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Judio
11-01-2004, 10:34 AM
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I♥PsY@Mus!c
11-01-2004, 10:36 AM
Oh my god,why did Andre withdraw the match? :eek:

jtipson
11-01-2004, 10:37 AM
Oh dear. Folks at TMS Paris will not be best pleased.

Congratulations to Coria, Safin and Henman.

jtipson
11-01-2004, 10:42 AM
Or Federer, perhaps?

CooCooCachoo
11-01-2004, 10:45 AM
Lucky Losers Hanescu and Sanguinetti get Byes into Round Two!!!

:lol: It's :crazy: But good for them :haha:

CooCooCachoo
11-01-2004, 10:45 AM
Andre :rolleyes: Was to be expected, wasn't it? :rolleyes:

Bibir
11-01-2004, 11:09 AM
Race is over!!...Can't believe it!!! :apumpkin: :apumpkin:
Paris (Hilton) tournament was a pure joke from the start! :rain: :rain:

novanora
11-01-2004, 11:11 AM
:eek::eek: :retard:

ok, i accept.....david, have a good rest, and well prepared for the next year 2005 :D

Horatio Caine
11-01-2004, 11:11 AM
Paris (Hilton) tournament was a pure joke from the start! :rain: :rain:

:haha: :haha: Roddick and Safin are still there so anything can happen! :tape:

roisin
11-01-2004, 11:16 AM
awh and i was looking forward to seeing who'd get to tmc. well if ever this tournament could be devalued further...has moya pulled out as well?

jazz_girl
11-01-2004, 11:22 AM
awh and i was looking forward to seeing who'd get to tmc. well if ever this tournament could be devalued further...has moya pulled out as well?
He did it yesterday.

Fergie
11-01-2004, 11:26 AM
Congrats Marat :yeah:

RonE
11-01-2004, 11:38 AM
It's not over yet- there is still no assurance that Federer or Coria will play.

poundcatt
11-01-2004, 11:41 AM
As`far as I know Marat still has to win 1 match in Paris and Tim 2 matches to become definites. Andre's absence will eliminate one scenario, but neither Nalbandian nor Andre were major factors in the race to MC.
It is Coria, Safin & Henman...still, as far as I know. Nothing about the race being over on either Reuters or Google Sports.

jtipson
11-01-2004, 11:48 AM
As`far as I know Marat still has to win 1 match in Paris and Tim 2 matches to become definites. Andre's absence will eliminate one scenario, but neither Nalbandian nor Andre were major factors in the race to MC.
It is Coria, Safin & Henman...still, as far as I know. Nothing about the race being over on either Reuters or Google Sports.


Of course it's over. There were 3 spots unclaimed, 5 possibles. If two of those possibles withdraw, then the other 3 (Coria, Safin and Henman) get the places.

Should Coria and Federer withdraw, they will be replaced, of course, with Agassi getting in first and then Nalbandian. But the race is a done deal.

RonE
11-01-2004, 11:51 AM
So, pending no withdrawals due to injury it will be: Federer, Roddick, Hewitt, Gaudio, Moya, Coria, Safin and Henman.

jtipson
11-01-2004, 11:53 AM
Yup. Should be fun!

buddyholly
11-01-2004, 12:45 PM
Considering the present state of injuries on the race list, Sampras, McEnroe and Monfils will be in.

WF4EVER
11-01-2004, 12:45 PM
The race can not be over when no-one knows for certain who will withdraw due to injury; there are at least four players who are suspect.

Bilbo
11-01-2004, 12:54 PM
we will have the worst masters cup ever, not a good season ending

TheBoiledEgg
11-01-2004, 01:03 PM
what an anticlimax :o

Paris and Madrid should be 2-3 weeks earlier and then play the mickey mouse events after.

jazz_girl
11-01-2004, 01:10 PM
what an anticlimax :o

Paris and Madrid should be 2-3 weeks earlier and then play the mickey mouse events after.
I agree.
And I cannot understand why Basel has a 5 setter final, a day before the last Master Series starts...

sigmagirl91
11-01-2004, 01:19 PM
Considering the present state of injuries on the race list, Sampras, McEnroe and Monfils will be in.

So will Edberg, Becker, and Lendl.

buddyholly
11-01-2004, 01:56 PM
So will Edberg, Becker, and Lendl.


Then this could be the best Masters' Cup ever.

Gigan
11-01-2004, 02:12 PM
Without Andre & David

the Hueston 2004 will be a tournament of

Lucky Losers ....


