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^Sue^
11-08-2004, 10:27 AM
I CAN'T BELIEVE HE'S IN THE TMC..IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ANDRE AGASSI SEAT!OR DAVID NALBANDIAN!
He is a lucky player! :cool:

Horatio Caine
11-08-2004, 10:30 AM
Sorry to be petty but the name is spelt wrong.

WyveN
11-08-2004, 10:32 AM
So lucky that anyone except Federer would swap their 2004 for his. Go Glaudio!

BTW we talking about Gaudio or Gladiators?

Horatio Caine
11-08-2004, 10:33 AM
So lucky that anyone except Federer would swap their 2004 for his. Go Glaudio!

:haha: :haha:

bad gambler
11-08-2004, 10:35 AM
this talk about gaudio being "lucky" is ridiculous. i'm not a fan of the guy however fact that he won a grand slam which many players will not do in their lifetime would suggest he has to be a good player.

u make your own luck and it was not his fault that coria started cramping in the final. yes it would have been great to see nalby or agassi in the masters cup instead of him but u can't begrudge him of his place.

Horatio Caine
11-08-2004, 10:39 AM
this talk about gaudio being "lucky" is ridiculous. i'm not a fan of the guy however fact that he won a grand slam which many players will not do in their lifetime would suggest he has to be a good player.

u make your own luck and it was not his fault that coria started cramping in the final. yes it would have been great to see nalby or agassi in the masters cup instead of him but u can't begrudge him of his place.

Quite right! Besides, it adds a bit of extra fun anyway. There is a real underdog in the MC and he has no pressure to win, just as in Roland Garros and look what he did there! :) Besides, on a good day he is capable of beating some of that field, hell...even Federer if he hasn't recovered well from his injury.

Vass
11-08-2004, 10:39 AM
relatively good, and luck.

hitchhiker
11-08-2004, 10:40 AM
how dare glauudio take place of agassi in houston in what is great mans last chance to play in this cup.

i will be in houston booing gaston until i pass out

CooCooCachoo
11-08-2004, 10:41 AM
I CAN'T BELIEVE HE'S IN THE TMC..IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ANDRE AGASSI SEAT!OR DAVID NALBANDIAN!
He is a lucky player! :cool:

He was so lucky to win Roland Garros :cuckoo: Agassi was much better this season. He surely deserves that spot more, losing to Haehnel :cuckoo:

Vass
11-08-2004, 10:42 AM
how dare glauudio take place of agassi in houston in what is great mans last chance to play in this cup.

i will be in houston booing gaston until i pass out
I'm sure you're welcome to do it! Go ahead and :shout: until you :timebomb: . No one will be harmed, but you.

tennisman.
11-08-2004, 10:43 AM
You have to be good if you win a slam,but i think Gaudio is still very lucky.
Only reason why he won RG is becouse Coria got injured in the final

Neely
11-08-2004, 10:43 AM
I rate Gaudio like the following:
very very very very good player on clay
bad player on any other surface than clay (he has yet to get good results away from clay and string a few wins together)

WyveN
11-08-2004, 10:43 AM
how dare glauudio take place of agassi in houston in what is great mans last chance to play in this cup.

i will be in houston booing gaston until i pass out

We have a exclusive MTF preview of how Jim Mac will treat Gaudio.

CooCooCachoo
11-08-2004, 10:46 AM
We have a exclusive MTF preview of how Jim Mac will treat Gaudio.

Aren't we the lucky bunch :)

sigmagirl91
11-08-2004, 10:49 AM
We have a exclusive MTF preview of how Jim Mac will treat Gaudio.

Anything less than shitting the lumberyard will be a big disappointment. :o

sigmagirl91
11-08-2004, 10:50 AM
Aside from the piss-poor spelling, what's the point in this thread?

Horatio Caine
11-08-2004, 10:50 AM
We have a exclusive MTF preview of how Jim Mac will treat Gaudio.

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

He was probably saying his prayers the other day that a certain long-haired, chubby Argentine who has a habit of troubling Roddick and likes to wear orange clothes, doesn't arrive as alternate this year! Particularly as he claimed, quite rightly, that the tournament was biased against him, in particular when he played Agassi in the 3rd RR match! Therefore, maybe Mac will be nice and hospitible to Gaston because he sees him as a significantly smaller threat, both in terms of playing ability and stature! :lol:

Horatio Caine
11-08-2004, 10:52 AM
Aside from the piss-poor spelling, what's the point in this thread?

To slag off idiots that haven't a clue what they're talking about? :haha:

Horatio Caine
11-08-2004, 10:53 AM
Anything less than shitting the lumberyard will be a big disappointment. :o

:haha: :haha:

Fergie
11-08-2004, 11:34 AM
You have to be good if you win a slam,but i think Gaudio is still very lucky.
Only reason why he won RG is becouse Coria got injured in the final

Coria wasn't injured, he just became nervous and got cramped (silly Coria :tape: )

joeb_uk
11-08-2004, 11:39 AM
just a quick article on cramps (gssiweb.com)

First, understand what causes cramping. Muscle fatigue, salt loss, and dehydration ? all three acting together - play a role in muscle cramping. Consider this: on a hot day a 250 lb-football player can easily lose as much as one gallon of sweat in the course of a game. In losing that much sweat, the player can also lose enough sodium chloride to equal 2 to 3 teaspoons of table salt. Compared to the trivial loses of potassium, calcium, and magnesium in sweat, the loss of sodium can be huge.

The Loss of Sodium

Why worry about losing sodium? Sodium is key not only to maintain blood volume but also to help nerves fire and muscles work. Sodium depletion short-circuits the coordination of nerves and muscles as muscles contract and relax. The result can be muscle cramping. Players most prone to disabling whole-body cramps are those most lean and fit, intense and explosive at their position, who take many reps in the heat, sweat early and heavily, and cake with salt.

So the first line of defense against cramping is to encourage your athletes to consume more salt and drink enough of the right fluids.

A Balanced Diet

Set the tone for the team by advocating a balanced diet and recommending the best beverages for athletes before, during and even after the dog days of summer. Popular foods rich in sodium include tomato juice, canned baked beans, dill pickles, pretzels, canned soups, and cheese pizza.

Hydration Options

Options for hydration include various sports drinks and bottled waters, all claiming to help athletes reach peak performance. In hot and sweaty weather, it is vital that athletes choose the right fluids to stay hydrated and maintain a healthy balance of electrolytes, most importantly sodium, to help prevent muscle cramping. Sports drinks taste good, which encourages players to keep drinking, and contain sodium (Gatorade thirst quencher has 110 mg in 8 oz) to help fend off muscle cramping. Water, which contains almost no sodium, is not the best choice as your only drink in hot, humid playing conditions.

Myths on Preventing Muscle Cramping

And then there are the myths. Some coaches have used super-salty sources like pickle juice, mustard and even antacids as quick, on-field "fixes" for sodium-related muscle cramping. There is no scientific evidence to support these remedies and, in most cases, they provide too much salt and not enough fluid.

For most players, a balanced diet containing some salty foods and proper hydration with a sports drink will suffice to stave off cramping. For those who are prone to severe muscle cramps or who are "salty sweaters" ? that may not be enough. Players with extreme cramps need even more sodium which they can get by adding ¼ teaspoon salt to a 16 to 20 oz beverage.

Preventing heat cramps is all about what players put in their body. Keep them well hydrated and replace sodium and other electrolytes and you?ll keep them in the game.

Fedex
11-08-2004, 11:40 AM
We have a exclusive MTF preview of how Jim Mac will treat Gaudio.
:lol:

joeb_uk
11-08-2004, 11:41 AM
Heat Cramps
Heat-related muscle cramps (heat cramps) often occur during prolonged exercise when there has been profuse and repeated sweating. Such is often the case in a football game, a triathlon, cycling race, or tennis tournament, especially in the later stages of the event (Bergeron, 1996). To completely restore body fluids, the salt lost through sweating must be replenished as well as the water (Maughan et al., 1997; Nose et al., 1988). Otherwise, a progressive and significant deficit of body water and sodium can develop. If this happens, selected motor nerve endings might become hyperexcitable due to altered mechanical stresses on the nerve endings as well as changes in the surrounding concentrations of electrolytes (Jansen et al., 1990; Layzer, 1994), resulting in seemingly spontaneous muscle contractions (i.e., cramps). Importantly, a deficit in total body sodium is often not reflected in measurements of sodium concentration in blood serum or plasma (Vaamonde, 1982). During and immediately after exercise, serum sodium concentration might be normal or slightly elevated, owing to secretion of sweat that has a relatively low concentration of sodium, reduced sodium excretion by the kidneys, and only small reductions in plasma volume. Otherwise, even if serum sodium decreases somewhat, as soon as an athlete has a chance to rehydrate and replace electrolytes, the concentration of sodium in the blood is typically normalized quite rapidly. This explains why players who suffer cramps on the court or on the field often do not exhibit abnormal electrolytes in follow-up evaluations by physicians.

So why don't more athletes cramp when they exercise for a long time or compete in several events during the same day? The key seems to be related to individual differences in sodium balance. Those who are susceptible to (and are often afflicted by) heat cramps sweat considerably, lose an extensive amount of sodium and chloride through sweating, and typically have a relatively low (or at least inadequate) daily dietary salt intake (Bergeron, 1996; Kleiner, 1993). Deficiencies in other minerals, e.g., calcium, magnesium, and potassium, can also cause muscle cramps and various neuromotor problems (Benda, 1989; Eaton, 1989; Levin, 1993; Liu et al., 1983; Miles & Clarkson, 1994; O'Toole et al., 1993-95; Stamford, 1993). But a lack of one or more of these minerals is typically not the culprit when an athlete has cramps in the heat. Insufficient conditioning and fatigue can cause a muscle cramp (Bentley, 1996; Schwellnus et al., 1997; Williamson et al., 1993), but the cramp is usually localized, and passive stretching, massage, or icing can often resolve it. Such is not the case with heat cramps. Immediate fluid and salt intake (orally or intravenously) is necessary. Does this mean that all athletes should load up on salt? For many, extra salt intake is appropriate when competing or training in hot conditions or any time that sweating is expected to be extensive (see Practical Applications and Guidelines below). For cramp-prone athletes, extra salt intake may well be a necessity.

joeb_uk
11-08-2004, 11:42 AM
so in other words, its corias fault! having kidney stones because of his lack of hydration also indicates this

*Ljubica*
11-08-2004, 12:13 PM
Gaudio is a Grand Slam winner and has every right to be in TMC. Of course I would like David to be there, but having missed half the year with injuries, I am more than happy that he ended the year at Number 9 (a huge achievement in the circumstances) and don't begrudge Gaston being there in place of him at all. As for Agassi - he either didn't play enough tournaments and/or didn't get good enough results to be at TMC - that's the truth - plain and simple. And for (hopefully) the LAST time - Gaudio did not get "lucky" and did not win Roland Garros because Coria was injured - Coria wasn't injured - he got cramps - as joeb has explained that is a totally different thing. Good luck to Gaudio.

And as for our friendly troll HH - beneath contempt and definately not worth wasting my time writing an answer to his/her puerile comments :angel:

Choupi
11-08-2004, 12:24 PM
how dare glauudio take place of agassi in houston in what is great mans last chance to play in this cup.

i will be in houston booing gaston until i pass out

If you don't have anything more intelligent to do with your time, that's your business! :mad: :fiery:

RonE
11-08-2004, 01:00 PM
So many people are writing Gaudio off, I have a gut feeling he will surprise everyone and have a really good run in Houston.

Horatio Caine
11-08-2004, 01:08 PM
So many people are writing Gaudio off, I have a gut feeling he will surprise everyone and have a really good run in Houston.

I second you on that one...along with my gut feeling that Federer won't win and Coria might win a match or two or three....By the way, this is not a sarcastic comment.

RonE
11-08-2004, 01:26 PM
I second you on that one...along with my gut feeling that Federer won't win and Coria might win a match or two or three....By the way, this is not a sarcastic comment.

Yes, I agree with you there- as much as I want him to, I also have a gut feeling Federer won't win it. Hope he proves me wrong....

Pea
11-08-2004, 01:29 PM
Poor Gaston. Prove em wrong.;)

Horatio Caine
11-08-2004, 01:31 PM
Yes, I agree with you there- as much as I want him to, I also have a gut feeling Federer won't win it. Hope he proves me wrong....

...I don't! Roger is a nice guy who i totally respect but i don't want him to win, for the good of the game next year. Otherwise he'll have too big a lead at the top. It's about time Tim had a good run now! Paris '-03, Indian Wells '04, Roland Garros '04 and US Open '04. All of these have a fairly equal spacing so the Master'c Cup is about the right time and place. :)

MissPovaFan
11-08-2004, 01:47 PM
Gaudio is an excellent player on clay but is not too hot elsewhere but the same can be said about the likes of Roddick who is useless on clay! I think Gaudio deserves to be in due to his excellent year. Agassi is still the better player I feel but not by that much.

