Bracciali, Daniele ITA
155 Elsner, Daniel GER
156 Behrend, Tomas GER
157 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA
158 Lapentti, Nicolas ECU
159 Norman, Dick BEL
160 Hippensteel, KJ USA
161 Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI
162 Armando, Hugo USA
163 Gicquel, Marc FRA
164 Tenconi, Tomas ITA
165 Brzezicki, Juan Pablo ARG
166 Kratochvil, Michel SUI
167 Blanco, Galo ESP
168 Portas, Albert ESP
169 Simon, Gilles FRA
170 Ryderstedt, Michael SWE
171 Kunitsyn, Igor RUS
172 Voltchkov, Vladimir BLR
173 Gimeno-Traver, Daniel ESP
174 Baker, Brian USA
175 Minar, Ivo CZE
176 Sa, Andre BRA
177 Dancevic, Frank CAN (Domino)
178 Rosset, Marc SUI (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
179 Wang, Yeu-Tzuoo TPE
180 Kindlmann, Dieter GER
181 Summerer, Tobias GER
182 Guzman, Juan Pablo ARG
183 Azzaro, Leonardo ITA
184 Qureshi, Aisam-Ul-Haq PAK
185 Mertinak, Michal SVK
186 Faurel, Jean-Christophe FRA
187 Levy, Harel ISR
188 Djokovic, Novak SCG
189 Andersen, Jan-Frode NOR
190 Roger-Vasselin, Edouard FRA
191 Sabau, Razvan ROM
192 Devilder, Nicolas FRA
193 Parmar, Arvind GBR
194 Bogdanovic, Alex GBR
195 Snobel, Pavel CZE
196 Schukin, Yuri RUS
197 Köllerer, Daniel AUT
198 Vico, Uros ITA
199 Luzzi, Federico ITA
200 Waske, Alexander GER

Taken Players Outside of the Top 200:

Zimonjic, Nenad SCG (CooCooCachoo)
Fyrstenberg, Mariusz POL (CooCooCachoo)
Golmard, Jérôme FRA (pj_girl)
Baghdatis, Marcos CYP (Domino)
El Aynaoui, Younes MOR (YulBrynnerWasBald)
Di Pasquale, Arnaud FRA (Boludo)

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 02:59 PM
48 Players :bounce:

Come on people.. Keep joining! There are lots of great players left :)

novanora
11-14-2004, 03:01 PM
ok, my choice, Mikhail Youzhny and Robin Söderling

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 03:03 PM
ok, my choice, Mikhail Youzhny and Robin Söderling

Welcome :hug: :)

El Legenda
11-14-2004, 03:03 PM
For me, Ivan Ljubicic
Ivo Karlovic

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 03:04 PM
The more the merrier and welcome RubberDucky.

rassklovn
11-14-2004, 03:11 PM
Fabrice Santoro
Jarkko Nieminen

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 03:16 PM
Fabrice Santoro
Jarkko Nieminen

Welcome rassklovn :D :cool:

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 03:17 PM
Fabrice Santoro
Jarkko Nieminen

Definitely haven't gone for height in this team. :)

TennisLurker
11-14-2004, 03:17 PM
I hope we will keep the 700 points divided according to abilities system.

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 03:18 PM
Nieminen isn't that short ;)

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 03:19 PM
I hope we will keep the 700 points divided according to abilities system.

It might prove to be too time-consuming for the directors. We will propose a new system that is easier and just as much fun for both directors and players ;)

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 03:23 PM
It might prove to be too time-consuming for the directors. We will propose a new system that is easier and just as much fun for both directors and players ;)

It will make the game go quicker and is quite strategic as well. :)

MerchantWanker
11-14-2004, 03:26 PM
Flavio Saretta
Fernando Vicente

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 03:31 PM
Countries Breakdown:

Argentina (9): Agustín Callerí, Guillermo Cañas, Juan Ignacio Chela, Guillermo Coría, Gaston Gaudío, Juan Monaco, David Nalbandían, Franco Squillarí, Mariano Zabaleta
Australia (1): Lleyton Hewitt
Austria (1): Stefan Koubek
Belarus (1): Max Mirnyi
Brazil (2): Gustavo Kuerten, Flavio Saretta
Canada (1): Frank Dancevic
Chile (1):: Fernando Gonzalez
Croatia (3): Mario Ancic, Ivan Ljubicic, Ivo Karlovic
Cyprus (1): Marcos Baghdatis
Czech Republic (2): Tomas Berdych, Jiri Novak
Finland (1): Jarkko Nieminen
France (4): Arnaud Di Pasquale, Richard Gasquet, Jérôme Golmard, Fabrice Santoro
Georgia (1): Irakli Labadze
Germany (3): Tommy Haas, Nicolas Kiefer, Rainer Schüttler
Italy (1): Filippo Volandri
Luxembourg (1): Gilles Muller
Morocco (2): Hicham Arazi, Younes El Aynaoui
Peru (1): Luis Horna
Poland (1): Mariusz Fyrstenberg
Romania (1): Andrei Pavel
Russia (2): Marat Safin, Mikhail Youzhny
Serbia & Montenegro (1): Nenad Zimonjic
Slovakia (2): Dominik Hrbaty, Karol Kucera
Spain (12): Nicolas Almagro, Alex Corretja, Albert Costa, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Guillermo Garcia Lopez, Feliciano Lopez, Felíx Mantílla, Carlos Moyá, Rafael Nadal, Tommy Robredo, Santiago Ventura, Fernando Vicente
Sweden (4): Joachim Johansson, Thomas Johansson, Robin Söderling, Andreas Vinciguerra
Switzerland (2): Roger Federer, Marc Rosset
Thailand (1): Paradorn Srichaphan
USA (4): Andre Agassi, James Blake, Taylor Dent, Andy Roddick

Please note:

- For the Davis Cup, all players will be playing. That means certain countries will play with more than one team. Teams will most probably be made by the Tour Directors.
- If a country only has one player, then teams will be mixed (e.g. Finland/Slovakia could be possible).

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 03:32 PM
Updated Available & Taken Players:

Please note beforehand:

- The taken players will be in italics; the available players are in normal writing.
- Whichever player you pick has to be an active player in either singles or doubles!
- You are allowed to pick: a) one player inside the Singles Top 20 and one player outside the Top 20 b) any two players outside the Singles Top 20 c) any one player.
- We will use the Top 20 criterium throughout the year. We will also use the same Rankings as listed below. This means that it is indeed possible for a member to play with two Top 20 players, if one of the players rises. Of course, it is also possible that a player falls out of the Top 20.
- It is not allowed to change players all the time. GWHh and CCC will discuss whether we will allow a period halfway through the season in which you can switch players. So please think carefully about who you want to play with!

The List of Players:

Top 20:

1. Roger Federer SUI (Fedex)
2. Andy Roddick USA (Silverwhite)
3. Lleyton Hewitt AUS (Crazy_Fool)
4. Marat Safin RUS (Silas)
5. Carlos Moyá ESP (jazz_girl)
6. Guillermo Coría ARG (fabolous)
7. Tim Henman GBR
8. Andre Agassi USA (TomTennis)
9. David Nalbandían ARG (Rosie)
10. Gaston Gaudío ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
11. Guillermo Cañas ARG (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
12. Joachim Johansson SWE (björkfish)
13. Tommy Robredo ESP (Eruwen)
14. Dominik Hrbaty SVK (Richard Cranium)
15. Sébastien Grosjean FRA
16. Mikhail Youzhny RUS (novanora)
17. Tommy Haas GER (Aphex)
18. Nicolas Massu CHI
19. Vincent Spadea USA
20. Nicolas Kiefer GER (Esther)

Other Top 200 Players:

