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CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 02:33 PM
:confused: :eek: :p
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Nalbandian has been tauted as the 2nd best all court player [after Federer] for most of the last 5-years, ~however he has very little to show for it:eek:

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*8-titles [incl TMC 05]
*Top-10 player for over 4-years
*Excellent record at the Slams but not a single victory:eek:

Check out his Slam record:

Performance timeline
Tournament 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001
Australian Open 4r SF QF QF QF 2r - 0
French Open SF 4r SF 2r 3r - 0
Wimbledon 3r QF - 4r F - 0
U.S. Open 2r QF 2r SF 1r 3r 0
Tennis Masters Cup SF W - RR - - 1


>> So Fat Dave`s been in the SFs of all 4-Slams & atleast to the QF stage on 10-occassions:worship:
BUT ~~ nothing to show for it:p


Will he ever win a Slam:confused:
Will he even win any more MM titles:confused:
Has his 5-year window of opportunity passed him by:confused:
What was his best chance to win a Slam:confused:


BTW, fast forward to when Fat Dave is a grandpa & weighs 200kg [say the year 2047]
he`s telling his grandkids about his wonderful career & the conversation goes like this...

a) grandkids: "grandpa Fat Dave, tell us about your tennis career"?
b) Fat Dave: "I could hold my own, I was considered the 2nd best ballstriker of my generation"!
a) grandkids: "who was the greatest ballstriker of your generation"?
b) Fat Dave: "Roger `Jesus` Federer"!
a) grandkids: "oh my god, you actually met god`s son"?
b) Fat Dave: "yes we were close rivals in fact"!
a) grandkids: "did you ever beat Jesus FED"?
b) Fat Dave: "yes many times"!
a) grandkids: "oh cmon grandpa- you don`t have to lie"!
b) Fat Dave: "no i`m dead serious, in fact i won the 2005 TMC, defeating (an injured) Jesus"!
a) grandkids: "there`s no such tourney called TMC, you must be lying"!
b) Fat Dave: "sorry, it was renamed the WTF championships since 2009"!
a) grandkids: "who gives a fuck grandpa, all you did is win one lousy WTF"?
b) Fat Dave: "well the WTF championships were more prestigious back in the day"!
a) grandkids: "so did you ever win a slam"?
b) Fat Dave: "yes in fact I defeated Jesus FED in the final of the US Open"!
a) grandkids: "you`re lying, show us the trophy"!
b) Fat Dave: "here it is, the 1998 US Open winners trophy"!
a) grandkids: "grandpa, put on your glasses, this says 1998 US Open JUNIOR winner"!
b) Fat Dave: "oh year, but i did have a wonderful slam record"!
a) grandkids: "go on then, tell us what you did"!
b) Fat Dave: "I made the Wimbledon final".
a) grandkids: "what was the score".
b) Fat Dave: "oh i can`t remember, but Rocky Llegs began saying `CMON` & he looked scary".
a) grandkids: "what else"?
b) Fat Dave: "i made the AO, FO, & USO semi-finals"!
a) gandkids: "who gives a shit grandpa, semi-finals are for losers"!
b) Fat Dave: "oh you`re being a bit harsh kiddies, i won a few other things".
a) grandkids: "yeah like what"?
b) Fat Dave: "5 ATP titles"?
a) grandkids: "how many did Jesus FED win"?
b) Fat Dave: "100 or some shit, what the fuck do you care anyway...i tell you he was God`s son"!
a) grandkids: "and they called you `the 2nd best ballstriker of your generation`"?
b) Fat Dave: "what`s more I was a rally car driver & nearly won Davis Cup for Argentina"!
a) grandkids: "so why didn`t Argentina ever win the Davis Cup"?
b) Fat Dave: "because Coria, Gaudio, Canas & the other choking/drug cheating wankers stuffed up"!
a) grandkids: "can we just call you `Fat Underachiever Grandpa Dave`
b) Fat Dave: "piss off, no more prezzies @ Christmas time for you ungrateful punks ".

krakenzero
03-18-2007, 03:22 PM
how about Hewitt?? What did he achieve, according to expectations?

CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 03:44 PM
how about Hewitt?? What did he achieve, according to expectations?


:wavey: :rolleyes:
><...I`m not sure exactly what you mean by that krakenzero:confused:

>> This thread certainly doesn`t pertain to Hewitt;)
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Maybe your just trying to get the Propaganda Minister fire in the belly started again [that`s my ugly side:devil: ]
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Anyway Hewitt has atleast matched expectations>> probably exceeded most of the expectations fans & commentators had..
Of course the last few years Lleyton`s probably performed below his capabilities but in the big picture his fame & achievements are secure:angel:

#USO & Wimby champ!
#World No.1 [2001->2002] & youngest ever!
#Helped AUS to Davis Cups [1999 & 2003]
#TMC champ [2001 & 2002]
#26-titles [10-years straight 1998->2007], plus on all surfaces!
# $17-million in career prizemoney!


~~ If Nalbandian manages to achieve even a 1/3 of what Hewitt has then I`d reckon Fat Dave would be a very satisfied man indeed;)

adee-gee
03-18-2007, 04:37 PM
Is it fair to say CmonAussie has the most annoying thread titles and style of posting on MTF? :scratch:

CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 04:40 PM
Is it fair to say CmonAussie has the most annoying thread titles and style of posting on MTF? :scratch:

:rolleyes:
Good one:worship: ...#Very original/clever/constructive:p

Loremaster
03-18-2007, 04:42 PM
:wavey: :rolleyes:
><...I`m not sure exactly what you mean by that krakenzero:confused:

>> This thread certainly doesn`t pertain to Hewitt;)
...
Maybe your just trying to get the Propaganda Minister fire in the belly started again [that`s my ugly side:devil: ]
***
Anyway Hewitt has atleast matched expectations>> probably exceeded most of the expectations fans & commentators had..
Of course the last few years Lleyton`s probably performed below his capabilities but in the big picture his fame & achievements are secure:angel:

#USO & Wimby champ!
#World No.1 [2001->2002] & youngest ever!
#Helped AUS to Davis Cups [1999 & 2003]
#TMC champ [2001 & 2002]
#26-titles [10-years straight 1998->2007], plus on all surfaces!
# $17-million in career prizemoney!


~~ If Nalbandian manages to achieve even a 1/3 of what Hewitt has then I`d reckon Fat Dave would be a very satisfied man indeed;)

did Lleyton won on red clay ?? no so he hasn't got titles on every surface

Tzar
03-18-2007, 04:43 PM
Where do you found that my FAT DAVE has been tauted as the 2nd best all court player [after Federer] for most of the last 5-years?? HE WON A STEAK AND SOME CANDY!!.. :D

Tzar
03-18-2007, 04:47 PM
David won in Estoril (TWICE), Munich, Shangai, and other i cant remember

CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 04:48 PM
Where do you found that my FAT DAVE has been tauted as the 2nd best all court player [after Federer] for most of the last 5-years?? HE WON A STEAK AND SOME CANDY!!.. :D

:wavey:
Good to see one fan`s got a good sense of humour:worship: :worship:
>>
A lot of people around here get very angry & defensive when anybody dares criticise their favourites:eek:

Good job mate:cool: ~ for bucking the trend!!

Norrage
03-18-2007, 04:48 PM
wtf is up with you disgusting people turning every topic CmonAussie makes into a Lleyton-bash topic?

It's about Nalby, and I am 100% sure Nalby is the biggest underachiever ever. 5 tourneys is just rediculous for a player of his caliber...And the big chances he missed on GS's are just as rediculous. He should have beaten Roddick straight sets USO 2003, he should have beate4n Baggy easely in 2005 and even his RG campaign last year should at least have been rewarded a final..

Sure he is a good allcourter, but maybe that's his weakness...He isnt superior at any surface and thus reaches constant semi-finals but nothing more...

CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 04:51 PM
did Lleyton won on red clay ?? no so he hasn't got titles on every surface


:wavey:
The ATP tour & ITF don`t distinguish between Red Clay & Green Clay;)

>>> Hewitt won Delray Beach in 1999~ at that time it was played on Green Clay:D
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So YES~>> Hewitt has won on all surfaces, including clay:devil:

All_Slam_Andre
03-18-2007, 04:52 PM
David Nalbandian is the best player on the current ATP tour not to have won a grand slam. Look at his record, 1 final, 4 semi-finals and 5 quarter-finals. I doubt there have been too many non grand slam winners in the open era with a better record than that. Plus he has won the Masters Cup which is the 5th biggest tournament in tennis. He is one of the few players who are solid from both flanks. He has a very good forehand, one of the top 3 or 4 backhands on the tour and good volleying skills. Admittedly his serving is pretty poor.

All_Slam_Andre
03-18-2007, 04:53 PM
I have to admit that I find CmonAussie's threads great :). Keep up the good work.

A_Skywalker
03-18-2007, 04:53 PM
Yes , he is underachiever for me. Just cause he has a lot of talent and didnt put it into winning a GS.

CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 04:54 PM
wtf is up with you disgusting people turning every topic CmonAussie makes into a Lleyton-bash topic?

It's about Nalby, and I am 100% sure Nalby is the biggest underachiever ever. 5 tourneys is just rediculous for a player of his caliber...And the big chances he missed on GS's are just as rediculous. He should have beaten Roddick straight sets USO 2003, he should have beate4n Baggy easely in 2005 and even his RG campaign last year should at least have been rewarded a final..

Sure he is a good allcourter, but maybe that's his weakness...He isnt superior at any surface and thus reaches constant semi-finals but nothing more...


:wavey:
Thanks Norrage mate:cool:
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I was losing my confidence since I did feel somewhat bullied on MTF:sad:
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Happy to see someone`s prepared to defend me:D

Norrage
03-18-2007, 04:58 PM
;:wavey:
Thanks Norrage mate:cool:
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I was losing my confidence since I did feel somewhat bullied on MTF:sad:
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Happy to see someone`s prepared to defend me:D

I will protect you if something like this happens again! :smooch:

Cause you are making good topics after good topics all the time and I enjoy them alot. While they tend to be about Lleyton a bit more than about other players still they should be considered interesting topics..It's not like you are asking people to say how much they like Lleyton in every topic...

Let's pray Lleyton will achieve something in Miami

CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 04:59 PM
I have to admit that I find CmonAussie's threads great :). Keep up the good work.

:D
Wow~ my time on MTF just became a whole lot more enjoyable:cool:
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Generally I try to be constructive & contrary to the rumours that GW has spread:eek: ~~>I`m not a fanboy, though i do have a few favourites [isn`t that normal?]..

Anyway there are a lot of interesting characters & Nalbandian`s case intrigues me>> sometimes I feel sorry for him, but he does seem to lack a professional attitude required to become a Slam Champion [eg.Wimby last year he was more interested in watching Argentina`s football game than his own match>> which he lost]:eek:

jazar
03-18-2007, 05:01 PM
he has the talent, but alas not the results one would expect from it. but now he has the appetite. unfortunately its an appetite for fast food and not tennis

CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 05:09 PM
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I will protect you if something like this happens again! :smooch:

Cause you are making good topics after good topics all the time and I enjoy them alot. While they tend to be about Lleyton a bit more than about other players still they should be considered interesting topics..It's not like you are asking people to say how much they like Lleyton in every topic...

Let's pray Lleyton will achieve something in Miami


:wavey:
Oops I`ll get in trouble for talking about Hewitt again:D

>> Seriously though~~ for Lleyton it`s got a lot to do with confidence, when he flatens out his forehand [panther like pounce] you know he`s feeling good!!.. In Miami he needs to find a way to win his first couple of matches>> when he gets some momentum he seems to be able to recapture his best form quite quickly [eg.last year at FO, Queens, Wimby...he was very close [& got some momentum] but after that he got another injury]..

