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Federer Pulls Out of Davis Cup Team

Aurora
11-03-2004, 05:39 PM
BERN (Reuters) - Swiss World number one Roger Federer will not play the first round of next season's Davis Cup.

Federer told a news conference on Wednesday that the decision had been "very difficult" but said his priority for 2005 had to be the defense of his number one ranking.

Switzerland are at home to the Netherlands for the tie in early March.

The 23-year-old, who won three grand slam tournaments in 2004, has been the driving force behind Switzerland's Davis Cup challenge since making his competition debut in 1999.

In 2001 Federer played in all three winning rubbers to earn the Swiss a first-round win over the U.S., a feat he repeated in ties against Morocco, France and Romania.

Federer said the decision to move the Davis Cup's first round to directly before the Masters Series tournaments in Indian Wells and Key Biscayne, had influenced him.

"Those two tournaments are very important," Federer explained. "The tennis year isn't just the four grand slams. When I won Indian Wells last year, I had the feeling that I'd made a big step forward."

Federer said the recent thigh muscle injury that ruled him out of this week's Paris Masters had also played a part in his decision.

"It's essential to get some rest during the season," he said adding he was confident of being fit again in time for this month's lucrative Masters Cup finale.

Federer, who carried the Swiss flag during the Athens Olympics opening ceremony, said he hoped to be back in the Davis Cup team for their next encounter.

Depending on how the team get on without him against the Netherlands, that will be either a July quarter-final or for a battle against relegation in September.

© Reuters 2004. All Rights Reserved.

Mrs. B
11-03-2004, 05:41 PM
his choice. he's entitled to not play if he doesn't want to considering he's done so much for the Swiss DC team. but the other boys will be lost in the woods. :(

Fergie
11-03-2004, 05:46 PM
Switzerland will lose in the 1º round without Rogi because Roger is the team :rolleyes:

But his reasons are understandable ;)

alfonsojose
11-03-2004, 05:54 PM
Who cares? anyway, Ivo can lead them :tape: ... :haha: :haha:

Havok
11-03-2004, 06:03 PM
Good decision from Federer as he want's to do well at IW and Miami, but poor Swizterland, they'll never be able to get out of the first round of DC ties.

ytben
11-03-2004, 06:06 PM
I am sure the Swiss team care ;)

I think in a way this is good for the Swiss team. They will have to step up with Rogi's absence.

His recent injury must be the trigger to put his health first.

Eruwen
11-03-2004, 06:18 PM
Although I'm sad for Roger, I'm not too sad about this... This means that Holland has a good chance of winning the first round, which means a bigger chance for me to see Spain in Holland in july!!! :bounce:

Denise
11-03-2004, 06:27 PM
that's too bad... :eek: someone knows if he'll indeed play the Masters Cup?!

mitalidas
11-03-2004, 06:56 PM
Eerily reminiscent of Pete's putting his career ahead of Davis cup ( I support that --the way its structured right now, you get nothing towards atp ranking with DC, and it sucks the bejesus out of you)

RonE
11-03-2004, 07:10 PM
Eerily reminiscent of Pete's putting his career ahead of Davis cup ( I support that --the way its structured right now, you get nothing towards atp ranking with DC, and it sucks the bejesus out of you)

That is so right! Another eery deja vu- in 1997 when Pete played in DC final vs. Sweden, during his match against Larsson he was forced to retire to due a muscle tear- exactly the same injury Rogi is suffering from! That ultimately was the straw that broke the camel's back and thereafter Pete decided to stop playing DC.

People always talk about how McEnroe used to be able to play for DC and still compete at the highest level and be #1, but people forget that the game is not the same as it was 20 years ago, and it is so much more demanding and draining in all aspects- it is either Davis Cup, or #1.

Even Hewitt took out the rest of the post USO season just to concentrate on DC- that is how demanding it is.

Nymeria
11-03-2004, 07:14 PM
I'm somehow glad he won't play, now I won't have to think of buying tickets (so more money left for other things) and I can cheer for my own country :) But I'll miss him while watching Davis Cup.