21 Ljubicic, Ivan CRO (RubberDucky)
22 Gonzalez, Fernando CHI (FryslanBoppe)
23 Pavel, Andrei ROM (Fedex)
24 Novak, Jiri CZE (FryslanBoppe)
25 Lopez, Feliciano ESP (Alma)
26 Chela, Juan Ignacio ARG (PerezRoldan)
27 Srichaphan, Paradorn THA (TomTennis)
28 Davydenko, Nikolay RUS
29 Ancic, Mario CRO (Eruwen)
30 Johansson, Thomas SWE (björkfish)
31 Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP (Alma)
32 Dent, Taylor USA (Aphex)
33 Stepanek, Radek CZE
34 Söderling, Robin SWE (novanora)
35 Mayer, Florian GER
36 Verdasco, Fernando ESP
37 Fish, Mardy USA
38 Horna, Luis PER (Supersonik)
39 Melzer, Jurgen AUT
40 Kuerten, Gustavo BRA (Esther)
41 Llodra, Michael FRA
42 Schüttler, Rainer GER (Buddy)
43 Volandri, Filippo ITA (joeb_uk)
44 Berdych, Tomas CZE (pj_girl)
45 Beck, Karol SVK
46 Mirnyi, Max BLR (Buddy)
47 Malisse, Xavier BEL
48 Ferrer, David ESP
49 Rusedski, Greg GBR
50 Andreev, Igor RUS
51 Nadal, Rafael ESP (Crazy_Fool)
52 Santoro, Fabrice FRA (rassklovn)
53 Saulnier, Cyril FRA
54 Zabaleta, Mariano ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
55 Verkerk, Martin NED
56 Costa, Albert ESP (Zetlandsk)
57 Schalken, Sjeng NED
58 Callerí, Agustín ARG (Rosie)
59 Karlovic, Ivo CRO (RubberDucky)
60 Arazi, Hicham MOR (fabolous)
61 Ginepri, Robby USA
62 Koubek, Stefan AUT (Boludo)
63 Escudé, Nicolas FRA
64 Mello, Ricardo BRA
65 Labadze, Irakli GEO (YulBrynnerWasBald)
66 Benneteau, Julien FRA
67 Lee, Hyung-Taik KOR
68 Acasuso, Jose ARG
69 Martín, Alberto ESP
70 Muller, Gilles LUX (Kiro)
71 Björkman, Jonas SWE
72 Rochus, Olivier BEL
73 Monaco, Juan ARG (jazz_girl)
74 Enqvist, Thomas SWE
75 Sanchez, David ESP
76 Sargsian, Sargis ARM
77 Starace, Potito ITA
78 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN (Nieminen)
79 Dupuis, Anthony FRA
80 Tursunov, Dmitryi RUS
81 Carlsen, Kenneth DEN
82 Calatrava, Alex ESP
83 Hernych, Jan CZE
84 Hernandez, Oscar ESP
85 Lu, Yen-Hsun TPE
86 Van Scheppingen, Dennis NED
87 Sluiter, Raemon NED
88 Ulihrach, Bohdan CZE
89 Hanescu, Victor ROM
90 Gambill, Jan-Michael USA
91 Morrison, Jeff USA
92 Popp, Alexander GER
93 Blake, James USA (Silas)
94 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER
95 Montañes, Albert ESP
96 Haehnel, Jérôme FRA
97 Sanguinetti, Davide ITA
98 Arthurs, Wayne AUS
99 Mantílla, Felíx ESP (joeb_uk)
100 Ventura, Santiago ESP (Richard Cranium)
101 Almagro, Nicolas ESP (Supersonik)
102 Kim, Kevin USA
103 Clément, Arnaud FRA
104 Mutis, Olivier FRA
105 Philippoussis, Mark AUS
106 Gasquet, Richard FRA (Silverwhite)
107 Carraz, Grégory FRA
108 Rochus, Christophe BEL
109 Reid, Todd AUS
110 Burgsmüller, Lars GER
111 Corretja, Alex ESP (Zetlandsk)
112 Saretta, Flavio BRA (MerchantWanker)
113 Tabara, Michal CZE
114 Garcia, Adrian CHI
115 Vliegen, Kristof BEL
116 Elseneer, Gilles BEL
117 Patience, Olivier FRA
118 Tipsarevic, Janko SCG
119 Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA
120 Heuberger, Ivo SUI
121 Kucera, Karol SVK (TennisLurker)
122 Bogomolov Jr., Alex USA
123 Falla, Alejandro COL
124 Vanek, Jiri CZE
125 Wessels, Peter NED
126 Ferreira, Wayne RSA - Retired
127 Garcia Lopez, Guillermo ESP (Kiro)
128 Mahut, Nicolas FRA
129 Lisnard, Jean-René FRA
130 Zib, Tomas CZE
131 Peya, Alexander AUT
132 Ramirez Hidalgo, Ruben ESP
133 Weiner, Glenn USA
134 Seppi, Andreas ITA
135 Goldstein, Paul USA
136 Kendrick, Robert USA
137 Ascione, Thierry FRA
138 Chiudinelli, Marco SUI
139 Moodie, Wesley RSA
140 Aldi, Francesco ITA
141 Squillari, Franco ARG (TennisLurker)
142 Okun, Noam ISR
143 Massa, Edgardo ARG
144 Martin, Todd USA - Retired
145 Luczak, Peter AUS
146 Lopez, Marc ESP
147 Salzenstein, Jeff USA
148 Di Mauro, Alessio ITA
149 Lapentti, Giovanni ECU
150 Karanusic, Roko CRO
151 Jeanpierre, Julien FRA
152 Phau, Björn GER
153 Vacek, Jan CZE
154 Bracciali, Daniele ITA
155 Elsner, Daniel GER
156 Behrend, Tomas GER
157 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA
158 Lapentti, Nicolas ECU
159 Norman, Dick BEL
160 Hippensteel, KJ USA
161 Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI
162 Armando, Hugo USA
163 Gicquel, Marc FRA
164 Tenconi, Tomas ITA
165 Brzezicki, Juan Pablo ARG
166 Kratochvil, Michel SUI
167 Blanco, Galo ESP
168 Portas, Albert ESP
169 Simon, Gilles FRA
170 Ryderstedt, Michael SWE
171 Kunitsyn, Igor RUS
172 Voltchkov, Vladimir BLR
173 Gimeno-Traver, Daniel ESP
174 Baker, Brian USA
175 Minar, Ivo CZE
176 Sa, Andre BRA
177 Dancevic, Frank CAN (Domino)
178 Rosset, Marc SUI (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
179 Wang, Yeu-Tzuoo TPE
180 Kindlmann, Dieter GER
181 Summerer, Tobias GER
182 Guzman, Juan Pablo ARG
183 Azzaro, Leonardo ITA
184 Qureshi, Aisam-Ul-Haq PAK
185 Mertinak, Michal SVK
186 Faurel, Jean-Christophe FRA
187 Levy, Harel ISR
188 Djokovic, Novak SCG
189 Andersen, Jan-Frode NOR
190 Roger-Vasselin, Edouard FRA
191 Sabau, Razvan ROM
192 Devilder, Nicolas FRA
193 Parmar, Arvind GBR
194 Bogdanovic, Alex GBR
195 Snobel, Pavel CZE
196 Schukin, Yuri RUS
197 Köllerer, Daniel AUT
198 Vico, Uros ITA
199 Luzzi, Federico ITA
200 Waske, Alexander GER

Taken Players Outside of the Top 200:

Zimonjic, Nenad SCG (CooCooCachoo)
Fyrstenberg, Mariusz POL (CooCooCachoo)
Golmard, Jérôme FRA (pj_girl)
Baghdatis, Marcos CYP (Domino)
El Aynaoui, Younes MOR (YulBrynnerWasBald)
Di Pasquale, Arnaud FRA (Boludo)
Vicente, Fernando ESP (MerchantWanker)
Vinciguerra, Andreas SWE (PerezRoldan)

Aphex
11-14-2004, 03:43 PM
Tommy Haas and Taylor Dent please. (I was too late for favs this time)

PerezRoldan
11-14-2004, 03:45 PM
Juan Ignacio Chela and Andreas Vinciguerra.

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 03:45 PM
Ok, Aphex and PR these nominations have been confirmed.

TomTennis
11-14-2004, 04:21 PM
Agassi and Schrichaphan!!!

Richard Cranium
11-14-2004, 04:28 PM
Dominik Hrbaty
Santiago Ventura

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 04:35 PM
Welcome newcomers :bigwave: :)

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 04:40 PM
64 players :woohoo: :D

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 04:51 PM
Esther

Joined as well :hug: She has chosen Kiefer & Kuerten :)

TomTennis
11-14-2004, 04:58 PM
OMG! 64 players...looks like this game is going to be a great succes...cant wait for it to start.

Everyone be ready to bow to Agassi the great....lol.

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 05:05 PM
OMG! 64 players...looks like this game is going to be a great succes...cant wait for it to start.

Everyone be ready to bow to Agassi the great....lol.

66 Players now ;)

But you will have to wait :lol: It will start early in 2005 :) I am thinking about maybe making the Davis Cup the first event.. Maybe we will even start at the end of this year.

And just wait for Mariusz and Nenad to beat Agassi ;) Nenad has some experience after St. Pölten this year :devil:

Peoples
11-14-2004, 05:23 PM
I'm so glad you decided to continue with this great game!
I'd like to have Nico Massu and I'm still choosing the second player.

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 05:23 PM
I'm so glad you decided to continue with this great game!
I'd like to have Nico Massu and I'm still choosing the second player.

Thank you :) But the format will be slightly different, but there will be loads of players :)

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 05:24 PM
Countries Breakdown:

Argentina (9): Agustín Callerí, Guillermo Cañas, Juan Ignacio Chela, Guillermo Coría, Gaston Gaudío, Juan Monaco, David Nalbandían, Franco Squillarí, Mariano Zabaleta
Australia (1): Lleyton Hewitt
Austria (1): Stefan Koubek
Belarus (1): Max Mirnyi
Belgium (1): Xavier Malisse
Brazil (2): Gustavo Kuerten, Flavio Saretta
Canada (1): Frank Dancevic
Chile (2):: Fernando Gonzalez, Nicolas Massu
Croatia (3): Mario Ancic, Ivan Ljubicic, Ivo Karlovic
Cyprus (1): Marcos Baghdatis
Czech Republic (2): Tomas Berdych, Jiri Novak
Finland (1): Jarkko Nieminen
France (5): Arnaud Di Pasquale, Richard Gasquet, Jérôme Golmard, Sébastien Grosjean, Fabrice Santoro
Georgia (1): Irakli Labadze
Germany (3): Tommy Haas, Nicolas Kiefer, Rainer Schüttler
Italy (1): Filippo Volandri
Luxembourg (1): Gilles Muller
Morocco (2): Hicham Arazi, Younes El Aynaoui
Peru (1): Luis Horna
Poland (1): Mariusz Fyrstenberg
Romania (1): Andrei Pavel
Russia (3): Igor Andreev, Marat Safin, Mikhail Youzhny
Serbia & Montenegro (1): Nenad Zimonjic
Slovakia (2): Dominik Hrbaty, Karol Kucera
Spain (13): Nicolas Almagro, Alex Corretja, Albert Costa, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Guillermo Garcia Lopez, Feliciano Lopez, Felíx Mantílla, Carlos Moyá, Rafael Nadal, Tommy Robredo, Santiago Ventura, Fernando Verdasco, Fernando Vicente
Sweden (4): Joachim Johansson, Thomas Johansson, Robin Söderling, Andreas Vinciguerra
Switzerland (2): Roger Federer, Marc Rosset
Thailand (1): Paradorn Srichaphan
United Kingdom (1): Tim Henman, Greg Rusedski
USA (4): Andre Agassi, James Blake, Taylor Dent, Andy Roddick

Please note:

- For the Davis Cup, all players will be playing. That means certain countries will play with more than one team. Teams will most probably be made by the Tour Directors.
- If a country only has one player, then teams will be mixed (e.g. Finland/Slovakia could be possible).