Daniel
11-08-2004, 01:48 PM
Roger and Gaston :hug: :D

Horatio Caine
11-08-2004, 01:54 PM
I think Gaudio deserves to be in due to his excellent year. Agassi is still the better player I feel but not by that much.

Quite right! Nobody gets to the Master's Cup by right by not deserving to get there even if they are a Grand Slam winner ranked 20th. The point is that in Gaston's case he beat some great players IN A ROW to win RG (Hewitt, Nalbandian, Coria) and he deserved that title even though he won't win a GS again i wouldn't think. It isn't his fault that Coria choked and cramped and whinged and cried his way to defeat. Gaston should be commended for remaining positive in that final after such a humiliating start in winning only 3 games in 2 sets. So all his critics - SHUT UP!

And to prove my point - he reached 3 SUCCESSIVE large claycourt finals in the 2nd clay season which boosted his points by 100. Now are you going to say he doesn't deserve his place?

victory1
11-08-2004, 03:56 PM
It's not that easy to win a slam, if that's the case Henman would have won one by now. I say Glaudio winning a slam is completely deserves his place at the Masters. ;) All the players would have loved to win a slam this year, too bad that Roger was selfish (he did not want to share ;) :D ).

User id 7816
11-08-2004, 05:54 PM
GLAUDIO????????????.....Can't you spell one 6-letter name correctly?????.......:fiery:

Yeah, I suppose Gaston was very lucky to beat Canas, Hewitt, Nalbandian and Coria in a row, really, thats nothing but luck. :cuckoo:

I will tell you, if Gaston doesn't win a Grand Slam again, it will be only because it may not be his priority. If the guy doesn't really have the goal to win say RG again, then no, he won't. Me, being his follower, highly hope this won't be the case, but if he has other goals then that's how it will be.

As for the TMC, he has a chance, do you think Coria has a bigger chance?? I don't think so. If Gaston is in good mood (important) and remembers who he is, then he might pull off something and shup up the mouth of all critics for good.

:cool:

Crazy_Fool
11-08-2004, 06:12 PM
Whether he is lucky or not, its really not the point. Fact is he won a grand slam, which is a damn hard thing to do. Ok, so alot of things fell into place for him in Paris, but he took advantage of the situation, and deserves to be here. I'm not sure he'll prove a threat, but we'll see.

Fedex
11-09-2004, 01:11 AM
Ah, but of course he is a 'lucky' player. :rolleyes:

Fedex
11-09-2004, 01:14 AM
I'm sorry, but if you win a slam, and have good results throughout most of the year, how is that luck??

Chloe le Bopper
11-09-2004, 02:11 AM
Kick ass, Glaudio!

Action Jackson
11-09-2004, 05:08 AM
Only reason why he won RG is becouse Coria got injured in the final

Ok, clown here it is again. Cramp is not an injury, what is cramp it is not an injury, do you understand this?

How do I base this conclusion. Cramp is the tightening of the muscles, which is a loss of physical conditioning which can be bought on by a few things.

A) Not enough salt in the body leaving through physical exertion, that's why electrolytes are used to replace these the loss sodium and if it's insufficently done so, that leads to cramps.

B) Here is the one that effected Coria, as anxiety and nerves can cause the muscles causing them to cramp, and as Coria got closer towards the end of the 3rd set and seeing the finish line coming towards him. He failed to handle the respective situation and was too anxious and that effected him negatively in the match, which caused him to cramp.

Call me stupid, but since when hasn't outstanding physical conditioning and being prepared to play as long as it takes to a wiin a match, not being a thing of importance in a sport that requires endurance as well as speed.

Action Jackson
11-09-2004, 05:12 AM
We have a exclusive MTF preview of how Jim Mac will treat Gaudio.

What a wonderful preview we have already.

hitchhiker
11-09-2004, 05:20 AM
have a cry everyone. championships is to see the best players not clay court bred no hopers. Gaudio just does not belong there, he is out of his depth and its obvious to most tennis knowledgeable people.

i am going to appeal to atp for them to change qualifying rules, this is a joke and most non gaudio fans know it.

Action Jackson
11-09-2004, 05:29 AM
have a cry everyone. championships is to see the best players not clay court bred no hopers. Gaudio just does not belong there, he is out of his depth and its obvious to most tennis knowledgeable people.

i am going to appeal to atp for them to change qualifying rules, this is a joke and most non gaudio fans know it.

Ok, how much is Jim paying you to be here? I am not going to appeal your presence here at all, as you are of the funniest posters this place has ever seen.

As for knowledgeable posters or people in tennis, since when have you ever been classified as one of them.

Yes, your famous Roddick boasting during Wimbledon and what he was going to do to Federer in the final was one termianlly brilliant piece of analysis.

hitchhiker
11-09-2004, 05:33 AM
As for knowledgeable posters or people in tennis, since when have you ever been classified as one of them.

Yes, your famous Roddick boasting during Wimbledon and what he was going to do to Federer in the final was one termianlly brilliant piece of analysis.

there were independent variables that ruined my theories. my systems could not predict rain, the luck went Federer way.

When there are no external factor I strike out only once in 15 predictions.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-09-2004, 05:36 AM
there were independent variables that ruined my theories. my systems could not predict rain, the luck went Federer way.

When there are no external factor I strike out only once in 15 predictions.

So you operated on a mathematical theory then? It's not like card counting in blackjack you know?

You don't predict rain in Wimbledon, there you go you have proved GWH correct.

The luck went Federer's way, isn't there something called taking your chances. The Duck had the chance but was not good enough to take it.

Then what happened you hitchhiked out of here quick smart.

hitchhiker
11-09-2004, 05:44 AM
So you operated on a mathematical theory then? It's not like card counting in blackjack you know?


I operated on my brain


You don't predict rain in Wimbledon, there you go you have proved GWH correct.


its not about rain its about psychological responce, i only know about tennis. They need to spend 30 mins with me for me to know how they function mentally.


The luck went Federer's way, isn't there something called taking your chances. The Duck had the chance but was not good enough to take it.


luck as well, some shots missed by a cm. roddick lost battle but he will win war.


gaudio does not deserve place among world best on this surface. if it was on clay roddick/agassi would not deserve place on this years performance.
gaudio has not won 5 matches outside clay all year.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-09-2004, 05:52 AM
I operated on my brain.

If you operated on your brain, then wouldn't have all the variables came into play or at least been considered?

its not about rain its about psychological responce, i only know about tennis. They need to spend 30 mins with me for me to know how they function mentally.

I just laugh my head off within 5 mins of reading some of your theories. So what is it wise one, that you have to offer, that everyone has seemed to miss it?

luck as well, some shots missed by a cm. roddick lost battle but he will win war.

Who is the Wimbledon champion of 2004? What war are you talking about? Tennis is not a war, but you are a very humorous individual, so keep going.

gaudio does not deserve place among world best on this surface. if it was on clay roddick/agassi would not deserve place on this years performance.
gaudio has not won 5 matches outside clay all year.

There are a lot of people who don't deserve to be on the planet, but they are still living and taking valuable air, but it's against the law to wipe them out, and Gaudio hasn't broken any regulations and has done something the 6 other TMC players haven't done this year.

It's not on clay is it? Just keep booing, I want to here you through the TV, it will make TMC worth watching.

Kristen
11-09-2004, 05:54 AM
Let us know the ATP's reaction to your appeals sweetie :kiss:
Maybe the ATP can arrange some sort of intervention to bring you back to reality :hug:

Action Jackson
11-09-2004, 06:17 AM
Yes, Glaudio is a very lucky player, as he is an Argentine who won a Slam and he was lucky that he passed his drug tests as everyone in the tennis world thinks that all Argentines are doped up.

Therefore Glaudio was lucky on two counts winning a Slam and passing his test.

WyveN
11-09-2004, 07:10 AM
I operated on my brain


This explains a lot, next time I suggest asking a third party to do it.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-09-2004, 07:15 AM
I operated on my brain.

I would sue the surgeon that did the operation. Though I am sure there are laws in the USA where you can sue yourself for damages.

G O
11-09-2004, 07:19 AM
More or less Hitch is right.

It's a joke that a guy who failed to advance beyond the third round in a hard court event can qualify for TMC. Any neutral person can see that he was lucky to win RG. Gaudio played the worst I think I have ever seen anyone play to win a GS. All Ya'll Gaudio fans out there are a joke, he didn't win Coria lost.

If you can't put together some decent results on surfaces other than clay you don't belong in TMC, it's that simple.

All the other seven who qualified were preparing for Wimbledon. Meanwhile Gaudio decides to skip it this time;) so he can play a bunch of small ISG clay court events. He made three consecutive finals while everyone who matters were in the middle of the grass season or on break resting up for the summer grind.

Basically he knew he wasn't going to do shit in the USO Series, so he decided while still high on confidence to go and collect as much money and points as he could. A good number of his points came as result of his hot streak following RG in a bunch of ISG events against low ranked or coming off injury players. WOW good job Gaudio. Now that's what I call a deserving TMC qualifier.

But there's hope for him in Houston, he'll could do well. He'll be hungry (I hope) to show people he's more than a lucky, opportunistic dirt baller. And I'm sure, knowing him, he take full advantage of the others being tired and or burned out. Go Gaudio!

WyveN
11-09-2004, 07:20 AM
I would sue the surgeon that did the operation.

I think he did it himself.

WyveN
11-09-2004, 07:26 AM
GO, you have a long way to go before you can troll as well as hitchhiker. I suggest you give up.

Vass
11-09-2004, 07:27 AM
All of the people are saying that winning a Grand Slam is a very hard thing to do, and hence he deserves to play in Masters... I don't disagree on how hard it is to win a Slam but let's look at it this way: it seems that getting enough points is harder than winning a GS (otherwise Gaudio would have done it, no?). SO, players who did the harder thing deserve to play, i.e. the guys who got top-8 points.

People who are consistent on all surfaces, get the top-8 points. Gauodio is not one of them. If he played decently on all surfaces, he would have got the feel of playing on a neutral surface too. Playing Masters is no use for him, because playing an a ralatively 'neutral' surface, he'll lose every match.

G O
11-09-2004, 07:30 AM
GO, you have a long way to go before you can troll as well as hitchhiker. I suggest you give up.

What took you so long. I was hoping my stalker friend whould break his/her record this time.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-09-2004, 07:31 AM
More or less Hitch is right.

It's a joke that a guy who failed to advance beyond the third round in a hard court event can qualify for TMC. Any neutral person can see that he was lucky to win RG. Gaudio played the worst I think I have ever seen anyone play to win a GS. All Ya'll Gaudio fans out there are a joke, he didn't win Coria lost.

Are you bored or did you go the same medical school that declares cramp an injury? Then again physical endurance isn't part of the game and it's a particular players fault that they managed to be fitter in the match that counted.

I see you had amnesia for the other 6 matches of the tournament. Not every person plays their best matches in final, did Federer play his best match of Wimbledon in the final of 2004?

If you can't put together some decent results on surfaces other than clay you don't belong in TMC, it's that simple.

Never stopped Roddick from getting the majority of his results on one surface, not that I have a problem with him being there at TMC.

All the other seven who qualified were preparing for Wimbledon. Meanwhile Gaudio decides to skip it this time;)

Considering he hasn't had a history of skipping Wimbledon, and why play if a player is injured.


Basically he knew he wasn't going to do shit in the USO Series, so he decided while still high on confidence to go and collect as much money and points as he could. A good number of his points came as result of his hot streak following RG in a bunch of ISG events against low ranked or coming off injury players. WOW good job Gaudio. Now that's what I call a deserving TMC qualifier.

Why should he play the US Open series? Does he give a crap about the US Open series? No, has he ever played those events instead of the summer clay events? Considering that most of the top claycourt players have traditionally played these summer clay events barring injury, then that point doesn't hold water.

Stuttgart and Kitzbhuel actually have more money than the equivalent events that they were playing in the US. Criticise other players who piss on the European clay season before the French Open, then your points would be valid.

But there's hope for him in Houston, he'll could do well. He'll be hungry (I hope) to show people he's more than a lucky, opportunistic dirt baller. And I'm sure, knowing him, he take full advantage of the others being tired and or burned out. Go Gaudio!

Good to see nothing has changed with you and how is the media life treating you then?

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-09-2004, 07:34 AM
All of the people are saying that winning a Grand Slam is a very hard thing to do, and hence he deserves to play in Masters... I don't disagree on how hard it is to win a Slam but let's look at it this way: it seems that getting enough points is harder than winning a GS (otherwise Gaudio would have done it, no?). SO, players who did the harder thing deserve to play, i.e. the guys who got top-8 points.