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:wavey: Andre Agassi forever :wavey:

Aleksa's Laydee
11-01-2004, 02:24 PM
right its time to kick henmans ass...:yeah: ;)

star
11-01-2004, 02:47 PM
Congratulations to the Die Hards

9 Masters appearances for the Year
Safin, Henman, Robredo,Hrbaty,Haas,Massu,Gonzalez,
Spadea,Ljubicic,Novak,Chela,Pavel,Srichaphan,Lopez ,Schuttler
Soderling,Arazi,Mirnyi,Bjorkman

8 Masters appearances for the Year
Hewitt,Gaudio,Youzhny,Horna,Ferrer,Malisse,Zabalet a,Sargsian


BUT
4 Appearances
Ferrero
5 Appearances
Coria, Agassi,Nalbandian,Kuerten,
6 Appearances
Federer,Roddick


I'm sure Guille would have liked to have appeared in more TMS tourneys. He did pretty well in the ones he was able to play. :)

Deboogle!.
11-01-2004, 02:52 PM
I'm sure Guille would have liked to have appeared in more TMS tourneys. He did pretty well in the ones he was able to play. :)

Definitely!! Juan Carlos as well!

Plus, that's only one year. Someone should do the 2003 list as well and see if the same people "perpetrated" absences. It's not like most of these players make *habit* out of missing these tournaments, for the most part. For example, I know Andy played all 9 last year.

It's too bad the exciting race ended like this :sad: But Hopefully both players will get well soon in case they do get the opportunity to play. Andre should still be the alternate and should still be invited to Houston, no?

Deboogle!.
11-01-2004, 03:09 PM
thanks Judio!! :smooch: So as you see, Andy, Roger, JCF, Guille and Carlos all did better last year than this year. Let's hope they do better next year and that this year was unusual. :)

Vass
11-01-2004, 03:10 PM
Strange that Andre just gave up. Could have given it one last push.

Neely
11-01-2004, 03:21 PM
The schedule and arrangement of tournaments is of course discussable and there could be always rooms for improvements, but the thing that I wouldn't change is that you FIRST the Paris TMS and THEN have "mickey mouse" events. IMO it's good that the last tournament before the Mastes Cup is a TMS because, if the race to Houston is close, it's more interesting when the players with remaining Masters Cup chances battle it out in the TMS.

Okay, it didn't work this season, but in general, I'm considering it as more interesting when the players who still have a chance to qualify for Houston, compete for these last spots at the same location.
IMO this is better than if the last tournaments and the last chance to gain points to make it to the Masters Cup are spread over different locations.

So I'm quite happy that we have one final TMS for all players that eligable to play as a last tournament before we go to the Masters Cup.

star
11-01-2004, 03:25 PM
The schedule and arrangement of tournaments is of course discussable and there could be always rooms for improvements, but the thing that I wouldn't change is that you FIRST the Paris TMS and THEN have "mickey mouse" events. IMO it's good that the last tournament before the Mastes Cup is a TMS because, if the race to Houston is close, it's more interesting when the players with remaining Masters Cup chances battle it out in the TMS.

Okay, it didn't work this season, but in general, I'm considering it as more interesting when the players who still have a chance to qualify for Houston, compete for these last spots at the same location.
IMO this is better than if the last tournaments and the last chance to gain points to make it to the Masters Cup are spread over different locations.

So I'm quite happy that we have one final TMS for all players that eligable to play as a last tournament before we go to the Masters Cup.


I think that's a good point, Neely. And if Agassi and Nalbandian had played we could have had that battling out here. Also it's interesting if the number one spot is up for grabs too. :)

jtipson
11-01-2004, 03:43 PM
Also it's interesting if the number one spot is up for grabs too. :)

I hope not! Surely it can't be, not until Melbourne, at least?

Edit: oops, I see what you mean, you had me scared for a minute then! Yes, it is more interesting if the number one spot is up for grabs during the last couple of tournaments of the year.

Corey Feldman
11-01-2004, 03:45 PM
ok good
now Henman, make sure ya finish on a number where ya dont have a group with Federer, and more importantly..hewitt :D
gaudio and coria...fine ;)

star
11-01-2004, 03:58 PM
I hope not! Surely it can't be, not until Melbourne, at least?

Edit: oops, I see what you mean, you had me scared for a minute then! Yes, it is more interesting if the number one spot is up for grabs during the last couple of tournaments of the year.

:lol: Gave you a rush, did I?

With Fedrerer as your favorite, you can be calm and relaxed. I think he could not play again this year and be just fine. He must be feeling pretty relaxed with the lead he has. I think he just wants to take the Masters Cup trophy to show the other guys that they aren't even nearly in his class. ;)

pablo2k1
11-01-2004, 04:28 PM
now we know why Agassi lost to ToJo... he had an injured hip
I knew a normal Agassi could not lose to him

Nymeria
11-01-2004, 04:41 PM
not bad news but not the way I wanted it. You know, I was hoping Guille could go to the masters, but now he gets his place 'easily' coz Nalbandian and Agassi won't play paris.

crouching
11-01-2004, 05:33 PM
I like having TMS Paris as the final event.

Do people remember TMS Paris in 2001? If I remember correctly, Kafelnikov, Safin, Henman, Haas and Grosjean were fighting for places the last two places.

Kafelnikov confirmed his place after he won a couple of rounds and Safin and Henman lost really early. Both Safin and Henman were eliminated from contention because of their early losses.

Haas and Grosjean were then neck-and-neck, fighting for the 8th TMC place. Grosjean was 34 points behind Haas. Haas and Grosjean met in the semis, so Grosjean had to beat Haas in the semi-final, and then win the title to qualify for the TMC...

In the end, Grosjean won the semi, and then beat Kafelnikov in the final... Quite a splendid achievement, and what great drama!

Tennis Fool
11-01-2004, 06:11 PM
Goes to show that the season should end soon after the US Open.

Deejay
11-01-2004, 06:16 PM
It was highly unlikely that Agassi was going to qualify anyway, it was too much of an ask after going deep in 2 consecutive tournaments and not winning them and then having to put together another run in Paris....

maratski
11-01-2004, 07:06 PM
I like having TMS Paris as the final event.

Do people remember TMS Paris in 2001? If I remember correctly, Kafelnikov, Safin, Henman, Haas and Grosjean were fighting for places the last two places.

Kafelnikov confirmed his place after he won a couple of rounds and Safin and Henman lost really early. Both Safin and Henman were eliminated from contention because of their early losses.

Haas and Grosjean were then neck-and-neck, fighting for the 8th TMC place. Grosjean was 34 points behind Haas. Haas and Grosjean met in the semis, so Grosjean had to beat Haas in the semi-final, and then win the title to qualify for the TMC...

In the end, Grosjean won the semi, and then beat Hewitt in the final... Quite a splendid achievement, and what great drama!

I was at TMS Paris in 2001 and remember other things of it. Safin ended the year ranked 11 I think and Hewitt never made it past the 2nd round. Kafelnikov certainly did cause that was the last time he reached a TMS final if I remember correctly ;)

crouching
11-01-2004, 10:49 PM
Sorry, I typed "Hewitt" instead of "Kafelnikov" by mistake... Silly me :) (Don't know why I did that)

Daniel
11-02-2004, 08:07 AM
Andre :sad:

~EMiLiTA~
11-02-2004, 10:33 AM
so could Andre and/or Nalbandian go as alternate(s)? Can there be more than 1 alternate?

jazz_girl
11-02-2004, 11:24 AM
David on being an alternate:
"No puedo pensar en eso ahora. Si se diera, bienvenido, pero no creo que los que consiguieron un lugar vayan a perdérselo. Seguro que después estarán todos"
"I can't think about that now. If I had the chance, it would be nice, but I don't think that ones that got their places would want to miss it. I'm sure that at the end, everyone will be there"

novanora
11-02-2004, 01:33 PM
so could Andre and/or Nalbandian go as alternate(s)? Can there be more than 1 alternate?
unless there were two suns rising from the mountain.

alfonsojose
11-02-2004, 03:25 PM
It can be. Fernando Gonzalez was second alternate in 2002

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/playerprofiles/Highlights/default.asp?playernumber=G415

~EMiLiTA~
11-02-2004, 03:33 PM
that's what I thought and that's why I asked

alfonsojose
11-02-2004, 03:42 PM
that's what I thought and that's why I asked
:hug:

Billabong
11-02-2004, 05:32 PM
:sad:...

Pea
11-02-2004, 06:18 PM
I have a feeling agassi is in the mood for retirement.

Experimentee
11-03-2004, 03:08 PM
I really wanted to see Andre at the TMC too :sad:
He should have known he can rarely play more than one week in a row, and not played Stockholm. Now he misses the one that matters :(

Deboogle!.
11-03-2004, 03:19 PM
According to Matt Cronin, Gil Reyes (who is working the past couple weeks with Guille in Vegas) may have given Andre a tip that he might not play. Speculative of course, but it might explain his withdrawal from Paris.

alfonsojose
11-03-2004, 03:33 PM
Nice move, Andre ;) Guillermo, If u want Gil, give me Houston :lol: