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MC too Early for Coria to return?

Tennis Fool
11-01-2004, 05:23 PM
Argentine will likely qualify for Masters Cup, but attempted early return could hurt 2005 campaign--Tennis-X.com

What do you think?

name_change
11-01-2004, 06:34 PM
ok, i've been pretty out of it when it comes to the atp lately, but what happened to coria anyway?

maratski
11-01-2004, 06:53 PM
He's gonna lose all his matches for sure so I wonder why he even bothers going there.

maratski
11-01-2004, 06:54 PM
I realise the same can be said about Marat in 2002 (he lost all his matches), but if you're rusty and not healthy yet, then I'd think Guille doesn't have his priorities straight.

jazz_girl
11-01-2004, 07:33 PM
I agree, he's gonna risk a lot by going there...

User ID 4783
11-01-2004, 07:38 PM
It just doesn't make sense since he hasn't played for months

Deboogle!.
11-01-2004, 08:38 PM
Exactly, Escada. IMO, even if he is healthy, a tourney like TMC is not the proper place to come back. He needs to enter one or two of the pre-AO tourneys and play lower-ranked players in order to get his match fitness and confidence back. Plus then at least he can be absolutely positively 100% sure he is physically ok to come back.

Chloe le Bopper
11-01-2004, 09:03 PM
He's gonna lose all his matches for sure so I wonder why he even bothers going there.
He might have a shot at Moya ;)

Jorge
11-01-2004, 09:14 PM
He might have a shot at Moya ;)
I don't think so

Chloe le Bopper
11-01-2004, 09:20 PM
I don't think so
I based my comment on the following:

1) Moya has also been out injured. Not for quite as long, but he's still a huge question mark. Hell, it's a question mark that he'll even play, if I'm not mistaken. (I *do* hope that he plays and is healthy for DC, so don't take that the wrong way)

2) Head to head: Coria has won their last 4 matches without dropping a set. One of those was at Houston last year. Coria knows how to play Moya. At Monte Carlo this year he said that he'd rather play Moya than Schuettler, and at Roland Garros he said that he'd prefered Moya to Robredo. Why? Because he knows that he knows how to play Moya.

All that said, obivously if Coria is a gimp and can't play worth shit, Moya will have a chance.

What are you basing your thoughts on, aside from the fact that you like Moya?

maratski
11-01-2004, 09:24 PM
He might have a shot at Moya ;)

How could I forget :o

TheBoiledEgg
11-01-2004, 09:30 PM
Coria could risk start of 2005 by playing here
as last reports saying his shoulder was still bothering him and he was serving like a pansy.

Too much of a risk and he's not gonna get any really easy matches here.

Bibir
11-01-2004, 09:30 PM
Everything is possible for Coria...If he's healthy...Who could have predicted Gaston's fate at RG?? ;)

Jorge
11-01-2004, 09:46 PM
I based my comment on the following:

1) Moya has also been out injured. Not for quite as long, but he's still a huge question mark. Hell, it's a question mark that he'll even play, if I'm not mistaken. (I *do* hope that he plays and is healthy for DC, so don't take that the wrong way)

2) Head to head: Coria has won their last 4 matches without dropping a set. One of those was at Houston last year. Coria knows how to play Moya. At Monte Carlo this year he said that he'd rather play Moya than Schuettler, and at Roland Garros he said that he'd prefered Moya to Robredo. Why? Because he knows that he knows how to play Moya.

All that said, obivously if Coria is a gimp and can't play worth shit, Moya will have a chance.

What are you basing your thoughts on, aside from the fact that you like Moya?

Coria has months without playing a single match, he has to be very rusty, must lack matchplay, Moya has been injured as well but as far as I know his injury is(was) not as severe as Coria's one (even Markus got Mad at Coria's decision to play the MC cuz in his opinion He is not yet ready to play a so high level tournament). In addition Carlos haven't been injured that long, he can't be as rusty as Coria is. Under those circumstances H2h are totally meaningless. Moyà should beat Coria... "If Coria and Moyá goes to Houston".

Aside from the fact that you like Coria... do you really think Coria is ready to play his 1st tournament in months, after a serious injury and to defeat great players who currently are in better shape than him? Unless you know something we don't know about Coria (i.e. Guillermo training lately in an impressive way... ;) )
Let's think Coria is fully recovered... then why the hell Markus got so angry at him by his decision on playing the MC? Makes no sense. I understand fans wanting to see their faves winning anytime under any circumstance and who knows? maybe a surprise happens like Moya winning the TMC or Coria winning a couple of matches or... Federer losing all his matches etc. :eek: Everything is possible yet some things are more likely to happen than others.
I wouldn't be so sure about Coria beating Moyá based on h2h, as I said before, It doesn't mean anything under the current circumstances, period.

Crazy_Fool
11-01-2004, 09:58 PM
Not worth the risk imo. Of course if he wins it, you wouldn't think that, but its better for him to be fresh next year.

star
11-01-2004, 10:05 PM
I think most of Coria's fans are quite nervous about the Masters Cup, but Guille seems to be hell bent to play there. It must mean something special for him.

Anyway he says he played a full set without any pain last week. He thinks he is progressing just fine and should be ready in terms of his physical condidition if not his match toughness.

Tennis Fool
11-01-2004, 10:20 PM
do you really think Coria is ready to play her 1st tournament in months, .

Her :eek: ;)

Jorge
11-01-2004, 10:29 PM
Her :eek: ;)
sorry it was a "lapsus linguae" :o as you have noticed my english is not precisely "perfect". besides for some reason I always have troubles with "her/his". I think is sth cultural because in spanish we have just one word for "her/his" regardless the gender, it's "su"... "María/Antonio jugará su primer torneo" :p

Carito_90
11-01-2004, 10:30 PM
I think most of Coria's fans are quite nervous about the Masters Cup, but Guille seems to be hell bent to play there. It must mean something special for him.

Anyway he says he played a full set without any pain last week. He thinks he is progressing just fine and should be ready in terms of his physical condidition if not his match toughness.

Agreed.

Guille wrote this in his website (his last email):

"No doubt, to have qualified for the Master motivates me even more to keep practicing hard. I know the lack of real matches plays against my chances, but my shoulder is responding well and I my desire of winning is still intact".
"Of course, I want to thank you, my fans, for always being there for me. I promise that I will write again before leaving for Houston to tell you how was my week and how I am felling".

By the looks of it, he going to play unless he pulls out right before it starts.

Chloe le Bopper
11-01-2004, 11:06 PM
Coria has months without playing a single match, he has to be very rusty, must lack matchplay, Moya has been injured as well but as far as I know his injury is(was) not as severe as Coria's one (even Markus got Mad at Coria's decision to play the MC cuz in his opinion He is not yet ready to play a so high level tournament). In addition Carlos haven't been injured that long, he can't be as rusty as Coria is. Under those circumstances H2h are totally meaningless. Moyà should beat Coria... "If Coria and Moyá goes to Houston".

Aside from the fact that you like Coria... do you really think Coria is ready to play his 1st tournament in months, after a serious injury and to defeat great players who currently are in better shape than him? Unless you know something we don't know about Coria (i.e. Guillermo training lately in an impressive way... ;) )
Let's think Coria is fully recovered... then why the hell Markus got so angry at him by his decision on playing the MC? Makes no sense. I understand fans wanting to see their faves winning anytime under any circumstance and who knows? maybe a surprise happens like Moya winning the TMC or Coria winning a couple of matches or... Federer losing all his matches etc. :eek: Everything is possible yet some things are more likely to happen than others.
I wouldn't be so sure about Coria beating Moyá based on h2h, as I said before, It doesn't mean anything under the current circumstances, period.
I allowed for the current circumstances in my post... I merely pointed out that if Coria was able to play well, I don't see why him beating Moya is such an ubsurd idea.

That said, no, I don't think that Coria should be playing, based on what I have heard about his condition.

I'm under the impression that his problems with Markus run a little deeper than him wanting to play the TMC, but I could be mistake. That is just my impression!

Chloe le Bopper
11-01-2004, 11:08 PM
Everything is possible for Coria...If he's healthy...Who could have predicted Gaston's fate at RG?? ;)
Or Justine coming back from several months off to win Athens ;)

SwissMister1
11-01-2004, 11:59 PM
Of course he should play. The Masters Cup is worth a lot of money and ranking points. Plus, it will make Mattress Mac mad if Agassi won't be there. Those two reasons are good enough for me.

Jorge
11-02-2004, 12:03 AM
I allowed for the current circumstances in my post... I merely pointed out that if Coria was able to play well, I don't see why him beating Moya is such an ubsurd idea.

I never said it's an absurd idea ;) What I am saying is this: "IF" Coria is not fully recovered he won't have a chance against any player @ Houston, unless some of them gets injured or sth. "IF" Coria is already fully recovered then it's another story, but according with what I've heard/read (seems you have heard it as well), Coria is not yet 100% recovered. If Carlos faces him, not being Guillermo enough recovered (physically and tennistically) his h2h's won't help him to beat Carlos or anybody else. Federer, Roddick, or Hewitt might thrash him badly.

I am agree with your other points

Anyway we are talking about "castles on the clouds". We are not yet 100% sure about Coria or Carlos playing the Masters Cup. Even Federer might skip it. So is better to wait until we know who's gonna play and who won't.

Chloe le Bopper
11-02-2004, 01:35 AM
Agreed, Jorge.

superpinkone37
11-02-2004, 01:52 AM
awww i miss coria. he was never one of my most favorites, but i like watching him for soem reason. i just hope he doesnt come back too soon.