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 05:25 PM
Updated Available & Taken Players:

Please note beforehand:

- The taken players will be in italics; the available players are in normal writing.
- Whichever player you pick has to be an active player in either singles or doubles!
- You are allowed to pick: a) one player inside the Singles Top 20 and one player outside the Top 20 b) any two players outside the Singles Top 20 c) any one player.
- We will use the Top 20 criterium throughout the year. We will also use the same Rankings as listed below. This means that it is indeed possible for a member to play with two Top 20 players, if one of the players rises. Of course, it is also possible that a player falls out of the Top 20.
- It is not allowed to change players all the time. GWHh and CCC will discuss whether we will allow a period halfway through the season in which you can switch players. So please think carefully about who you want to play with!

The List of Players:

Top 20:

1. Roger Federer SUI (Fedex)
2. Andy Roddick USA (Silverwhite)
3. Lleyton Hewitt AUS (Crazy_Fool)
4. Marat Safin RUS (Silas)
5. Carlos Moyá ESP (jazz_girl)
6. Guillermo Coría ARG (fabolous)
7. Tim Henman GBR (Juan Carlos)
8. Andre Agassi USA (TomTennis)
9. David Nalbandían ARG (Rosie)
10. Gaston Gaudío ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
11. Guillermo Cañas ARG (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
12. Joachim Johansson SWE (björkfish)
13. Tommy Robredo ESP (Eruwen)
14. Dominik Hrbaty SVK (Richard Cranium)
15. Sébastien Grosjean FRA (tommy_girl)
16. Mikhail Youzhny RUS (novanora)
17. Tommy Haas GER (Aphex)
18. Nicolas Massu CHI (Peoples)
19. Vincent Spadea USA
20. Nicolas Kiefer GER (Esther)

Other Top 200 Players:

21 Ljubicic, Ivan CRO (RubberDucky)
22 Gonzalez, Fernando CHI (FryslanBoppe)
23 Pavel, Andrei ROM (Fedex)
24 Novak, Jiri CZE (FryslanBoppe)
25 Lopez, Feliciano ESP (Alma)
26 Chela, Juan Ignacio ARG (PerezRoldan)
27 Srichaphan, Paradorn THA (TomTennis)
28 Davydenko, Nikolay RUS
29 Ancic, Mario CRO (Eruwen)
30 Johansson, Thomas SWE (björkfish)
31 Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP (Alma)
32 Dent, Taylor USA (Aphex)
33 Stepanek, Radek CZE
34 Söderling, Robin SWE (novanora)
35 Mayer, Florian GER
36 Verdasco, Fernando ESP (Juan Carlos)
37 Fish, Mardy USA
38 Horna, Luis PER (Supersonik)
39 Melzer, Jurgen AUT
40 Kuerten, Gustavo BRA (Esther)
41 Llodra, Michael FRA
42 Schüttler, Rainer GER (Buddy)
43 Volandri, Filippo ITA (joeb_uk)
44 Berdych, Tomas CZE (pj_girl)
45 Beck, Karol SVK
46 Mirnyi, Max BLR (Buddy)
47 Malisse, Xavier BEL (tommy_girl)
48 Ferrer, David ESP
49 Rusedski, Greg GBR (jez)
50 Andreev, Igor RUS (Peoples)
51 Nadal, Rafael ESP (Crazy_Fool)
52 Santoro, Fabrice FRA (rassklovn)
53 Saulnier, Cyril FRA
54 Zabaleta, Mariano ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
55 Verkerk, Martin NED
56 Costa, Albert ESP (Zetlandsk)
57 Schalken, Sjeng NED
58 Callerí, Agustín ARG (Rosie)
59 Karlovic, Ivo CRO (RubberDucky)
60 Arazi, Hicham MOR (fabolous)
61 Ginepri, Robby USA
62 Koubek, Stefan AUT (Boludo)
63 Escudé, Nicolas FRA
64 Mello, Ricardo BRA
65 Labadze, Irakli GEO (YulBrynnerWasBald)
66 Benneteau, Julien FRA
67 Lee, Hyung-Taik KOR
68 Acasuso, Jose ARG
69 Martín, Alberto ESP
70 Muller, Gilles LUX (Kiro)
71 Björkman, Jonas SWE
72 Rochus, Olivier BEL
73 Monaco, Juan ARG (jazz_girl)
74 Enqvist, Thomas SWE
75 Sanchez, David ESP
76 Sargsian, Sargis ARM
77 Starace, Potito ITA
78 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN (Nieminen)
79 Dupuis, Anthony FRA
80 Tursunov, Dmitryi RUS
81 Carlsen, Kenneth DEN
82 Calatrava, Alex ESP
83 Hernych, Jan CZE
84 Hernandez, Oscar ESP
85 Lu, Yen-Hsun TPE
86 Van Scheppingen, Dennis NED
87 Sluiter, Raemon NED
88 Ulihrach, Bohdan CZE
89 Hanescu, Victor ROM
90 Gambill, Jan-Michael USA
91 Morrison, Jeff USA
92 Popp, Alexander GER
93 Blake, James USA (Silas)
94 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER
95 Montañes, Albert ESP
96 Haehnel, Jérôme FRA
97 Sanguinetti, Davide ITA
98 Arthurs, Wayne AUS
99 Mantílla, Felíx ESP (joeb_uk)
100 Ventura, Santiago ESP (Richard Cranium)
101 Almagro, Nicolas ESP (Supersonik)
102 Kim, Kevin USA
103 Clément, Arnaud FRA
104 Mutis, Olivier FRA
105 Philippoussis, Mark AUS
106 Gasquet, Richard FRA (Silverwhite)
107 Carraz, Grégory FRA
108 Rochus, Christophe BEL
109 Reid, Todd AUS
110 Burgsmüller, Lars GER
111 Corretja, Alex ESP (Zetlandsk)
112 Saretta, Flavio BRA (MerchantWanker)
113 Tabara, Michal CZE
114 Garcia, Adrian CHI
115 Vliegen, Kristof BEL
116 Elseneer, Gilles BEL
117 Patience, Olivier FRA
118 Tipsarevic, Janko SCG
119 Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA
120 Heuberger, Ivo SUI
121 Kucera, Karol SVK (TennisLurker)
122 Bogomolov Jr., Alex USA
123 Falla, Alejandro COL
124 Vanek, Jiri CZE
125 Wessels, Peter NED
126 Ferreira, Wayne RSA - Retired
127 Garcia Lopez, Guillermo ESP (Kiro)
128 Mahut, Nicolas FRA
129 Lisnard, Jean-René FRA
130 Zib, Tomas CZE
131 Peya, Alexander AUT
132 Ramirez Hidalgo, Ruben ESP
133 Weiner, Glenn USA
134 Seppi, Andreas ITA
135 Goldstein, Paul USA
136 Kendrick, Robert USA
137 Ascione, Thierry FRA
138 Chiudinelli, Marco SUI
139 Moodie, Wesley RSA
140 Aldi, Francesco ITA
141 Squillari, Franco ARG (TennisLurker)
142 Okun, Noam ISR
143 Massa, Edgardo ARG
144 Martin, Todd USA - Retired
145 Luczak, Peter AUS
146 Lopez, Marc ESP
147 Salzenstein, Jeff USA
148 Di Mauro, Alessio ITA
149 Lapentti, Giovanni ECU
150 Karanusic, Roko CRO
151 Jeanpierre, Julien FRA
152 Phau, Björn GER
153 Vacek, Jan CZE
154 Bracciali, Daniele ITA
155 Elsner, Daniel GER
156 Behrend, Tomas GER
157 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA
158 Lapentti, Nicolas ECU
159 Norman, Dick BEL
160 Hippensteel, KJ USA
161 Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI
162 Armando, Hugo USA
163 Gicquel, Marc FRA
164 Tenconi, Tomas ITA
165 Brzezicki, Juan Pablo ARG
166 Kratochvil, Michel SUI
167 Blanco, Galo ESP
168 Portas, Albert ESP
169 Simon, Gilles FRA
170 Ryderstedt, Michael SWE
171 Kunitsyn, Igor RUS
172 Voltchkov, Vladimir BLR
173 Gimeno-Traver, Daniel ESP
174 Baker, Brian USA
175 Minar, Ivo CZE
176 Sa, Andre BRA
177 Dancevic, Frank CAN (Domino)
178 Rosset, Marc SUI (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
179 Wang, Yeu-Tzuoo TPE
180 Kindlmann, Dieter GER
181 Summerer, Tobias GER
182 Guzman, Juan Pablo ARG
183 Azzaro, Leonardo ITA
184 Qureshi, Aisam-Ul-Haq PAK
185 Mertinak, Michal SVK
186 Faurel, Jean-Christophe FRA
187 Levy, Harel ISR
188 Djokovic, Novak SCG
189 Andersen, Jan-Frode NOR
190 Roger-Vasselin, Edouard FRA
191 Sabau, Razvan ROM
192 Devilder, Nicolas FRA
193 Parmar, Arvind GBR
194 Bogdanovic, Alex GBR
195 Snobel, Pavel CZE
196 Schukin, Yuri RUS
197 Köllerer, Daniel AUT
198 Vico, Uros ITA
199 Luzzi, Federico ITA
200 Waske, Alexander GER

Taken Players Outside of the Top 200:

Zimonjic, Nenad SCG (CooCooCachoo)
Fyrstenberg, Mariusz POL (CooCooCachoo)
Golmard, Jérôme FRA (pj_girl)
Baghdatis, Marcos CYP (Domino)
El Aynaoui, Younes MOR (YulBrynnerWasBald)
Di Pasquale, Arnaud FRA (Boludo)
Vicente, Fernando ESP (MerchantWanker)
Vinciguerra, Andreas SWE (PerezRoldan)

Peoples
11-14-2004, 05:34 PM
I'll keep Igor Andreev from the previous game as my 2nd player :)

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 05:39 PM
OK Peoples :) It's on the list ;) Thanks for joining!

aIrSaMpRaS14
11-14-2004, 05:40 PM
Can I have Henman and Verdasco?