BlackSilver
03-18-2007, 05:09 PM
No

ExcaliburII
03-18-2007, 05:09 PM
I think the time he was nearer to be a GS champion was at UsOpen.
He lost at semis against Roddick waasting a match point in the third set. (Then got injured).
If he had won that match he would have faced Ferrero at final (easy match for hard court).

CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 05:14 PM
I think the time he was nearer to be a GS champion was at UsOpen.He lost at semis against Roddick waasting a match point in the third set. (Then got injured).
If he had won that match he would have faced Ferrero at final (easy match for hard court).


:wavey:
What about FO 04 [lost to Gaudio in the SFs... Gaston didn`t have many credentials at the time & we saw what a choker Coria proved to be]??!!!
What about AO 06 [lost to Baggy in SFs after leading 2-sets]???!!!
What about FO 06 [lost to Fed after leading a set & a break... fatness prevented him from completing the match]!!

BlackSilver
03-18-2007, 05:16 PM
he would have faced Ferrero at final (easy match for hard court).

Ahahaha, thanks for the laugh

Norrage
03-18-2007, 05:18 PM
:wavey:
What about FO 04 [lost to Gaudio in the SFs... Gaston didn`t have many credentials at the time & we saw what a choker Coria proved to be]??!!!
What about AO 06 [lost to Baggy in SFs after leading 2-sets]???!!!
What about FO 06 [lost to Fed after leading a set & a break... fatness prevented him from completing the match]!!

He should at least have won a set against Gaston, but he blew a 5-0 lead... :confused:
Actually all his semi-finals he should have won (or at least have done million times better)...
Only his Wimby final vs Lleyton was undisputed. Lleyton was the one and only Wimby winner that year.

CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 05:19 PM
Ahahaha, thanks for the laugh

:wavey:
Ferrero won Madrid a month after 03 USO...but since then he`s failed to win another title [even MM] anywhere anytime:eek:

>>> So yes>>> Nalbandian would have had a good chance in that USO final;)

Norrage
03-18-2007, 05:21 PM
Nalbandian surely would have had a big chance against Ferrero in that final. Sure, Ferrero was in great form..but Roddick was in BLISTERING form and was tons better than he is now IMO...The aggression and power back then...I don't see it anymore...
If Nalby had succeeded in beating Roddick he probably would have beaten Ferrero...but considering how choky Nalby is in finals....

Tzar
03-18-2007, 05:27 PM
I think that hims GS will happen in 08!, nalbandian, like federer, is just 25! so he have.. 10 more years maximum? 7 minimum? it will happen! David will winn a GS!.. Are you agree or not?

ExcaliburII
03-18-2007, 05:29 PM
In FO against Gaudio he hada a good chance, but he had no chance against Coria in the final. Same with AO 06, same with FO 06.

I think Nalbandian will no play much more time he will probably retire at age of 28-29.

Norrage
03-18-2007, 05:30 PM
I think that hims GS will happen in 08!, nalbandian, like federer, is just 25! so he have.. 10 more years maximum? 7 minimum? it will happen! David will winn a GS!.. Are you agree or not?

I am sure somewhere he will get another chance...but he has missed so many already..He certainly has to work harder than he is doing now.

Tzar
03-18-2007, 05:30 PM
:wavey:
Good to see one fan`s got a good sense of humour:worship: :worship:
>>
A lot of people around here get very angry & defensive when anybody dares criticise their favourites:eek:

Good job mate:cool: ~ for bucking the trend!!

Its ok ;) I Enjoy talking bad about LJUBICIC AND DAVYDENKO! :devil: :p

Sjengster
03-18-2007, 05:30 PM
It would have been an interesting match, decided largely from the baseline, and we saw a couple of months later how Nalbandian destroyed Ferrero at the TMC on an outdoor hardcourt. That was probably his best chance, last year's AO being the second best (granted he would have been playing Federer in the final had he beaten Baghdatis, but the combination of the recent Shanghai victory and Federer's shaky form throughout that whole AO would have given him a lot of confidence going into the match).

I wouldn't consider either SF defeat at RG that much of a wasted opportunity when he would have been facing two very dominant clay-court players in the final, Coria and Nadal (his relative weaknesses on clay were shown up by Gaudio in the semis, it would surely have been an even worse story against Coria). And when you look at Nalbandian's strengths and weaknesses, Nadal on clay has to be an absolutely horrible match-up for him.

All_Slam_Andre
03-18-2007, 05:31 PM
While I do agree that Nalbandian did choke against Roddick in that US Open semi in 2003, to be fair to him the match point that he had in the third set tie break was on Roddick's serve. Roddick then fired an unstoppable serve at over 130mph to save the match point with an ace. There wasn't much that Nalbandian could have done about that.

CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 05:31 PM
I think that hims GS will happen in 08!, nalbandian, like federer, is just 25! so he have.. 10 more years maximum? 7 minimum? it will happen! David will winn a GS!.. Are you agree or not?


:wavey:
I would say that Nalbandian has fitness issues & if he doesn`t address those problems then he only has a few years left..

It`s very rare for a tennis player to win their 1st Slam in their late 20s...

Even though Nalbandian`s 25yrs>> we can`t compare him to Federer [achievment wise & professionalism wise], & 25 isn`t considered young anymore...

If Nalby wins a Slam this year or next year then he`ll prove me wrong [& good luck to him]...but i feel his window of opportunity is closing:sad:

ExcaliburII
03-18-2007, 05:33 PM
Nalbandian surely would have had a big chance against Ferrero in that final. Sure, Ferrero was in great form..but Roddick was in BLISTERING form and was tons better than he is now IMO...The aggression and power back then...I don't see it anymore...
If Nalby had succeeded in beating Roddick he probably would have beaten Ferrero...but considering how choky Nalby is in finals....

Nalbandian is a bad semifinals player, not a bad finals player.

Sjengster
03-18-2007, 05:33 PM
While I do agree that Nalbandian did choke against Roddick in that US Open semi in 2003, to be fair to him the match point that he had in the third set tie break was on Roddick's serve. Roddick then fired an unstoppable serve at over 130mph to save the match point with an ace. There wasn't much that Nalbandian could have done about that.

He could have done something about that routine forehand he dumped into the net when leading 4-2 in the tiebreak earlier on, though. ;)

Sjengster
03-18-2007, 05:34 PM
Nalbandian is a bad semifinals player, not a bad finals player.

1-6 in semi-finals last year, I believe - and of course that sole victory was against the mighty Dropshot Dragon in Estoril.

Of those 6 losses, 3 were close encounters and that included both defeats in the Slams where he fell apart physically in the end. But then he got comprehensively squashed in the other 3 (Miami, Madrid, TMC).

Norrage
03-18-2007, 05:37 PM
Nalbandian is a bad semifinals player, not a bad finals player.

uuh...how many TMS finals has he lost? Too many really...And lopsided too...
But his Semifinal results aren't to write home about either...Nalby is just too allround I am afraid to win tourneys or get really deep into them...

And Sjengster...I do see those two lost semifinals at RG as a missed opportunity. Surely he would have lost the finals that followed, but GS finals are awesome achievements :) And they would have given him that much extra confidence that might have made the difference later on.

Tzar
03-18-2007, 05:38 PM
Im pissed off right now!, not with you, WITH DAVID!!!!!! for all those chances he let go!

ExcaliburII
03-18-2007, 05:39 PM
SOmeone got the ROddick-Nalbandian Tiebreak in the third set in a video?

Sjengster
03-18-2007, 05:40 PM
uuh...how many TMS finals has he lost? Too many really...And lopsided too...
But his Semifinal results aren't to write home about either...Nalby is just too allround I am afraid...

And Sjengster...I do see those two lost semifinals at RG as a missed opportunity. Surely he would have lost the finals that followed, but GS finals are awesome achievements :) And they would have given him that much extra confidence that might have made the difference later on.

Actually, about the record in finals - I've mentioned this somewhere before, but those three consecutive sets he won against Federer in the Shanghai final from two sets down were the first he'd ever won in a Grand Slam/TMS/TMC final. I think he was 0-13 in sets after losing the second set tiebreak 13-11, so it wasn't a bad effort to come back from that disappointment.

He would certainly have done better in those RG finals even on his weakest surface than he managed to do against Hewitt at Wimbledon. Starting the match off with a double fault there really set the tone.

MariaV
03-18-2007, 05:49 PM
Is it fair to say CmonAussie has the most annoying thread titles and style of posting on MTF? :scratch:

No

CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 05:51 PM
No

:wavey:
Cheers:D

CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 05:53 PM
Actually, about the record in finals - I've mentioned this somewhere before, but those three consecutive sets he won against Federer in the Shanghai final from two sets down were the first he'd ever won in a Grand Slam/TMS/TMC final. I think he was 0-13 in sets after losing the second set tiebreak 13-11, so it wasn't a bad effort to come back from that disappointment.

He would certainly have done better in those RG finals even on his weakest surface than he managed to do against Hewitt at Wimbledon. Starting the match off with a double fault there really set the tone.


:wavey:
I think this interesting statistic that you`ve noted regarding Nalby`s poor performances in big finals does suggest to a large extent that he doesn`t play up to his capabilities when the prize is in sight [choker]:eek: :mad: :confused:

All_Slam_Andre
03-18-2007, 05:57 PM
I wish Nalbandian could play more often as well as he did in the first set against Federer in the French Open semi last year. That was the best set of the whole tournament.

Sjengster
03-18-2007, 05:57 PM
Partly yes, but it also tells you how much energy he's expended getting through to these latter rounds, often by getting involved in battles that he could have finished off much quicker with more of a killer temperament and crucially, a killer serve. The first ever Wimbledon final is a great example. In the quarters he leads Lapentti by two sets to love and a double break and ends up winning 6-4 in the fifth (but then that's Lapentti for you); in the semis he leads Malisse by two sets to love and then ends up getting through courtesy of his opponent failing to win another game after going up a break in the fifth set (but then that's Malisse for you).

BlackSilver
03-18-2007, 06:24 PM
Ferrero won Madrid a month after 03 USO...but since then he`s failed to win another title [even MM] anywhere anytime
Thanks for the news.

>>> So yes>>> Nalbandian would have had a good chance in that USO final

Good chance? Maybe, I would say less than 50% of chance, but yes, he would have had a reasonably good chance



Nalbandian surely would have had a big chance against Ferrero in that final.
Blargh

and was tons better than he is now IMO.
Thanks for exaggerating. Yes, he was a superior player than is now, no doubts, but there is no need to make him look like a god just for making Nalbandian look better.

The aggression and power back then...I don't see it anymore...
And that has everything to do with Ferrero and with a hypothetical match between Nalbandian and Ferrero, right?

If Nalby had succeeded in beating Roddick he probably would have beaten Ferrero.
Based in what?


In FO against Gaudio he hada a good chance
Everyone has a good chance against Gaudio, he can always choke and give the match away


It would have been an interesting match, decided largely from the baseline, and we saw a couple of months later how Nalbandian destroyed Ferrero at the TMC on an outdoor hardcourt.
When Ferrero already was crap :)

Rogiman
03-18-2007, 06:36 PM
Definitely the biggest underachiever of the new millenium.

Amazing shots, amazing feel for the game and intelligence on court, a game adaptable to all surfaces.

He should have won 2 Slams already (you pick the surface), but in reality has won very little relatively.

His fans like to bring up that 2005 TMC title, but that was the most miserable TMC in recent memory, and he should have won much bigger titles already.

njnetswill
03-18-2007, 06:38 PM
I would say Safin.

But if we are just looking at total titles, then yes Nalbandian is a contender too.

casabe
03-18-2007, 07:04 PM
When Ferrero already was crap :)


Yeah and the AO semifinal after that?

CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 07:10 PM
I would say Safin.

But if we are just looking at total titles, then yes Nalbandian is a contender too.