So you would rather have someone that plays easy events and wins them and has average to middle ranking Slam performances and two TMS finals get in cause they played enough events and won enough optionals to get in then, instead of someone winning the toughest Slam to win or a Slam.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-09-2004, 07:36 AM
GO, you have a long way to go before you can troll as well as hitchhiker. I suggest you give up.

hitchhiker should give lessons in the art of trolling.

G O
11-09-2004, 07:36 AM
Roddick plays hard courts. That's a neutral surface, maybe you've heard.

Did you know there are aprox. twice as many harc court events as there are clay. Hmmm..think about that one.

And thanks for asking. I'm on break right now.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-09-2004, 07:39 AM
Roddick plays hard courts. That's a neutral surface, maybe you've heard.

I am disappointed I had high hopes you could have a better comeback than that. Stay in your own country and continent and play hardcourt events, and you might have figured that there are different speeds of hardcourts and in theory it supposed to be neutral, but that isn't always the cause.

Did you know there are aprox. twice as many harc court events as there are clay. Hmmm..think about that one.

There is a world outside the US think about it. Not everyone should or has to give a crap about the US Open series.

And thanks for asking. I'm on break right now.

Didn't know you got holidays from the school newspaper.

G O
11-09-2004, 07:44 AM
I am disappointed I had high hopes you could have a better comeback than that. Stay in your own country and continent and play hardcourt events, and you might have figured that there are different speeds of hardcourts and in theory it supposed to be neutral, but that isn't always the cause.



There is a world outside the US think about it. Not everyone should or has to give a crap about the US Open series.



Didn't know you got holidays from the school newspaper.


Roddick wins on all hard courts. I'm not understanding you dude :scratch:

US Open series is a very important section of the ATP tour. If a player doens't give a crap about it do they deserve to make the TMC? I say no. My baised America hating friend here says yes.

laselva
11-09-2004, 07:45 AM
To win a slam you have to be good and sometimes lucky.
Viva la clay season.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-09-2004, 07:52 AM
Roddick wins on all hard courts. I'm not understanding you dude :scratch:

Roddick gets his results on hardcourts and on grass, not that there is a problem with him not deserving his place in the TMC. Does he give a crap about the claycourt events? No, he doesn't have to. He can avoid all of them and still make the TMC on the back of hardcourt results.

US Open series is a very important section of the ATP tour. If a player doens't give a crap about it do they deserve to make the TMC? I say no. My baised America hating friend here says yes

How is it important? It's just a marketing name for the same events, and a way to increase revenue for the USTA. This year it worked and good for them and if it brings improved TV coverage then that's a benefit.

Does this mean every player should give a shit about it? No, the only events they need to worry about the TMS events and the US Open and what's more important doing well in these three events or winning the overall US Open series.

You are not being serious, but highly amusing.

G O
11-09-2004, 08:03 AM
Roddick gets his results on hardcourts and on grass, not that there is a problem with him not deserving his place in the TMC. Does he give a crap about the claycourt events? No, he doesn't have to. He can avoid all of them and still make the TMC on the back of hardcourt results.



How is it important? It's just a marketing name for the same events, and a way to increase revenue for the USTA. This year it worked and good for them and if it brings improved TV coverage then that's a benefit.

Does this mean every player should give a shit about it? No, the only events they need to worry about the TMS events and the US Open and what's more important doing well in these three events or winning the overall US Open series.

You are not being serious, but highly amusing.


Well, you are eqaully amussing because I agree with above.When I speak of The US Open YAY Series what I'm talking about is TMS and US Open. Maybe I should have said that, then again maybe you shouldn't assume i'm a pro American loser.

Now can I suggest you be a little, slightly, carefully, cautious when reading my posts. They look stupid, but there's more to them than meets the brain.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-09-2004, 08:08 AM
Well, you are eqaully amussing because I agree with above.When I speak of The US Open YAY Series what I'm talking about is TMS and US Open. Maybe I should have said that, then again maybe you shouldn't assume i'm a pro American loser.

The US Open series doesn't just include those 3 events, it's all the other small events before it and the three that truly count most of the players if they were fit played these events irrespective of surface preference.

Now can I suggest you be a little, slightly, carefully, cautious when reading my posts. They look stupid, but there's more to them than meets the brain.

I don't have to assume about you being a pro American loser, just a lover of all things Argentine. I take your posts for what they are worth, no more and no less, but as long as I am entertained then it's not all bad.

RonJeremy
11-09-2004, 08:18 AM
Glaudio was so lucky it's a sad state of affairs that this guy could be a tennis player.

Yes, he cheated to win the French Open, he made Coria cramp and it was his fault that he made the TMC this year, and yet when in 2002 both Johansson and Costa made it by the same ruling there wasn't the outrage.

Horatio Caine
11-09-2004, 08:30 AM
I operated on my brain

I think you obviously removed most of it during surgery :rolleyes:

Horatio Caine
11-09-2004, 08:36 AM
Now can I suggest you be a little, slightly, carefully, cautious when reading my posts. They look stupid, but there's more to them than meets the brain.

That would be "than meets the eye" because when i look at them i don't bother to think about your logic.....or lack of it.

FryslanBoppe
11-09-2004, 08:38 AM
Now can I suggest you be a little, slightly, carefully, cautious when reading my posts. They look stupid, but there's more to them than meets the brain.

I am always cautious when I read your posts, mainly because I don't want to have a heart attack from reading your latest pearls of wisdom.

WyveN
11-09-2004, 08:58 AM
I don't disagree on how hard it is to win a Slam but let's look at it this way: it seems that getting enough points is harder than winning a GS (otherwise Gaudio would have done it, no?). SO, players who did the harder thing deserve to play, i.e. the guys who got top-8 points.


Reading this stuff gives me a headache. If we count everyone in the open era, do you think more people have won a slam or reached the top 8?

If winning a slam is easier then getting to the top 8 then how come Safin hasn't won a slam for 4 years?

Why is Moya's last slam more then 6 years ago despite him almost always being in the top 8?

Do you think Berasategius or Schuettler's efforts last year were superior to a slam victory?

FryslanBoppe
11-09-2004, 09:00 AM
Moya hasn't come close to a Slam victory since that day in 1998, but somehow rates higher than winning a Slam, because of a higher ranking.

FryslanBoppe
11-09-2004, 09:02 AM
Glaudio was so lucky it's a sad state of affairs that this guy could be a tennis player.

Yes, he cheated to win the French Open, he made Coria cramp and it was his fault that he made the TMC this year, and yet when in 2002 both Johansson and Costa made it by the same ruling there wasn't the outrage.

That last sentence is very apt, and the perceived problems with the fact that both Johansson and Costa (alternate) made the TMS while finishing outside the 8 isn't something that has been brought up.

It's not like this rule is a new one.

WyveN
11-09-2004, 09:04 AM
If reaching the top 8 is above winning a slam then Rusedski could just about qualify for the hall of fame.

FryslanBoppe
11-09-2004, 09:07 AM
Miloslav Mecir is another one who would walk into that hall of Fame as well.

G O
11-09-2004, 09:12 AM
If reaching the top 8 is above winning a slam then Rusedski could just about qualify for the hall of fame.


Dear stalker,

Tell me if I'm wrong. Your saying that as long as someones wins a slam they are worthy of qualification for TMC? Yes or no is fine.

You are aware Gaudio did just that and little more.

WyveN
11-09-2004, 09:14 AM
Tell me if I'm wrong. Your saying that as long as someones wins a slam they are worthy of qualification for TMC? Yes or no is fine.


Yes, even if they lose each match 6-0 6-0. Slams + DC are what the season is primarily about and what all players try to peak for and success should be rewarded for a slam victory.

The players know this and that is why none of them complain about Gaudio potentially taking Agassi's place for example.

FryslanBoppe
11-09-2004, 09:15 AM
G O, go whine and submit your application to the ATP and give valid reasons why the rule should be changed.

Once you have done that, please publish the results of your request, as the tennis world well this section of it would be interested into hearing how it went.

FryslanBoppe
11-09-2004, 09:16 AM
Gaudio won 1 Slam and made 4 other finals. Moya won a TMS, didn't have great Slam results, won optionals and secured his spot and deserves to be there.

G O
11-09-2004, 09:22 AM
Yes, even if they lose each match 6-0 6-0. Slams + DC are what the season is primarily about and what all players try to peak for and success should be rewarded for a slam victory.

The players know this and that is why none of them complain about Gaudio potentially taking Agassi's place for example.


Fine. That's all I wanted to know. You have yours and I have mine. I don't like the system where a surface specialist can accumulate points playing just clay events. I give Roddick a break on this one simply because he plays well on hard courts. If Gaudio were to clay what Andy is to hard then maybe I would consider letting him off the hook. Remember there are around 45 hard and only twenty uhhh three clay.

Now for you finally responding to me without instults (though I do welcome them keep them coming) I'm going to boost your rating :woohoo: These little smile things are neat arn't they?

G O
11-09-2004, 09:25 AM
G O, go whine and submit your application to the ATP and give valid reasons why the rule should be changed.

Once you have done that, please publish the results of your request, as the tennis world well this section of it would be interested into hearing how it went.


:nerner:

FryslanBoppe
11-09-2004, 09:26 AM
:nerner:

So do you have the courage to do it or not?

Good to see your sanctimonious bias hasn't changed after all this time.

WyveN
11-09-2004, 09:28 AM
I don't like the system where a surface specialist can accumulate points playing just clay events. I give Roddick a break on this one simply because he plays well on hard courts. If Gaudio were to clay what Andy is to hard then maybe I would consider letting him off the hook. Remember there are around 45 hard and only twenty uhhh three clay.


That just makes it harder to accumulate points on clay. Gaudio got Federer in the first round of a major clay court tournament, that didn't help his record.

G O
11-09-2004, 09:30 AM
So do you have the courage to do it or not?

Good to see your sanctimonious bias hasn't changed after all this time.


Did you even read what I said you big dum dum? Read it again...READ IT I SAID:shout:

What does sanctimishnishismis mean? :scratch:

Vass
11-09-2004, 09:31 AM
Reading this stuff gives me a headache. If we count everyone in the open era, do you think more people have won a slam or reached the top 8?

If winning a slam is easier then getting to the top 8 then how come Safin hasn't won a slam for 4 years?

Why is Moya's last slam more then 6 years ago despite him almost always being in the top 8?

Do you think Berasategius or Schuettler's efforts last year were superior to a slam victory?
I agree with you. But it' seems that you can't become a top player by just winning a GS. A player who won a GS isn't neccesarily better than one who didn't. And I think that a player who is better is the one who deserves to play in the Masters Cup.
And just one joke question: how come Gaudio isn't in the top-8 if it's easier than winning a GS?

Btw. It can be argued of what's better: winning one GS and be outside the top-10 all the time, or not win a Slam (for six years) and stay in the top-8 nevertheless. That certainly gives you more points and money.

G O
11-09-2004, 09:31 AM
That just makes it harder to accumulate points on clay. Gaudio got Federer in the first round of a major clay court tournament, that didn't help his record.


You MIGHT be able to convince me. It is possible, though folks here at MTF don't try.

FryslanBoppe
11-09-2004, 09:31 AM
Considering that there are less points for the clay tournaments, example Muster in 95, he didn't get to number 1 that year even though he won 12 tournaments, three TMS and the FO Open and one of those TMS events was on carpet, and he had a solid performance at the US Open, but that wasn't enough, so that proves G O's theory right, but then again anyone could tell that the faster surfaces are the ones where there are more points on offer during the year, so it's not that enlightening, just a look at the ATP calendar could validate that point.

FryslanBoppe
11-09-2004, 09:34 AM
Did you even read what I said you big dum dum? Read it again...READ IT I SAID:shout:

You know exactly what you wrote, you were bitching about the fact that Gaudio got into the top 8 of this tournament, and have done so throughout this thread.

So I said go and submit an application to the ATP about why that particular Grand Slam wild card rule should be changed.

What does sanctimishnishismis mean? :scratch:

You're allegedly within the media, you can work it out.

WyveN
11-09-2004, 09:38 AM
And just one joke question: how come Gaudio isn't in the top-8 if it's easier than winning a GS?

Some reasons:
1) badly choking against hewitt in Monte Carlo
2) Getting Federer 1st round in Hamburg
3) Losing some extremely close finals in Stuttgart, Bastaad and Barcelona that could have easily gone his way.
4) Taking it easy at times rather then playing every week in a attempt to get a few points
5) Not being good on faster surfaces that, as GO pointed out, dominate the season

Despite all of that he just missed out on a automatic top 8 spot.