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 05:49 PM
Yep :) Welcome ;)

tommy_girl
11-14-2004, 05:57 PM
h! im new to the game... :wavey: ..still not that familiar but i wanna join.. i'll just review the rules again later and i hope sum1 could help me out too.. ;)

nweiz, my choices are:
Sébastien Grosjean (hope he gets back well in 2005) and Xavier Malisse

Horatio Caine
11-14-2004, 05:57 PM
Henman and Rusedski please!!! :)

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 05:58 PM
h! im new to the game... :wavey: ..still not that familiar but i wanna join.. i'll just review the rules again later and i hope sum1 could help me out too.. ;)

nweiz, my choices are:
Sébastien Grosjean (hope he gets back well in 2005) and Xavier Malisse

Hi :)

Welcome! :) You don't have to look at the points system. We will probably use a new and much easier one of which you will be notified ;)

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 05:58 PM
Henman and Rusedski please!!! :)

I am sorry Jez ;) Someone took Henman just before you did!

tommy_girl
11-14-2004, 05:59 PM
Hi :)

Welcome! :) You don't have to look at the points system. We will probably use a new and much easier one of which you will be notified ;)

thanks! :D :wavey:

Horatio Caine
11-14-2004, 06:00 PM
Damn - Henman taken!

Spadea and Rusedski please!!!

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 06:03 PM
Countries Breakdown:

Argentina (9): Agustín Callerí, Guillermo Cañas, Juan Ignacio Chela, Guillermo Coría, Gaston Gaudío, Juan Monaco, David Nalbandían, Franco Squillarí, Mariano Zabaleta
Australia (1): Lleyton Hewitt
Austria (1): Stefan Koubek
Belarus (1): Max Mirnyi
Belgium (1): Xavier Malisse
Brazil (2): Gustavo Kuerten, Flavio Saretta
Canada (1): Frank Dancevic
Chile (2):: Fernando Gonzalez, Nicolas Massu
Croatia (3): Mario Ancic, Ivan Ljubicic, Ivo Karlovic
Cyprus (1): Marcos Baghdatis
Czech Republic (3): Tomas Berdych, Jiri Novak, Radek Stepanek
Ecuador (1): Nicolas Lapentti
Finland (1): Jarkko Nieminen
France (7): Arnaud Di Pasquale, Richard Gasquet, Jérôme Golmard, Sébastien Grosjean, Michael Llodra, Gael Monfils, Fabrice Santoro
Georgia (1): Irakli Labadze
Germany (3): Tommy Haas, Nicolas Kiefer, Rainer Schüttler
Italy (2): Andreas Seppi, Filippo Volandri
Luxembourg (1): Gilles Muller
Morocco (2): Hicham Arazi, Younes El Aynaoui
The Netherlands (1): Martin Verkerk
Peru (1): Luis Horna
Poland (1): Mariusz Fyrstenberg
Romania (1): Andrei Pavel
Russia (4): Igor Andreev, Nikolay Davydenko, Marat Safin, Mikhail Youzhny
Serbia & Montenegro (1): Nenad Zimonjic
Slovakia (2): Dominik Hrbaty, Karol Kucera
Spain (13): Nicolas Almagro, Alex Corretja, Albert Costa, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Guillermo Garcia Lopez, Feliciano Lopez, Felíx Mantílla, Carlos Moyá, Rafael Nadal, Tommy Robredo, Santiago Ventura, Fernando Verdasco, Fernando Vicente
Sweden (4): Joachim Johansson, Thomas Johansson, Robin Söderling, Andreas Vinciguerra
Switzerland (3): Yves Allegro, Roger Federer, Marc Rosset
Thailand (1): Paradorn Srichaphan
United Kingdom (2): Tim Henman, Greg Rusedski
USA (4): Andre Agassi, James Blake, Taylor Dent, Andy Roddick, Vince Spadea

Please note:

- For the Davis Cup, all players will be playing. That means certain countries will play with more than one team. Teams will most probably be made by the Tour Directors.
- If a country only has one player, then teams will be mixed (e.g. Finland/Slovakia could be possible).

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 06:03 PM
Updated Available & Taken Players:

Please note beforehand:

- The taken players will be in italics; the available players are in normal writing.
- Whichever player you pick has to be an active player in either singles or doubles!
- You are allowed to pick: a) one player inside the Singles Top 20 and one player outside the Top 20 b) any two players outside the Singles Top 20 c) any one player.
- We will use the Top 20 criterium throughout the year. We will also use the same Rankings as listed below. This means that it is indeed possible for a member to play with two Top 20 players, if one of the players rises. Of course, it is also possible that a player falls out of the Top 20.
- It is not allowed to change players all the time. GWHh and CCC will discuss whether we will allow a period halfway through the season in which you can switch players. So please think carefully about who you want to play with!

The List of Players:

Top 20:

1. Roger Federer SUI (Fedex)
2. Andy Roddick USA (Silverwhite)
3. Lleyton Hewitt AUS (Crazy_Fool)
4. Marat Safin RUS (Silas)
5. Carlos Moyá ESP (jazz_girl)
6. Guillermo Coría ARG (fabolous)
7. Tim Henman GBR (Juan Carlos)
8. Andre Agassi USA (TomTennis)
9. David Nalbandían ARG (Rosie)
10. Gaston Gaudío ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
11. Guillermo Cañas ARG (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
12. Joachim Johansson SWE (björkfish)
13. Tommy Robredo ESP (Eruwen)
14. Dominik Hrbaty SVK (Richard Cranium)
15. Sébastien Grosjean FRA (tommy_girl)
16. Mikhail Youzhny RUS (novanora)
17. Tommy Haas GER (Aphex)
18. Nicolas Massu CHI (Peoples)
19. Vincent Spadea USA (jez)
20. Nicolas Kiefer GER (Esther)

Other Top 200 Players:

21 Ljubicic, Ivan CRO (RubberDucky)
22 Gonzalez, Fernando CHI (FryslanBoppe)
23 Pavel, Andrei ROM (Fedex)
24 Novak, Jiri CZE (FryslanBoppe)
25 Lopez, Feliciano ESP (Alma)
26 Chela, Juan Ignacio ARG (PerezRoldan)
27 Srichaphan, Paradorn THA (TomTennis)
28 Davydenko, Nikolay RUS (maratski)
29 Ancic, Mario CRO (Eruwen)
30 Johansson, Thomas SWE (björkfish)
31 Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP (Alma)
32 Dent, Taylor USA (Aphex)
33 Stepanek, Radek CZE (maratski)
34 Söderling, Robin SWE (novanora)
35 Mayer, Florian GER
36 Verdasco, Fernando ESP (Juan Carlos)
37 Fish, Mardy USA
38 Horna, Luis PER (Supersonik)
39 Melzer, Jurgen AUT
40 Kuerten, Gustavo BRA (Esther)
41 Llodra, Michael FRA (WyveN)
42 Schüttler, Rainer GER (Buddy)
43 Volandri, Filippo ITA (joeb_uk)
44 Berdych, Tomas CZE (pj_girl)
45 Beck, Karol SVK
46 Mirnyi, Max BLR (Buddy)
47 Malisse, Xavier BEL (tommy_girl)
48 Ferrer, David ESP
49 Rusedski, Greg GBR (jez)
50 Andreev, Igor RUS (Peoples)
51 Nadal, Rafael ESP (Crazy_Fool)
52 Santoro, Fabrice FRA (rassklovn)
53 Saulnier, Cyril FRA
54 Zabaleta, Mariano ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
55 Verkerk, Martin NED (WyveN)
56 Costa, Albert ESP (Zetlandsk)
57 Schalken, Sjeng NED
58 Callerí, Agustín ARG (Rosie)
59 Karlovic, Ivo CRO (RubberDucky)
60 Arazi, Hicham MOR (fabolous)
61 Ginepri, Robby USA
62 Koubek, Stefan AUT (Boludo)
63 Escudé, Nicolas FRA
64 Mello, Ricardo BRA
65 Labadze, Irakli GEO (YulBrynnerWasBald)
66 Benneteau, Julien FRA
67 Lee, Hyung-Taik KOR
68 Acasuso, Jose ARG
69 Martín, Alberto ESP
70 Muller, Gilles LUX (Kiro)
71 Björkman, Jonas SWE
72 Rochus, Olivier BEL
73 Monaco, Juan ARG (jazz_girl)
74 Enqvist, Thomas SWE
75 Sanchez, David ESP
76 Sargsian, Sargis ARM
77 Starace, Potito ITA
78 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN (Nieminen)
79 Dupuis, Anthony FRA
80 Tursunov, Dmitryi RUS
81 Carlsen, Kenneth DEN
82 Calatrava, Alex ESP
83 Hernych, Jan CZE
84 Hernandez, Oscar ESP
85 Lu, Yen-Hsun TPE
86 Van Scheppingen, Dennis NED
87 Sluiter, Raemon NED
88 Ulihrach, Bohdan CZE
89 Hanescu, Victor ROM
90 Gambill, Jan-Michael USA
91 Morrison, Jeff USA
92 Popp, Alexander GER
93 Blake, James USA (Silas)
94 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER
95 Montañes, Albert ESP
96 Haehnel, Jérôme FRA
97 Sanguinetti, Davide ITA
98 Arthurs, Wayne AUS
99 Mantílla, Felíx ESP (joeb_uk)
100 Ventura, Santiago ESP (Richard Cranium)
101 Almagro, Nicolas ESP (Supersonik)
102 Kim, Kevin USA
103 Clément, Arnaud FRA
104 Mutis, Olivier FRA
105 Philippoussis, Mark AUS
106 Gasquet, Richard FRA (Silverwhite)
107 Carraz, Grégory FRA
108 Rochus, Christophe BEL
109 Reid, Todd AUS
110 Burgsmüller, Lars GER
111 Corretja, Alex ESP (Zetlandsk)
112 Saretta, Flavio BRA (MerchantWanker)
113 Tabara, Michal CZE
114 Garcia, Adrian CHI
115 Vliegen, Kristof BEL
116 Elseneer, Gilles BEL
117 Patience, Olivier FRA
118 Tipsarevic, Janko SCG
119 Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA
120 Heuberger, Ivo SUI
121 Kucera, Karol SVK (TennisLurker)
122 Bogomolov Jr., Alex USA
123 Falla, Alejandro COL
124 Vanek, Jiri CZE
125 Wessels, Peter NED
126 Ferreira, Wayne RSA - Retired
127 Garcia Lopez, Guillermo ESP (Kiro)
128 Mahut, Nicolas FRA
129 Lisnard, Jean-René FRA
130 Zib, Tomas CZE
131 Peya, Alexander AUT
132 Ramirez Hidalgo, Ruben ESP
133 Weiner, Glenn USA
134 Seppi, Andreas ITA (Vladimir Poutine)
135 Goldstein, Paul USA
136 Kendrick, Robert USA
137 Ascione, Thierry FRA
138 Chiudinelli, Marco SUI
139 Moodie, Wesley RSA
140 Aldi, Francesco ITA
141 Squillari, Franco ARG (TennisLurker)
142 Okun, Noam ISR
143 Massa, Edgardo ARG
144 Martin, Todd USA - Retired
145 Luczak, Peter AUS
146 Lopez, Marc ESP
147 Salzenstein, Jeff USA
148 Di Mauro, Alessio ITA
149 Lapentti, Giovanni ECU
150 Karanusic, Roko CRO
151 Jeanpierre, Julien FRA
152 Phau, Björn GER
153 Vacek, Jan CZE
154 Bracciali, Daniele ITA
155 Elsner, Daniel GER
156 Behrend, Tomas GER
157 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA
158 Lapentti, Nicolas ECU (Vladimir Poutine)
159 Norman, Dick BEL
160 Hippensteel, KJ USA
161 Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI
162 Armando, Hugo USA
163 Gicquel, Marc FRA
164 Tenconi, Tomas ITA
165 Brzezicki, Juan Pablo ARG
166 Kratochvil, Michel SUI
167 Blanco, Galo ESP
168 Portas, Albert ESP
169 Simon, Gilles FRA
170 Ryderstedt, Michael SWE
171 Kunitsyn, Igor RUS
172 Voltchkov, Vladimir BLR
173 Gimeno-Traver, Daniel ESP
174 Baker, Brian USA
175 Minar, Ivo CZE
176 Sa, Andre BRA
177 Dancevic, Frank CAN (Domino)
178 Rosset, Marc SUI (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
179 Wang, Yeu-Tzuoo TPE
180 Kindlmann, Dieter GER
181 Summerer, Tobias GER
182 Guzman, Juan Pablo ARG
183 Azzaro, Leonardo ITA
184 Qureshi, Aisam-Ul-Haq PAK
185 Mertinak, Michal SVK
186 Faurel, Jean-Christophe FRA
187 Levy, Harel ISR
188 Djokovic, Novak SCG
189 Andersen, Jan-Frode NOR
190 Roger-Vasselin, Edouard FRA
191 Sabau, Razvan ROM
192 Devilder, Nicolas FRA
193 Parmar, Arvind GBR
194 Bogdanovic, Alex GBR
195 Snobel, Pavel CZE
196 Schukin, Yuri RUS
197 Köllerer, Daniel AUT
198 Vico, Uros ITA
199 Luzzi, Federico ITA
200 Waske, Alexander GER