:wavey:
Seriously I think Safin has done pretty well:cool:

*2-Slams [incl wins over Sampras & Federer]
*2-Davis Cups [key role in 2002 & 2006 wins]
*5-TMS
*Briefly rose to #1 ranking
*15-titles
*An endless stream of hot women by his side [& don`t tell me they just talked about tennis]:devil:


>>>
Sure Safin`s not as professional as Federer but I don`t think Marat wanted to be~~ so he`s probably fairly satisfied;) .. One more Slam win [FO!!!] would be the cherry on top for his career:cool:

Tzar
03-18-2007, 08:22 PM
UNDERACHIEVER OR NOT!.. I love david! lol :yeah:

Mateya
03-18-2007, 09:10 PM
Are you :retard: or what?

He could win 5 GS, but Fed takes it all...He is just not always at his best when comes to the big stage.
I agree that he should win a couple more titles, though :yeah:

ExcaliburII
03-18-2007, 09:20 PM
How many times did Nalbandian came from a 2-0 down in sets?

Rogiman
03-18-2007, 09:24 PM
How many times did Nalbandian came from a 2-0 down in sets?What does that have to do with him being an underachiever?

Most of these matches were against players he should beat in straight sets in 90 minutes anyway.

He's an underachiever, no doubt about that, this is not an insult but a compliment from people who appreciate his game and talent and think he should have won more.

Sjengster
03-18-2007, 09:28 PM
Yes, being down two sets to love against Berrer and Tipsarevic in the first place does not speak highly of him. It's ironic that he'd never made such a comeback before Wimbledon 05 against Murray, now he can't stop doing it in the Slams. But those kind of narrow victories can't always be replicated, and they're no way to try and win a major. In fact since the hardcourt season last year, I don't think he's won back-to-back matches in straight sets, he's had battles all the way and been fortunate both to make the TMC and then somehow to make the semis despite being bottom in his group going into the final day of RR matches.

ExcaliburII
03-18-2007, 09:32 PM
does someone have the statistic of 0-2 in sets?

Sjengster
03-18-2007, 09:34 PM
I believe he's won from two sets down against Murray at Wimbledon, Federer at the TMC, Tursunov at RG, Berrer at the US Open, and Tipsarevic and Grosjean at this year's AO.

ExcaliburII
03-18-2007, 09:38 PM
Last time Nalbandian won back to back matches in straight sets was at WImbledon 2006.

Burrow
03-18-2007, 10:30 PM
Is it fair to say CmonAussie has the most annoying thread titles and style of posting on MTF? :scratch:

no its refreshing and better than the boring old ordinary crap.
He is an under achiever, not sure about the biggest under achiever past 2000

Burrow
03-18-2007, 10:34 PM
:wavey:
Seriously I think Safin has done pretty well:cool:

*2-Slams [incl wins over Sampras & Federer]
*2-Davis Cups [key role in 2002 & 2006 wins]
*5-TMS
*Briefly rose to #1 ranking
*15-titles
*An endless stream of hot women by his side [& don`t tell me they just talked about tennis]:devil:


>>>
Sure Safin`s not as professional as Federer but I don`t think Marat wanted to be~~ so he`s probably fairly satisfied;) .. One more Slam win [FO!!!] would be the cherry on top for his career:cool:

Considering the guys amount of talent, Safin is the biggest under achiever.

Norrage
03-18-2007, 10:50 PM
Thanks for the news.




Blargh
You think he wouldn't have? The player beating the hottest player on tour surely would have had more than a good chance beating that other hot guy on tour that Roddick in the end blew of the court in the final.


Thanks for exaggerating. Yes, he was a superior player than is now, no doubts, but there is no need to make him look like a god just for making Nalbandian look better.
Nothing in my mind even remotely tried to make Nalbandian look better. Roddick seemed unbeatable that tourney and only in the first 2 sets vs Nalby did he look a bit beatable. Everybody else in the tourney he just whiped the floor with. Every player has a small lapse every tourney. Look at the Hewitt vs Schalken match the year before.


And that has everything to do with Ferrero and with a hypothetical match between Nalbandian and Ferrero, right?
Not really...But I mentioned it cause I just dont understand Roddick lately.


Based in what?
Read what I said above...Ferrero was in good form but Nalby prolly was in better cause he would ahve beaten the undisputed #1 at that time.



Everyone has a good chance against Gaudio, he can always choke and give the match away
Nalby had a 5-0 lead which he gave away like a little baby and after that lost 13!!!! straight games, which was the reason I mentioned Nalby had his chances in that match even despite Gaudio's ability to choke.


I feel a bit offended by your post, cause you didnt seem to catch my drift at any point.

windy city
08-31-2007, 07:44 PM
Mark Philippoussis or Marat Safin?

Safin's forehand return on match point against Wawrinka should be the highlight he has to live with for the rest of his career. What a freaking joke. How hard can it be when you have every shot in the game, to give an honest effort.

But the guy won two Grand Salamis and Mark Philipoopoo never won a thing.

scarecrows
08-31-2007, 07:46 PM
good thread

stebs
08-31-2007, 07:48 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

LocoPorElTenis
08-31-2007, 07:48 PM
:rolls:

CyBorg
08-31-2007, 07:55 PM
How about Vijay Amritraj? Hands of silk. Didn't win a decent title in his life.

bluefork
08-31-2007, 07:56 PM
It's way too early to call Gasquet the greatest underachiever of all time (although he's on the right track). Safin won two Grand Slam titles, so it's not like he didn't achieve anything. And Philippoussis an underachiever? He appeared on "Age of Love"! Doesn't that count for something? :rolleyes:

Seriously though, I'd say Marcello Rios is a very good contender for greatest underacheiver.

GonzoFed
08-31-2007, 07:57 PM
Great poll options.

sierra91
08-31-2007, 08:01 PM
Mark Philippoussis or Marat Safin?

Safin's forehand return on match point against Wawrinka should be the highlight he has to live with for the rest of his career. What a freaking joke. How hard can it be when you have every shot in the game, to give an honest effort.

But the guy won two Grand Salamis and Mark Philipoopoo never won a thing.

Great idea but given your, list shouldn't this poll be for the last 10 years rather than ALL TIME?

Byrd
08-31-2007, 08:06 PM
Isner

scarecrows
08-31-2007, 08:07 PM
Puerta or Isner

my0118
08-31-2007, 08:08 PM
Graf

CmonAussie
08-31-2007, 08:16 PM
***********
~~~~
1. `Fat` Dave Nalbandian [5 career titles, 4x MMs]
2. Guille `choker` Coria [9 career titles, choked away FO 04]
3. Mark `Scud Dud` Philippoussis [11 career titles, TV playboy wannabe]
4. Tommy `arse clown` Haas [11 career titles, zero slam finals]
5. Vijay Amritraj [defeated Borg, McEnroe, Connors at their peaks but never won anything important]
6. Gael Monfils [3/4 junior Slams, but hasn`t done squat on pro tour]
7. Pat Cash [87 Wimbledon win was fantastic, but he had the talent to win several slams><]
8. Marcelo Rios [18 career titles, choked 98 AO final away to Korda]
9. Nicolas Kiefer [lost his last 9 atp finals]
10. Fernando Gonzalez [07 AO showed his potential but too much of a headcase]

ReturnWinner
08-31-2007, 08:17 PM
Isaac Newton

r2473
08-31-2007, 08:21 PM
Jaques Cousteau was a great "under" acheiver.

Mel Gibson a famous "down-under" achiever.

MariaV
08-31-2007, 08:21 PM
good thread

Of course it's a good thread, I can vote for Safin and he can win the poll again (so GWH & Co can whine). :D :banana: :wavey:

RagingLamb
08-31-2007, 08:23 PM
Hewitt and Safin of the active players equally deserve this title

CmonAussie
08-31-2007, 08:31 PM
Hewitt and Safin of the active players equally deserve this title


What did you expect Hewitt to do:confused:
Hewitt`s had a good career, but if Federer hadn`t come along he would have won a few more slams:sad:

Puschkin
08-31-2007, 08:44 PM
Whoever has won a GS title is not an underachiever.

RagingLamb
08-31-2007, 09:07 PM
What did you expect Hewitt to do:confused:
Hewitt`s had a good career, but if Federer hadn`t come along he would have won a few more slams:sad:

The way I feel, Hewitt had potential for much more. He had a solid game, and could beat anyone.

I don't agree with the Federer coming along thing. Federer didn't appear from a cloud in heaven and start playing like god (in fact he doesn't). Federer started slow but continued to improve whereas Hewitt didn't.

Hewitt won 2 majors but he was capable of much more. This to me puts him above those who didn't achieve much, but didn't have a lot in them to begin with.

I'm sorry, I know you like him a lot. That's just how I feel.

DhammaTiger
08-31-2007, 09:12 PM
write-in

LocoPorElTenis
08-31-2007, 09:13 PM
Why are you guys responding seriously to the OP?
:rolls: :lol: :rolls:

r2473
08-31-2007, 09:14 PM
Federer didn't appear from a cloud in heaven and start playing like god (in fact he doesn't).

I disagree.

sykotique
08-31-2007, 10:07 PM
Xristos. So much talent in one body, yet so little to show for it. It's not fair.

richie21
08-31-2007, 10:22 PM
Gasquet is quickly becoming one of if not the GUOAT.
A guy who has such a backhand,who is able to beat Federer at 18 and to push Nadal so close in his favourite surface should be able to do much much better than what he has done so far.

NYCtennisfan
08-31-2007, 10:29 PM
Hewitt and Safin of the active players equally deserve this title

Hewitt's done more with his talent than just about anyone in the history of this sport. Two slams, two runner-ups, year end #1 twice are great accomplishments for someone who is not that tall, and doesn't have a tremendous BH or FH.

Johnny Groove
08-31-2007, 10:37 PM
Where the FUCK is Nalbandian? :o

This poll is a joke sans him

World Beater
08-31-2007, 10:45 PM
out of recent players, coria would definately be up there because he just started having confidence, technique problems out of nowhere. Never predicted that his career would basically end after having such outstanding results on clay.

World Beater
08-31-2007, 10:49 PM
Where the FUCK is Nalbandian? :o

This poll is a joke sans him

no.

nalbandian didnt work as hard as his talent demanded, but his game required he be very precise in his play from the baseline. Even at his best, he had days where he was absolute shi# and his much touted bh failed him.

he is stil around and has enough game to get back into the top-10 but was never going to win multiple grand slams.

Allure
09-01-2007, 12:20 AM
Federer. Only 11 slams? Ridiculous. :mad: :rolleyes:

leng jai
09-01-2007, 12:49 AM
Thread of the day. Also great posts by Raginglamb and riche21..

DeuX.cl
09-01-2007, 02:12 AM
could i put jesus on the list? :D

Andi-M
09-01-2007, 02:14 AM
:rolls:

Just another thread started to have a dig at Safin :p

rocketassist
09-01-2007, 02:21 AM
Hernandez. The King should be winning slams.

leng jai
09-01-2007, 03:55 AM
Hernandez. The King should be winning slams.

The king can't be bothered achieving anything.

BAMJ6
09-01-2007, 04:13 AM
Safin is like the old Agassi talented and brash. He won more than 1 slam like the 86-96 Agassi especially the first one in the most unlikely slam for said player. However, it does feel like he's wasted his opportunities. Too bad he has neither the focus nor the talent that Agassi had to rededicate himself and be the best from 98-his retirement. Too bad

Merton
09-01-2007, 04:15 AM
Borg.

Kolya
09-01-2007, 04:18 AM
Federer.

ChrisDoesDallas
09-01-2007, 05:12 AM
Elena Dementieva. :silly:

El Legenda
09-01-2007, 05:16 AM
Bye

Action Jackson
09-01-2007, 06:32 AM
Laver and Lucky Loser

Kuhne
09-01-2007, 07:45 AM
Echagarai ...........:haha:

Fedex
09-01-2007, 08:03 AM
How can Gasquet be an underachiever when he has never shown the ability to win events or do well in the slams? I guess when the media hypes him up to be something he's not, some fanboys are going to call him the greatest underachiever.
Nalbandian and Rios stand out for me in recent times.

MariaV
09-01-2007, 08:05 AM
Federer. Only 11 slams? Ridiculous. :mad: :rolleyes:

Don't worry, the 12th is his already and many more will follow. :D

gjalex
09-01-2007, 08:46 AM
I wouldn't call Phillipousis and underachiever, 2 grand slam finals and a dating show is not a bad result for a player as inconsistent as him. As for Safin, hes just a mug but he still has 2 grand slam titles, with his talent he should have maybe 4 or 5 though. I do feel that sometimes people overestimate his talent though, I have heard people say he has more natural talent than Federer, I don't believe that.

gjalex
09-01-2007, 08:55 AM
Hewitt and Safin of the active players equally deserve this title

I think the opposite, Hewitt is a worker and very determined thats what has allowed him to win 26 titles, he doesn't have a great serve or a lot of power, hes not even the best runner. He has really maximized the use of his ability.

shaggy
09-01-2007, 09:01 AM
pioline

Exodus
09-01-2007, 09:10 AM
safin is done

leng jai
09-01-2007, 12:45 PM
Hewitt an underachiever? Thats a new one.

Jimnik
09-01-2007, 12:53 PM
Me

Safin_Lova
09-04-2007, 07:02 AM
Why isnt Nalbandian in this poll??
Nalbandian is the biggest underacheiver too much talent yet no major titles.

Turquoise
09-04-2007, 07:56 AM
To label Safin the greatest underachiever of all time is erroneous. What he HAS achieved > the under-optimization of his talent.

Bibberz
09-04-2007, 08:29 AM
Underachiever?! Vijay was in Octopussy, lest we forget. Bond vs. Age of Love? It's not even close. Vijay's a celluloid hero.

How about Vijay Amritraj? Hands of silk. Didn't win a decent title in his life.

Gonzo Hates Me!
09-04-2007, 08:53 AM
***********
~~~~
1. `Fat` Dave Nalbandian [5 career titles, 4x MMs]
2. Guille `choker` Coria [9 career titles, choked away FO 04]
3. Mark `Scud Dud` Philippoussis [11 career titles, TV playboy wannabe]
4. Tommy `arse clown` Haas [11 career titles, zero slam finals]
5. Vijay Amritraj [defeated Borg, McEnroe, Connors at their peaks but never won anything important]
6. Gael Monfils [3/4 junior Slams, but hasn`t done squat on pro tour]
7. Pat Cash [87 Wimbledon win was fantastic, but he had the talent to win several slams><]
8. Marcelo Rios [18 career titles, choked 98 AO final away to Korda]
9. Nicolas Kiefer [lost his last 9 atp finals]
10. Fernando Gonzalez [07 AO showed his potential but too much of a headcase]