Havok
11-03-2004, 07:15 PM
No Hewitt took out the rest of his season post USO last year because he was sucking and he knew it. The only way to save his shit season, for him personally, was to win DC. Now he had to do some serious training to have a shot at winning matches because he was losing to a bunch of "nobodies" for the better part of the year.

babsi
11-03-2004, 07:21 PM
He is only one guy and no one does a better job in representing Swisserland than he does.:) :) DC or not.!
He deserves a break:)
No need to risk a burn out!

bovenbuuf
11-03-2004, 07:41 PM
well its good for the Dutchies..

Adam Thirnis
11-03-2004, 08:12 PM
Looks like Roger won't be playing any Davis Cup tennis next year.

ae wowww
11-03-2004, 08:20 PM
Naldo, I love your avatar ;)
Can you send me it please??!

Deboogle!.
11-03-2004, 08:24 PM
it'll be interesting if he starts playing it again, namely around the next time the olympics come around - isn't one of the requisites for being on the olympic team that you made yourself available for DC/Fed Cup? too bad for the Swiss team, since he was all they had. I hope the other top players don't follow suit though, DC is special and a lot of them see it as just as important as being #1 and winning TMS titles.

babsi
11-03-2004, 08:44 PM
Hi,,ae wowww,
No need to explain why you like Naldos avatar ;)

Purple Rainbow
11-03-2004, 09:15 PM
A shame that Federer pulled out, however it is a boost for the Dutch DC chances. There's absolutely no reason to expect a walkover now, however.
Verkerk probably won't be able to play because of his shoulder injury and there's quite a gap in Dutch tennis after Schalken & Verkerk.

jtipson
11-03-2004, 09:15 PM
it'll be interesting if he starts playing it again, namely around the next time the olympics come around - isn't one of the requisites for being on the olympic team that you made yourself available for DC/Fed Cup? too bad for the Swiss team, since he was all they had. I hope the other top players don't follow suit though, DC is special and a lot of them see it as just as important as being #1 and winning TMS titles.

He's only missing one tie next year, it's not like he's giving up DC for good. He'll be back in the team for the second tie, whether it be a quarter-final or a world group play-off.

lunahielo
11-03-2004, 09:31 PM
From ytben~
I think in a way this is good for the Swiss team. They will have to step up with Rogi's absence.
I agree.

I think it shows a lot of maturity and chutzpah to arrange his schedule in this way. He seems to be taking care of his health and looking out for himself.
Very admirable~~IMO. :)

I want him to remain # 1 for a long time. He seems to know what it will take to acomplish this.
Good on you, Roger. :D

Leo
11-03-2004, 10:14 PM
Eerily reminiscent of Pete's putting his career ahead of Davis cup ( I support that --the way its structured right now, you get nothing towards atp ranking with DC, and it sucks the bejesus out of you)

But it's also one of the most prestigious titles in tennis.

I'm surprised by this decision.

nitsansh
11-03-2004, 10:58 PM
Why did ITF move DC to March??? Stupid decision...

I bet Rogi won't be the last player who won't play...

J. Corwin
11-03-2004, 11:19 PM
Might seem selfish but it's the selfish that get their place in history!

buzzy
11-03-2004, 11:58 PM
Might seem selfish but it's the selfish that get their place in history!

I wouldn't call it selfish...more like practical. Federer has to weigh the potential benefit vs potential harm. Look at all the top players whose participation ( or ability to perform) in Houston this year is still in doubt because of injuries. Moya, specifically, has been out since his injury in the DC match in September. The others are suffering from assorted injuries resulting from overscheduling. They all need some rest and if the DC matches aren't giving them any points for the ATP race, they have to prioritize their play. The ideal solution would be to award points for DC matches. They do count the Olympics for ATP points, don't they? Why not DC play? Then, all the top players would have the incentive to participate.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-04-2004, 12:43 AM
Might seem selfish but it's the selfish that get their place in history!

