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No Feli (or Fer) for DC finale *sigh*

JaredPalmerFan
11-09-2004, 06:35 PM
Spain have named an unchanged team for the Davis Cup final against the United States in Seville on 3-5 December.

Carlos Moya, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Rafael Nadal and Tommy Robredo will take on the US in front of 22,000 fans at the converted Olympic stadium.

It is the same team that defeated Franbce 4-1 in the semi-finals.

Moya and the struggling Ferrero are likely to play the singles rubbers, with Nadal and Robredo continuing their doubles partnership.

Spain won the Davis Cup in 2000 and reached the final last year, when they lost to Australia in Melbourne.

Jac

User id 7816
11-09-2004, 07:57 PM
I really hope Nadal and Robredo will do their best doubles match and we won't be sorry that Feli and Nando weren't there instead....their time will come...but all the luck to the spanish team, may the cup stays home boys!!!;)

lizabeth..*
11-09-2004, 11:36 PM
Hey hey....why am I not suprised?! :rolleyes:

~EMiLiTA~
11-10-2004, 05:12 AM
Yeah, here's an article about it if you're interested...I've translated it for you down the bottom...

Ferrero, Moyà, Nadal y Robredo jugarán la final

Juan Carlos Ferrero, Carlos Moyà, Rafael Nadal y Tommy Robredo componen el equipo de España que jugará la final de la Copa Davis contra Estados Unidos, entre los próximos 3 y 5 de diciembre en el estadio de La Cartuja de Sevilla, lo que supone la repetición, por parte del denominado G-3 que forman Juan Bautista Avendaño, Josep Perlas y Jordi Arrese, del equipo que ganó a Francia en las semifinales (4-1) y a Holanda en la anterior eliminatoria de cuartos de final (4-1).

"Es el mejor equipo para la final", dijo Avendaño, en una rueda de prensa junto al presidente de la Real Federación Española de Tenis, Agustín Pujol, en que también anunció que han invitado a Feliciano López y Fernando Verdasco para que acudan como jugadores suplentes.

Además, Guillermo García, compañero de entrenamientos de Ferrero, podría hacer de ´sparring´ del equipo para preparar la final. Los jugadores tienen previsto llegar a Sevilla el viernes 26.

Tanto Avendaño, portavoz del cuerpo técnico, como Arrese y Perlas, se mostraron optimistas ante las opciones de triunfo de España ante Estados Unidos, "a pesar de que el final de año no ha sido muy bueno para nuestros jugadores", como admitió Avendaño, que destacó sin embargo que la final, en casa y sobre tierra batida, no tendrá "nada que ver con lo que han jugado ultimamente", y que España es favorita.

"Jugamos en tierra, en casa y ante unos 23.000 espectadores, y con un equipo que lleva 11 eliminatorias sin perder. Lo tenemos todo para pensar en ganar y somos favoritos, sin ánimo de menospreciar a nadie", subrayó Avendaño, que destacó las "ganas increíbles" de los jugadores, sobre todo de Moyà, dado que fue el gran ausente en la final de 2000 en Barcelona que dio a España su primera y única Copa Davis.

Para Jordi Arrese, sin embargo, no importa quiénes sean los rivales. "Lo más importante es que los nuestros estén al máximo nivel porque son los mejores en tierra batida y, con todo el respeto, no nos debe preocupar lo más mínimo

quién vaya a venir", sentenció.


Ferrero, Moyà, Nadal and Robredo will play the final

Juan Carlos Ferrero, Carlos Moyà, Rafael Nadal and Tommy Robredo will make up the Spanish team that will play the Davis Cup final against the USA between the 3-5 December in the La Cartuja stadium in Seville, which is the same team (chosen by the G3: Juan Bautista Avedaño, Josep Perlas and Jordi Arrese) that beat France in the semis (4-1) and Holland in the previous quarter final tie (4-1).

"It's the best team for the final", said Avedaño in a press conference along with the president of the Royal Spanish Tennis Federation, Agustín Pujol, during which it was also announced that Feliciano López and Fernando Verdasco had been invited to attend as reserve players (hmpf!!).

Besides that, Guillermo García, Ferrero's training partner could do the sparring for the team to prepare for the final. The players are due to arrive in Seville on Friday the 26th.

Avedaño, spokesperson for the technical body, as well as Arrese and Perlas are optimistic of Spain's chances of winning against the USA, "despite the fact that the end of the year hasn't been very good for our players" admitted Avedaño, he also pointed out that the final, at home and on clay, would be "nothing like the way they have been playing recently" and that Spain is the favourite.

"We're playing on clay at home and in front of about 23 000 fans and with a team that hasn't lost in 11 ties (not sure what he means by that?!). We've got everything going for us and we are the favourites, without meaning to underestimate anyone" underlined Avedaño, who mentioned the players' "incredible desire", especially Moyà's, since he was absent in the final in 2000 in Barcelona which gave Spain its one and only Davis Cup title.