I like a lot this list, but I feel like some people, like Fena, Kiefer, Haas even have not done enough in their career to be considered as people who monumentally let us down. Maybe Tommy, but I don't think Tommy is anywhere on the same level as Rios. Rios was no. 1 in the world. But I realize you say Tommy should have been in a final by now. I agree, but he is always coming back from the brink of death it seems. LOL. I don't know. I just think some people are not meant to be slam winners or finalists even. Davydenko wins a lot of tournaments but if he doesn't win a slam or get to a final, he's an underachiever? 'Cause I don't see him ever winning a Slam. Maybe he will get to a final, but I think some people are meant to win a lot of tourneys, but never be better than being a person who won a lot of tournaments.

6. Monfils has done didly squat, hahaha. Next year!

Philipoussis, I think he was talented to get to two Slam finals, but I never know why people expected so much from him. I just think he is with Guga, Magnus Norman you know, where injury prevented what ALL we could see from them.

and Coria, :sad:, RIP, lol. That boy has got to suffer from depression i think.

CmonAussie
09-04-2007, 09:05 AM
I like a lot this list, but I feel like some people, like Fena, Kiefer, Haas even have not done enough in their career to be considered as people who monumentally let us down. Maybe Tommy, but I don't think Tommy is anywhere on the same level as Rios. Rios was no. 1 in the world. But I realize you say Tommy should have been in a final by now. I agree, but he is always coming back from the brink of death it seems. LOL. I don't know. I just think some people are not meant to be slam winners or finalists even. Davydenko wins a lot of tournaments but if he doesn't win a slam or get to a final, he's an underachiever? 'Cause I don't see him ever winning a Slam. Maybe he will get to a final, but I think some people are meant to win a lot of tourneys, but never be better than being a person who won a lot of tournaments.

6. Monfils has done didly squat, hahaha. Next year!

Philipoussis, I think he was talented to get to two Slam finals, but I never know why people expected so much from him. I just think he is with Guga, Magnus Norman you know, where injury prevented what ALL we could see from them.

and Coria, :sad:, RIP, lol. That boy has got to suffer from depression i think.


:wavey:
Cheers:cool:
...
Thanks for reminding me of Magnus Norman:sad: :sad: ,do injuries cover up being an underachiever:confused:

Also I`m thinking about James Blake~~ he`s got serious talent but never gone behond QFs at a Slam [& only that @ USO], plus he`s never won a TMS:sad:
Yesterday`s loss really saddened me, because I was sure that Blake was atleast going to make a SF this time:sad: ~~Ironic that fellow underachiever Haas should top Blake in the final breaker:devil:


Miloslav Mecir, Todd Martin & Wayne Ferreira are a few other names that come to mind for honorable mentions in terms of their underachieving;)

Kolya
09-04-2007, 09:11 AM
Mecir is a good choice.

silverwhite
09-04-2007, 09:22 AM
How about Vijay Amritraj? Hands of silk. Didn't win a decent title in his life.

:spit:

Action Jackson
09-04-2007, 10:03 AM
My answer is still Federer.

Rgask
09-04-2007, 02:39 PM
lool...

Gonzo Hates Me!
09-04-2007, 11:58 PM
another nostalgic thread. I miss Pioline and Ferreira

stebs
09-05-2007, 12:04 AM
Mecir, Rios, Nalbandian.

NyGeL
09-05-2007, 12:15 AM
Nalbandian and Rios.

cloudeleven
09-05-2007, 12:27 AM
Steffi Graf, of course.

stebs
09-05-2007, 12:33 AM
Steffi Graf, of course.

Yeah, what did she ever actually acheive?

tennisfan856
09-05-2007, 01:15 AM
hicham arazi. the lefty always had explosive strokes and I really enjoyed watching him play, but his short stature put a damper on his results. But i loved watching him play along with Younes el-aynaoui.

CmonAussie
10-20-2007, 03:13 PM
*********
~~~~~~~~
BUMP

So Fat Dave makes his 1st final in nearly 18-months [Estoril 2006] & gives himelf to add to his no. of career titles<:)

Yes Nalbandian`s resume is very impressive indeed><
* 5 career titles!!

>>>
So can Dave add to his long list of titles tomorrow in the Madrid AMS final??
If Nalby wins tomorrow he`ll be only 5-titles behind tv celebrity Philippousis`@@`
Seriously Dave`s career accomplishments relative to talent are downright humiliating><!

CmonAussie
10-20-2007, 03:16 PM
:confused: :eek: :p
...
Nalbandian has been tauted as the 2nd best all court player [after Federer] for most of the last 5-years, ~however he has very little to show for it:eek:

>>>
*5-titles [incl TMC 05]
*Top-10 player for over 4-years
*Excellent record at the Slams but not a single victory:eek:

Check out his Slam record:

Performance timeline
Tournament 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 Titles
Australian Open 4r SF QF QF QF 2r - 0
French Open SF 4r SF 2r 3r - 0
Wimbledon 3r QF - 4r F - 0
U.S. Open 2r QF 2r SF 1r 3r 0
Tennis Masters Cup SF W - RR - - 1


>> So Fat Dave`s been in the SFs of all 4-Slams & atleast to the QF stage on 10-occassions:worship:
BUT ~~ nothing to show for it:p


Will he ever win a Slam:confused:
Will he even win any more MM titles:confused:
Has his 5-year window of opportunity passed him by:confused:
What was his best chance to win a Slam:confused:

:devil: my original post makes a few points as to why Fat Dave can be considered the greatest underachiever ever:eek:

Kolya
10-20-2007, 04:08 PM
For someone as good as Nalbandian he should have at least 15 titles, MM or big tourneys.

CmonAussie
10-20-2007, 04:39 PM
For someone as good as Nalbandian he should have at least 15 titles, MM or big tourneys.


:wavey:
exacty my point;)
...
people often refer to Marcelo Rios as the biggest underachiever:devil:
but atleast Rios won 18-titles, including several Masters Series on various surfaces & reached #1.


Dave`s reached atleast the SFs of all 4 slams & yet he`s never gone the whole way:eek:
also Nalbandian`s never won a Masters Series, though he did manage to win TMC over injured FED.

marcRD
10-20-2007, 04:50 PM
I think he will end his career as the most talented player who never won a slam (forget Rios). To me when he is at the top of his game he definetly is 2nd to only Federer outside clay and I dont even think Nalbandian is mentaly weak, he just doesnt have the serve to end matches and in grand slams he has had some bad luck (matches against Federer in RG, Roddick USOPEN and Baghdatis in AO). Rain, injuries and bad calls have gone against him in the most important matches of his career. Without a good serve Nalbandian cant afford to play bad at lapses and still win, he needs to play his best all the time. Federer can play bad in a set but win in a tiebreak or just play 1 good return game and just hold serve. Nalby needs to break his opponents 2-3 times to win sets many times.

I still have hope for Nalbandian, I think he has a great chanse in both AO and RG, if he can just take with him the way he has been playing tennis in Madrid. Nalbandian needs to get a new coach who can put more pressure on him to lose weight and work on his serve and his volley, Nalby is probably the kind of player who is lazy to improve his weaknesses and like to just practise his strengts when practising, I think he needs a top coach from USA or Australia who can teach him new stuff and take him outside his comfort zone, have practise sessions in Florida, Spain and Dubai and stay him away from the argentinian steaks, racing hobby and his unhealthy lifestyle in his hometown.

Then we could have 4 in the mix in a near future.

DDrago2
10-20-2007, 05:22 PM
I agree that Nalbandian is the BIGGEST underachiever EVER. Just look his record in Grand Slams... Wimbledon Finals, two times RG semis, one US Open semi (with a match-ball for the finals, that he would have probably won against Ferrero), numerous times into AOpen QF. Than look at his H-2-H with the greatest players - he beat all of them at least once. And than look at his game itself - apart from serve, it is both powerfull and sublime to a level only second to Federer.
And than look at his titles... enough said

Clara Bow
10-20-2007, 05:58 PM
numerous times into AOpen QF.

He has also made the Aussie semis- in 2006 when he lost to Marcos.

I do think David could be the biggest under-achiever. Just the number of titles versus his talent- does not compute.

CmonAussie
10-20-2007, 06:12 PM
He has also made the Aussie semis- in 2006 when he lost to Marcos.

I do think David could be the biggest under-achiever. Just the number of titles versus his talent- does not compute.

;)
here`s a couple of questions for quiz night:

**who was the last male tennis player to blow a 2-set lead in a slam SF:confused:
>>answer: Fat Dave [AO 2006]...lost to Bagdatis:eek:

**who was the last player b4 Fat Dave @ 2006 AO to blow a 2-set lead in a slam SF:confused:
>>answer: Fat Dave [USO 2003]...lost to Roddick:devil:

MisterQ
10-20-2007, 07:34 PM
I guess it depends on whether you count GS semis and finals as an achievement... ;) (Some would find his record quite impressive, despite the lack of wins -- although it's true that his titles are disproportionate to his talent.)

At least he has won the Masters Cup -- that's a pretty important title and puts him in elite company.

leng jai
10-20-2007, 10:38 PM
I fail to see how Donut Dave is the biggest undersachiever of all time with a GS record like that. There are many other equally talented players who have achieved jack all compared to Nalbandia. Just because he hasn't won a slam and doesn't have many titles doesn't mean he is the biggest underachiever? What if he won 20 MM titles, would you still make this ridiculous thread?

Kolya
10-21-2007, 12:12 AM
Is it just me or does Nalbandian avoids MM tournaments?

World Beater
10-21-2007, 01:15 AM
I fail to see how Donut Dave is the biggest undersachiever of all time with a GS record like that. There are many other equally talented players who have achieved jack all compared to Nalbandia. Just because he hasn't won a slam and doesn't have many titles doesn't mean he is the biggest underachiever? What if he won 20 MM titles, would you still make this ridiculous thread?


like haas ?:p

i dont know if he is the biggest underachiever but nalle has baseline talent reminiscent of the a-train.

leng jai
10-21-2007, 01:23 AM
like haas ?:p

i dont know if he is the biggest underachiever but nalle has baseline talent reminiscent of the a-train.

Haas is one definitely ;)

ReturnWinner
10-21-2007, 02:43 AM
I do not know if the biggest but he is a big one for sure

brent-o
10-21-2007, 03:09 AM
I wish Nalbandian could play more often as well as he did in the first set against Federer in the French Open semi last year. That was the best set of the whole tournament.

I agree, that was amazing to watch! For some reason, he plays without fear against Federer and yet chokes left and right against lots of other opponents. Somebody tell Fat Dave that he's supposed to be nervous like the rest of the tour against Roger!

azza
10-21-2007, 03:17 AM
WRONG! Philippoussis is the biggest UNERCHIEVER ever!!

ReturnWinner
10-21-2007, 03:19 AM
WRONG! Philippoussis is the biggest UNERCHIEVER ever!!

agree he is the biggest unerchiever ever but not an underachiever
first time you are right in something

CmonAussie
10-21-2007, 04:28 AM
I fail to see how Donut Dave is the biggest undersachiever of all time with a GS record like that. There are many other equally talented players who have achieved jack all compared to Nalbandia. Just because he hasn't won a slam and doesn't have many titles doesn't mean he is the biggest underachiever? What if he won 20 MM titles, would you still make this ridiculous thread?


:wavey:
you think my thread is "ridiculous":confused: :sad:
....
many people seem to agree with me on this one, so it can`t be that ridiculous:p
****
BTW, fast forward to when Fat Dave is a grandpa & weighs 200kg [say the year 2047]:angel:
he`s telling his grandkids about his wonderful career & the conversation goes like this...

a) grandkids: "grandpa Fat Dave, tell us about your tennis career"?
b) Fat Dave: "I could hold my own, I was considered the 2nd best ballstriker of my generation"!
a) grandkids: "who was the greatest ballstriker of your generation"?
b) Fat Dave: "Roger `Jesus` Federer"!
a) grandkids: "oh my god, you actually met god`s son"?
b) Fat Dave: "yes we were close rivals in fact"!
a) grandkids: "did you ever beat Jesus FED"?
b) Fat Dave: "yes many times"!
a) grandkids: "oh cmon grandpa- you don`t have to lie"!
b) Fat Dave: "no i`m dead serious, in fact i won the 2005 TMC, defeating (an injured) Jesus"!
a) grandkids: "there`s no such tourney called TMC, you must be lying"!
b) Fat Dave: "sorry, it was renamed the WTF championships since 2009"!
a) grandkids: "who gives a fuck grandpa, all you did is win one lousy WTF"?
b) Fat Dave: "well the WTF championships were more prestigious back in the day"!
a) grandkids: "so did you ever win a slam"?
b) Fat Dave: "yes in fact I defeated Jesus FED in the final of the US Open"!
a) grandkids: "you`re lying, show us the trophy"!
b) Fat Dave: "here it is, the 1998 US Open winners trophy"!
a) grandkids: "grandpa, put on your glasses, this says 1998 US Open JUNIOR winner"!
b) Fat Dave: "oh year, but i did have a wonderful slam record"!
a) grandkids: "go on then, tell us what you did"!
b) Fat Dave: "I made the Wimbledon final".
a) grandkids: "what was the score".
b) Fat Dave: "oh i can`t remember, but Rocky Llegs began saying `CMON` & he looked scary".
a) grandkids: "what else"?
b) Fat Dave: "i made the AO, FO, & USO semi-finals"!
a) gandkids: "who gives a shit grandpa, semi-finals are for losers"!
b) Fat Dave: "oh you`re being a bit harsh kiddies, i won a few other things".
a) grandkids: "yeah like what"?
b) Fat Dave: "5 ATP titles"?
a) grandkids: "how many did Jesus FED win"?
b) Fat Dave: "100 or some shit, what the fuck do you care anyway...i tell you he was God`s son"!
a) grandkids: "and they called you `the 2nd best ballstriker of your generation`"?
b) Fat Dave: "what`s more I was a rally car driver & nearly won Davis Cup for Argentina"!
a) grandkids: "so why didn`t Argentina ever win the Davis Cup"?
b) Fat Dave: "because Coria, Gaudio, Canas & the other choking/drug cheating wankers stuffed up"!
a) grandkids: "can we just call you `Fat Underachiever Grandpa Dave`:devil: :confused:
b) Fat Dave: "piss off, no more prezzies @ Christmas time for you ungrateful punks:sad: ".

Forehander
10-21-2007, 04:33 AM
lol many out there

CmonAussie
10-21-2007, 04:43 AM
title renamed!
for the sake of Fat Dave`s grandkiddies<:)

LocoPorElTenis
10-21-2007, 10:07 AM
Could you please stop the "Fed was injured in TMC 2005 final" bullshit? :rolleyes:
Sure Fed was injured and that's why he beat Gaudio 6-0 6-0 in the SF :rolleyes:
Roger was coming from an injury and may be not in top physical shape, but injured he was not. He was fine enough to win all the matches in the TMC except the final (including beating Fat Dave in RR). And in the final he was well enough to play for 5 sets and was 2 points from victory on serve. So please stop the bullshit.

Dougie
10-21-2007, 11:07 AM
WRONG! Philippoussis is the biggest UNERCHIEVER ever!!

I fail to see how Philippoussis can be considered as an underachiever. It´s not like the guy was ever going to be a great player.

Bilbo
10-21-2007, 11:16 AM
WRONG! Philippoussis is the biggest UNERCHIEVER ever!!

he's serve only and a brainless ballbasher

Nalbandian has a lot of talent and also a high IQ imo

Allegretto
10-21-2007, 11:40 AM
Whilst not the biggest underachiever by any means, it's a travesty that Tim Henman ended his career without ever winning a slam. With his game, there's no question he should have won Wimbledon at least once.

marcRD
10-21-2007, 11:45 AM
:lol: at grandpa Nalbandian. Everyone likes to think their favorite is an underachiever, that he has more potential than he is showing. But personaly I think only a few earn the title and no one earns it more than Nalbandian (not even Safin and I dont even want to call Haas an underachiever). Nalbandian can beat absolutely anyone on every surface, his ballstriking is sublime, his potential far above what most people imagine. I wonder how many slams Federer would win if Nalbandian and Safin had the discipline and power of will Federer and Nadal has (probably more than anyone else, but I am sure Nalby could steal 2 or 3 from Federer) . If Nalbandian always put tennis 1st and not 2nd or 3rd like he is doing now he would be challenging the top players week in and week out. Glory comes with sacrifice, Federer lives for tennis and to achieve greatness, Nalby seems po play tennis to get money and have a good luxurious life. One day he may regret it.

marcRD
10-21-2007, 11:48 AM
Whilst not the biggest underachiever by any means, it's a travesty that Tim Henman ended his career without ever winning a slam. With his game, there's no question he should have won Wimbledon at least once.

Tim Henman could not beat the best players in the world. Sampras, Agassi, Hewitt, Federer. No matter who was dominating at the time could easily destroy Henman, so I dont think he is an underachiever at all. To win a grand slams most of the time you need to beat one great player, unless you are extremly lucky like Henman was 2001, but then he blew it. Rafter would still have won a potential final against Henman.

Action Jackson
10-21-2007, 12:30 PM
The answer to this question is no.

Rogiman
10-21-2007, 12:35 PM
The answer to this question is no.Let me guess, Mecir, right? :rolleyes:

Action Jackson
10-21-2007, 12:46 PM
Let me guess, Mecir, right? :rolleyes:

No, it's Amos Mansdorf.

CmonAussie
10-21-2007, 01:33 PM
:lol: at grandpa Nalbandian. Everyone likes to think their favorite is an underachiever, that he has more potential than he is showing. But personaly I think only a few earn the title and no one earns it more than Nalbandian (not even Safin and I dont even want to call Haas an underachiever). Nalbandian can beat absolutely anyone on every surface, his ballstriking is sublime, his potential far above what most people imagine. I wonder how many slams Federer would win if Nalbandian and Safin had the discipline and power of will Federer and Nadal has (probably more than anyone else, but I am sure Nalby could steal 2 or 3 from Federer) . If Nalbandian always put tennis 1st and not 2nd or 3rd like he is doing now he would be challenging the top players week in and week out. Glory comes with sacrifice, Federer lives for tennis and to achieve greatness, Nalby seems po play tennis to get money and have a good luxurious life. One day he may regret it.


:wavey:
we seem to be basically on the same wavelength:cool:
***
Over the last few decades I`d rate them like this:

1. Nalbandian [could have had 6-7 slams if his head & heart were in it]:eek:
2.(tied): Mecir, Rios, Coria:devil:
5.(tied): Haas, Kiefer, Philippoussis:sad:
8. (tied): Pioline, Henman:p
10. Safin [he still won 2 slams, #1 & several masters series.. so he can`t be near the top]:cool:

marcRD
10-21-2007, 04:27 PM
No one else can do what Nalbandian is doing now to a Federer who is playing good tennis on one of his best surfaces. Every other player including Safin at his prime and Nadal would have been outplayed today by Federer.

CmonAussie
10-21-2007, 04:45 PM
No one else can do what Nalbandian is doing now to a Federer who is playing good tennis on one of his best surfaces. Every other player including Safin at his prime and Nadal would have been outplayed today by Federer.

:cool:
very impressive from Dave:devil:
...
wow I didn`t see that coming:worship:
~~~
however today`s win just validates my point further;)
Dave is clearly one of the top 2 ballstrikers in the game, & yet it`s only his 6th career title!
Obviously Nalbandian should have won a few slams by now [maybe he still will:confused: ].

no name face
10-21-2007, 05:13 PM
No one else can do what Nalbandian is doing now to a Federer who is playing good tennis on one of his best surfaces. Every other player including Safin at his prime and Nadal would have been outplayed today by Federer.

agreed. it's just unbelievable!