I don't know Wilander got a place in history and he was everything but selfish and still holds records today and didn't have a problem playing Davis Cup.

Deboogle!.
11-04-2004, 12:44 AM
He's only missing one tie next year, it's not like he's giving up DC for good. He'll be back in the team for the second tie, whether it be a quarter-final or a world group play-off.

aha ok, I extrapolated too much from the article. thanks :)

I don't know Wilander got a place in history and he was everything but selfish and still holds records today and didn't have a problem playing Davis Cup.

It's a personal choice, each player has to do what he/she feels is necessary. Someone like Todd Martin will be forever remembered perhaps not as a Grand Slam champion but as a wonderful team player. And for that, he can be just as proud. There's no shame in a player putting his own career ahead of Davis Cup and there's no shame in a player perhaps putting Davis Cup ahead of his own career.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-04-2004, 12:51 AM
I wouldn't call it selfish...more like practical. Federer has to weigh the potential benefit vs potential harm. Look at all the top players whose participation ( or ability to perform) in Houston this year is still in doubt because of injuries.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the respective topic Houston is coming up, the Davis Cup is months away.

Moya, specifically, has been out since his injury in the DC match in September. The others are suffering from assorted injuries resulting from overscheduling. .

So it was DC that caused Moya's injury then by your logic. Yes, there is an overcrowded calendar, but at the same time these players need to manage it well. DC is only a few weeks a year, and if it's going to effect them so badly, then why fly all the way from the other side of the world to play an optional, it's the guarantee.

They all need some rest and if the DC matches aren't giving them any points for the ATP race, they have to prioritize their play. The ideal solution would be to award points for DC matches. They do count the Olympics for ATP points, don't they? Why not DC play? Then, all the top players would have the incentive to participate.

Have you ever been to a Davis Cup tie personally? Actually it wouldn't be ideal for two reasons they have tournaments already with high points and that hasn't stopped players withdrawing from these events.

The second what points are you going to put on something that doesn't have a value as it's intangible. It's not about the points, it's not about just playing for yourself, playing within a team environment and if there were points, then there would be situation that they would be only turning up for the points and not totally concentrated on playing for their country.

The Olympics in tennis lack credibility, whereas the DC doesn't and unlike the Olympics has been a constant feature in the tennis calendar for years.

Marc Rosset is Tall
11-04-2004, 12:55 AM
For those who didn't get the message earlier. Federer has not turned his back on Switzerland forever when it comes to Davis Cup, he is only missing the first tie and will be playing in the QF or relegation tie to get them back in the World Group. It's obvious that the change in scheduling was the main reason for this decision.

It's not like Federer, is like Sampras who whined about Davis Cup and wanted it played every 2 years and there isn't a problem these days with the top players participating in the event.

ytben
11-04-2004, 01:23 AM
But it's also one of the most prestigious titles in tennis.

I'm surprised by this decision.

It is one of the most prestigious titles. If the Swiss has realistic chances to win DC, I am sure he will put DC first and then skip either IW or Miami to have his rest time. But right now Swiss chances are ..... well you know ;)

azza
11-04-2004, 01:33 AM
:woohoo:

J. Corwin
11-04-2004, 01:46 AM
I wouldn't call it selfish...more like practical. Federer has to weigh the potential benefit vs potential harm. Look at all the top players whose participation ( or ability to perform) in Houston this year is still in doubt because of injuries. Moya, specifically, has been out since his injury in the DC match in September. The others are suffering from assorted injuries resulting from overscheduling. They all need some rest and if the DC matches aren't giving them any points for the ATP race, they have to prioritize their play. The ideal solution would be to award points for DC matches. They do count the Olympics for ATP points, don't they? Why not DC play? Then, all the top players would have the incentive to participate.

I don't use the term "selfish" as a negative term all the time. :) For this instance I'm using it like you use "practical". :) He's selfish because he thinks about himself, and there is nothing wrong in that. He's doing the best to protect his health and I think he made the right decision.