G O
11-09-2004, 09:40 AM
Frybo, I'm not bitching. I'm very relaxed actually. In life it's important to be relaxed. Now that's wisdom. In life....It's important to be relaxed.-GO

I know your not a Swede you liar.. I can tell. Your an American just like me :hatoff:

FryslanBoppe
11-09-2004, 09:42 AM
Frybo, I'm not bitching. I'm very relaxed actually. In life it's important to be relaxed. Now that's wisdom. In life....It's important to be relaxed.-GO

Don't try and tell me porkies, you have bitched about Gaudio making to the final 8 and that's your choice and now get on with that submission.

I know your not a Swede you liar.. I can tell. Your an American just like me :hatoff:

Can you speak or write Swedish, Danish or Norwegian then? If so, go ahead. You know as muich about me as you do tennis, actually it would be less, but not much.


Ok, if I am an American wouldn't I spell colour like color. :)

Your foibles and theories are funny to say the least.

G O
11-09-2004, 09:49 AM
Ok, if I am an American wouldn't I spell colour like color. :)

Your foibles and theories are funny to say the least.


Maybe your right. Your are using funny words n stuff like shaminamigamins. I don't know much, but I know ther ain't no way an mercan say a think like folbles. :crazy:

G O
11-09-2004, 09:53 AM
Pssst, Frybo, don't tell anyone but I actually don't know that much about tennis, but I'm confident it's as much as you or less? I mean more.

Yeah your not American. "Porkies" What? Boy, now what on errth you saying?

G O
11-09-2004, 09:57 AM
Hey Frybo,

Did you know Swedish is a fascinating and expressive language. It is also a melodic language, admittedly difficult to pronounce like a native because of its characteristic sing-song rhythm, but otherwise not more complicated to learn than English. :crazy:


Sorry that was another Porkie right.

sigmagirl91
11-09-2004, 10:38 AM
Awww, isn't this sweet? FB has his own personal stalker.

Horatio Caine
11-09-2004, 10:40 AM
Can you speak or write Swedish, Danish or Norwegian then?

I think the question should be: Can he speak or write American?

Kristen
11-09-2004, 11:15 AM
I'm now questioning the age of G O.....
The grammar, the misunderstanding of words... mind you, he/she could actually just be an uneducated american unaware that other nations (yes they exist) use big words / have different words for things :hug: Contact the ATP pronto (it means 'quick')! We're all keen to see what they have to say ^_^

Horatio Caine
11-09-2004, 11:28 AM
I'm now questioning the age of G O.....
The grammar, the misunderstanding of words... mind you, he/she could actually just be an uneducated american unaware that other nations (yes they exist) use big words / have different words for things :hug: Contact the ATP pronto (it means 'quick')! We're all keen to see what they have to say ^_^

:haha: :haha: I was afraid to say all of that, but you took the words right out of my mouth...or most of them anyway! Tactfulness (does he know what it means?) isn't in it! :)

*Ljubica*
11-09-2004, 12:04 PM
I'm now questioning the age of G O.....
The grammar, the misunderstanding of words... mind you, he/she could actually just be an uneducated american unaware that other nations (yes they exist) use big words / have different words for things :hug: Contact the ATP pronto (it means 'quick')! We're all keen to see what they have to say ^_^

That post deserves a Good rep from me :worship: Great words Bjorkman_Girl!

Kristen
11-09-2004, 12:08 PM
haha Thanks Rosie and alma for your reps from that post :lol:
I think I have too much spare time on my hands... I can't even tell if I was being sarcastic or genuine in my posts to G O :shrug: :wavey:

*Ljubica*
11-09-2004, 12:10 PM
haha Thanks Rosie and alma for your reps from that post :lol:
I think I have too much spare time on my hands... I can't even tell if I was being sarcastic or genuine in my posts to G O :shrug: :wavey:

Well if you can't tell, I'm sure someone with the very limited brain power of G.O. won't know either :angel:

sigmagirl91
11-09-2004, 02:28 PM
Just a lesson to you, Sue: It's Gaudio, no L and Merry Christmas to you, darling.

User id 7816
11-09-2004, 03:28 PM
it seems like our Sue has a real tough problem with spelling G-A-U-D-I-O

we already have it in 2 versions from her: Glaudio and Claudio

maybe its actually due to her awe of GAUDIO http://www.kurts-smilies.de/troest2.gif

Fedex
11-10-2004, 02:10 AM
I operated on my brain


.
I dont think the operation was a successful one.

^Sue^
11-10-2004, 02:25 AM
Merry Christmas...
sorry i am too hurry to start the thread last Sunday...sorry guys...
ok it's Gaston Gaudio....( i still think he's a lucky player)

Action Jackson
11-10-2004, 02:25 AM
Maybe your right. Your are using funny words n stuff like shaminamigamins. I don't know much, but I know ther ain't no way an mercan say a think like folbles. :crazy:

It's sad for you when someone who speaks English as a second language has a better grasp of it than yourself.

tennischick
11-10-2004, 02:28 AM
i am very biased towards the Argies but i have honestly always thought that Gaudio is a naturally talented and excellent player. i hope he has more big wins to silence the naysayers. he's still young -- there's time.

sigmagirl91
11-10-2004, 02:30 AM
I operated on my brain

Really? Is that why it's all fucked up? :devil:

Action Jackson
11-10-2004, 02:32 AM
Pssst, Frybo, don't tell anyone but I actually don't know that much about tennis, but I'm confident it's as much as you or less? I mean more.

Yeah your not American. "Porkies" What? Boy, now what on errth you saying?

Where have been your intelligent contributions to a debate that ever amounted to a tennis issue here? I have to say you are one of the smartest copyboy's ever in the media industry.

Did you know Swedish is a fascinating and expressive language. It is also a melodic language, admittedly difficult to pronounce like a native because of its characteristic sing-song rhythm, but otherwise not more complicated to learn than English.

Did you look that up in Wikpedia or did you come up with that brilliant analysis yourself? No matter what excrement that you print, at least it's highly amusing.

Obviously you have never been to Skåne then, if you think all Swedish is expressive and melodius. Please tell me great one what does Norwegian and Finnish sound like brainiac?

Porkies? Come on you are someone who tells them every day.

Action Jackson
11-10-2004, 02:33 AM
ok it's Gaston Gaudio....( i still think he's a lucky player)

Being of higher intelligence, can you go around and find 5 examples of a player who has not had some luck in winning a Slam trophy on the men's tour in the last 15 years, and no Sampras at Wimbledon doesn't count.

Chloe le Bopper
11-10-2004, 02:35 AM
i am very biased towards the Argies but i have honestly always thought that Gaudio is a naturally talented and excellent player. i hope he has more big wins to silence the naysayers. he's still young -- there's time.
I agree, but I'm not sure he's really motivated to the all out of his talent that he could. In the latest video he said that he'd just like to win Davis Cup and then retire ;) Perhaps I shouldn't take that too literally.

Action Jackson
11-10-2004, 02:37 AM
I agree, but I'm not sure he's really motivated to the all out of his talent that he could. In the latest video he said that he'd just like to win Davis Cup and then retire ;) Perhaps I shouldn't take that too literally.

There are many reasons for this Becca, and I am not going to go into them here. Well the Davis Cup redemption is even more important now after all that crap he got after Malaga.

^Sue^
11-10-2004, 03:00 AM
Being of higher intelligence, can you go around and find 5 examples of a player who has not had some luck in winning a Slam trophy on the men's tour in the last 15 years, and no Sampras at Wimbledon doesn't count.


Roger Federer
Pete Sampras
Llyeton Hewitt
Andre Agassi
Boris Becker

Action Jackson
11-10-2004, 03:09 AM
Roger Federer
Pete Sampras
Llyeton Hewitt
Andre Agassi
Boris Becker

Federer was fortunate with the rain delay against Roddick at Wimbledon, had a back problem last year before the Lopez match.

Agassi has had luck in all of his Slam wins, perfect example 99 French Open final or did that slip your mind.

Hewitt very fortunate to beat Schalken at Wimbledon.

Sampras well the Corretja match in the US Open 1996.

Becker, well his US Open victory down a match point and won on a lucky net cord and his Aus Open victories were fortunate.

Ok, what you fail to comprehend here is that no matter how talented these players or what great champions some of them are. It's very rare that as winners of Slams have not had any luck during the respective GS tournament they won. The common theme is they were good enough to take advantage of the break, and showed this ability by winning their respective events.

Borg was one of the few guys who went through a whole Slam without losing a set. I was suppose he was lucky too.

tennischick
11-10-2004, 03:26 AM
even the players themselves concede that luck is either with them or against them. luck and chance are both variables that affect some match/tourny outcomes. who on earth would argue with that? :confused:

Action Jackson
11-10-2004, 03:28 AM
even the players themselves concede that luck is either with them or against them. luck and chance are both variables that affect some match/tourny outcomes. who on earth would argue with that? :confused:

Not me TC, I just had to make it more obvious to some delusional people, then again if they are deluded, then they wouldn't understand it.

^Sue^
11-10-2004, 03:42 AM
Not me TC, I just had to make it more obvious to some delusional people, then again if they are deluded, then they wouldn't understand it.

U are not welcomed to this thread...u hurt my feelings...
Not all player use only lucks by their sides....they got the power and potential. I hope to seek your apologise. :sad:

Captain Obvious
11-10-2004, 03:50 AM
U are not welcomed to this thread...u hurt my feelings...
Not all player use only lucks by their sides....they got the power and potential. I hope to seek your appologise. :sad:

Why should someone apologise for stating an opinion and backing up that opinion with facts?

You have a problem with Glaudio, but just to write him off as lucky, while not examining all the other winners who have had luck, TC and GWH explained that very clearly and yes the players concede that there is a luck factor winning a GS title, says more about you. If you want to write rubbish, then it should get treated as such.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
11-10-2004, 09:59 AM
Very lucky.He won RG becoz Coria slumped,and now he can play in TMC Huston.

WyveN
11-10-2004, 10:04 AM
And just one joke question: how come Gaudio isn't in the top-8 if it's easier than winning a GS?


One more reason for you, ranking points dont reflect the importance of a slam. According to the champions race Safin's 2 TMS victories = a slam win but if given the choice between 2 TMS titles and a slam what do you think Safin would choose?

FryslanBoppe
11-10-2004, 10:05 AM
Very lucky.He won RG becoz Coria slumped,and now he can play in TMC Huston.

How many Slams has Robredo won?

Another fool who doesn't think that players with superior physical conditioning and better mental toughness on the given day deserve to win, yes he was so lucky that he was better prepared.

*Ljubica*
11-10-2004, 10:37 AM
How many Slams has Robredo won?

Another fool who doesn't think that players with superior physical conditioning and better mental toughness on the given day deserve to win, yes he was so lucky that he was better prepared.

:worship: :worship:

sigmagirl91
11-10-2004, 10:45 AM
U are not welcomed to this thread...u hurt my feelings...
Not all player use only lucks by their sides....they got the power and potential. I hope to seek your apologise. :sad:


Another "short bus special".
Dear, shall I help you find your mommy?

I♥PsY@Mus!c
11-10-2004, 10:47 AM
How many Slams has Robredo won?

Another fool who doesn't think that players with superior physical conditioning and better mental toughness on the given day deserve to win, yes he was so lucky that he was better prepared.

The poster ask he is a good player or lucky one,I just replied one of the choices.He is good on clay but not others.Andre deserves to play Huston more IMO.You're his fan and I am Andre fan.That's no need to agrue my point. :rolleyes:

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-10-2004, 10:53 AM
The poster ask he is a good player or lucky one,I just replied one of the choices.He is good on clay but not others.Andre deserves to play Huston more IMO.You're his fan and I am Andre fan.That's no need to agrue my point. :rolleyes:

Ok, you were silly enough to call him lucky when he was better prepared to last the distance, and another thing Glaudio had spent more time on court during the tournament than Coria did, but Gaudio didn't cramp. Why is this so? Because he was very well prepared physically and that's not luck at all.

It's not a question at all whether I am a fan or not, anyone with a half a brain and that includes his fans knows Gaston is at his best on clay, and has to improve results elsewhere. That is as thought provoking as saying heavy rain is wet.

Did Agassi win a Slam, did he play a full season, did he disrepect the claycourt season?

*Ljubica*
11-10-2004, 10:59 AM
The poster ask he is a good player or lucky one,I just replied one of the choices.He is good on clay but not others.Andre deserves to play Huston more IMO.You're his fan and I am Andre fan.That's no need to agrue my point. :rolleyes:

Sorry - but I disagree - if Andre had played enough tournaments and got good enough resuts in the ones he did, - then he would be in Houston.

hitchhiker
11-10-2004, 11:02 AM
I called atp to find out if rule is fair and they say to me rule was made to let grand slam winner in if they injured for large part of the season and cant get enough points.
Not meant as loop hole for players that cant win a match outside clay - atp told me they are review the rule and hopefully things fixed for next year.
this year just have to boo, best we can do.

bad gambler
11-10-2004, 11:03 AM
andre was not good enough to make it, simple as that...

although gaudio didn't qualify in the top 8, these are the rules so not his fault that he made the TMC finals!

sigmagirl91
11-10-2004, 11:05 AM
I called atp to find out if rule is fair and they say to me rule was made to let grand slam winner in if they injured for large part of the season and cant get enough points.
Not meant as loop hole for players that cant win a match outside clay - atp told me they are review the rule and hopefully things fixed for next year.
this year just have to boo, best we can do.

