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Is the Race to Houston over now?

Horatio Caine
10-31-2004, 04:21 PM
Both Agassi and Nalbandian lost in two exciting finals that went all the distance. This is paramount for the race standings as, had they both managed to win, their mathematical chances of qualifying for Houston would have been boosted considerably.

The new Race top 10 looks like this: -

1. Roger Federer (Sui) 1117 *
2. Andy Roddick (USA) 656 *
3. Lleyton Hewitt (Aus) 613 *
4. Carlos Moya (Esp) 484 *
5. Guillermo Coria (Arg) 480
6. Marat Safin (Rus) 472
7. Tim Henman (GBR) 458

8. Andre Agassi (USA) 420
9. David Nalbandian (Arg) 389

10. Gaston Gaudio (Arg) 383 *

* = already qualified.

The question is, have Nalbandian and Agassi got the physical and mental reserves to complete their quest for a place at the Masters Cup?

Agassi trails Henman by 38 points
Nalbandian 69 points

Agassi must reach at least the SEMIS but if Henman wins his 2nd round match then he will have to reach the FINAL.

Nalbandian must WIN Paris to take Henman's place, regardless of whether Tim loses his 2nd round. If this happens and Nalbandian reaches the final then the two players will be tied on points and Henman has a better total of Grand Slam and Masters points combined than Nalbandian.

Is this too much them? What do you think?

Ballbuster
10-31-2004, 04:25 PM
don't jinx him Jez

Deboogle!.
10-31-2004, 04:25 PM
The question is, have Nalbandian and Agassi got the physical and mental reserves to complete their quest for a place at the Masters Cup?


Honestly? No, I don't think they do. But, hey, anything can happen. So it's not over til it's over ;)

Horatio Caine
10-31-2004, 04:42 PM
don't jinx him Jez


Oh nooooooooooooooo! I jinxed him already! Careless pulled out making Haas the 18th seed. Baldy will not have to play him 2nd round! :banghead: He'll play either Llodra or a lucky loser!

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :bigcry:

Agassi should reach the quarters at least so i think Henman will have to match that and get past the smiling assassin. :bigcry:


It's NOT OVER yet! The drama continues!

merle
10-31-2004, 05:21 PM
What??!?!?! Careless still pulled out?????????? Nooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! :bigcry: Drama all right!

Deboogle!.
10-31-2004, 05:24 PM
Agassi should reach the quarters

who knows..... Andre ought to be pretty tired by the time he gets to Paris.

Deejay
10-31-2004, 05:37 PM
But surely alot depends on weather coria plays or not. If the race was to stay as it is and coria pulls out(which he is rumoured to do anyway), Agassi will go to Houston as he is the next highest placed player outside the top 8 that have qualified for Houston - so does that mean that one of agassi and nalbandian are basically guarenteed to qualify anyway???

Aleksa's Laydee
10-31-2004, 05:48 PM
I reckon david will be tired too..who knows :shrug:

Deboogle!.
10-31-2004, 05:58 PM
so does that mean that one of agassi and nalbandian are basically guarenteed to qualify anyway???

IF Coria pulls out, yes. But he hasn't done that yet, and has supposedly split with his coach because he wants to play...so...

RonE
10-31-2004, 06:13 PM
IF Coria pulls out, yes. But he hasn't done that yet, and has supposedly split with his coach because he wants to play...so...

Not only that, there is still no guarantee that Federer will participate- if the injury persists and Coria won't play either then both Nalbandian and Agassi are in.

loeliepoelie
10-31-2004, 06:24 PM
This really is drama!!! lol Will be exciting to follow their progress this week!!!

Bilbo
10-31-2004, 06:42 PM
Andre is tired as hell. He won't go far.

maratski
10-31-2004, 06:49 PM
Andre is tired as hell. He won't go far.

Never count the old man out ;)

Horatio Caine
10-31-2004, 06:53 PM
Never count the old man out ;)


Definitely not - that man is a robot (not only because he struts around the back of the court between points like he is desperate for a piss)!

I think David can be counted out of qualifying by right - he apparently has picked up a leg injury and will decide tomorrow as to whether he plays Paris.

Deboogle!.
10-31-2004, 08:27 PM
This is from the ATP - very helpful!!!

Who Will Qualify for Tennis Masters Cup Houston?

Three playing berths and the alternate spot to Tennis Masters Cup Houston are up for grabs this week at the BNP Paribas Masters in Paris.

Here are the qualifying scenarios:

Guillermo Coria: Not playing in Paris due to injury. Will qualify if any TWOof the following scenarios take place: 1) Safin loses his opening match; 2) Henman loses before the quarterfinals; 3) Agassi loses before the final; 4) Nalbandian doesn't win the title.

Marat Safin: Will qualify regardless of other results if he wins one match in Paris. If he loses, he will need any TWO of the following scenarios to take place: 1) Henman to lose his opening match; 2) Agassi to lose before the final; or 3) Nalbandian to lose before the final.

Tim Henman: Will qualify regardless of other results if he advances to the quarterfinals in Paris. If he loses in his opening match (1 point), he will be in if Agassi loses before the semifinals and Nalbandian fails to win the title.
If he wins one match but loses in the third round, he will need any TWO of these three scenarios to take place: 1) Safin loses in the second round; 2) Agassi loses before the quarterfinals; or 3) Nalbandian doesn't win the title.

Andre Agassi: Agassi will qualify regardless of other results if he advances to the final in Paris. If Henman loses in the first round, Agassi will be in if he reaches the semifinal and Nalbandian does not win the title, otherwise he needs to reach the final.

David Nalbandian: Nalbandian will qualify regardless of other results if he wins Paris title. If he doesn't win the title he will not qualify.

Domino
10-31-2004, 08:37 PM
So basically, if Agassi does not reach the semifinals, then the final three MC contenders will be Coria, Henman, and Safin, which I will be happy with. I know, Nalbandian can still make it, but with his injury, this is doubtful.

Wulfram
10-31-2004, 09:05 PM
Tim Henman:
If he wins one match but loses in the third round, he will need any TWO of these three scenarios to take place: 1) Safin loses in the second round; 2) Agassi loses before the quarterfinals; or 3) Nalbandian doesn't win the title.

2) should be the finals. Note that 2) and 3) would then be mutually exclusive, meaning that if Henman wins his first round match and Safin doesn't, Henman is through.

Unless I've messed up my calculations somewhere, which is very possible

Daniel
11-01-2004, 06:55 AM
so at the endo the week, the otehr 3 will be: Henman, Agassi and Safin :D :D

Horatio Caine
11-01-2004, 09:57 AM
The Race is over! Agassi and Nalbandian withdraw from Paris and their places are filled by lucky-losers. I'm not surprised Nalbandian withdrew - but agassi?!! :eek: :eek:

KayTang999
11-01-2004, 04:31 PM
Safin and Henman are lucky losers? They have more points than Agassi and Nalbandian. But yeah the race is over.

Deejay
11-01-2004, 05:19 PM
Agassi withdrew with a sore hip

naiwen
11-01-2004, 06:00 PM
What a shame.
I thought they would keep fighting until end of this week.

Pancakesong
11-01-2004, 06:58 PM
I don't bother, Guille can play!!