J. Corwin
11-04-2004, 01:47 AM
I don't know Wilander got a place in history and he was everything but selfish and still holds records today and didn't have a problem playing Davis Cup.

You took my post too literally, lol. Refer to my reply to buzzy.

And I know Wilander wasn't selfish in bad way.

Billabong
11-04-2004, 02:37 AM
Good decision Rogi:)!

BlackSilver
11-04-2004, 03:14 AM
I think that a very important reason for him to take this decision is that with or without him, the swiss team doesn't have any significant chance to defeat the major teams.

Daniel
11-04-2004, 09:33 AM
nice decision Rogi :D

bad gambler
11-04-2004, 09:35 AM
federer is looking afater number 1 and i don't have a problem with that...its his career!

good luck to federer!

WyveN
11-04-2004, 09:53 AM
I said at the start of the year unless the DC schedule is fixed the current generation of top players will eventually begin to pull out of DC.
I got a feeling this is more permanent then just the 1 tie as well otherwise why would Roger pull out of a home tie 4 months before it, that Switzerland had a great chance of winning to gurantee a place in the world group the following year.
The excuse of concentrating on Indian Wells/Miami is weak as well, not like the tie is close to a slam or the two tournaments mentioned will make a huge difference in the rankings.

I wonder how Rosset feels about this.

yanchr
11-04-2004, 11:00 AM
I got a feeling this is more permanent then just the 1 tie as well otherwise why would Roger pull out of a home tie 4 months before it, that Switzerland had a great chance of winning to gurantee a place in the world group the following year.

I was thinking the same when I read it. I mean, if Roger pulls out in the 1st round and then decides to come back to help Switzerland stay in the World Group (well, most likely they will fight for a position there in Sep without Roger), why not play the 1st round to at the first place make sure their position there?


Actually I'm always preferring Roger to make such a decision, but it's just a little bit unbelievable that he actually makes the decision finally. DC is really a tough task, above all, always with a bitter end. I remember how much Roger was negatively affected just after every single tie. It's physically and mentally hurt, and deeply. I think it's a very understandable decision by Roger, though difficult. I'm just worried if Roger can endure all the pressure from his home country if they are harsh to him.

Anyway, I'm glad with his decision, like I always am. I want a long-live healthy Roger rather than a so-called patriotic but injury-prone Roger. Well, we all know he IS patriotic ;)

BaselineSmash
11-04-2004, 11:48 AM
If only Kratochvil could get it together, the Swiss could yet prove a more well-rounded team.

babsi
11-04-2004, 01:27 PM
Isn´t the first round DC directly before the Indian Wells Masters?
If so,Roger would have to play DC in Swizzerland,then fly to the Us-westcoast - 9 hours time difference - and play the first match within two days to defent his title and pionts -pretty tough-don´t you think?

buzzy
11-04-2004, 03:50 PM
Yes, that would be pretty tough. This was the same point I was trying to make in my earlier post. Roger (along with any other player who hopes to have a chance to qualify for the Master's Cup at the end of the year) has to really evaluate his schedule all year long to determine which matches will allow him to earn points while staying in good physical condition. Since some tournaments are counted automatically (TMS and the slams) it would be foolish to just randomly skip them for no reason. Obviously players don't compete when they are hurt or, as happened this year, the end of the year tourneys see some dropouts who are already secured into their TMC spot and can afford to rest. But early in the year, players have to build some down time into their schedule to stay healthy. That means being selective in which other international matches they play. Roger has opted out of Davis Cup and his is a perfectly legitimate decision. I'm sure it wasn't an easy one for him to make but he has a goal and has to look at how the DC schedule could wear him down.

buzzy
11-04-2004, 04:04 PM
Also, I don't see why it would be a bad idea to award ATP ranking points for Davis Cup matches. If the Olympics can count...and they are another "patriotic" playing for your country series of matches; then why not Davis Cup?

Because if points were awarded, then DC play would be as valuable to the players as the other international tournaments (of which they get to count their top 5). It would make the benefit/risk ratio for DC much better since players would not be using potential rest time to play. These could, instead, replace some of their other international match choices. How could that be bad?

nitsansh
11-04-2004, 08:50 PM
Isn´t the first round DC directly before the Indian Wells Masters?
If so,Roger would have to play DC in Swizzerland,then fly to the Us-westcoast - 9 hours time difference - and play the first match within two days to defent his title and pionts -pretty tough-don´t you think?
This isn't exactly so...
Unless they changed the schedule from last time, the men's main draw at IW start on Friday, and the 32 seeds all have byes so they don't play until Saturday or Sunday.
That gives the top players at least 5 days rest between DC and IW.

But it's still different from the traditional date in early February after the AO. I don't recall any time that DC WG was scheduled on a week before a GS or MS, or even ISG... it's a bad schedule, and I hope it's only a one-timer...

nitsansh
11-04-2004, 08:55 PM
Also, I don't see why it would be a bad idea to award ATP ranking points for Davis Cup matches. If the Olympics can count...and they are another "patriotic" playing for your country series of matches; then why not Davis Cup?

Don't you see the huge difference in format?
The Olympics was played in the same format as ATP tournaments, so they could get pts according to the round achieved.
How would you suggest to score DC matches?

faboozadoo15
11-05-2004, 12:28 AM
But it's also one of the most prestigious titles in tennis.

I'm surprised by this decision.
it's the title that's prestigious. federer can bust his ass and get the team to the semis every year, but that's not a title. roger can't even find a good doubles partner in switzerland to play with. and the team practically starts with a 0-2 deficit against every team they play. it would be nice if they had a shot at winning, but federer would have to go undefeated and also carry his doubles team in every tie.

i support the decision, though it's not ideal. you're right, it would be AWESOME for a guy like federer to have a davis cup title by the end of his career. just too bad he comes from switzerland (kidding, switzerland is lovely ;) )

Action Jackson
11-05-2004, 01:32 AM
Don't you see the huge difference in format?
The Olympics was played in the same format as ATP tournaments, so they could get pts according to the round achieved.
How would you suggest to score DC matches?

Don't use such logic and reasoned arguments it might kill some people.

Rosa Luxembourg
11-05-2004, 04:12 AM
he's been carrying this team for years... IMO he is entitled to miss one round.

federer_roar
11-05-2004, 05:13 AM
Personally I feel this is the only choice he can make given the current cirumstance: the new schedule and his top priority.

He simply has to do so in order to achieve.

Action Jackson
11-05-2004, 05:31 AM
This has absolutely nothing to do with the respective topic Houston is coming up, the Davis Cup is months away.



So it was DC that caused Moya's injury then by your logic. Yes, there is an overcrowded calendar, but at the same time these players need to manage it well. DC is only a few weeks a year, and if it's going to effect them so badly, then why fly all the way from the other side of the world to play an optional, it's the guarantee.



Have you ever been to a Davis Cup tie personally? Actually it wouldn't be ideal for two reasons they have tournaments already with high points and that hasn't stopped players withdrawing from these events.

The second what points are you going to put on something that doesn't have a value as it's intangible. It's not about the points, it's not about just playing for yourself, playing within a team environment and if there were points, then there would be situation that they would be only turning up for the points and not totally concentrated on playing for their country.

The Olympics in tennis lack credibility, whereas the DC doesn't and unlike the Olympics has been a constant feature in the tennis calendar for years.

Great post and I agree especially with the last three paragraphs.

liptea
11-05-2004, 05:41 AM
The pitfalls of doing Chemistry at midnight:

I had a dream that Switzerland was losing so badly that Marc Rosset jumped off the bench, punched his singles player and took his place. And then won handily.
:bigclap: :bigclap: :bigclap: :clap2:


If only.

liptea
11-05-2004, 05:43 AM
The ideal solution would be to award points for DC matches. They do count the Olympics for ATP points, don't they? Why not DC play? Then, all the top players would have the incentive to participate.

I believe the incentive is a hefty monetary reward and national pride.

alex.2812
11-05-2004, 05:44 AM
i understand he doesn't to play it because he is alone to win!

BlackSilver
11-05-2004, 06:12 AM
Give points on Davis Cup is totally illogical. There is tons of players that can't play Davis Cup because they don't make part of the team of his country. This without count the guys that are reserves and normally don't play. Even if they have good rankings, like the guys in the argentine team

loeliepoelie
11-05-2004, 02:00 PM
Although I'm sad for Roger, I'm not too sad about this... This means that Holland has a good chance of winning the first round, which means a bigger chance for me to see Spain in Holland in july!!! :bounce:

Great minds think alike :D That was my thought exactly!!!! I'll be a proud Spain supporter!!! So Holland, please beat Switzerland! :devil:

buzzy
11-05-2004, 03:21 PM
OK...

I concede! :bowdown:

I do understand the diff between olympics and Dc format but I figured there should be some way to award points. But I accept that there is no easy way to include Davis Cup in ATP rankings. I guess I just wish there were :)

I still think it's a tough call for some players to decide whether to put all that extra time into something that weakens them physically in the big yearlong ATP race; and it would have been good if they could have used DC as part of it. But I guess that can never be... :sad:

Horatio Caine
11-05-2004, 07:06 PM
Bit selfish of Roger - it's not as if he needs the extra rankings points from those events anyway. Switzerland haven't a hope in hell of winning that tie - with or without Schalken and Verkerk. He should have at least played a home tie - away is a littlemore understandable. I don't know - Henman carried our hopes single-handedly against Thailand and even had an injection in his shoulder to ensure he could play for us, despite his fear of needles. That is a true hero.

jtipson
11-05-2004, 07:16 PM
Bit selfish of Roger - it's not as if he needs the extra rankings points from those events anyway.

If he did play, it would mean having to miss Dubai (300 points), and messing up his prep for Indian Wells (500 points), so I think he's got a reasonable argument that the schedule screws his number one defence up.

Horatio Caine
11-05-2004, 08:03 PM
If he did play, it would mean having to miss Dubai (300 points), and messing up his prep for Indian Wells (500 points), so I think he's got a reasonable argument that the schedule screws his number one defence up.

All i can say is that if i were Federer i would play the Davis Cup tie. After all I would be filthy rich, number 1 in the world by far, favourite in virtually every tournament i enter...the lost goes on. I would feel proud to represent my country, particularly as they would need me so much. I wouldn't screw up my team knowing that if i didn't take part my team would lose.

jtipson
11-05-2004, 08:07 PM
All i can say is that if i were Federer i would play the Davis Cup tie. After all I would be filthy rich, number 1 in the world by far, favourite in virtually every tournament i enter...the lost goes on. I would feel proud to represent my country, particularly as they would need me so much. I wouldn't screw up my team knowing that if i didn't take part my team would lose.

Well, they have a reasonable chance against the Netherlands. It's not impossible ;) If they lose and he's not back for the play-off though, I'd be annoyed with him, particularly as it would be after the US Open when he doesn't *normally* play tournaments.

Ginger
11-05-2004, 08:59 PM
Henman carried our hopes single-handedly against Thailand and even had an injection in his shoulder to ensure he could play for us, despite his fear of needles. That is a true hero.
How many single titles Henman has this year? How many finales did he reach? He has plenty of time to rest and recover for Davis Cup matches. yes, a true hero...!

Ginger
11-05-2004, 09:02 PM
I wouldn't screw up my team knowing that if i didn't take part my team would lose.
Well... Roger took part in every tie in 2004 and I don't see Switzerland in the final tie...

Horatio Caine
11-05-2004, 09:05 PM
How many single titles Henman has this year? How many finales did he reach? He has plenty of time to rest and recover for Davis Cup matches. yes, a true hero...!