Yet another "short bus special". :o

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-10-2004, 11:07 AM
I called atp to find out if rule is fair and they say to me rule was made to let grand slam winner in if they injured for large part of the season and cant get enough points.
Not meant as loop hole for players that cant win a match outside clay - atp told me they are review the rule and hopefully things fixed for next year.
this year just have to boo, best we can do.

Talking rubbish again. See 2002 when Thomas Johansson and Albert Costa both made the TMC in Shanghai, they both won Slams and they were both outside the 8. One got into the main draw and the other was the alternate

Johansson had about 6 weeks off that year, about as much as time as Gaudio has had this year.

You can do better with that troll hh.

sigmagirl91
11-10-2004, 11:08 AM
Don't argue with the "short bus specials"; they're a total waste of time.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-10-2004, 11:11 AM
I needed to get it out of my system.

The funny thing is that people are complaining now, when it was more than likely after the FO that he was going to qualify, so they waited all this time to whine about it now.

hitchhiker
11-10-2004, 11:11 AM
Talking rubbish again. See 2002 when Thomas Johansson and Albert Costa both made the TMC in Shanghai, they both won Slams and they were both outside the 8. One got into the main draw and the other was the alternate

Johansson had about 6 weeks off that year, about as much as time as Gaudio has had this year.


that proves my point. if rule made to let slam winners in then they both would be let in no matter what. But their not because rule was made for exceptional case where injury effect player for long time of season, atp assume if player good enough to win slam then without injury they make the championship automatically.
call atp and find out if you dont believe me want a bet?

hitchhiker
11-10-2004, 11:12 AM
Don't argue with the "short bus specials"; they're a total waste of time.

and what is your role on mtf?
you dont even discuss tennis

I♥PsY@Mus!c
11-10-2004, 11:13 AM
Only I said he is lucky?Only I am the silly one?Ridiculous!!! :armed:

OK,I know it's not his fault...

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-10-2004, 11:14 AM
hh, you muppet how am I going to believe you. Are you going to send me your phone bill which will itemise the call, which should say the amount of time spoken and time of day the call took place?

It wasn't made for an injury, and how much crap can you type. It was done as a compromise between the ATP/ITF when the Grand Slam Cup ceased and the rule was incorporated then.

Stop swimming in your own verbal diarrhoea.

hitchhiker
11-10-2004, 11:15 AM
hh, you muppet how am I going to believe you. Are you going to send me your phone bill which will itemise the call, which should say the amount of time spoken and time of day the call took place?


you can call them and check if i am telling truth


It wasn't made for an injury, and how much crap can you type. It was done as a compromise between the ATP/ITF when the Grand Slam Cup ceased and the rule was incorporated then.


then why do they only let the highest ranked slam winner in?

joeb_uk
11-10-2004, 11:17 AM
how can you disallow a grand slam winner a place at houston, for someone who could rarely handle playing two weeks in a row

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-10-2004, 11:19 AM
Only I said he is lucky?Only I am the silly one?Ridiculous!!! :armed:

OK,I know it's not his fault...

You are far from the only silly one on this thread, but it's not luck when all those circumstances are taken into account.

If Agassi played a better schedule, then he would have had no problems getting in, he took a risk and it didn't work for him.

Originally posted by GeorgeWHitler
Ok, what you fail to comprehend here is that no matter how talented these players or what great champions some of them are. It's very rare that as winners of Slams have not had any luck during the respective GS tournament they won. The common theme is they were good enough to take advantage of the break, and showed this ability by winning their respective events.

Stop making sense with these posts and I forgot every single player that has ever won a Slam must be lucky.

sigmagirl91
11-10-2004, 11:21 AM
and what is your role on mtf?
you dont even discuss tennis

You don't either, judging from the content of your posts.

*Ljubica*
11-10-2004, 11:21 AM
how can you disallow a grand slam winner a place at houston, for someone who could rarely handle playing two weeks in a row

Wonder what would be said if Agassi was Argentinian, and the "lucky" Grand Slam winner was from the good old USA :angel: Just a thought!

sigmagirl91
11-10-2004, 11:23 AM
Wonder what would be said if Agassi was Argentinian, and the "lucky" Grand Slam winner was from the good old USA :angel: Just a thought!

An exception would be made in Agassi's case, and this particular discussion wouldn't be taking place.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-10-2004, 11:24 AM
you can call them and check if i am telling truth

Like I am going to trust someone with your lack of credibility. You are talking the trash, so it's up to you to back it up.

As for letting the highest ranked of the two Slam winners in that situation. Well how else would have it been done muppet?

This is a better trolling effort, keep up the good work.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-10-2004, 11:25 AM
Oh! I forgot he has the wrong nationality, nah that's mainly a problem for G O and his brother hitchhiker.

hitchhiker
11-10-2004, 11:27 AM
You don't either, judging from the content of your posts.

i discuss tennis you wonder around looking to bitch

hitchhiker
11-10-2004, 11:28 AM
Like I am going to trust someone with your lack of credibility. You are talking the trash, so it's up to you to back it up.

As for letting the highest ranked of the two Slam winners in that situation. Well how else would have it been done muppet?


dont you understand american language

if 2 players win slam and both outside top 8, why dont let them both into championship?

sigmagirl91
11-10-2004, 11:29 AM
i discuss tennis you wonder around looking to bitch

That's Miss Bitch to you, troll wonder, and don't ever forget it....

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-10-2004, 11:34 AM
dont you understand american language

if 2 players win slam and both outside top 8, why dont let them both into championship?

You don't know what you are talking about and you should have given up after your great predictions for the Wimbledon final.

Which American language are you talking about? There are quite a few Native American languages that haven't died out yet.

Did I made the rule about the Slam winners? No. When it was implemented and that scenario happened, the higher ranked Slam winner got in and the other one was the alternate. It's not that difficult.

Horatio Caine
11-10-2004, 11:36 AM
Actually, maybe he is LUCKY - after all he was given a chance in the Barcelona final when Robredo called an injury timeout serving for the match 40/15. But there again maybe he isn't lucky because Robredo won the final a few points later thereby denying Gaston an extra 18 points....WHICH WOULDN'T HAVE GOT HIM IN THE TOP 8 ANYWAY!!!!

Leave it out anti-Gaudio people - that man is the only one who managed to get a Grand Slam off Federer's vice-like grip on the year - he deserves respect and he fully deserves his place in Houston.

*Ljubica*
11-10-2004, 11:37 AM
dont you understand american language

if 2 players win slam and both outside top 8, why dont let them both into championship?

There is no such thing as an "American language" apart from the ones previously mentioned by Marc. They merely speak their own version of English, which often bears no corrolation to the original :angel:

Horatio Caine
11-10-2004, 01:14 PM
I wonder whether our Argentinian friend has ever been to Glastonbury!

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-10-2004, 01:16 PM
I wonder whether our Argentinian friend has ever been to Glastonbury!

There are a few Argiephiles here, so you might have to be specific. :)

Horatio Caine
11-10-2004, 01:18 PM
There are a few Argiephiles here, so you might have to be specific. :)

:haha: :haha:

I wonder if he went to see our rapping (crap!) American friend - Spadea!

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-10-2004, 01:20 PM
:haha: :haha:

I wonder if he went to see our rapping (crap!) American friend - Spadea!

MC Spadea from the mean streets of Boca Raton.

That's like a gangsta rappa coming out of Eton college.

RonE
11-10-2004, 01:23 PM
and another thing Glaudio had spent more time on court during the tournament than Coria did, but Gaudio didn't cramp.

Marc, you're letting it creep in to your vocabulary- if you aren't safe from it that means none of us are :scared: :bolt: ;)

Horatio Caine
11-10-2004, 01:25 PM
MC Spadea from the mean streets of Boca Raton.

That's like a gangsta rappa coming out of Eton college.

:haha: :haha:

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-10-2004, 01:27 PM
Marc, you're letting it creep in to your vocabulary- if you aren't safe from it that means none of us are :scared: :bolt: ;)

No problem RonEaldo it was a deliberate misspelling, it's FB and GWH you would have to really worry about. :) :)

RonE
11-10-2004, 01:28 PM
No problem RonEaldo it was a deliberate misspelling, it's FB and GWH you would have to really worry about. :) :)

:lol: ok. Phew, you had me worried there for a sec ;)

RonE
11-10-2004, 01:49 PM
As was already said before countless times, you make your own luck and if Gaudio was lucky in his win then so is everyone else. Even the great Federer had his fair share of luck during his great year- the rain delay during the Wimbledon final, his QF v. Agassi in the USO at 5-5 in the 3rd set just to name a couple.

Gaudio is no slouch- he works hard, puts a lot of effort and gives it his all. Therefore, he fully deserved the win in RG no matter what the circumstances were- he played the hand he was dealt with and all credit to him for that.

Besides, it is not exactly as if he came out of nowhere- he has made his mark on clay before this year and also specifically in past performances at RG. Remember 2002 when he pushed Ferrero to five sets in the round of last 16? He was very close to winning the match but just stumbled at the crucial junctures. The following year he was stopped by Guga in 4 very difficult sets- gave him all that he could handle.

So it is unfair to him, his efforts and his fans to discredit him by saying he was 'lucky'.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-10-2004, 01:51 PM
RonE, you have to stop making sense with these posts of yours.

RPH
11-10-2004, 03:29 PM
Glaudio :lol:

He's both really - on clay :worship: :worship: :worship: On any other surface :o :o :o
Will probably be the Ferrero of this year (0 wins 3 losses) but I hope not

But Im far more annoyed another Argentinian is playing in the TMC with Gaudio ;)

*Ljubica*
11-10-2004, 05:29 PM
RonE............I wanted to GoodRep you for your last post, but it tells me I must spread my reputation around first before giving it to you again! Very soon though I promise :)

RonE
11-10-2004, 06:51 PM
RonE............I wanted to GoodRep you for your last post, but it tells me I must spread my reputation around first before giving it to you again! Very soon though I promise :)

:hug: :hug: :hug: It's ok Rosie, you don't have to rep me for that- I was just trying to set the record straight emphasizing some of the points made by others before me.

Action Jackson
11-11-2004, 12:10 AM
As was already said before countless times, you make your own luck and if Gaudio was lucky in his win then so is everyone else. Even the great Federer had his fair share of luck during his great year- the rain delay during the Wimbledon final, his QF v. Agassi in the USO at 5-5 in the 3rd set just to name a couple.

Gaudio is no slouch- he works hard, puts a lot of effort and gives it his all. Therefore, he fully deserved the win in RG no matter what the circumstances were- he played the hand he was dealt with and all credit to him for that.

Besides, it is not exactly as if he came out of nowhere- he has made his mark on clay before this year and also specifically in past performances at RG. Remember 2002 when he pushed Ferrero to five sets in the round of last 16? He was very close to winning the match but just stumbled at the crucial junctures. The following year he was stopped by Guga in 4 very difficult sets- gave him all that he could handle.

So it is unfair to him, his efforts and his fans to discredit him by saying he was 'lucky'.

Brilliant post, but sometimes the obvious can escape people.

Neely
11-11-2004, 12:44 AM
wow, always still pretty much action about the endless discussion of this topic :zzz:

Always interesting to read what -admittedly- good points many people bring up.

I will come back referring to them when I get to read any well-known posts "Kiefer just got lucky getting so far", "Kiefer had an easy draw", "Kiefer only won against XY because XY had a bad day", "that was just a fluke that Kiefer won", "Kiefer only won because XY was out of form" or any of that kind ;)

^Sue^
11-11-2004, 02:44 AM
Brilliant post, but sometimes the obvious can escape people.


erm..not so.... :rolleyes:

^Sue^
11-11-2004, 02:48 AM
Hey, if Gaudio beats Roddick in the round robin, would Roddick go insane??:)

Fedex
11-11-2004, 02:49 AM
Maybe, but it is not even possible for Roddick to play Gaudio in Round Robin.

^Sue^
11-11-2004, 03:13 AM
yeah u right....

YulBrynnerWasBald
11-11-2004, 03:38 AM
erm..not so.... :rolleyes:

You still missed the point, then again I am not surprised.

Smankyou
11-11-2004, 04:09 AM
Luck will win you the lottery, not grand slams.

hitchhiker should give lessons in the art of trolling.