For Jordi Arrese, it doesn't matter who their opponents are. "The most important thing is that our guys are at their best because they're the best on clay and, with all due respect, we shouldn't have to worry at all about who's coming (from the US team)"

Iza
11-10-2004, 06:00 AM
DAMN! :mad:
Anyways, good luck for the Spanish team tho in my opinion it is not the strongest team Jordi Arrese could make. :rolleyes:

~EMiLiTA~
11-10-2004, 06:03 AM
haha yeah...at least Feli and Nando are fit

lizabeth..*
11-10-2004, 07:08 AM
I could choke him with his neck brace *throws things*

(I meant that in the nicest possible way)

~EMiLiTA~
11-10-2004, 07:11 AM
I could choke him with his neck brace *throws things*

(I meant that in the nicest possible way)

http://www.mainzelahr.de/smile/froehlich/lol01.gif

I wonder how many other people will actually get that Liz!!!!

lizabeth..*
11-10-2004, 08:15 AM
http://www.mainzelahr.de/smile/froehlich/lol01.gif

I wonder how many other people will actually get that Liz!!!!

*ponders*....Nope....just you! ;)

User id 7816
11-10-2004, 08:33 AM
hmmm.....I suppose Im one of those who didn understand it, does it have some hidden meaning?;)

~EMiLiTA~
11-10-2004, 10:31 AM
*ponders*....Nope....just you! ;)

http://www.mainzelahr.de/smile/froehlich/zwinkern.gif that's what I thought!!!

~EMiLiTA~
11-26-2004, 01:22 PM
a little snippet of DC news: (English at bottom)

“Hemos decidido que vengan también Feliciano López y Fernando Verdasco”, confirmó Avendaño, uno de los miembros del trío de capitanes que completan Josep Perlas y Jordi Arrese.

“Queremos que también estén en Sevilla y que en caso de algún contratiempo puedan ser un recambio”.

"We've decided that Feliciano López and Fernando Verdasco should come too" said Avedaño, one of the members of the trio of captains, the other 2 being Josep Perlas and Jordi Arrese

"We want them to be in Seville too so in case of a mishap, they can be the reserves"

User id 7816
11-27-2004, 12:33 AM
Well surely they got to have them, you never know what may happen, someone gets injured etc, I dont wish nothing alike to anyone, I just hope they will win the cup and Feli and Nando might happen to be the luckiest - joining the fiesta for free! hehehe;)

Chloe le Bopper
11-27-2004, 03:44 AM
I'm a little biased here (big fan of Robredo and Nadal).. but why would Lopez and Verdasco have been a better option at this point? :confused: I recognize that they are both very good singles players who will only get better, and that they form a very effective doubles pairing (so it seems - I haven't actually seen them play) - but can the same not be said for Nadal and Robredo?

Robredo just finished off his best year - his head to head against Roddick aside, I can't see a good reason to leave him off in favour of somebody else. I realize that Nadal is lower ranked than either Lopez or Verdasco, but he's been on the team all year and he's performed for them by finishing off two ties (against Team Novak/ Stepanek and France). Nadal is only ranked so low because of his injury during the clay season.

Or is it that you look at Ferrero's horrible year and think that maybe one of them deserve to make it over him? I can sort of see a point there, but given his history (in DC and on clay), I don't think that leaving him off the team was really an option.

Regardless, I'm not trying to cause a fight here or what have you. I like Lopez and Verdasco, even if they aren't my favourite Spaniards. I'm just curious why some of you are so upset about it and am trying to see the other side so that I can understand better.

Thanks :)

~EMiLiTA~
11-27-2004, 10:59 AM
it was more from the doubles point of view than the singles. since Rafa and Tommy haven't done THAT much better than Feli and Nando...admittedly Nabredo won the doubles in the tie against France but in the other 2 ties, they lost. Both Nabredo and Feli/Nando have won titles this year and at the US Open Nabredo got to the semis and Feli/Nando got to the quarters, both pairs losing to Paes/Rikl so they're quite even...and in fact Feli/Nando are probably in better physical shape than Nabredo. That's just why some people here were a bit peeved lol. I don't mind either way really.

storm923
11-27-2004, 11:53 AM
pero según el periódico El Mundo,dicen que Feli ya estaba en Sevilla,es un mienbro del equipo español

~EMiLiTA~
11-27-2004, 12:00 PM
sip...él y Fernando también han viajado a Sevilla con el equipo español como jugadores suplentes

lizabeth..*
11-27-2004, 12:02 PM
it was more from the doubles point of view than the singles. since Rafa and Tommy haven't done THAT much better than Feli and Nando...admittedly Nabredo won the doubles in the tie against France but in the other 2 ties, they lost. Both Nabredo and Feli/Nando have won titles this year and at the US Open Nabredo got to the semis and Feli/Nando got to the quarters, both pairs losing to Paes/Rikl so they're quite even...and in fact Feli/Nando are probably in better physical shape than Nabredo. That's just why some people here were a bit peeved lol. I don't mind either way really.

Yes.

Chloe le Bopper
11-27-2004, 08:51 PM
it was more from the doubles point of view than the singles. since Rafa and Tommy haven't done THAT much better than Feli and Nando...admittedly Nabredo won the doubles in the tie against France but in the other 2 ties, they lost. Both Nabredo and Feli/Nando have won titles this year and at the US Open Nabredo got to the semis and Feli/Nando got to the quarters, both pairs losing to Paes/Rikl so they're quite even...and in fact Feli/Nando are probably in better physical shape than Nabredo. That's just why some people here were a bit peeved lol. I don't mind either way really.
Yes, but given the condition of Ferrero this year, if Spain needs a back up singles player... they'll probably go to Rafa again. So in that case, it does make sense to bring Robredo/Nadal anyways. I was sort of under the impression that was the entire reason they paired them together anyways - to get Nadal some experience and get him in playing singles when needed.

Besides, they weren't that close in the doubles race (16th vs 27th). Nadal/Robredo still had 100 points on them. Mind you, I suppose that could be in part due to the fact that Robredo and Nadal played together since January. But still... Lopez and Verdasco were 11-6 in 7 events (64% winning percentage). Robredo and Nadal were 17-8 in 9 events (68% winning percentage).

I'm not sure that there even is a winning argument for Lopez/Verdasco over Robredo/Nadal in doubles. Is it close? Sure. Is it worth consideration? Definitely. But should they be there over those two based on doubles credentials? Not IMO, not based on the stats. (Robredo/Nadal even had the better win: Nestor/Knowles vs Llordra/Santoro for L/V)

Besides, it's not just about doubles, as I already said. The doubles players are defacto back up singles players, so there was more to consider than just doubles credentials.

Don't take this the wrong way - I would LOVE to see these two on the Davis Cup team next year, and in years to come. No doubt in my mind that they will be there soon enough. Hell, if it wasn't for Lopez Spain wouldn't be in the finals:p Even if it's occasionally at the expense of people that I like a teensy bit more, I'll be happy to see them :p But right now? It wouldn't have made much sense to put them ahead of Nadal/Robredo.

I'm finished now. Feel free to flame me :p:D

storm923
11-28-2004, 02:33 AM
pueden decirme unos websites españoles de tennis :worship:

I♥PsY@Mus!c
11-28-2004, 05:11 AM
Huge thanks for Rebecca's objective explanation! :yeah:

~EMiLiTA~
11-28-2004, 11:30 AM
Rebecca, I agree with what you said about the singles factor. In that sense it is better to have Rafa (and Tommy) in the team in case they're needed for singles...Rafa could well have to play on Sunday

loret
11-28-2004, 06:30 PM
Yes, yes. Tommy and Rafa have more experience in a Davis Cup setting should either one have to play singles. I like Feli/Nando too but I just don't think they are quite there yet.

~EMiLiTA~
11-29-2004, 05:23 AM
yeah...although Feli was in the final last year...admittedly not with Nando

Action Jackson
11-29-2004, 05:30 AM
Feli will be a feature of the Spanish team especially when it's for fastcourt ties and his role has been important this year to Spain getting through to the final, but I can see why the captains overlooked him for the final as disappointing as it is for him.

Chloe le Bopper
12-02-2004, 12:51 AM
There are lots of pictures of them there practicing and supporting the team :D

~EMiLiTA~
12-02-2004, 12:54 PM
yeah! I saw a bit of footage on the Spanish news too...Feli especially looks like he's having a ball!

lizabeth..*
12-02-2004, 07:26 PM
...Feli especially looks like he's having a ball!

Does he have cheer sticks?! :)

Iza
12-03-2004, 08:57 AM
it's good that the atmosphere in the team is a good one. the americans seem very close knit so a good team spirit is vital.

:clap2: 4 Rebecca and her's super-explanation :kiss:!

~EMiLiTA~
12-03-2004, 11:18 AM
Does he have cheer sticks?! :)

errr......no :lol:

User id 7816
12-03-2004, 06:58 PM
isnt it so sweeet the pic!!:)

I wonder, after Rafa's great performance today, if he wont be a bit tired tomorrow. I really hope not, but the :devil: gets to me every now and then and I start to wish Feli and Nando cud play....:smash: me hehe

freesbee
12-03-2004, 10:03 PM
OMG they look so cute! :hearts:

User id 7816
12-03-2004, 10:28 PM
yeah......I already have that pic as an avatar on another board.... :angel:

~EMiLiTA~
12-04-2004, 11:12 AM
I read on a Spanish website that Rafa had cramps in his match during the third set and that the team has up to an hour before the match to change the pair for the doubles...I wonder why they said that? They can't put Feli and Nando in now can they? If they had to leave Rafa out to rest, who would they put? JC and Tommy?

Iza
12-09-2004, 11:01 AM
what a lovely pic :)