Taken Players Outside of the Top 200:

Zimonjic, Nenad SCG (CooCooCachoo)
Fyrstenberg, Mariusz POL (CooCooCachoo)
Golmard, Jérôme FRA (pj_girl)
Baghdatis, Marcos CYP (Domino)
El Aynaoui, Younes MOR (YulBrynnerWasBald)
Di Pasquale, Arnaud FRA (Boludo)
Vicente, Fernando ESP (MerchantWanker)
Vinciguerra, Andreas SWE (PerezRoldan)
Allegro, Yves SUI (Fondueischguät)
Monfils, Gael FRA (Fondueischguät)

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 06:04 PM
:eek: All Top 20 Players are taken :eek:
:o Over 70 players :o

Looks like the relaunch is going to be a big success, GWH ;) :yeah:

CooCooCachoo
11-14-2004, 08:00 PM
You can still join ;) Just pick two players that are still available :yeah:

maratski
11-14-2004, 09:29 PM
I want to coach God Nikolay and hot God Radek :)

Vladimir Poutine
11-15-2004, 01:42 AM
The great game is back and man the numbers are impressive so far to say the least.

Andreas Seppi and Nico Lapentti are the players I am going to coach.

CooCooCachoo
11-15-2004, 05:53 AM
Thanks for joining VP and Maratski :D

The Top 34 has now been taken :yeah:

Fondueischguät
11-15-2004, 06:19 AM
Why not you have a new member for this game and I will take

Gael Monfils and Yves Allegro.

WyveN
11-15-2004, 06:26 AM
I will take Llodra and Verkerk

Fondueischguät
11-15-2004, 06:27 AM
I will take Llodra and Verkerk

Going for the attacking players I see. :)

Action Jackson
11-15-2004, 06:31 AM
:eek: All Top 20 Players are taken :eek:
:o Over 70 players :o

Looks like the relaunch is going to be a big success, GWH ;) :yeah:

The way this is going, we are going to have some strong challenger events. ;)

CooCooCachoo
11-15-2004, 06:58 AM
Over 80 ! players :o :bounce: :)

CooCooCachoo
11-15-2004, 06:58 AM
And a welcome back to WyveN and a welcome to Fondueischguät ;)

loeliepoelie
11-15-2004, 07:30 AM
Hey Martijn, I want Ferrer and Mathieu!!! :hug:

WyveN
11-15-2004, 07:31 AM
Going for the attacking players I see. :)

All my favs are taken so going to check if serve-volleyers can win on clay

CooCooCachoo
11-15-2004, 07:35 AM
EVERYONE: THE RULES HAVE CHANGED!

Please read them ;) These should be much easier :)

CooCooCachoo
11-15-2004, 07:36 AM
Countries Breakdown:

Argentina (9): Agustín Callerí, Guillermo Cañas, Juan Ignacio Chela, Guillermo Coría, Gaston Gaudío, Juan Monaco, David Nalbandían, Franco Squillarí, Mariano Zabaleta
Armenia (1): Sargis Sargsian
Australia (1): Lleyton Hewitt
Austria (2): Stefan Koubek, Jurgen Melzer
Belarus (1): Max Mirnyi
Belgium (1): Xavier Malisse
Brazil (2): Gustavo Kuerten, Flavio Saretta
Canada (1): Frank Dancevic
Chile (2):: Fernando Gonzalez, Nicolas Massu
Croatia (3): Mario Ancic, Ivan Ljubicic, Ivo Karlovic
Cyprus (1): Marcos Baghdatis
Czech Republic (3): Tomas Berdych, Jiri Novak, Radek Stepanek
Ecuador (1): Nicolas Lapentti
Finland (1): Jarkko Nieminen
France (12): Thierry Ascione, Julien Benneteau, Arnaud Clément, Arnaud Di Pasquale, Richard Gasquet, Jérôme Golmard, Sébastien Grosjean, Michael Llodra, Paul-Henri Mathieu, Gael Monfils, Edouard Roger-Vasselin, Fabrice Santoro
Georgia (1): Irakli Labadze
Germany (4): Tommy Haas, Nicolas Kiefer, Florian Mayer, Rainer Schüttler
Italy (2): Andreas Seppi, Filippo Volandri
Luxembourg (1): Gilles Muller
Morocco (2): Hicham Arazi, Younes El Aynaoui
The Netherlands (3): Fred Hemmes Jr., Sjeng Schalken, Martin Verkerk
Peru (1): Luis Horna
Poland (1): Mariusz Fyrstenberg
Romania (1): Andrei Pavel
Russia (4): Igor Andreev, Nikolay Davydenko, Marat Safin, Mikhail Youzhny
Serbia & Montenegro (1): Nenad Zimonjic
Slovakia (2): Dominik Hrbaty, Karol Kucera
Spain (13): Nicolas Almagro, Alex Corretja, Albert Costa, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Guillermo Garcia Lopez, Feliciano Lopez, Felíx Mantílla, Carlos Moyá, Rafael Nadal, Tommy Robredo, Santiago Ventura, Fernando Verdasco, Fernando Vicente
Sweden (5): Thomas Enqvist, Joachim Johansson, Thomas Johansson, Robin Söderling, Andreas Vinciguerra
Switzerland (3): Yves Allegro, Roger Federer, Marc Rosset
Thailand (1): Paradorn Srichaphan
United Kingdom (2): Tim Henman, Greg Rusedski
USA (5): Andre Agassi, James Blake, Taylor Dent, Mardy Fish, Andy Roddick, Vince Spadea

Please note:

- For the Davis Cup, all players will be playing. That means certain countries will play with more than one team. Teams will most probably be made by the Tour Directors.
- If a country only has one player, then teams will be mixed (e.g. Finland/Slovakia could be possible).

CooCooCachoo
11-15-2004, 07:37 AM
Updated Available & Taken Players:

Please note beforehand:

- The taken players will be in italics; the available players are in normal writing.
- Whichever player you pick has to be an active player in either singles or doubles!
- You are allowed to pick: a) one player inside the Singles Top 20 and one player outside the Top 20 b) any two players outside the Singles Top 20 c) any one player.
- We will use the Top 20 criterium throughout the year. We will also use the same Rankings as listed below. This means that it is indeed possible for a member to play with two Top 20 players, if one of the players rises. Of course, it is also possible that a player falls out of the Top 20.
- It is not allowed to change players all the time. GWHh and CCC will discuss whether we will allow a period halfway through the season in which you can switch players. So please think carefully about who you want to play with!