Trolling101. However, Professor Hitchhiker doesn't really have a ring to it.

sigmagirl91
11-11-2004, 04:12 AM
Luck will win you the lottery, not grand slams.



Trolling101. However, Professor Hitchhiker doesn't really have a ring to it.


The "short bus specials" are trainees for professorships in Trolling101.

Smankyou
11-11-2004, 04:17 AM
Maybe your right. Your are using funny words n stuff like shaminamigamins. I don't know much, but I know ther ain't no way an mercan say a think like folbles. :crazy:

This is why I hate the Internerd. I can't tell if you're taking the piss or not. I'm almost certain you are... *squints*

MisterQ
11-11-2004, 04:42 AM
I will come back referring to them when I get to read any well-known posts "Kiefer just got lucky getting so far", "Kiefer had an easy draw", "Kiefer only won against XY because XY had a bad day", "that was just a fluke that Kiefer won", "Kiefer only won because XY was out of form" or any of that kind ;)

Sounds like The Battle of the Chromosomes... ;)

Action Jackson
11-11-2004, 05:16 AM
This is why I hate the Internerd. I can't tell if you're taking the piss or not. I'm almost certain you are... *squints*

Just read the MTF trolling song on the Tennis Songs thread.

chris whiteside
11-11-2004, 06:42 AM
Gaudio is #10 in the world and FO champion so yes he's a good player. Fair enough, he's qualified for the Masters under the current rules but despite "double" points in winning a Slam he still finished below Agassi and Nalbandian. Time to change the rules for next year so that the top 8 players in the Race go to the Masters.

As a Brit, I'd love to see Henman do well, but given the past few weeks he could be an embarrassment. Let's hope not.

Action Jackson
11-11-2004, 06:47 AM
Gaudio is #10 in the world and FO champion so yes he's a good player. Fair enough, he's qualified for the Masters under the current rules but despite "double" points in winning a Slam he still finished below Agassi and Nalbandian. Time to change the rules for next year so that the top 8 players in the Race go to the Masters.

If Henman was in this situation would you singing this tune about the change in the rules? Did you have the same problem with Johansson and Costa who got into TMC in the same way that Gaudio did?

The guy did make 5 finals this year and won a Slam which was better than either Agassi or Nalbandian, but since these were on clay, they are deemed to be of a lesser importance.

^Sue^
11-11-2004, 08:35 AM
You still missed the point, then again I am not surprised.
what?

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-11-2004, 08:39 AM
what?

How many times do you need to be told and there has been numerous logical and fair points from a diverse group of people not all Glaudio fans saying that he wasn't totally lucky or any luckier than other players that have won Slams?

chris whiteside
11-11-2004, 08:50 AM
If Henman was in this situation would you singing this tune about the change in the rules? Did you have the same problem with Johansson and Costa who got into TMC in the same way that Gaudio did?

The guy did make 5 finals this year and won a Slam which was better than either Agassi or Nalbandian, but since these were on clay, they are deemed to be of a lesser importance.

Certainly I would. And the situation was the same with Johansson and Costa. It makes no difference to me who the player is. The Slams are already awarded doubles points and even with these over the whole year Gaudio finished 10th. It would be much fairer if the eight players who accumulated the most points competed in the Masters.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-11-2004, 08:54 AM
Certainly I would. And the situation was the same with Johansson and Costa. It makes no difference to me who the player is. The Slams are already awarded doubles points and even with these over the whole year Gaudio finished 10th. It would be much fairer if the eight players who accumulated the most points competed in the Masters.

The possibility with someone who doesn't do well in the Slams, might win a TMS event and does well in a lot of optionals and makes the 8. That is no better than the WC rule they have at the moment, they could do that if they played a lot of hardcourt events.

Credit for being consistent. Actually they should award the Slams more points than they do at this moment in time.

sigmagirl91
11-11-2004, 11:03 AM
How many times do you need to be told and there has been numerous logical and fair points from a diverse group of people not all Glaudio fans saying that he wasn't totally lucky or any luckier than other players that have won Slams?

"Short bus special" doesn't comprehend your complex sentence structure and your effective, well-stated argument.

WyveN
11-11-2004, 11:29 AM
The Slams are already awarded doubles points and even with these over the whole year Gaudio finished 10th.

That is the problem right there, slams are worth much more then 2 TMS tournaments. By winning a slam only a couple of players have a serious claim to a better year then Gaudio so his place there is certainly deserved. (obviously Federer and maybe Hewitt for consistency on all surfaces)

jtipson
11-11-2004, 12:26 PM
It would be much fairer if the eight players who accumulated the most points competed in the Masters.

I would tend to agree, but the rule is there not for fairness but for politics.

Ballbuster
11-12-2004, 04:37 AM
oh boy the Roddick haters are defending Gaudio again as usual. :rolleyes:

Look, you should qualify for the masters cup for your results throughout the year, not one tournament which you win simply because your opponent had a nervous breakdown. As the commercial says the 8 best players will be playing, but since Gaudio is there that obviously is not true this year.

Action Jackson
11-12-2004, 04:44 AM
oh boy the Roddick haters are defending Gaudio again as usual. :rolleyes:

Look, you should qualify for the masters cup for your results throughout the year, not one tournament which you win simply because your opponent had a nervous breakdown. As the commercial says the 8 best players will be playing, but since Gaudio is there that obviously is not true this year.

Go there and boo him then, if you feel that way.

As the rule stands at the moment, he is in the tournament and that would be the same for any player as it was for Johansson and Costa.

Ok, if Gaudio had won 4 of the 5 finals he lost this year and made the final 8. Would you be complaining that he only bothered to play the clay events?

Same scenario if Henin-Hardenne had benefitted from this rule, she won a Slam, but had to miss a large part of the season for whatever reason, but was fit to take her place in the end of season field, but the ranking wasn't good enough at the time, would you be whining?

WyveN
11-12-2004, 04:44 AM
oh boy the Roddick haters are defending Gaudio again as usual. :rolleyes:


I don't understand the connection. In fact Gaudio and Roddick fans should have something in common as both Roddick's USO and Gaudio's FO win was wrongly blamed on luck, tired opponents and other external factors by a lot of people on MTF.

WyveN
11-12-2004, 04:46 AM
By the way if given the choice between Gaudio's 2004 and Roddick's 2004 any sane person would choose Gaudios, so yes he certainly deserved his place at TMC.

Action Jackson
11-12-2004, 04:50 AM
There are only a few times a year when players should really peak, the Slams and Davis Cup.

The TMS events, well they serve a purpose and are good to win but 4 TMS titles or a Slam. I know what I would prefer.

Ballbuster
11-12-2004, 04:52 AM
Ok, if Gaudio had won 4 of the 5 finals he lost this year and made the final 8. Would you be complaining that he only bothered to play the clay events?

?

No, his results were then good enough to be ranked in the top 8.

Same scenario if Henin-Hardenne had benefitted from this rule, she won a Slam, but had to miss a large part of the season for whatever reason, but was fit to take her place in the end of season field, but the ranking wasn't good enough at the time, would you be whining

Gaudio didn't miss a large part of the season. and I think an exception should be made for an player who was injured for a large portion of the yar.. ex: Clijsters, had she won two or three indoor tournaments had she not reinjured her hand, then I feel she should be given a spot in the YEC.

Action Jackson
11-12-2004, 04:58 AM
No, his results were then good enough to be ranked in the top 8.

Even if he won Barcelona and Kitzbhuel his points wouldn't have been good enough to get him into the 8. So that's a Slam and 2 ISG events and he still wouldn't have qualified.

Gaudio didn't miss a large part of the season. and I think an exception should be made for an player who was injured for a large portion of the yar.. ex: Clijsters, had she won two or three indoor tournaments had she not reinjured her hand, then I feel she should be given a spot in the YEC.

You do know he didn't play until Basel after the US Open. The starting dates respectively were 30/8 to 25/10, that is at least 7 weeks he didn't play for. That was due to injury and some other problems as well, so almost 2 months of not playing tennis doesn't exactly help things.

Well you are justifying the rule for Clijsters, while criticising it for Gaudio. You can't have it both ways.

Ballbuster
11-12-2004, 05:06 AM
Even if he won Barcelona and Kitzbhuel his points wouldn't have been good enough to get him into the 8. So that's a Slam and 2 ISG events and he still wouldn't have qualified.

.
guess I was wrong, if he had won those and still not been in the top 8, then I don't think he should be at the TMC

You do know he didn't play until Basel after the US Open. The starting dates respectively were 30/8 to 25/10, that is at least 7 weeks he didn't play for. That was due to injury and some other problems as well, so almost 2 months of not playing tennis doesn't exactly help things.

he missed one TMS :rolleyes: and had already played more than 5 optional events.

Well you are justifying the rule for Clijsters, while criticising it for Gaudio. You can't have it both ways

Clijsters results from the year show that she is a top 8 player, Gaudio's do not. Clijsters previous results show she plays well on all surfaces, Gaudio's do not, suggesting he wouldn't have picked up many points had he played in that time frame anyways.

Action Jackson
11-12-2004, 05:17 AM
guess I was wrong, if he had won those and still not been in the top 8, then I don't think he should be at the TMC.

Yes, winning a Slam and 2 ISG events isn't enough. So you would rather players maybe win a TMS title, have average performances at Slams and win plenty of optionals get in that way.

he missed one TMS :rolleyes: and had already played more than 5 optional events.

Not the point at all, the capacity to get points was reduced. At the same time as he was certain of qualifying, there seemed to be no point in just chasing the points and making any repetitive strain injuries worse.

Clijsters results from the year show that she is a top 8 player, Gaudio's do not. Clijsters previous results show she plays well on all surfaces, Gaudio's do not, suggesting he wouldn't have picked up many points had he played in that time frame anyways.

Nice bit of hypocrisy there. The rules don't discriminate just for a particular player has a bigger name in the game. Gaudio has won 1 more Slam than Clijsters. Yes, Kim has had good results everywhere, but that's not the point at all.

If these same rules were in place on the WTA tour and Clijsters had won a Slam yet missed out on being the top 8 because of an injury during the year, would she be allowed to play in the end of season champs. Then the answer is yes, if the ranking is under 20, then she deserves to play.

It was the same for Johansson and Costa in 2002, it's the same for Gaudio in 04, and the same for any player who fits that criteria until the rule is changed.

^Sue^
11-12-2004, 12:39 PM
Kim maybe will win 4 grand slams next year ,who knows?

sigmagirl91
11-12-2004, 12:46 PM
Kim maybe will win 4 grand slams next year ,who knows?

In a world like ours, anything could happen.

bad gambler
11-12-2004, 12:47 PM
that truly is the height of optimism sue

sigmagirl91
11-12-2004, 01:16 PM
BG, check your pm.

Fumus
11-12-2004, 02:15 PM
Anybody think Gaudio can get the second biggest upset of the year and beat Roger at the cup on Monday?

Lynne
11-12-2004, 02:23 PM
Anybody think Gaudio can get the second biggest upset of the year and beat Roger at the cup on Monday?

Well, unless Roger is really really sick....
I don't see how he can beat Federer... but then again, anything can happen....

Fumus
11-12-2004, 02:32 PM
That would be soo weird if Gaudio won the cup...lol...I think that there might be alot people thinking they were dreaming on that day. :devil:

Lynne
11-12-2004, 02:44 PM
That would be soo weird if Gaudio won the cup...lol...I think that there might be alot people thinking they were dreaming on that day. :devil:

LOL....

jtipson
11-12-2004, 02:47 PM
Well, unless Roger is really really sick....
I don't see how he can beat Federer... but then again, anything can happen....

He's come close to it a couple of times in the past. It's a tough first match for Roger; I bet he might have preferred Moya.

Horatio Caine
11-12-2004, 03:02 PM
Clijsters results from the year show that she is a top 8 player, Gaudio's do not. Clijsters previous results show she plays well on all surfaces, Gaudio's do not, suggesting he wouldn't have picked up many points had he played in that time frame anyways.


Quit your whining man! :)

Gaudio is a top-10 player who deserves his place at the MC THIS YEAR. If you reckon he isn't a consistent top-10 performer which i reckon he probably isn't then you'll have your satisfaction when he falls to where he is normally ranked i.e. 20-30.