Rogiman
10-21-2007, 05:24 PM
Well, that's a step in the right direction by grandpa David :lol:

njnetswill
10-21-2007, 06:21 PM
The biggest underachiever of all time is Irakli Labadze. :haha:

CmonAussie
11-01-2007, 10:20 PM
****
~~~
great win for Fat Dave today<:)
>>still the fact that Nalbandian defeated FED 2 tourneys in a row just goes to further my point!!


talent
Nalbandian = Federer

career
Nalbandian [6-titles, 0-slams] <<<<<<<<<<<<< Federer [52-titles, 12-slams]

marcRD
11-02-2007, 12:20 AM
I dont think most people in MTF understand how good Nalbandian could have been and maybe still can be.

World Beater
11-02-2007, 12:45 AM
I dont think most people in MTF understand how good Nalbandian could have been and maybe still can be.

ppl laugh at me when i say nalbandian is most talented from the baseline since agassi.

Action Jackson
11-02-2007, 12:47 AM
I dont think most people in MTF understand how good Nalbandian could have been and maybe still can be.

You think so?

Action Jackson
11-02-2007, 12:48 AM
ppl laugh at me when i say nalbandian is most talented from the baseline since agassi.

Far from an outrageous statement.

marcRD
11-02-2007, 01:48 AM
You think so?

What do you think?

World Beater
11-02-2007, 02:02 AM
You think so?

the key word being "most" here.

you are not telling me MTF is capable of rational or logical thought here.

Action Jackson
11-02-2007, 02:49 AM
the key word being "most" here.

you are not telling me MTF is capable of rational or logical thought here.

Of course GM is capable of rational thought for the most part.

The people with any sense and they know who they are, know that Nalbandian when he is focused on tennis can produce some high quality stuff.

CmonAussie
11-02-2007, 03:43 AM
I dont think most people in MTF understand how good Nalbandian could have been and maybe still can be.

:wavey:
exactly what i`m saying bro:cool:
...
#if Nalbandian had Federer`s desire or Agassi`s passion then Fat Dave could have won the career slam by now;)

Slams Dave had a good shot at winning:
2002 Wimby [overawed in F]
2003 USO [big choke in SF]
2004 AO [mini choke in QF]
2004 FO [mini choke in SF]
2005 AO [mini choke in QF]
2006 AO [big choke in SF]
2006 FO [big choke in SF]

Action Jackson
11-02-2007, 03:58 AM
2004 FO [mini choke in SF]
2006 FO [big choke in SF]

So getting muscle injuries in matches, where it impacts on your game are chokes now? I am getting worried about you.

Nalbandian has thrown away some big matches in his time, but ever occurred that not every single loss is a choke?

marcRD
11-02-2007, 03:58 AM
Nalby should have had atleast 1 usopen and 1 australian open. Maybe 1 rg too.

Action Jackson
11-02-2007, 04:16 AM
Nalby should have had atleast 1 usopen and 1 australian open. Maybe 1 rg too.

Why should he? They don't give out GS titles cause of talent. If he was good enough to win these titles, then he would have.

RG is the least likely for him to win, but as usual most people practice selective memory he was getting outplayed in the semi final by Gaudio in 04 and he played on in the last set when he shouldn't have of that match.

Can I ask an honest question?

World Beater
11-02-2007, 04:28 AM
Why should he? They don't give out GS titles cause of talent. If he was good enough to win these titles, then he would have.

RG is the least likely for him to win, but as usual most people practice selective memory he was getting outplayed in the semi final by Gaudio in 04 and he played on in the last set when he shouldn't have of that match.

Can I ask an honest question?

i like nalbandian's tennis and all but i think winning 3 slams is pushing it for him. If nalbandian had to play only federer to win slams, its conceivable that he would have won a few. But the reason nalbandian isn't as good as fed even at top tilt is because there are more players who can bother him than can bother federer.

he was playing great at the usopen but lost to roddick and lost to marcos at the AO. Both times playing near his top tennis. So that should tell everyone quite a bit already.

Action Jackson
11-02-2007, 04:42 AM
i like nalbandian's tennis and all but i think winning 3 slams is pushing it for him. If nalbandian had to play only federer to win slams, its conceivable that he would have won a few. But the reason nalbandian isn't as good as fed even at top tilt is because there are more players who can bother him than can bother federer.

he was playing great at the usopen but lost to roddick and lost to marcos at the AO. Both times playing near his top tennis. So that should tell everyone quite a bit already.

I think he is good enough to win Slams potentially, but we've already been through that part.

The Roddick at the US Open well we all know what happened there and no need to go into it, except these are the mental hurdles the best players overcome and getting pissed off with that call and letting it effect him.

As for the Baghdatis match well I was there for that one and it all seemed in control for him and he had an early break in the 5th, but wasn't able to forclose the deal.

He is a moody player and it depends on how he feels at the time. He has made the semis of all GS events at least once, but only 1 final and these aren't all chokes either.

Jaite has helped him beef up his serve, the serve and forehand under pression are the keys for him. The thing in his favour is that he is quite good technically and plays an efficient style say compared to the physicality of Nadal for example. He could play for quite some time, just depends on the motivation.

World Beater
11-02-2007, 04:45 AM
I think he is good enough to win Slams potentially, but we've already been through that part.

The Roddick at the US Open well we all know what happened there and no need to go into it, except these are the mental hurdles the best players overcome and getting pissed off with that call and letting it effect him.

As for the Baghdatis match well I was there for that one and it all seemed in control for him and he had an early break in the 5th, but wasn't able to forclose the deal.

He is a moody player and it depends on how he feels at the time. He has made the semis of all GS events at least once, but only 1 final and these aren't all chokes either.

Jaite has helped him beef up his serve, the serve and forehand under pression are the keys for him. The thing in his favour is that he is quite good technically and plays an efficient style say compared to the physicality of Nadal for example. He could play for quite some time, just depends on the motivation.

Do you think he will continue this type of tennis into next year?

I think nalbandian will do well in the grand slams like in 2006. Its about time he did better at wimbledon though. We all saw his potential there getting to the final.

Action Jackson
11-02-2007, 04:53 AM
Do you think he will continue this type of tennis into next year?

I think nalbandian will do well in the grand slams like in 2006. Its about time he did better at wimbledon though. We all saw his potential there getting to the final.

Good question. Personally I'd love for him to continue this kind of tennis, it's pretty much up to him now.

Like I said in the match thread. He has a proper coach now in Martin Jaite something he hasn't had for a long time. He knows what he is doing and wouldn't have taken the job if he didn't think there was some potential there to be worked with.

For all his girth, Nalbandian moves around a court quite well more because of his brains and anticipation that gets him into position to play his game. He is still going to have the days where he doesn't give a fuck that is him and that's not going to change.

If he prepares better for the Slams than he has done in recent times he should be Ok. He has no DC to worry about this year, go and do his fishing and then see what becomes of 2008.

FedFan_2007
11-02-2007, 06:02 AM
Fat Dave to get back on the Donut train! Choo-Choo!

Deivid23
11-02-2007, 09:39 AM
:haha: at the grandkids q&a.

You´re smoking some good weed lately, CmonAussie :yeah:

CmonAussie
11-02-2007, 11:13 AM
So getting muscle injuries in matches, where it impacts on your game are chokes now? I am getting worried about you.

Nalbandian has thrown away some big matches in his time, but ever occurred that not every single loss is a choke?


:wavey:
so are you telling me the 2006 FO SF wasn`t a choke for Fat Dave:confused:
>> Nalby was leading FED by a set & a break in the 2nd, on FED`s least favourite surface, still with the memory of Dave`s win in the 2005 TMC final fresh in their memories.. & then the muscle injuries began to occur:eek: :confused:
...
as far as I`m concerned getting injured in SFs & finals of slams is choking;)
similiar thing happened with Pat Rafter @ 2001 AO SFs.. where he led Agassi by 2-sets-to-one, & then the flop sweat attack happens, plus some cramps [poor conditioning] & suddenly it`s all over. of course if Rafter had won that he would have played Clement in the final>> & surely have won it:sad: :sad:

players like Nalbandian always need an excuse when they lose big matches, so they make themselves so uptight/nervous that cramps & muscle injuries come into play~~ & help them save face in the post-match press conferences:(

CmonAussie
11-02-2007, 11:16 AM
:haha: at the grandkids q&a.

You´re smoking some good weed lately, CmonAussie :yeah:

:wavey:
thanks Deivid mate:cool:
...
hey we`re both 29yrs~~ when`s your birthday:confused:

BTW, it`s not weed i`m smoking;)
my inspiration is a hearty breakfast of `natto`[fermented soy beans]:devil:

Jimnik
11-02-2007, 11:44 AM
:wavey:
exactly what i`m saying bro:cool:
...
#if Nalbandian had Federer`s desire or Agassi`s passion then Fat Dave could have won the career slam by now;)

Slams Dave had a good shot at winning:
2002 Wimby [overawed in F]
2003 USO [big choke in SF]
2004 AO [mini choke in QF]
2004 FO [mini choke in SF]
2005 AO [mini choke in QF]
2006 AO [big choke in SF]
2006 FO [big choke in SF]
It's not really about the desire or passion, it's about the belief and mental strength. You've used the word choke (slight exaggeration) for every loss which illustrates what the problem is.

Certainly it would help if he had a lot more determination and fighting spirit but, partly due to his playing style, he does have problems when he gets close to the finish line. I can definitely see him making another GS final but I doubt he'll win it whoever he's up against.

Safin, for example, never had the commitment of Federer or Nadal (OK it wasn't as extreme as Nalba but he had more injury problems) but at least he had the mental strength to play his best tennis against top players at the slams. He won his first slam final against Sampras in straight sets whereas Nalbandian, as you say, was completely overawed in his Wimby final against Hewitt.

stebs
11-02-2007, 01:07 PM
For people saying Nalbandian is the best baseliner in the world when at his best I fully agree and yes, that was even true a few years ago when Safin could play good tennis.

For people saying he is equal with Federer in terms of talent, I don't know how talent is measured for you butif Nalbandian had Federer's mental strength still no way he would've done what Federer has:

1 - His serve, although firing right now, has never been consistent enough and it means when he has blips it costs him dear, Federer can win matches without playing his best far better.
2 - His game is very high risk, no it is not ball bashing and there are riskier games but if his timing is off for a day he is screwed.
3 - Nalbandian, great as he is, can be outplayed in a way we have only seen Federer outplayed literally a couple mof times in the last 4 years. Big hitters on fire can't troulbe the Swiss but against Nalbandian they get the job done and yes there are a lot of hit and miss big hitters around these days so it's a minefield for Nalbandian.

That said, there is no question as to whether his talent is enough to win him a slam or more and of course it is and has been but I still don't see him winning a slam and yes this answer will remain the same if he sweeps all before him to win Paris as well.

Deivid23
11-02-2007, 01:33 PM
:wavey:
thanks Deivid mate:cool:
...
hey we`re both 29yrs~~ when`s your birthday:confused:

Nope I´m not 29 sorry. And nope my birthday is not the same than yours or at least there´s just a slim chance it is:D

BTW, it`s not weed i`m smoking;)
my inspiration is a hearty breakfast of `natto`[fermented soy beans]:devil:

Then this thread is even better :eek:

marcRD
11-02-2007, 01:56 PM
Why should he? They don't give out GS titles cause of talent. If he was good enough to win these titles, then he would have.

RG is the least likely for him to win, but as usual most people practice selective memory he was getting outplayed in the semi final by Gaudio in 04 and he played on in the last set when he shouldn't have of that match.

Can I ask an honest question?

He should have in the sense that if he just didnt choke or get injured he would have gone to the finals (the RG match against Federer is 50-50) and Ferrero would be quite easy for Nalbandian, Federer was playing bad tennis in AO and I cant see him beating Nalbandian playing like he was playing AO 2006 and then Nadal is a good matchup for Nalbandian, so I think he would have a good chanse to beat NAdal in the RG final.

OFcourse this is the classic would and should haves, but I think it is pretty obious in the 2 slams he was up 2-0 that he should have won those matches if he just played his tennis and didnt get nervous. In RG it is a feeling I have that Nalbandian could have done serious damage to Nadal in the final, but there it is more a could have then should or would have.

World Beater
11-02-2007, 07:48 PM
nalbandian's career kind of reminds me agassi in his early years - choking some finals etc. Not super professional and comitted but now experiencing a resurgence. Lets see if it lasts.

CmonAussie
11-02-2007, 07:59 PM
nalbandian's career kind of reminds me agassi in his early years - choking some finals etc. Not super professional and comitted but now experiencing a resurgence. Lets see if it lasts.


I don`t think so;)
...
Agassi & Nalbandian aren`t even on the same page!!

Fat Dave will be 26yrs in Jan.
At the same age Agassi had achieved a whole lot more:
*Wimby champ
*USO champ
*AO champ
*FO 2x RU
*TMC champ
*Davis Cup champ with USA
*35-titles

World Beater
11-02-2007, 08:19 PM
I don`t think so;)
...
Agassi & Nalbandian aren`t even on the same page!!

Fat Dave will be 26yrs in Jan.
At the same age Agassi had achieved a whole lot more:
*Wimby champ
*USO champ
*AO champ
*FO 2x RU
*TMC champ
*Davis Cup champ with USA
*35-titles


thats true. :lol: I didnt even realize nalby was that old. I guess thats what happens when you are off the map for so long.

Maybe nalby will be a later bloomer and his timeline doesn't agree with agassi's script-wise but there are similarities and that was what i was trying to say.

DrJules
11-02-2007, 09:16 PM
Now Nalbandian has added a serve to the rest of his game he is now playing the best tennis of his career. Will he deliver in 2008?

Metis
11-02-2007, 09:33 PM
Now Nalbandian has added a serve to the rest of his game he is now playing the best tennis of his career. Will he deliver in 2008?


He'd better deliver otherwise his grandkids will be asking some uncomfortable questions:

"So granpa, why didn't you win any Slams since you could play so well? :confused: :rolleyes: "

Action Jackson
11-03-2007, 06:01 AM
He should have in the sense that if he just didnt choke or get injured he would have gone to the finals (the RG match against Federer is 50-50) and Ferrero would be quite easy for Nalbandian, Federer was playing bad tennis in AO and I cant see him beating Nalbandian playing like he was playing AO 2006 and then Nadal is a good matchup for Nalbandian, so I think he would have a good chanse to beat NAdal in the RG final.

OFcourse this is the classic would and should haves, but I think it is pretty obious in the 2 slams he was up 2-0 that he should have won those matches if he just played his tennis and didnt get nervous. In RG it is a feeling I have that Nalbandian could have done serious damage to Nadal in the final, but there it is more a could have then should or would have.

Yes, he was handling Federer at the time quite comfortably in that RG semi final in 06, but we can never tell how this match would have panned out. Even though he has beaten Federer plenty of times, he has lost some matches he shouldn't have against Fed, but that goes both ways.

As for Nadal and Nalbandian on clay, that is a great unknown, but I am not going to say either way about that without having seen them play on clay against each other once, but strange things happen.

Like I said initially if he was good enough in those events, then he'd have won them.

Action Jackson
11-03-2007, 06:02 AM
nalbandian's career kind of reminds me agassi in his early years - choking some finals etc. Not super professional and comitted but now experiencing a resurgence. Lets see if it lasts.

Only things that are similar are that they are of Armenian descent and both have 2 handed backhands.

Action Jackson
11-03-2007, 06:06 AM
:wavey:
so are you telling me the 2006 FO SF wasn`t a choke for Fat Dave:confused:
>> Nalby was leading FED by a set & a break in the 2nd, on FED`s least favourite surface, still with the memory of Dave`s win in the 2005 TMC final fresh in their memories.. & then the muscle injuries began to occur:eek: :confused: (

You really are joking. Nalbandian has been outplayed in big matches before and not needed an excuse to justify those defeats. It's not Nalbandian's favourite surface either. Try serving with a strained muscle in the side of your body and this doesn't impact on your breathing patterns. Facts are if fully fit we don't know if Nalbandian would have won against Federer or not, but once again you misuse the word choke.

You love the would have/could have scenarios? I was talking about the Nalbandian's match with Gaudio and not Federer initially.

Merton
11-03-2007, 07:37 AM
So Nalbandian suddenly should have been a multiple slam winner :haha: :haha: :haha:

Hendu
11-03-2007, 08:31 AM
An underachiever is someone who doesn't do as expected, right?

Someone who doesn't reach expectations...

What were the expectations with Nalbandian?

yes, he has the tennis to win a GS. Then one could say he is an underachiever. But really, there are many players who given their skills are capable of winning slams and never did.

If we are going to call every player who doesn't reach his full potential an underachiever, alright (for the record, I have called Nalbandian an underachiever in the past). But then a huge % of the players deserve to be called that way too.

If Nalbandian wins Paris AMS, then he would have ended the year as a top ten for 5 consecutive seasons. He also reached a GS final and made semis in all GS. Was a top 3 in the ranking and won an AMS title and the TMC. Also reached the final of the DC, playing a huge role for his team.

Thats an exceptional career if you ask me, and he is still young.



He should have been a multiple GS winner?

why? You need to have exceptional tennis skills to do it, but also you have to be mentally prepared and Nalbandian has never shown he has that attribute.

leng jai
11-03-2007, 11:31 AM
An underachiever is someone who doesn't do as expected, right?

Someone who doesn't reach expectations...

What were the expectations with Nalbandian?

yes, he has the tennis to win a GS. Then one could say he is an underachiever. But really, there are many players who given their skills are capable of winning slams and never did.

If we are going to call every player who doesn't reach his full potential an underachiever, alright (for the record, I have called Nalbandian an underachiever in the past). But then a huge % of the players deserve to be called that way too.

If Nalbandian wins Paris AMS, then he would have ended the year as a top ten for 5 consecutive seasons. He also reached a GS final and made semis in all GS. Was a top 3 in the ranking and won an AMS title and the TMC. Also reached the final of the DC, playing a huge role for his team.

Thats an exceptional career if you ask me, and he is still young.



He should have been a multiple GS winner?

why? You need to have exceptional tennis skills to do it, but also you have to be mentally prepared and Nalbandian has never shown he has that attribute.

Don't waste your good posts on a CmonAussie thread.

ilovemarat
11-03-2007, 11:39 AM
He is kinda underachiever, but... There are flaws of his good game, so... :shrug: It's not only Nalby in tennis. What about Roddick? One grandslam and could have done more...

almouchie
11-03-2007, 11:44 AM
well there are several players who can be put in that category as
Underachievers
but nalbandian
has to be the one who has shown most potential, ability, talent, temperment
yet he has yet to demonstrate that over 2 weeks
its more desire with him i suppose, he isnthe robot scheduled person like say roger or nadal, he has a lot more diversity to his characher much like Safin
but if his career ends with no Grand Slams, it will definitely be a negative point on his resume

ilovemarat
11-03-2007, 11:52 AM
Yeah, okay, he might be like Safin a bit, but it's not fair that everybody blames Safin for lack of motivation and hard work. He won two grandslams and the mark of "not trying enough" is still there... Nalby haven't won even one GS. :confused:

CmonAussie
11-05-2007, 06:31 AM
Don't waste your good posts on a CmonAussie thread.


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
This is not very nice of you, why would you be so unkind:sad: :confused:
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I don`t know why you bother posting in my threads if you think they`re so useless.

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leng jai, please provide me a link to a decent thread you created:confused: ..honestly, i`m curious~ i`d like to take a gander at the best you`ve got:p

i get the notion that you just like to criticise, & haven`t got the guts to come up with anything decent yourself!!

CmonAussie
11-05-2007, 06:34 AM
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BTW, congratulations to Fat Dave for winning B2B AMS events in Madrid & Paris!!!<:)

Nalbandian has certainly surprised a few of us, & i`ll be the 1st to admit i`m impressed with his form!
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who knows maybe that elusive slam is just around the corner???
if Dave does win a slam, he can lose the `biggest underachiever` tag!

CmonAussie
01-22-2008, 11:39 AM
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#@@#...So FAT (not so FIT anymore) DAVE returns to his choking/unerachieving ways!!!
***Another slam, another surprisingly early exit, another lost opportunity!

It`s crazy to think that only a few months back Nalbandian managed to defeat both Federer (twice) & Nadal (twice) & Djokovic, Roddick etc!!!

Stensland
01-22-2008, 11:42 AM
hey, you're back! :)

tripb19
01-22-2008, 11:54 AM
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#@@#...So FAT (not so FIT anymore) DAVE returns to his choking/unerachieving ways!!!
***Another slam, another surprisingly early exit, another lost opportunity!

It`s crazy to think that only a few months back Nalbandian managed to defeat both Federer (twice) & Nadal (twice) & Djokovic, Roddick etc!!!
127 other players lost the opportunity as well :wavey: Juan Carlos Ferrero was on fire, David played like rubbish, moving on.

Kolya
01-22-2008, 11:58 AM
:lol:

Exodus
01-22-2008, 12:14 PM
true even a loser like ferrero has won a slam

~*BGT*~
01-22-2008, 12:16 PM
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#@@#...So FAT (not so FIT anymore) DAVE returns to his choking/unerachieving ways!!!
***Another slam, another surprisingly early exit, another lost opportunity!

It`s crazy to think that only a few months back Nalbandian managed to defeat both Federer (twice) & Nadal (twice) & Djokovic, Roddick etc!!!

He has not played Andy since TMC 06.

scoobs
01-22-2008, 01:11 PM
It doesn't matter.

The best show in town will be the crowd outside the Casa Rosada, chanting

"Dave-eater! Dave-eater! Dave-eater!"

He steps out onto the balcony and raises his hands to quieten down the exuberant crowd.

He approaches the microphone and begins to speak.

:singer:

"I want to tell the people of Argentina
I've decided I should decline
All the Grand Slams and medals you've pressed me to win.

"For I'm contented.
Let me simply go on
As the man who brings the donuts,
The pies and the scones."

"Don't cry for me Argentina
The truth is I shall not leave you.
It will get much easier
For you to see me
When all these donuts
Finally fill me..."

Stephan
01-22-2008, 04:18 PM
Where do you found that my FAT DAVE has been tauted as the 2nd best all court player [after Federer] for most of the last 5-years?? HE WON A STEAK AND SOME CANDY!!.. :D

"[after Federer]" ?

what you mean?
did Roger win already French Open?

CmonAussie
02-26-2008, 06:50 AM
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So Fat Dave finally won his home title, for his 4th clay court title & 8th overall!!
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Does this win signal the end of 6-years underachieving (since he showed his talent by making the Wimbledon final in 2002)???

Can Nalbandian finally break his major hurdle (monkey on his fat gut) by winning FO???

Stephan
02-26-2008, 08:51 AM
50% win on clay
not bad? :)

Nathaliia
02-26-2008, 08:53 AM
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So Fat Dave finally won his home title, for his 4th clay court title & 8th overall!!
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Does this win signal the end of 6-years underachieving (since he showed his talent by making the Wimbledon final in 2002)???

Can Nalbandian finally break his major hurdle (monkey on his fat gut) by winning FO???
Why Roland Garros would be his "major hurdle?" lol...

Anyway he played a semifinal there in 2004.

CmonAussie
02-26-2008, 09:53 AM
Why Roland Garros would be his "major hurdle?" lol...

Anyway he played a semifinal there in 2004.

:wavey:
:devil:

you obviously didn`t understand;)

=>> Nalbandian`s "major hurdle" is winning a major!!!!:eek:
~~~Fat Dave is clearly the most talented player to ever play the game of tennis without a major victory to his name. Some would say Rios was more talented, but I put Nalbandian in a class above Marcelo:p

Nathaliia
02-26-2008, 09:59 AM
:spit: sorry, I thought you meant he needed to win RG and it has been a problem for him, my bad ;)

Nalbandian and Rios, my two favourite players ;)

leng jai
02-26-2008, 11:01 AM
:wavey:
:devil:

you obviously didn`t understand;)

=>> Nalbandian`s "major hurdle" is winning a major!!!!:eek:
~~~Fat Dave is clearly the most talented player to ever play the game of tennis without a major victory to his name. Some would say Rios was more talented, but I put Nalbandian in a class above Marcelo:p

Fat dave can't hit and attacking slice and his volley is adequate at best. Can't forget his peasant serve as well. Hardly that talented.

ReturnWinner
02-26-2008, 11:23 AM
Fat dave can't hit and attacking slice and his volley is adequate at best. Can't forget his peasant serve as well. Hardly that talented.

Nalbandian has a good slice, he does not use that very often though, and his volley are pretty good, specially his backhand volley but its irregular,he can hit some great ones and in other moments he can miss some of the most easiest.

leng jai
02-26-2008, 11:32 AM
Yes he has good technique on the slice but never uses it unless he has to defensively or the bounce is too low to hit a topspin backhand.

stebs
02-26-2008, 07:06 PM
Fat dave can't hit and attacking slice and his volley is adequate at best. Can't forget his peasant serve as well. Hardly that talented.

Serve has been much improved and you are a clown if you honestly think he is not hugely talented.

That said, he isn't the most talented player without a slam in my opinion and certainly it's not clear. I would give it to Miroslav Mecir but what is sure is that Nalbandian is somewhere near the top of the list.

sigmagirl91
02-26-2008, 08:43 PM
Grandkids? I'm still trying to imagine David with KIDS first....don't know if he's working on any or not. But grandkids? Ha and ha.... :o

leng jai
02-26-2008, 09:28 PM
Serve has been much improved and you are a clown if you honestly think he is not hugely talented.

That said, he isn't the most talented player without a slam in my opinion and certainly it's not clear. I would give it to Miroslav Mecir but what is sure is that Nalbandian is somewhere near the top of the list.

"Hardly that talented" as in, hardly as talented as CmonAussie thinks he is. Talent is different in everyone's opinion and the only area that Fat Dave really excels in is ball striking which to me doesn't make him as talented as other people make him out to be.

stebs
02-26-2008, 09:40 PM
"Hardly that talented" as in, hardly as talented as CmonAussie thinks he is. Talent is different in everyone's opinion and the only area that Fat Dave really excels in is ball striking which to me doesn't make him as talented as other people make him out to be.

Ball striking off both wings is of huge importance. Of course talent is not definitive and opinions matter but certainly saying that 'the only area' Nalbandian excels in being ball striking implies derogation which it shouldn't do.

Truth is you have it right in thinking that people overestimate the importance of aesthetically pleasing ground games. Even you overrate Haas ability and one of the reasons is porbably that technically it is flawless and his shot production is exceptional. People are too quick to call big servers who may not look so good untalented.

Talent means the potential ability to do something, in the case of tennis, win a match. However that is accomplished doesn't matter. In the case of Nalbandian he is great to watch and so has a lot of peploe overrate him but I would never say his area of expertise is too narrow.

tripb19
02-27-2008, 02:12 AM
"Hardly that talented" as in, hardly as talented as CmonAussie thinks he is. Talent is different in everyone's opinion and the only area that Fat Dave really excels in is ball striking which to me doesn't make him as talented as other people make him out to be.

His tactical brain ain't bad either.

Action Jackson
02-27-2008, 02:44 AM
"Hardly that talented" as in, hardly as talented as CmonAussie thinks he is. Talent is different in everyone's opinion and the only area that Fat Dave really excels in is ball striking which to me doesn't make him as talented as other people make him out to be.

You mean you like the ball bashers who just go for everything, or just look stylish. Nalbandian is quite talented in that he can play well on all surfaces and he does have excellent changes of pace and especially on the backhand he uses that very well.

He has improved his serve this is obvious and he is one of the better tacticians out there, when he is focused.

leng jai
02-27-2008, 02:54 AM
Yep Tursonov is my idol. I never said Fat Dave didn't look stylish, when he is on he has a very pleasing game to look at. You are right about his ability to play on all surfaces, a point which I have overlooked.

About the serve, I haven't watched him play since mid last year and I didn't notice any great improvements then.

Action Jackson
02-27-2008, 02:57 AM
I will send you some DVDs from Paris and Madrid last year and you can see it for yourself.

It was his serve, and using it intelligently, that helped set the platform for the tennis he played when he crushed both Nadal and Federer both times. He kept them off balance and then imposed his game.

HeretiC
02-27-2008, 09:45 AM
You are forgetting the angles he is able to create from both wings. That 2 handed BH technically is probably the best in the business. Constructing the points is his great strenght too, a quality today's ball bashers don't have at all.

CmonAussie
02-27-2008, 10:42 AM
You are forgetting the angles he is able to create from both wings. That 2 handed BH technically is probably the best in the business. Constructing the points is his great strenght too, a quality today's ball bashers don't have at all.


:wavey::cool:
Agree with all your points here:angel:

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Here some proof of what you`re talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHHKbq5JsJ4
:devil::worship:

Grenouille
02-27-2008, 12:28 PM
I think that now he's ready for good things. He needed time to realize that he was very talented and he couldn't be satisfied with his career but now he's ready I think !

CmonAussie
04-25-2008, 10:00 AM
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I just want to go on record [so i can say "i told you so"] as predicting that Fat Dave Nalbandian will win his 1st slam @ either FO or Wimby this year!!!!

###...Nalby is sort of the tennis equivalent of Phil Mickelson & Lefty finally broke through to win the US Masters in 2004! ~~i expect Nalbandian`s breakthrough is coming very soon!

HeretiC
04-25-2008, 10:13 AM
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I just want to go on record [so i can say "i told you so"] as predicting that Fat Dave Nalbandian will win his 1st slam @ either FO or Wimby this year!!!!

###...Nalby is sort of the tennis equivalent of Phil Mickelson & Lefty finally broke through to win the US Masters in 2004! ~~i expect Nalbandian`s breakthrough is coming very soon!

I don't think there will be many people disappointed if he does that. He is certainly worthy for a slam title. But still, that inconsistency ...:mad:

CmonAussie
06-23-2008, 11:16 PM
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Fat Dave has really shown his motivation do do well in the slams this year><.

#2008 AO ~ Rd.3
#2008 FO ~ Rd.2
#2008 Wimby ~ Rd.1

GuiroNl
06-23-2008, 11:23 PM
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Fat Dave has really shown his motivation do do well in the slams this year><.

#2008 AO ~ Rd.3
#2008 FO ~ Rd.2
#2008 Wimby ~ Rd.1

So it should be QR3 at the USO right :devil:

crude oil
06-24-2008, 01:51 AM
what grandkids?

he would probably eat them too.

RagingLamb
06-24-2008, 03:17 AM
it's nice to kick people when they're down.

David you suck!

ah that felt nice.

DhammaTiger
06-24-2008, 03:33 AM
What does he care,he is laughin all the way to the bank. Seriously, I think he is quite and fulfilled with whatever he does. It's only the fans who get so riled up. I am sure if he felt like it he could win a grand slam or 2.

Del_Toro
06-24-2008, 03:35 AM
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Fat Dave has really shown his motivation do do well in the slams this year><.

#2008 AO ~ Rd.3
#2008 FO ~ Rd.2
#2008 Wimby ~ Rd.1

That's what I call "progress" :devil:

Keep improving, Fatso!

Kolya
06-24-2008, 03:39 AM
Peaking for US Open?

kafemotor
06-24-2008, 10:35 AM
[B]:confused: :eek: :p
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a) grandkids: "so why didn`t Argentina ever win the Davis Cup"?
b) Fat Dave: "because Coria, Gaudio, Canas & the other choking/drug cheating wankers stuffed up"!
a) grandkids: "can we just call you `Fat Underachiever Grandpa Dave`
b) Fat Dave: "piss off, no more prezzies @ Christmas time for you ungrateful punks ".

You must be #1 in literary class or just fail to make it then have to discredit someone. Well, we all agree Dave has the talent, he just cannot do well with his weight and do best at indoor. Remember the time when he entertained you whenever he beat the top 2 and 3 in a tour...

finishingmove
06-24-2008, 10:49 AM
certainly his grandchildren will live their non tennis related lives and wont give a fuck.

CmonAussie
06-24-2008, 02:55 PM
You must be #1 in literary class or just fail to make it then have to discredit someone. Well, we all agree Dave has the talent, he just cannot do well with his weight and do best at indoor. Remember the time when he entertained you whenever he beat the top 2 and 3 in a tour...



No i`m just a bit crazy:devil:
Actually did a commerce degree & now a linguistics masters;)
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MTF posters still give the likes of Marcelo Rios a hard time for his wasted talent, & in my opinion Fat Dave is far more talented than Rios:eek:. There`s no doubt Nalbandian should have won a few slams by now, but with Rios it seemed that he wasn`t physically strong enough to survive 7x best-of-5-set matches required @ slams;)

Burrow
06-24-2008, 03:21 PM
He has grand children? wow

Stephan
06-24-2008, 11:41 PM
i heard Dave's armenian grandfather left his house in turkey to Argentina ...

He has grand children? wow

Jimnik
06-24-2008, 11:52 PM
We have a fat lump of Argentinian steak as a grandad. Should we eat him?

GlennMirnyi
06-24-2008, 11:57 PM
Fat Dave is an overachiever.

CmonAussie
06-25-2008, 01:47 AM
Fat Dave is an overachiever.

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so the 1998 USO junior winner~ Fat Dave, is an "overachiever":eek::confused:
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#@@#
did he overachieve @ the following times:
*blowing a 2-sets-to-love lead & match point in the SFs of the 2003 USO against A.Rod:p
*blowing a 2-sets-to-love lead over Baggy in the 2006 AO SFs:p
*blowing a 1-set-&-break lead over Fed in the 2006 FO SFs:p
*losing to Gaudio meekly @ the 2004 FO SFs:p
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when the ATPs leading players were interviewed recently, asking them about who had the best strokes, the likes of Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Roddick etc. all remarked that Nalbandian had some of the best: backhand, return of serve...etc.

ASP0315
06-25-2008, 02:19 AM
just wait till the indoor season begins, he will shut the haters up. As you found out last year and in 2005.
No he is not a overachiever but he is mental midget.

CmonAussie
06-25-2008, 02:54 AM
just wait till the indoor season begins, he will shut the haters up. As you found out last year and in 2005.
No he is not a overachiever but he is mental midget.


:wavey:
i`m not a Nalbandian hater, in fact i admire his game a lot~ that`s why his underachieving amazes me so:eek:

<>do you really think Dave can define his career by achievements during the indoor season:confused:.. indoor season basically equates to Mickey Mouse season, because top players like FED, RAFA & Djoko are winding down after peaking for the slams & getting ready for the next season beginning @ AO. #even Nalbandian`s 2005 TMC win has an asterix* next to it, as he was 5th alternate [so many players withdrew] & FED, whom Dave beat in the final, was coming back from injury & clearly still bothered by it;)

GlennMirnyi
06-25-2008, 02:56 AM
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so the 1998 USO junior winner~ Fat Dave, is an "overachiever":eek::confused:
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#@@#
did he overachieve @ the following times:
*blowing a 2-sets-to-love lead & match point in the SFs of the 2003 USO against A.Rod:p
*blowing a 2-sets-to-love lead over Baggy in the 2006 AO SFs:p
*blowing a 1-set-&-break lead over Fed in the 2006 FO SFs:p
*losing to Gaudio meekly @ the 2004 FO SFs:p
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when the ATPs leading players were interviewed recently, asking them about who had the best strokes, the likes of Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Roddick etc. all remarked that Nalbandian had some of the best: backhand, return of serve...etc.

Fat Dave's career is made of flukes.

DDrago2
06-25-2008, 03:26 AM
Despite I occasionaly can see inspiring elements in Nalbandian's game, GlennMirnyi is unfortunately righ and it seems it will remain so to the end of Nalby's carrier :sad:

Nalbandian!!!
06-25-2008, 04:15 AM
David will shut your mouth winning US open

GlennMirnyi
06-25-2008, 04:19 AM
David will shut your mouth winning US open

Or losing in the first round to Berrer.