The List of Players:

Top 20:

1. Roger Federer SUI (Fedex)
2. Andy Roddick USA (Silverwhite)
3. Lleyton Hewitt AUS (Crazy_Fool)
4. Marat Safin RUS (Silas)
5. Carlos Moyá ESP (jazz_girl)
6. Guillermo Coría ARG (fabolous)
7. Tim Henman GBR (Juan Carlos)
8. Andre Agassi USA (TomTennis)
9. David Nalbandían ARG (Rosie)
10. Gaston Gaudío ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
11. Guillermo Cañas ARG (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
12. Joachim Johansson SWE (björkfish)
13. Tommy Robredo ESP (Eruwen)
14. Dominik Hrbaty SVK (Richard Cranium)
15. Sébastien Grosjean FRA (tommy_girl)
16. Mikhail Youzhny RUS (novanora)
17. Tommy Haas GER (Aphex)
18. Nicolas Massu CHI (Peoples)
19. Vincent Spadea USA (jez)
20. Nicolas Kiefer GER (Esther)

Other Top 200 Players:

21 Ljubicic, Ivan CRO (RubberDucky)
22 Gonzalez, Fernando CHI (FryslanBoppe)
23 Pavel, Andrei ROM (Fedex)
24 Novak, Jiri CZE (FryslanBoppe)
25 Lopez, Feliciano ESP (Alma)
26 Chela, Juan Ignacio ARG (PerezRoldan)
27 Srichaphan, Paradorn THA (TomTennis)
28 Davydenko, Nikolay RUS (maratski)
29 Ancic, Mario CRO (Eruwen)
30 Johansson, Thomas SWE (björkfish)
31 Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP (Alma)
32 Dent, Taylor USA (Aphex)
33 Stepanek, Radek CZE (maratski)
34 Söderling, Robin SWE (novanora)
35 Mayer, Florian GER (Raquel)
36 Verdasco, Fernando ESP (Juan Carlos)
37 Fish, Mardy USA (buufje)
38 Horna, Luis PER (Supersonik)
39 Melzer, Jurgen AUT (Space Cowgirl)
40 Kuerten, Gustavo BRA (Esther)
41 Llodra, Michael FRA (WyveN)
42 Schüttler, Rainer GER (Buddy)
43 Volandri, Filippo ITA (joeb_uk)
44 Berdych, Tomas CZE (pj_girl)
45 Beck, Karol SVK
46 Mirnyi, Max BLR (Buddy)
47 Malisse, Xavier BEL (tommy_girl)
48 Ferrer, David ESP
49 Rusedski, Greg GBR (jez)
50 Andreev, Igor RUS (Peoples)
51 Nadal, Rafael ESP (Crazy_Fool)
52 Santoro, Fabrice FRA (rassklovn)
53 Saulnier, Cyril FRA
54 Zabaleta, Mariano ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
55 Verkerk, Martin NED (WyveN)
56 Costa, Albert ESP (Zetlandsk)
57 Schalken, Sjeng NED (buufje)
58 Callerí, Agustín ARG (Rosie)
59 Karlovic, Ivo CRO (RubberDucky)
60 Arazi, Hicham MOR (fabolous)
61 Ginepri, Robby USA
62 Koubek, Stefan AUT (Boludo)
63 Escudé, Nicolas FRA
64 Mello, Ricardo BRA
65 Labadze, Irakli GEO (YulBrynnerWasBald)
66 Benneteau, Julien FRA (Kezzi)
67 Lee, Hyung-Taik KOR
68 Acasuso, Jose ARG
69 Martín, Alberto ESP
70 Muller, Gilles LUX (Kiro)
71 Björkman, Jonas SWE
72 Rochus, Olivier BEL
73 Monaco, Juan ARG (jazz_girl)
74 Enqvist, Thomas SWE (Raquel)
75 Sanchez, David ESP
76 Sargsian, Sargis ARM (Space Cowgirl)
77 Starace, Potito ITA
78 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN (Nieminen)
79 Dupuis, Anthony FRA
80 Tursunov, Dmitryi RUS
81 Carlsen, Kenneth DEN
82 Calatrava, Alex ESP
83 Hernych, Jan CZE
84 Hernandez, Oscar ESP
85 Lu, Yen-Hsun TPE
86 Van Scheppingen, Dennis NED
87 Sluiter, Raemon NED
88 Ulihrach, Bohdan CZE
89 Hanescu, Victor ROM
90 Gambill, Jan-Michael USA
91 Morrison, Jeff USA
92 Popp, Alexander GER
93 Blake, James USA (Silas)
94 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER
95 Montañes, Albert ESP
96 Haehnel, Jérôme FRA
97 Sanguinetti, Davide ITA
98 Arthurs, Wayne AUS
99 Mantílla, Felíx ESP (joeb_uk)
100 Ventura, Santiago ESP (Richard Cranium)
101 Almagro, Nicolas ESP (Supersonik)
102 Kim, Kevin USA
103 Clément, Arnaud FRA (Gosjke)
104 Mutis, Olivier FRA
105 Philippoussis, Mark AUS
106 Gasquet, Richard FRA (Silverwhite)
107 Carraz, Grégory FRA
108 Rochus, Christophe BEL
109 Reid, Todd AUS
110 Burgsmüller, Lars GER
111 Corretja, Alex ESP (Zetlandsk)
112 Saretta, Flavio BRA (MerchantWanker)
113 Tabara, Michal CZE
114 Garcia, Adrian CHI
115 Vliegen, Kristof BEL
116 Elseneer, Gilles BEL
117 Patience, Olivier FRA
118 Tipsarevic, Janko SCG
119 Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA (loeliepoelie)
120 Heuberger, Ivo SUI
121 Kucera, Karol SVK (TennisLurker)
122 Bogomolov Jr., Alex USA
123 Falla, Alejandro COL
124 Vanek, Jiri CZE
125 Wessels, Peter NED
126 Ferreira, Wayne RSA - Retired
127 Garcia Lopez, Guillermo ESP (Kiro)
128 Mahut, Nicolas FRA
129 Lisnard, Jean-René FRA
130 Zib, Tomas CZE
131 Peya, Alexander AUT
132 Ramirez Hidalgo, Ruben ESP
133 Weiner, Glenn USA
134 Seppi, Andreas ITA (Vladimir Poutine)
135 Goldstein, Paul USA
136 Kendrick, Robert USA
137 Ascione, Thierry FRA (Gosjke)
138 Chiudinelli, Marco SUI
139 Moodie, Wesley RSA
140 Aldi, Francesco ITA
141 Squillari, Franco ARG (TennisLurker)
142 Okun, Noam ISR
143 Massa, Edgardo ARG
144 Martin, Todd USA - Retired
145 Luczak, Peter AUS
146 Lopez, Marc ESP
147 Salzenstein, Jeff USA
148 Di Mauro, Alessio ITA
149 Lapentti, Giovanni ECU
150 Karanusic, Roko CRO
151 Jeanpierre, Julien FRA
152 Phau, Björn GER
153 Vacek, Jan CZE
154 Bracciali, Daniele ITA
155 Elsner, Daniel GER
156 Behrend, Tomas GER
157 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA
158 Lapentti, Nicolas ECU (Vladimir Poutine)
159 Norman, Dick BEL
160 Hippensteel, KJ USA
161 Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI
162 Armando, Hugo USA
163 Gicquel, Marc FRA
164 Tenconi, Tomas ITA
165 Brzezicki, Juan Pablo ARG
166 Kratochvil, Michel SUI
167 Blanco, Galo ESP
168 Portas, Albert ESP
169 Simon, Gilles FRA
170 Ryderstedt, Michael SWE
171 Kunitsyn, Igor RUS
172 Voltchkov, Vladimir BLR
173 Gimeno-Traver, Daniel ESP
174 Baker, Brian USA
175 Minar, Ivo CZE
176 Sa, Andre BRA
177 Dancevic, Frank CAN (Domino)
178 Rosset, Marc SUI (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
179 Wang, Yeu-Tzuoo TPE
180 Kindlmann, Dieter GER
181 Summerer, Tobias GER
182 Guzman, Juan Pablo ARG
183 Azzaro, Leonardo ITA
184 Qureshi, Aisam-Ul-Haq PAK
185 Mertinak, Michal SVK
186 Faurel, Jean-Christophe FRA
187 Levy, Harel ISR
188 Djokovic, Novak SCG
189 Andersen, Jan-Frode NOR
190 Roger-Vasselin, Edouard FRA (loeliepoelie)
191 Sabau, Razvan ROM
192 Devilder, Nicolas FRA
193 Parmar, Arvind GBR
194 Bogdanovic, Alex GBR
195 Snobel, Pavel CZE
196 Schukin, Yuri RUS
197 Köllerer, Daniel AUT
198 Vico, Uros ITA
199 Luzzi, Federico ITA
200 Waske, Alexander GER

Taken Players Outside of the Top 200:

Zimonjic, Nenad SCG (CooCooCachoo)
Fyrstenberg, Mariusz POL (CooCooCachoo)
Golmard, Jérôme FRA (pj_girl)
Baghdatis, Marcos CYP (Domino)
El Aynaoui, Younes MOR (YulBrynnerWasBald)
Di Pasquale, Arnaud FRA (Boludo)
Vicente, Fernando ESP (MerchantWanker)
Vinciguerra, Andreas SWE (PerezRoldan)
Allegro, Yves SUI (Fondueischguät)
Monfils, Gael FRA (Fondueischguät)
Hemmes Jr., Fred NED (Kezzi)

CooCooCachoo
11-15-2004, 07:38 AM
EVERYONE: THE RULES HAVE CHANGED!

Please read them ;) These should be much easier :)

We will clearly state what surfaces the tournaments are played on. It is also possible that we add 'Rebound Ace' as a surface. I will have to discuss this with GWH ;)

loeliepoelie
11-15-2004, 07:50 AM
Martijn, now that I understand the rules better (thanks for explaining:)) Can I change to Mathieu and Roger-Vasselin? So I would like Roger-Vasselin instead of Ferrer :hug:

If it's not possible, don't worry! ;)

Ferrero Forever
11-15-2004, 07:53 AM
can someone please clear this up for me, only one person can have a particular player, like i couldn't have Juan Carlos because alma has him?

loeliepoelie
11-15-2004, 07:54 AM
can someone please clear this up for me, only one person can have a particular player, like i couldn't have Juan Carlos because alma has him?

that is correct! :)

Ferrero Forever
11-15-2004, 08:21 AM
ok, thanks for the info

CooCooCachoo
11-15-2004, 12:19 PM
Martijn, now that I understand the rules better (thanks for explaining:)) Can I change to Mathieu and Roger-Vasselin? So I would like Roger-Vasselin instead of Ferrer :hug:

If it's not possible, don't worry! ;)

:lol: I don't know why the rules mean you have to change your player, but I changed it for you ;)

CooCooCachoo
11-15-2004, 12:32 PM
Buufje

Has joined, with Fish and Schalken :bounce: :hug: Judith

That makes a total of 86 players!

Raquel
11-15-2004, 01:25 PM
:wavey: I would like to join as Florian Mayer and Thomas Enqvist

Thanks :)

CooCooCachoo
11-15-2004, 01:43 PM
Welcome Raquel :)

novanora
11-15-2004, 02:11 PM
Buufje

Has joined, with Fish and Schalken :bounce: :hug: Judith

That makes a total of 86 players!
bov, jud~ :hug: glad you also join this game :hug:

CooCooCachoo
11-15-2004, 04:05 PM
Gosjke

Joined us :woohoo: She will coach Arnaud Clément & Thierry Ascione :)

CooCooCachoo
11-15-2004, 07:36 PM
You can still join the fun :yeah:

Space Cowgirl
11-15-2004, 08:32 PM
Oh dear, I've nearly missed the boat!
Can I have Jürgen Melzer and Sargis Sargsian please?

Action Jackson
11-16-2004, 01:18 AM
Oh dear, I've nearly missed the boat!
Can I have Jürgen Melzer and Sargis Sargsian please?

Done, you are the trainer of Melzer and Sargsian.

loeliepoelie, thank you for clearing that rule up.

Peta Pan
11-16-2004, 01:38 AM
Are the rules concerning the points the same as this year... as in once the surface points are submitted they can't be changed?

And the set points... can they be changed throughout the year but not during tournaments?

Action Jackson
11-16-2004, 01:44 AM
Are the rules concerning the points the same as this year... as in once the surface points are submitted they can't be changed?

And the set points... can they be changed throughout the year but not during tournaments?

More than likely that will be the case pj , but I need to discuss that with Coo first.

Once the surface points have been submitted, that's the number for the year, and these can be changed before the start of each tournament, but not during the actual tournament. That is what I am proposing at the moment anyway.

Any changes Coo and I will let everyone know.

CooCooCachoo
11-16-2004, 04:28 AM
Countries Breakdown:

Argentina (9): Agustín Callerí, Guillermo Cañas, Juan Ignacio Chela, Guillermo Coría, Gaston Gaudío, Juan Monaco, David Nalbandían, Franco Squillarí, Mariano Zabaleta
Armenia (1): Sargis Sargsian
Australia (1): Lleyton Hewitt
Austria (2): Stefan Koubek, Jurgen Melzer
Belarus (1): Max Mirnyi
Belgium (1): Xavier Malisse
Brazil (2): Gustavo Kuerten, Flavio Saretta
Canada (1): Frank Dancevic
Chile (2):: Fernando Gonzalez, Nicolas Massu
Croatia (3): Mario Ancic, Ivan Ljubicic, Ivo Karlovic
Cyprus (1): Marcos Baghdatis
Czech Republic (3): Tomas Berdych, Jiri Novak, Radek Stepanek
Ecuador (1): Nicolas Lapentti
Finland (1): Jarkko Nieminen
France (12): Thierry Ascione, Julien Benneteau, Arnaud Clément, Arnaud Di Pasquale, Richard Gasquet, Jérôme Golmard, Sébastien Grosjean, Michael Llodra, Paul-Henri Mathieu, Gael Monfils, Edouard Roger-Vasselin, Fabrice Santoro
Georgia (1): Irakli Labadze
Germany (4): Tommy Haas, Nicolas Kiefer, Florian Mayer, Rainer Schüttler
Italy (2): Andreas Seppi, Filippo Volandri
Luxembourg (1): Gilles Muller
Morocco (2): Hicham Arazi, Younes El Aynaoui
The Netherlands (3): Fred Hemmes Jr., Sjeng Schalken, Martin Verkerk
Peru (1): Luis Horna
Poland (1): Mariusz Fyrstenberg
Romania (1): Andrei Pavel
Russia (4): Igor Andreev, Nikolay Davydenko, Marat Safin, Mikhail Youzhny
Serbia & Montenegro (1): Nenad Zimonjic
Slovakia (2): Dominik Hrbaty, Karol Kucera
Spain (13): Nicolas Almagro, Alex Corretja, Albert Costa, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Guillermo Garcia Lopez, Feliciano Lopez, Felíx Mantílla, Carlos Moyá, Rafael Nadal, Tommy Robredo, Santiago Ventura, Fernando Verdasco, Fernando Vicente
Sweden (5): Thomas Enqvist, Joachim Johansson, Thomas Johansson, Robin Söderling, Andreas Vinciguerra
Switzerland (3): Yves Allegro, Roger Federer, Marc Rosset
Thailand (1): Paradorn Srichaphan
United Kingdom (2): Tim Henman, Greg Rusedski
USA (5): Andre Agassi, James Blake, Taylor Dent, Mardy Fish, Andy Roddick, Vince Spadea

Please note:

- For the Davis Cup, all players will be playing. That means certain countries will play with more than one team. Teams will most probably be made by the Tour Directors.
- If a country only has one player, then teams will be mixed (e.g. Finland/Slovakia could be possible).

CooCooCachoo
11-16-2004, 04:30 AM
Updated Available & Taken Players:

Please note beforehand:

- The taken players will be in italics; the available players are in normal writing.
- Whichever player you pick has to be an active player in either singles or doubles!
- You are allowed to pick: a) one player inside the Singles Top 20 and one player outside the Top 20 b) any two players outside the Singles Top 20 c) any one player.
- We will use the Top 20 criterium throughout the year. We will also use the same Rankings as listed below. This means that it is indeed possible for a member to play with two Top 20 players, if one of the players rises. Of course, it is also possible that a player falls out of the Top 20.
- It is not allowed to change players all the time. GWHh and CCC will discuss whether we will allow a period halfway through the season in which you can switch players. So please think carefully about who you want to play with!

The List of Players:

Top 20:

1. Roger Federer SUI (Fedex)
2. Andy Roddick USA (Silverwhite)
3. Lleyton Hewitt AUS (Crazy_Fool)
4. Marat Safin RUS (Silas)
5. Carlos Moyá ESP (jazz_girl)
6. Guillermo Coría ARG (fabolous)
7. Tim Henman GBR (Juan Carlos)
8. Andre Agassi USA (TomTennis)
9. David Nalbandían ARG (Rosie)
10. Gaston Gaudío ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
11. Guillermo Cañas ARG (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
12. Joachim Johansson SWE (björkfish)
13. Tommy Robredo ESP (Eruwen)
14. Dominik Hrbaty SVK (Richard Cranium)
15. Sébastien Grosjean FRA (tommy_girl)
16. Mikhail Youzhny RUS (novanora)
17. Tommy Haas GER (Aphex)
18. Nicolas Massu CHI (Peoples)
19. Vincent Spadea USA (jez)
20. Nicolas Kiefer GER (Esther)

Other Top 200 Players:

21 Ljubicic, Ivan CRO (RubberDucky)
22 Gonzalez, Fernando CHI (FryslanBoppe)
23 Pavel, Andrei ROM (Fedex)
24 Novak, Jiri CZE (FryslanBoppe)
25 Lopez, Feliciano ESP (Alma)
26 Chela, Juan Ignacio ARG (PerezRoldan)
27 Srichaphan, Paradorn THA (TomTennis)
28 Davydenko, Nikolay RUS (maratski)
29 Ancic, Mario CRO (Eruwen)
30 Johansson, Thomas SWE (björkfish)
31 Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP (Alma)
32 Dent, Taylor USA (Aphex)
33 Stepanek, Radek CZE (maratski)
34 Söderling, Robin SWE (novanora)
35 Mayer, Florian GER (Raquel)
36 Verdasco, Fernando ESP (Juan Carlos)
37 Fish, Mardy USA (buufje)
38 Horna, Luis PER (Supersonik)
39 Melzer, Jurgen AUT (Space Cowgirl)
40 Kuerten, Gustavo BRA (Esther)
41 Llodra, Michael FRA (WyveN)
42 Schüttler, Rainer GER (Buddy)
43 Volandri, Filippo ITA (joeb_uk)
44 Berdych, Tomas CZE (pj_girl)
45 Beck, Karol SVK
46 Mirnyi, Max BLR (Buddy)
47 Malisse, Xavier BEL (tommy_girl)
48 Ferrer, David ESP
49 Rusedski, Greg GBR (jez)
50 Andreev, Igor RUS (Peoples)
51 Nadal, Rafael ESP (Crazy_Fool)
52 Santoro, Fabrice FRA (rassklovn)
53 Saulnier, Cyril FRA
54 Zabaleta, Mariano ARG (GeorgeWHitler)
55 Verkerk, Martin NED (WyveN)
56 Costa, Albert ESP (Zetlandsk)
57 Schalken, Sjeng NED (buufje)
58 Callerí, Agustín ARG (Rosie)
59 Karlovic, Ivo CRO (RubberDucky)
60 Arazi, Hicham MOR (fabolous)
61 Ginepri, Robby USA
62 Koubek, Stefan AUT (Boludo)
63 Escudé, Nicolas FRA
64 Mello, Ricardo BRA
65 Labadze, Irakli GEO (YulBrynnerWasBald)
66 Benneteau, Julien FRA (Kezzi)
67 Lee, Hyung-Taik KOR
68 Acasuso, Jose ARG
69 Martín, Alberto ESP
70 Muller, Gilles LUX (Kiro)
71 Björkman, Jonas SWE
72 Rochus, Olivier BEL
73 Monaco, Juan ARG (jazz_girl)
74 Enqvist, Thomas SWE (Raquel)
75 Sanchez, David ESP
76 Sargsian, Sargis ARM (Space Cowgirl)
77 Starace, Potito ITA
78 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN (Nieminen)
79 Dupuis, Anthony FRA
80 Tursunov, Dmitryi RUS
81 Carlsen, Kenneth DEN
82 Calatrava, Alex ESP
83 Hernych, Jan CZE
84 Hernandez, Oscar ESP
85 Lu, Yen-Hsun TPE
86 Van Scheppingen, Dennis NED
87 Sluiter, Raemon NED
88 Ulihrach, Bohdan CZE
89 Hanescu, Victor ROM
90 Gambill, Jan-Michael USA
91 Morrison, Jeff USA
92 Popp, Alexander GER
93 Blake, James USA (Silas)
94 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER
95 Montañes, Albert ESP
96 Haehnel, Jérôme FRA
97 Sanguinetti, Davide ITA
98 Arthurs, Wayne AUS
99 Mantílla, Felíx ESP (joeb_uk)
100 Ventura, Santiago ESP (Richard Cranium)
101 Almagro, Nicolas ESP (Supersonik)
102 Kim, Kevin USA
103 Clément, Arnaud FRA (Gosjke)
104 Mutis, Olivier FRA
105 Philippoussis, Mark AUS
106 Gasquet, Richard FRA (Silverwhite)
107 Carraz, Grégory FRA
108 Rochus, Christophe BEL
109 Reid, Todd AUS
110 Burgsmüller, Lars GER
111 Corretja, Alex ESP (Zetlandsk)
112 Saretta, Flavio BRA (MerchantWanker)
113 Tabara, Michal CZE
114 Garcia, Adrian CHI
115 Vliegen, Kristof BEL
116 Elseneer, Gilles BEL
117 Patience, Olivier FRA
118 Tipsarevic, Janko SCG
119 Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA (loeliepoelie)
120 Heuberger, Ivo SUI
121 Kucera, Karol SVK (TennisLurker)
122 Bogomolov Jr., Alex USA
123 Falla, Alejandro COL
124 Vanek, Jiri CZE
125 Wessels, Peter NED
126 Ferreira, Wayne RSA - Retired
127 Garcia Lopez, Guillermo ESP (Kiro)
128 Mahut, Nicolas FRA
129 Lisnard, Jean-René FRA
130 Zib, Tomas CZE
131 Peya, Alexander AUT
132 Ramirez Hidalgo, Ruben ESP
133 Weiner, Glenn USA
134 Seppi, Andreas ITA (Vladimir Poutine)
135 Goldstein, Paul USA
136 Kendrick, Robert USA
137 Ascione, Thierry FRA (Gosjke)
138 Chiudinelli, Marco SUI
139 Moodie, Wesley RSA
140 Aldi, Francesco ITA
141 Squillari, Franco ARG (TennisLurker)
142 Okun, Noam ISR
143 Massa, Edgardo ARG
144 Martin, Todd USA - Retired
145 Luczak, Peter AUS
146 Lopez, Marc ESP
147 Salzenstein, Jeff USA
148 Di Mauro, Alessio ITA
149 Lapentti, Giovanni ECU
150 Karanusic, Roko CRO
151 Jeanpierre, Julien FRA
152 Phau, Björn GER
153 Vacek, Jan CZE
154 Bracciali, Daniele ITA
155 Elsner, Daniel GER
156 Behrend, Tomas GER
157 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA
158 Lapentti, Nicolas ECU (Vladimir Poutine)
159 Norman, Dick BEL
160 Hippensteel, KJ USA
161 Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI
162 Armando, Hugo USA
163 Gicquel, Marc FRA
164 Tenconi, Tomas ITA
165 Brzezicki, Juan Pablo ARG
166 Kratochvil, Michel SUI
167 Blanco, Galo ESP
168 Portas, Albert ESP
169 Simon, Gilles FRA
170 Ryderstedt, Michael SWE
171 Kunitsyn, Igor RUS
172 Voltchkov, Vladimir BLR
173 Gimeno-Traver, Daniel ESP
174 Baker, Brian USA
175 Minar, Ivo CZE
176 Sa, Andre BRA
177 Dancevic, Frank CAN (Domino)
178 Rosset, Marc SUI (Marc Rosset Is Tall)
179 Wang, Yeu-Tzuoo TPE
180 Kindlmann, Dieter GER
181 Summerer, Tobias GER
182 Guzman, Juan Pablo ARG
183 Azzaro, Leonardo ITA
184 Qureshi, Aisam-Ul-Haq PAK
185 Mertinak, Michal SVK
186 Faurel, Jean-Christophe FRA
187 Levy, Harel ISR
188 Djokovic, Novak SCG
189 Andersen, Jan-Frode NOR
190 Roger-Vasselin, Edouard FRA (loeliepoelie)
191 Sabau, Razvan ROM
192 Devilder, Nicolas FRA
193 Parmar, Arvind GBR
194 Bogdanovic, Alex GBR
195 Snobel, Pavel CZE
196 Schukin, Yuri RUS
197 Köllerer, Daniel AUT
198 Vico, Uros ITA
199 Luzzi, Federico ITA
200 Waske, Alexander GER

Taken Players Outside of the Top 200:

Zimonjic, Nenad SCG (CooCooCachoo)
Fyrstenberg, Mariusz POL (CooCooCachoo)
Golmard, Jérôme FRA (pj_girl)
Baghdatis, Marcos CYP (Domino)
El Aynaoui, Younes MOR (YulBrynnerWasBald)
Di Pasquale, Arnaud FRA (Boludo)
Vicente, Fernando ESP (MerchantWanker)
Vinciguerra, Andreas SWE (PerezRoldan)
Allegro, Yves SUI (Fondueischguät)
Monfils, Gael FRA (Fondueischguät)
Hemmes Jr., Fred NED (Kezzi)

CooCooCachoo
11-16-2004, 04:32 AM
More than likely that will be the case pj , but I need to discuss that with Coo first.

Once the surface points have been submitted, that's the number for the year, and these can be changed before the start of each tournament, but not during the actual tournament. That is what I am proposing at the moment anyway.

Any changes Coo and I will let everyone know.

- The surface points are chosen at the beginning of the season and cannot be changed for the entire season. It would be silly if everyone could change the surface points once the grass season is over, cause everyone would have 0 pts there. The same for the other surfaces.

- The set points can be changed at the start of each respective tournament, before the deadline that will be clearly stated in the tournament threads.

But basically that is what GWH said ;)

CooCooCachoo
11-16-2004, 04:34 AM
Oh dear, I've nearly missed the boat!
Can I have Jürgen Melzer and Sargis Sargsian please?

Better late than never :hug: Welcome :wazzup:

Action Jackson
11-16-2004, 04:41 AM
One thing Coo as I was looking at the various rules, there is one thing we didn't account for.

In the Slams where it's the best of 5 sets, it's advantage and how will that be decided once it gets to the 6-6 stage?

CooCooCachoo
11-16-2004, 05:01 AM
When it is a tie between two players, we will have to adjust the score table. For the US Open, we will use a tie-break of course.

CooCooCachoo
11-16-2004, 05:02 AM
Wokkel:

Janko Tipsarevic
Dudi Sela

Welcome ;)

CooCooCachoo
11-16-2004, 05:04 AM
Please note:

We have our own special forum for the game now, in which you will soon be able to find all threads needed! :) The 'Available & Taken Players' thread is already there, so take a look at it ;) Updates will be made there!

Action Jackson
11-16-2004, 05:05 AM
When it is a tie between two players, we will have to adjust the score table. For the US Open, we will use a tie-break of course.

Of course the US Open would have to be different. But I have to say these rules will be a lot easier to use than the old ways.

I will be using the Tournawiz again for the draws.

CooCooCachoo
11-16-2004, 05:26 AM
That will be fine :yeah: :)

I have been making part of the Davis Cup draw already :)

I am off now :wavey:

Action Jackson
11-16-2004, 05:33 AM
Ciao fellow organiser.

LiZpHaIr
11-16-2004, 05:41 AM
Can I be just Philippoussis?

Action Jackson
11-16-2004, 05:46 AM
Done Liz.

I will put you on the list at the other thread.

Nikki♥
11-16-2004, 07:04 AM
I´d like to join as Ruben (Ruben...Ruben...Ruben...this name sounds like music to me. :hearts:) Ramirez Hidalgo and as Tomas Zib. I hope they haven´t been taken yet. :fiery:

CooCooCachoo
11-16-2004, 11:01 AM
Welcome Princesa :)

SuperFurryAnimal
11-16-2004, 11:29 AM
CooCoo: can I join too? I'd like Ricardo Mello and Nicolas Escudé please? If that is still possible...

CooCooCachoo
11-16-2004, 11:43 AM
Welcome Super Furry Animal & Sol :D

CooCooCachoo
11-16-2004, 11:46 AM
S-T-E-V-E:

Lars Burgsmüller
Alexander Waske

CooCooCachoo
11-16-2004, 01:26 PM
The game now has its own forum in the Games section. It is fully operational, so you can find all useful information there :D

Nikki♥
11-16-2004, 01:33 PM
I have changed my mind...can I be Jan Hernych instead of Tomas Zib?! I will stick to Ruben Ramirez Hidalgo though. ;)

CooCooCachoo
11-16-2004, 01:49 PM
Yes it has been changed :)