People who aren't fans of Rainer saw him drop down to his true level this year - no better than top-40 performer.

joeb_uk
11-12-2004, 03:55 PM
Anybody think Gaudio can get the second biggest upset of the year and beat Roger at the cup on Monday?

not going to be that big of an upset considering how gaudio can trouble federer, and the quality of gaudio. Not many players have the backhand to attack fed with, and fed finds gaudios bh hard to breakdown. so it wouldnt be that Huge of an upset. although, if gaston can win a set or even win this match, that will be enough for me (for the whole event) :D

Choupi
11-12-2004, 05:10 PM
That would be soo weird if Gaudio won the cup...lol...I think that there might be alot people thinking they were dreaming on that day. :devil:

And it would be the sweetest of all my dreams... :aplot: :nerner:

joeb_uk
11-12-2004, 05:12 PM
And it would be the sweetest of all my dreams... :aplot: :nerner:
:D

Fumus
11-12-2004, 05:46 PM
haha..I am a closet Gaudio fan, I rooted for him 110% at RG because I hate that little girl Coria. Gaudios bh is pretty kick ass, the angles he finds are :eek: but the DNL is his best shot, he gets you to commit to the ad court and boom...Still on HC Gaudios game is laughable at best and I would much rather see Agassi vs. Federer in the 1st round maybe that's just me :confused: Gaudio winning the cup...yea keep dreaming guys...lol but I will defly root for him against anyone in his draw. I love the underdog.

joeb_uk
11-12-2004, 06:53 PM
so much laughable that he beat agassi in two sets on a hardcourt, pushed federer to 3 on a hardcourt, beating ferrero twice , canas, gonzalez, scheuttler, grosjean, Schalken, novak. so fums are these all total losers? very laughable arent they?

Crazy_Fool
11-12-2004, 07:04 PM
That would be soo weird if Gaudio won the cup...lol...I think that there might be alot people thinking they were dreaming on that day. :devil:
I just think Gaudio will look totally out of place there. No disrespect to him, he's talented and all, but I don't consider him a top player, or even a threat to top players on a surface other than clay.

I agree with the people who say he should have to be in the top 8 to qualify, winning a slam is not the only thing that goes on in a tennis season, and even when he won his slam he still couldn't finish in the top 8 which goes to show the rest of his year was not that of a top player.

Fedex
11-12-2004, 11:35 PM
oh boy the Roddick haters are defending Gaudio again as usual. :rolleyes:

Look, you should qualify for the masters cup for your results throughout the year, not one tournament which you win simply because your opponent had a nervous breakdown. As the commercial says the 8 best players will be playing, but since Gaudio is there that obviously is not true this year.
gb, i thought you had more sense than this, but I am beginning to change my opinions of you.

Fedex
11-12-2004, 11:39 PM
No, his results were then good enough to be ranked in the top 8.



Gaudio didn't miss a large part of the season. and I think an exception should be made for an player who was injured for a large portion of the yar.. ex: Clijsters, had she won two or three indoor tournaments had she not reinjured her hand, then I feel she should be given a spot in the YEC.
So, Clijster can make the MC, having not won a slam title in 2003, yet Gaudio cant, who did win a slam this year? Ah, yes, the hypocrisy.

Ballbuster
11-12-2004, 11:52 PM
So, Clijster can make the MC, having not won a slam title in 2003, yet Gaudio cant, who did win a slam this year? Ah, yes, the hypocrisy.
no these are unrelated. If Clijsters goes 25-1 in six top tier events she plays then it's quite obvious she's a top eight player, if Gaudio plays more than twenty events in a year and is still ranked #10, then it's pretty clear that he is not a top eight player.

My view was not hypocritical, I think a wildcard should be given to someone who was injured for a large portion of the year but not just because a player wins one tournament.

Ballbuster
11-12-2004, 11:53 PM
gb, i thought you had more sense than this, but I am beginning to change my opinions of you.

fine Fedex, go ahead. Go onto Tennishack's board so you and GWH and FB can give links to posts so that you can laugh at people or claim you're on a roll.

Fedex
11-13-2004, 12:03 AM
no these are unrelated. If Clijsters goes 25-1 in six top tier events she plays then it's quite obvious she's a top eight player, if Gaudio plays more than twenty events in a year and is still ranked #10, then it's pretty clear that he is not a top eight player.

My view was not hypocritical, I think a wildcard should be given to someone who was injured for a large portion of the year but not just because a player wins one tournament.
But the fact is that one tournement he did win was a slam. Achieving that deserves a TMC berth. He was one of only 2 players to win a slam, that is a huge achievement.

Fedex
11-13-2004, 12:10 AM
fine Fedex, go ahead. Go onto Tennishack's board so you and GWH and FB can give links to posts so that you can laugh at people or claim you're on a roll.
No, gb, I like you and all, its just I didn't like that comment you made about Coria only losing the RG final because of injury or nervous break downs. Gaudio won the match, I know thats hard to accept.

Action Jackson
11-13-2004, 02:40 AM
no these are unrelated. If Clijsters goes 25-1 in six top tier events she plays then it's quite obvious she's a top eight player, if Gaudio plays more than twenty events in a year and is still ranked #10, then it's pretty clear that he is not a top eight player.

Are you deliberately trying to miss the point and if you are, you are doing a fine job.

It's not the point who is a better player and that has been proved by previous statements and how the rule works at this moment in time. You have a problem with Gaudio being in the TMC and yet if Clijsters was to benefit from the same rule, then you wouldn't have a problem it. How is that not hypocritical?

It's not about names, the thing is you can't complain about one player getting a wildcard because of a special rule and not the other.

Give me a Slam over TMS events anyday.

Ballbuster
11-13-2004, 03:14 AM
Are you deliberately trying to miss the point and if you are, you are doing a fine job.

It's not the point who is a better player and that has been proved by previous statements and how the rule works at this moment in time. You have a problem with Gaudio being in the TMC and yet if Clijsters was to benefit from the same rule, then you wouldn't have a problem it. How is that not hypocritical?



no, not the same rule. Clijsters would be benifitting from an injury rule, Gaudio benefitted from the Grand Slam rule

thanx for trying.

Action Jackson
11-13-2004, 03:20 AM
no, not the same rule. Clijsters would be benifitting from an injury rule, Gaudio benefitted from the Grand Slam rule

thanx for trying.

Read the original post. Just for you here it was again.

Same scenario if Henin-Hardenne had benefitted from this rule, she won a Slam, but had to miss a large part of the season for whatever reason, but was fit to take her place in the end of season field, but the ranking wasn't good enough at the time, would you be whining?

For whatever reason covers a lot of things and not just injury. Yes, it means the same rule as Grand Slam wildcard, you know winning a Slam outside the 8, but in the top 20. You wouldn't have a problem with that then? Yes, that's hypocritical as it said the same rule and not one that you have made up.

Action Jackson
11-13-2004, 03:40 AM
so much laughable that he beat agassi in two sets on a hardcourt, pushed federer to 3 on a hardcourt, beating ferrero twice , canas, gonzalez, scheuttler, grosjean, Schalken, novak. so fums are these all total losers? very laughable arent they?

Yes, he also pushed Hewitt and Moya and taking sets off them in their hardcourt meetings, but didn't you know he is just a loser and rubbish and has no right to play the game.

Fumus, I love it when you are insincere. :)

hitchhiker
11-13-2004, 03:48 AM
so much laughable that he beat agassi in two sets on a hardcourt, pushed federer to 3 on a hardcourt, beating ferrero twice , canas, gonzalez, scheuttler, grosjean, Schalken, novak. so fums are these all total losers? very laughable arent they?

those are not impressive results, his record at non clay slams tells the story. his as pitiful on fast courts as roddick on clay.
just like people would enjoy roddick getting thrashed at clay championship i will enjoy gaudio getting thrashed at fast court championship.

Fedex
11-13-2004, 03:50 AM
Ah, speaking of the devil! Look who's back to join the fun!

Fedex
11-13-2004, 03:55 AM
those are not impressive results, his record at non clay slams tells the story. his as pitiful on fast courts as roddick on clay.
just like people would enjoy roddick getting thrashed at clay championship i will enjoy gaudio getting thrashed at fast court championship.
Hmm, I think I've found an x-ray of hitchhiker's brain. So how did that operation go? Doesn't seem to have made a difference. :)

chris whiteside
11-13-2004, 05:32 AM
But the fact is that one tournement he did win was a slam. Achieving that deserves a TMC berth. He was one of only 2 players to win a slam, that is a huge achievement.

If winning a Slam deserves a TMC berth then why should the rules rules only allow for one place to be allocated to a Slam winner who doesn't finish in the top 8 in the Race?

More often than not, of course, the Slam champions are among the the Race leaders. Highly improbable, I know, but you could have 3 Slam holders outside the top 8, or, and this has happened in the past 2. In both these cases only the highest placed one will get (or got) the 8th place.

Personally, I would like to see the rules changed so that the top 8 players in the Race go to the Masters Cup but otherwise they should be consistent and make it Slam champions plus any remaining places going to those in order of the Race placings.

FryslanBoppe
11-13-2004, 05:39 AM
Interesting ideas chris, but consistency is the key here. I definitely value Slam victories higher than anything else in tennis and these should be rewarded, and as you said it's highly improbable there would be 3 players who would fit that problem, we've had 2 players and I doubt it would be any more than 2. So why shouldn't the highest ranked player, get the spot then?

I don't like the fact there is a possibility of players playing plenty of tournaments and not doing that well in Slams consistent 4R or worse, win 2 TMS events and do well in a lot of optionals and getting in that way.

Action Jackson
11-13-2004, 06:20 AM
I just think Gaudio will look totally out of place there. No disrespect to him, he's talented and all, but I don't consider him a top player, or even a threat to top players on a surface other than clay.

Just remember the excuses thread and if Gaudio wins a match or a set, then there aren't any excuses that are acceptable for such a travesty of justice.

Considering that he has also pushed Hewitt and Moya and taking sets off them in their hardcourt meetings, but I forgot he is such a loser and a disgrace that he shouldn't be playing at all.

Originally posted by FryslanBoppe
I don't like the fact there is a possibility of players playing plenty of tournaments and not doing that well in Slams consistent 4R or worse, win 2 TMS events and do well in a lot of optionals and getting in that way.

While whining about one rule, that above possibility is forgotten about. That's a very good point and I would rather win GS titles and if that means being outside the top then so be it.

Alisa
11-13-2004, 07:55 AM
i think he is both) and good and lucky...

Crazy_Fool
11-13-2004, 10:20 AM
Just remember the excuses thread and if Gaudio wins a match or a set, then there aren't any excuses that are acceptable for such a travesty of justice.

Considering that he has also pushed Hewitt and Moya and taking sets off them in their hardcourt meetings, but I forgot he is such a loser and a disgrace that he shouldn't be playing at all.

There's no excuses, he has the capabilities of pushing any player on a given day. I know he's played well against these players in the past, but it does not take away the fact that even with winning a slam he finished outside the top 8, which shows that he is not really a top player. i hope he proves me wrong, i really do, but somehow i think he will just really struggle.

Lala186
11-13-2004, 12:09 PM
he is a very talent player

joeb_uk
11-13-2004, 05:33 PM
There's no excuses, he has the capabilities of pushing any player on a given day. I know he's played well against these players in the past, but it does not take away the fact that even with winning a slam he finished outside the top 8, which shows that he is not really a top player. i hope he proves me wrong, i really do, but somehow i think he will just really struggle.

i dont think his results can be anymore embarassing than vera zvonerevas lol!

Crazy_Fool
11-13-2004, 11:01 PM
i dont think his results can be anymore embarassing than vera zvonerevas lol!
You have a point there!

hitchhiker
11-14-2004, 12:32 AM
Considering that he has also pushed Hewitt and Moya and taking sets off them in their hardcourt meetings, but I forgot he is such a loser and a disgrace that he shouldn't be playing at all.


on clay no one would object but he doesnt deserve to be there on hardcourt against best players even if he wins match/set or whatever. Thats not the point.

hitchhiker
11-14-2004, 12:33 AM
i find it ironic that the same people who are not giving roddick a chance in davis cup on clay expect full respect to be given to gaudio on hardcourts.

Action Jackson
11-14-2004, 03:28 AM
i find it ironic that the same people who are not giving roddick a chance in davis cup on clay expect full respect to be given to gaudio on hardcourts.

This Roddick thing is off topic for a start, but I will answer this.

One major difference between Gaudio on hardcourt and Roddick on clay. As bad as people make Gaudio out to be on hardcourt he has defeated much better players on a hardcourt than Roddick has on clay.

The people that Gaudio has beaten on a hardcourt, and he has pushed Federer, Hewitt and Moya on this surface.

Novak
Schalken
Kafelnikov
Ferrero (twice)
Agassi
Canas
Clement (year after he made the AO final)
Schuettler
Grosjean
T.Martin
F.Lopez
Enqvist

Roddick hasn't beaten the number of players of that calibre on clay. He beat Coria (only when he is returning from a suspension) and he owns Robredo, that's the essential difference.

on clay no one would object but he doesnt deserve to be there on hardcourt against best players even if he wins match/set or whatever. Thats not the point.

Well this has been answered already and big mouth where is your letter to the ATP whining about this rule? The same question I ask of gb would you be whining so much, if wasn't Gaudio that benefitted from this rule?