How is that relevant?!! Surely an injured player is at more risk of losing than a tired player? Besides, are you saying that Federer has got marked down on his calendar next year - be present for winner's ceremony Indian Wells and Miami?!!!! He's just being an idiot. Besides, he probably doesn't even have to train for the tie - it is likely to be held on hard court isn't it? He could just turn up 3 days later, a day before the tie, in good form and rested. What's the problem?

If you want to talk finals etc then look at the September Davis Cup ties this year - oh - Switzerland didn't play! Great britain did and Henman had 10 days rest - talk about exhaustion there and he still played and kept the tie alive into the 5th rubber. Besides, if it wasn't for the horrible Austrians playing us around with an impossible schedule, we would have won the tie with 2 very tired players who put themselves BEFORE their singles careers.

Horatio Caine
11-05-2004, 09:05 PM
Well... Roger took part in every tie in 2004 and I don't see Switzerland in the final tie...

What's your point?

Horatio Caine
11-05-2004, 09:07 PM
Well, they have a reasonable chance against the Netherlands. It's not impossible ;) If they lose and he's not back for the play-off though, I'd be annoyed with him, particularly as it would be after the US Open when he doesn't *normally* play tournaments.

If he doesn't play the first round and they lose then i cannot see him geeing himself up to play the likes of Morocco away etc.

Ginger
11-05-2004, 09:18 PM
What's your point?
Even with Roger in the Davis Cup team, Switzerland can lose. So a lost with no Roger in the team is not a big drama... Anyway, everybody in the team and among Swiss palyers agree with Roger's decision. They are happy to have a chance to play in the Swiss team! :)

Roger-No.1
11-05-2004, 09:34 PM
He probably doesn't even have to train for the tie - it is likely to be held on hard court isn't it? He could just turn up 3 days later, a day before the tie, in good form and rested. What's the problem?


Thanks. You simply don't care about Roger, his career and tennis players in general.

You seem to think players should get injured or tired to death (in this case, injury) to satisfy your own selfish motives.

His body just told him to calm down. He got injured. This is not something to take lightly.

lunahielo
11-05-2004, 11:30 PM
Rogi's decisions are not going to please everyone.
In my opinion, he has made an intelligent choice with this one. :)

nitsansh
11-06-2004, 01:37 AM
I still think it's a tough call for some players to decide whether to put all that extra time into something that weakens them physically in the big yearlong ATP race; and it would have been good if they could have used DC as part of it. But I guess that can never be... :sad:
It's as tough for Rogi as anyone else... when it comes to DC ties, it's as tough, phisically and mentally, for the world#1 who is expected to play 3 best-of-5-sets matches in 3 days and the world#100 who should do the same against players at his level.
And the latter one, if he wants to play at IW, should be ready to play qualifying on the following Wednesday while the likes of Rogi don't play until Saturday.

Horatio Caine
11-06-2004, 11:42 AM
Thanks. You simply don't care about Roger, his career and tennis players in general.

You seem to think players should get injured or tired to death (in this case, injury) to satisfy your own selfish motives.

His body just told him to calm down. He got injured. This is not something to take lightly.


That's a bit rich isn't it?!!! If Roger were to continue dominating the tour like he did this year then he should play fewer tournaments anyway (not that he plays that many anyway) so that he isn't playing too many matches - he should save his energy. Agassi has adopted a smaller schedule over the years and Roger should do the same because he is too dominant.

Really, what is the problem with him - why doesn't he defend his Indian Wells title and then miss Miami? The fact that there are back to back Masters tournaments 3 times a year is bad enough as it is. If players start deliberately missing some of those then the ATP may get it in their thick skulls to put at least one week between them.

But seriously, if a player wins both Indian wells and Miami then they are playing 4 straight weeks of tennis and that is daft. I think he should play the Switzerland tie - they are in the World Group thanks to his efforts. If it were a group 1 or 2 tie then yes - more understandable to miss it. Why should he play against players that the rest of his team should beat. Switzerland will get wiped without him, so long as The Netherlands field a strong team.

Miss Miami (he can afford to - 3rd round points to defend and no prospect of losing the number 1 ranking) - play Davis Cup. It is supposed to be a big honour to represent your country and Roger is their only hope. The benefits are numerous - Roger stands less chance of getting injured (2 weeks in Miami, rest of 2 weeks and then week of Davis Cup), his team are 80% sure of winning the tie...

Horatio Caine
11-06-2004, 11:46 AM
Even with Roger in the Davis Cup team, Switzerland can lose. So a lost with no Roger in the team is not a big drama... Anyway, everybody in the team and among Swiss palyers agree with Roger's decision. They are happy to have a chance to play in the Swiss team! :)

Fair enough if the players are happy but they have to accept it anyway don't they! They certainly aren't favourites to win the tie now but i reiterate a past point i made - if the tie were away then no doubt it is less appealing to play because you don't have home support etc but when this is a home tie for Switzerland then it is pretty disappointing that he doesn't represent them and they don't get to see the true sporting hero he is, in action for them again.

Yes the Swiss team do lose with him but only when he loses the doubles rubber! Without him in singles, they are bound to lose at least one of the matches he would have played plus maybe the doubles rubber too.

Why doesn't he say - I'll play home ties and not away ones?

WyveN
11-06-2004, 11:52 AM
Why doesn't he say - I'll play home ties and not away ones?

If you dont want to commit fully it is best not to commit at all, refusing to play away ties wouldnt make sense.

WyveN
11-06-2004, 11:55 AM
Agassi has adopted a smaller schedule over the years and Roger should do the same because he is too dominant.


Agassi is 34.....


Really, what is the problem with him - why doesn't he defend his Indian Wells title and then miss Miami?


Its a bit more complicated then that, what if he loses first round in IW?





Miss Miami (he can afford to - 3rd round points to defend and no prospect of losing the number 1 ranking) - play Davis Cup. It is supposed to be a big honour to represent your country and Roger is their only hope. The benefits are numerous


Roger decided doing all he can to stay #1 is more important then DC which Switzerland have close to 0 chance of winning. Whether that is the correct decision, who knows.

Wulfram
11-06-2004, 12:07 PM
I don't know - Henman carried our hopes single-handedly against Thailand and even had an injection in his shoulder to ensure he could play for us, despite his fear of needles. That is a true hero.

It may have been heroic, but it was also a dumb thing to do. He aggravated a shoulder injury which screwed up most of his 2003 and still gives him trouble on occasion.

While this decision is a little disappointing, Federer should take a lot of care with his health and fitness.

Horatio Caine
11-06-2004, 12:13 PM
It may have been heroic, but it was also a dumb thing to do. He aggravated a shoulder injury which screwed up most of his 2003 and still gives him trouble on occasion.

Yeah possibly but don't forget the fact he continued to play after the Davis Cup tie and he won a fair few matches in doing so. I guess you can't put that down to just playing Davis Cup - he might have properly screwed himself up when he played the last tournament of his year - Paris.

Horatio Caine
11-06-2004, 12:21 PM
Agassi is 34.....

What is the difference between an older player and an injured player? They should both slow down.


Its a bit more complicated then that, what if he loses first round in IW?

Given the fact he can't face a top player until the 4th round and he has a 1st round bye - he ought not to lose before the 4th round. Sure it happens but if he plays like he has done this year then it is UNLIKELY he will. As the tournament starts on Wedenesday (?) for him - he should have plenty of time to get his kick-ass world-best shots into form. If he loses in 2nd round - TOUGH. If he were prepared to take the risk - tough, it happens. Davis Cup is a nice way to expel past disappointment, if you win your matches.


Roger decided doing all he can to stay #1 is more important then DC which Switzerland have close to 0 chance of winning. Whether that is the correct decision, who knows.

No argument to that - everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Obviously mine is somewhat more controversial! :)

However...

all he can to stay #1

He can't lose #1 spot until the end of the clay court season unless he really does play badly - i.e. loses before quarters of most tournaments.