Action Jackson
11-14-2004, 03:31 AM
There's no excuses, he has the capabilities of pushing any player on a given day. I know he's played well against these players in the past, but it does not take away the fact that even with winning a slam he finished outside the top 8, which shows that he is not really a top player. i hope he proves me wrong, i really do, but somehow i think he will just really struggle.

There have to be excuses, as he doesn't deserve to be there and if he does well, then all the excuses will come out. Nobody has said Gaudio is one of the best players in the world, he has said that himself.

Yeah I forget winning a Slam is such a small thing, and as I said before winning a Slam or finishing outside the top 8 while winning a Slam. I know what I would rather. :)

hitchhiker
11-14-2004, 10:12 AM
One major difference between Gaudio on hardcourt and Roddick on clay. As bad as people make Gaudio out to be on hardcourt he has defeated much better players on a hardcourt than Roddick has on clay.


roddick has only been a pro for 4 years, gaudio for much longer.
roddick has only been in 20 clay court tournaments.

he has beaten
L.Horna
D.Sanchez
Schuettler
Pavel
Calatrava
Robredo
Coria
Sampras
F.Gonzalez
Chang
Koubek

not a impressive list but not far behind gaudios in far less tournaments plus he has won a couple of low clay court tournaments which gaudio has not accomplished on hard courts despite a lot of attempts. roddicks win loss percentage on clay is far better then gaudios on fast courts.




Roddick hasn't beaten the number of players of that calibre on clay. He beat Coria (only when he is returning from a suspension) and he owns Robredo, that's the essential difference.


if you respect roddick on clay in dc final i will respect gaudio in houston

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 10:23 AM
roddick has only been a pro for 4 years, gaudio for much longer.
roddick has only been in 20 clay court tournaments.

he has beaten
L.Horna
D.Sanchez
Schuettler
Pavel
Calatrava
Robredo
Coria
Sampras
F.Gonzalez
Chang
Koubek

not a impressive list but not far behind gaudios in far less tournaments plus he has won a couple of low clay court tournaments which gaudio has not accomplished on hard courts despite a lot of attempts. roddicks win loss percentage on clay is far better then gaudios on fast courts.


Stop using time as an excuse to justify Roddick's poor performances on clay. Hasn't Roddick been a top player longer than Gaudio, and more than likely will be? Roddick has lost to guys like Sargsian and Arthurs on clay, and at least Gaudio has lost to guys who are very good on hardcourt.

Roddick only does well in Houston, and top claycourters don't play there.

I am glad you did you say that wasn't an impressive list and it isn't. His best claycourt wins are a Chang long past his best, but it was a very good performance by Roddick. Robredo he owns and you do forget that Coria had just come back from a drug ban. Gonzalez would be equal to his best win actually.

if you respect roddick on clay in dc final i will respect gaudio in houston

How am I going to respect a guy who has done nothing at all on clay and hasn't had any real big wins on the surface? Sure Gaudio has been inconsistent, but at least he has beaten 2 Slam winners on hardcourt and 4 Slam finalists on that particular surface, something Roddick has failed to do.

hitchhiker
11-14-2004, 11:31 AM
Stop using time as an excuse to justify Roddick's poor performances on clay.


it is relevant because if season was 3/4 clay then roddick would get far more opportunity to get some wins as well


Roddick has lost to guys like Sargsian and Arthurs on clay, and at least Gaudio has lost to guys who are very good on hardcourt.


gaudio has lost to the likes of Sebastien Lereau, Michael Llodra when he was ranked 1334, Gambill, Sargsian on fast court slams.
on grass gaudio has only won 1 match during whole career, why dont we compare roddick on clay with gaudio on grass?


Roddick only does well in Houston, and top claycourters don't play there.


compared with gaudio who has not done well anywhere on fast courts in fact he has never made a final despite playing some challanger


I am glad you did you say that wasn't an impressive list and it isn't. His best claycourt wins are a Chang long past his best, but it was a very good performance by Roddick. Robredo he owns and you do forget that Coria had just come back from a drug ban. Gonzalez would be equal to his best win actually.


that is pretty good and sampras was good clay court player as well


How am I going to respect a guy who has done nothing at all on clay and hasn't had any real big wins on the surface?


what gaudio has done on grass is nothing at all. roddick has done something on clay, how many players never win single even small clay court title?


Sure Gaudio has been inconsistent, but at least he has beaten 2 Slam winners on hardcourt and 4 Slam finalists on that particular surface, something Roddick has failed to do.
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roddick has done some things on clay that gaudio never did on hard court to.

and if you choose to ignore grass then what about gaudio embarassing 5-10 career record on carpet, several of those wins coming against unranked opponents

Fedex
11-14-2004, 11:40 AM
Damn, why are all the trolls seemingly waking up now?

Fedex
11-14-2004, 11:42 AM
it is relevant because if season was 3/4 clay then roddick would get far more opportunity to get some wins as well




No, Roddick would still skip the majority of the european clay events.

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 11:44 AM
Got backed into the corner and decided to change tangents, stick to the respective issue instead of trying to make side ones that aren't relevant.

it is relevant because if season was 3/4 clay then roddick would get far more opportunity to get some wins as well

Not relevant why. He doesn't care about the claycourt season and isn't interested in improving his results, and no he hasn't shown the aptitude to improve his game.

gaudio has lost to the likes of Sebastien Lereau, Michael Llodra when he was ranked 1334, Gambill, Sargsian on fast court slams.

Gambill, Sargsian, Laureau and Llodra are fast court specialists, and yes fastcourt specialists do exists and can do well at Slams, just like the clay court specialists at RG.

on grass gaudio has only won 1 match during whole career, why dont we compare roddick on clay with gaudio on grass?

Irrelevant to the extreme. Gaudio on hardcourt and Roddick on clay, that's the issue and nothing else and the TMC is not on grass.

compared with gaudio who has not done well anywhere on fast courts in fact he has never made a final despite playing some challanger.

Has Gaudio deliberately entered hardcourts event at lower challenger level say when he was 50 in the world, just to win them?

that is pretty good and sampras was good clay court player as well.

Ramon Delgado beat Sampras on clay and as you are forgetting the top players don't play in Houston when the clay season on and therefore trying to compare Roddick's clay wins to Gaudio's win are not in the same league, which you have admitted yourself.

what gaudio has done on grass is nothing at all. roddick has done something on clay, how many players never win single even small clay court title?

Stop straying from the original issue. It's not about grasscourt tennis and Gaudio's form and never has been.

roddick has done some things on clay that gaudio never did on hard court to.

Yes, he lost to claycourt specialist Wayne Arthurs in the 1st round at RG.

and if you choose to ignore grass then what about gaudio embarassing 5-10 career record on carpet, several of those wins coming against unranked opponents

Is the TMC indoors on carpet? What are you trying to prove here? It has already said Roddick has has the overall superior results and no one has argued that.

It's ok, you can give up now and stick to the relevance of the original questions. It was Gaston's perfomances and wins on hardcourts and Roddick's on clay. There was nothing to do with grass and carpet and those are irrelevant when it comes to the surface of the TMC and the surface of the DC final.

^Sue^
11-14-2004, 11:49 AM
I JUST HOPE THAT ROGI CAN DO HIS BEST...

^Sue^
11-14-2004, 11:52 AM
Got backed into the corner and decided to change tangents, stick to the respective issue instead of trying to make side ones that aren't relevant.



Not relevant why. He doesn't care about the claycourt season and isn't interested in improving his results, and no he hasn't shown the aptitude to improve his game.



Gambill, Sargsian, Laureau and Llodra are fast court specialists, and yes fastcourt specialists do exists and can do well at Slams, just like the clay court specialists at RG.



Irrelevant to the extreme. Gaudio on hardcourt and Roddick on clay, that's the issue and nothing else and the TMC is not on grass.



Has Gaudio deliberately entered hardcourts event at lower challenger level say when he was 50 in the world, just to win them?

.

Ramon Delgado beat Sampras on clay and as you are forgetting the top players don't play in Houston when the clay season on and therefore trying to compare Roddick's clay wins to Gaudio's win are not in the same league, which you have admitted yourself.



Stop straying from the original issue. It's not about grasscourt tennis and Gaudio's form and never has been.



Yes, he lost to claycourt specialist Wayne Arthurs in the 1st round at RG.



Is the TMC indoors on carpet? What are you trying to prove here? It has already said Roddick has has the overall superior results and no one has argued that.

It's ok, you can give up now and stick to the relevance of the original questions. It was Gaston's perfomances and wins on hardcourts and Roddick's on clay. There was nothing to do with grass and carpet and those are irrelevant when it comes to the surface of the TMC and the surface of the DC final.
GOOD RESEARCH..WAY TO GO.. :worship:

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 11:53 AM
You don't need caps lock Sue.

Federer is a champion player and is the one to beat and even if he doesn't win this year, he has had the greatest year that any player has had for a long time.

Buddy
11-14-2004, 11:55 AM
i dont think his results can be anymore embarassing than vera zvonerevas lol!

Hey.. that's not very fair!! Firstly, we're talking about two different ranking systems..

Anyway, Gaudio is the Grand Slam Champion who is not in the top 8 in the race, while Vera was not even suppose to be in the top 8 had Justine not pulled out...

So give her a break will ya? She's just a consistent player who loses her emotions easily...

Anyway, back to the topic. I think Gaudio is really not bad, cos before his grand slams win he has quite a number of wins over other surfaces other than clay...

hitchhiker
11-14-2004, 11:59 AM
Not relevant why. He doesn't care about the claycourt season and isn't interested in improving his results, and no he hasn't shown the aptitude to improve his game.


and gaudio isnt interested in improving his carpet/grass results.


Gambill, Sargsian, Laureau and Llodra are fast court specialists, and yes fastcourt specialists do exists and can do well at Slams, just like the clay court specialists at RG.


gaudio has lost to the likes of magnus norman on grass. hardly a grass court specialist.




Irrelevant to the extreme. Gaudio on hardcourt and Roddick on clay, that's the issue and nothing else and the TMC is not on grass.


the issue is both players on worst surface.


Has Gaudio deliberately entered hardcourts event at lower challenger level say when he was 50 in the world, just to win them?


maybe roddick enter them to improve on clay.


Ramon Delgado beat Sampras on clay


what is your point? sampras has very good clay court record compare to average player.


Stop straying from the original issue. It's not about grasscourt tennis and Gaudio's form and never has been.


so if championship was held on carpet or grass you would say gaudio shouldnt be there because he doesnt have a chance?



It's ok, you can give up now and stick to the relevance of the original questions. It was Gaston's perfomances and wins on hardcourts and Roddick's on clay.

how about this?
do you want bet that roddick will do better at DC on clay in spain then gaudio in championship in houston?

btw are you and gwh the same person?

^Sue^
11-14-2004, 12:06 PM
Buddy, maybe ur right...

FryslanBoppe
11-14-2004, 12:10 PM
and gaudio isnt interested in improving his carpet/grass results.

Not the point of the thread but why are you continually missing this. To answer this one and the whole Gaudio on grass thing has been dealt with.

gaudio has lost to the likes of magnus norman on grass. hardly a grass court specialist.

Norman was a better player.

the issue is both players on worst surface.

Incorrect again, why you were saying how bad Gaudio is on hardcourt, when he isn't that bad especially to the other two surfaces that were mentioned. Then the Roddick on clay was mentioned and that is what it's about not Gaudio on grass/carpet, only on a hardcourt and Roddick on clay.


maybe roddick enter them to improve on clay.

No, he didn't want to play against tougher competition and in the beginning they helped him out, so I can cut him some slack on the first two seasons. The same for Gaudio one doesn't get better unless they play the best players.

what is your point? sampras has very good clay court record compare to average player.

What's your point? Sampras was competent on clay, and if you are serious it can't be considered a great win on clay as there are much worse players that have beaten Sampras on clay.


so if championship was held on carpet or grass you would say gaudio shouldnt be there because he doesnt have a chance?

If you must know I would laugh my head off if Gaudio made the TMC and it was on grass, but he would still deserveto play as the rule stands correctly, and yes that goes for everyone.

how about this?
do you want bet that roddick will do better at DC on clay in spain then gaudio in championship in houston?

One is three matches and the other is two. The best of 3 set format, over the best of 5 sets. The only way for this best to really work, it would have to be under Slam conditions.

btw are you and gwh the same person?

No.

Fedex
11-14-2004, 12:10 PM
maybe roddick enter them to improve on clay.


No. If he's going to try and improve on clay, he will play a full European Clay tournement schedule for a change, and not play some challenger events, or Houston. The only way you actually improve on the surface is by playing the best, and you wont do that if you play events like Houston all the time.

Kristen
11-14-2004, 12:11 PM
I love the obvious difference in this thread between speculation, and fact :hug: