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Ash86
06-17-2012, 03:52 PM
Think this deserves its own thread separate to the match thread. Seems to be disagreement between journalists about whether ATP/ITF will take action any further than the disqualification - will it just be a fine or will he get a ban too?

I think the remarks about the ATP on court might also have gotten him in trouble. Would be surprised if this was just a fine. Odd for ATP supervisor to say categorically on BBC that it would go no further than the disqualification.

Feel bad for Nalby as he didn't mean to injure the linesman but he kicked that board and has to live with the consequences sadly. Hope nothing in jeapordy for Wimby or Olympics.

Mark Lenders
06-17-2012, 03:53 PM
The ATP supervisor guarantee that there will be no further bans for Nalbandian outside of this tournament, hopefully they will stick to their word.

E-r-i-c
06-17-2012, 03:56 PM
ITF will say they do not know anything.

BroTree123
06-17-2012, 03:57 PM
Suspension for a month or so could be a possibility. The fact that Nalbandian criticized the ATP with such bad timing isn't going to do much justice to his situation either.

Action Jackson
06-17-2012, 03:58 PM
Don't think he will be suspended for the Olympics. He might get a fine from the ATP, then again being right about the ATP will result in a fine.

SheepleBuster
06-17-2012, 03:59 PM
Nothing a public visit to a hospital or feeding the poor while camera is rolling won't fix. But hopefully he will get to play at Wimbledon. I like Nalbandian. He can play unlike Cilic

swebright
06-17-2012, 04:00 PM
The rulebook said he'll be fined (rule 8.04), which would be his runner up prize; which is about 56,000 USD.

How much did Nole get fined for abusing the sponsor label at FO?

Shinoj
06-17-2012, 04:00 PM
Its highly unfortunate twhat happened today. I hope Nalbandian gets away with a small fine because TENNIS NEEDS PERSONALITIES LIKE NALBANDIAN

rubbERR
06-17-2012, 04:01 PM
Action? Most likely torture and after throwing hole of crocodiles.

Ash86
06-17-2012, 04:01 PM
Nalbandian continuing to dig that hole - via @ubitennis:

NNalbandian claims ATP force players to sign a document at start of year in which they promise to agree/not 2 criticise ATP- no sign, no play

Don't think Rafa and Novak have been abiding by that...

BroTree123
06-17-2012, 04:03 PM
Good for him if he does get suspended from the tour though. I guess that means he can catch up on his off-season Big Macs a little earlier this year.

SheepleBuster
06-17-2012, 04:04 PM
ATP is a mafia. What did you expect? But Nalby needs to get a life. In the U.S., if you criticize NBA, NFL, or whatever, you get hefty fines and suspensions

Johnny Groove
06-17-2012, 04:06 PM
Lifetime ban from Burger King.

10 year ban from Mcdonalds (some leniency must be observed).

rubbERR
06-17-2012, 04:06 PM
ATP is a mafia. What did you expect? But Nalby needs to get a life. In the U.S., if you criticize NBA, NFL, or whatever, you get hefty fines and suspensions

If traveller like him doesnt have life then who does? :lol:

decrepitude
06-17-2012, 04:10 PM
The ATP supervisor guarantee that there will be no further bans for Nalbandian outside of this tournament, hopefully they will stick to their word.
I would need to hear it again to be sure, but I thought he said there would be no further outcome FROM THIS TOURNAMENT. That would be all he could know for sure, it's up to the ATP to look at things and consider if there should be further action.

tommyg6
06-17-2012, 04:16 PM
My guess, a lifetime burger coupon from Burger King to keep Nalby quiet.

Priam
06-17-2012, 04:27 PM
Fat camp.

Chris Kuerten
06-17-2012, 04:27 PM
I seriously wonder what would've happened if someone from the top 3 (top 4 in this case) would've done this.

Fujee
06-17-2012, 04:32 PM
At least someone spoke up and wasn't pussy footing around the issue. Well done David.

Cloudygirl
06-17-2012, 04:39 PM
Default and a massive fine is fair.

Tim Henman got defaulted that time at wimbledon when he accidentally hit a ballgirl.

Hopefully it will be a lesson to him to control his temper

Nr 1 Fan
06-17-2012, 04:43 PM
Seems like most of you are backing Nalby up for criticizing ATP. I mean, really? First of all, his reaction of insulting ATP was in no way relevant to what he did and only shows he has no regret or shame at all. Besides, what proof there is that the ATP are so corrupt and hypocrite?

Ash86
06-17-2012, 04:46 PM
I seriously wonder what would've happened if someone from the top 3 (top 4 in this case) would've done this.

The only likely candidate is Djokovic. Nadal and Fed have outbursts but rarely hit things. Novak already destroyed that advertising board on Sunday (and was fined $2000). If some shrapnel from that had injured a ball girl for example would they have DQ him? I actually think they would... Injury to another is a line where there isn't room for discretion.

If the linesperson hadn't got hurt today Nalby would have got a verbal warning and maybe a fine afterwards - nothing more. He was unlucky in a way that it had unintended consequences.

Don't think top 3 would get good treatment either in a scenario like this - though obviously they do get more discretion than others. (E.g. I'm not sure lower ranked players would have gotten away with the rant that Nadal had at WTF 2010 vs Berdych as easily as Rafa did - he said at one point "I'm not playing", nearly sat down and got the supervisor on court - held up the game for a while but no real penalty.)

Sapeod
06-17-2012, 04:57 PM
Hopefully, he gets fined and banned for a good couple of months.

rocketassist
06-17-2012, 05:05 PM
I seriously wonder what would've happened if someone from the top 3 (top 4 in this case) would've done this.

Would have got the same treatment in a small tournament, but the ITF would let them off in a grand slam most likely.

Ash86
06-17-2012, 05:09 PM
From Argentine journalist @FueBuena:

Nalbandian will lose points & prize money from the tournament, could get up to a 10,000-dollar fine .

Apparently no suspension. Can't really complain if this is all he gets.

Mark Lenders
06-17-2012, 05:12 PM
He's getting robbed of 150 ranking points then... guess it could be worse.

Manequin75
06-17-2012, 05:13 PM
in the jerry seinfeld world nalbandian would be the linesman's butler for one day and we could then carry on with our lives. Atleast for fans it is more predictable than ATP rules.

Sapeod
06-17-2012, 05:16 PM
He loses all of his points and prize money, good! If he doesn't gets a suspension then this is enough at least.

hipolymer
06-17-2012, 05:17 PM
I think he deserves to keep his final points. Money penalty is enough.

Mark Lenders
06-17-2012, 05:17 PM
He loses all of his points and prize money, good! If he doesn't gets a suspension then this is enough at least.

It's just 150 ranking points and prize money is relatively worthless for someone as rich as Nalbandian.

Looner
06-17-2012, 05:18 PM
He should not lose his points and I think he should lose the difference between finals and semifinals prize money. Come on...

Deathless Mortal
06-17-2012, 05:18 PM
in the jerry seinfeld world nalbandian would be the linesman's butler for one day and we could then carry on with our lives. Atleast for fans it is more predictable than ATP rules.

:haha:

Sapeod
06-17-2012, 05:19 PM
It's just 150 ranking points and prize money is relatively worthless for someone as rich as Nalbandian.
Sure, but he loses what he worked for this week, so that's good enough. I would've banned him for a month or two, but whatever.

JMG
06-17-2012, 05:22 PM
Maybe the old linesman prick could sue Nalbandian. He looked very upset, as if Nalbandian intentionally hurt him. Why couldn't he act like a man and tell them to continue?

motorhead
06-17-2012, 05:23 PM
the only person who should be banned here is Sapeod so we'll not have to read his silly comments any further.

NyGeL
06-17-2012, 05:29 PM
ATP is a mafia. What did you expect? But Nalby needs to get a life. In the U.S., if you criticize NBA, NFL, or whatever, you get hefty fines and suspensions

lol, kings of democracy and freedom hahaha

tommyg6
06-17-2012, 05:30 PM
Naldby doesn't need to be punished any more, He already got defaulted. Cmon, we don't need points or fines involved. Besides, it was a good thing he spoke up against the Atp

Allegretto
06-17-2012, 05:30 PM
the old linesman prick
Yeah, what a fucking jerk that guy is for being booted by some fat Argie. I blame the entire thing on this old bastard.

tommyg6
06-17-2012, 05:31 PM
Yeah, what a fucking jerk that guy is for being booted by some fat Argie. I blame the entire thing on this old bastard.

LOL.

Sapeod
06-17-2012, 05:35 PM
Yeah, what a fucking jerk that guy is for being booted by some fat Argie. I blame the entire thing on this old bastard.
JMG has no idea what's he talking about :lol: He seems to be a raging Nalbandian fan, so let's cut him some slack :shrug:

Jimnik
06-17-2012, 05:45 PM
Maybe the old linesman prick could sue Nalbandian. He looked very upset, as if Nalbandian intentionally hurt him. Why couldn't he act like a man and tell them to continue?
:facepalm:

Crisstti
06-17-2012, 05:54 PM
The only likely candidate is Djokovic. Nadal and Fed have outbursts but rarely hit things. Novak already destroyed that advertising board on Sunday (and was fined $2000). If some shrapnel from that had injured a ball girl for example would they have DQ him? I actually think they would... Injury to another is a line where there isn't room for discretion.

If the linesperson hadn't got hurt today Nalby would have got a verbal warning and maybe a fine afterwards - nothing more. He was unlucky in a way that it had unintended consequences.

Don't think top 3 would get good treatment either in a scenario like this - though obviously they do get more discretion than others. (E.g. I'm not sure lower ranked players would have gotten away with the rant that Nadal had at WTF 2010 vs Berdych as easily as Rafa did - he said at one point "I'm not playing", nearly sat down and got the supervisor on court - held up the game for a while but no real penalty.)

He had every right to get the supervisor on court. And, despite of what he said in a moment, he did not refuse to continue playing.

He should not lose his points and I think he should lose the difference between finals and semifinals prize money. Come on...

Can't believe some people here :confused:
He actually injured someone while involving himself in what is unsporting attitude.
I like Nalbandián, but please.

Matt01
06-17-2012, 05:54 PM
the only person who should be banned here is Sapeod so we'll not have to read his silly comments any further.


His posts have been rather reasonable in this topic which is a nice change. Some other clowns here, though :facepalm:

Ibracadabra
06-17-2012, 05:56 PM
The rule question is will the linesman be banned for diving? definitely made a meal of it.

All his ranking points from queens is abit harsh considering he had to play 6 sets in one afternoon to reach the semis.

BauerAlmeida
06-17-2012, 06:01 PM
Sure, but he loses what he worked for this week, so that's good enough.

That's why this is WRONG. What happened today has nothing to do with the rest of the week. He was disqualified from the final already and should be fined economically, but not lose the points he won. That's completely ridiculous.



All his ranking points from queens is abit harsh considering he had to play 6 sets in one afternoon to reach the semis.

This.

He had to play TWO matches in a day in a wet court, and all for nothing? The ATP is a joke.

Parera_Starr10
06-17-2012, 06:07 PM
David defaulting and losing the prize money and points is enough. If the linesmen requires medical attention an it anit cheat in England, David should be made to pay for it. That's about it

Ash86
06-17-2012, 06:09 PM
According to Matt Cronin on twitter Nalby has now over $18,000 of fines this year - $10k for Queens, $8k for Aus Open - could mean 8 week suspension under ATP rules apparently.... :shrug:

Looner
06-17-2012, 06:10 PM
He had every right to get the supervisor on court. And, despite of what he said in a moment, he did not refuse to continue playing.



Can't believe some people here :confused:
He actually injured someone while involving himself in what is unsporting attitude.
I like Nalbandián, but please.

Do not lecture me on ethics when you have that in your avatar. It's fair he gets punished for his behaviour in this match. He did nothing wrong in the tournament as a whole. Get a life.

Jamoz
06-17-2012, 06:26 PM
Hmm...maybe they should force feed him truck load of burgers.

Wing Man Frank
06-17-2012, 06:30 PM
Decided to make a transcript of every single word that was said. Haven't left anything out.

Q: What do you want to say?

A: Yeah, first of all I'm very sorry to, to do that, but err...sometimes you get very frustrated here on court and it's tough to control that, sometimes I do mistake, I agree with that, so it's very tough moment to win a final like that. But sometimes we feel so much pressure from the ATP trying to play a lot of tournaments, try to play (boos then begin), no, no, no, hear this one, in a wet condition and ATP doesn't do anything to us and today I do a mistake, I have to pay like that and sometimes I disagree with that...and I agree I do a mistake, but sometimes everybody do a mistakes, and i didn't feel it had to end like that, especially on a final...very sorry.

Q: But you do understand it has happened before? It has happened before and when someone gets injured the rule is...default.

A: Yeah, but there is a lot of rules and something they don't do anything (shrugs his shoulders)

Q: But anyway it's not the way you would have wanted it to end is it?

A: The rulebook is very big, very big, and I can tell, can tell you that ATP do a lot of mistakes, a lot of mistakes to the players and nothing happened so thats what players disagree to ATP.

Q: So you feel you should have been allowed to play on? (asks again as he doesn't hear) You feel you should have been allowed to play on?

A: No, I don't know....

Q: Well anyway we appreciate you coming and apologising to the people as well, ladies and gentleman David Nalbandian.

I'll let you decide how sincere and apologetic Nalbandian was...

misty1
06-17-2012, 07:04 PM
i say let it go. Look, it was a mistake, he feels bad about what he did ..which was an accident already and he's no doubt apologised to the linesman.He's also had the punishment of being defaulted in the match. Its over

if he did it on purpose it would be a different story

tripwires
06-17-2012, 07:07 PM
If the ATP has any sense at all it wouldn't punish nalby beyond the match disqualification and a fine.

misty1
06-17-2012, 07:09 PM
If the ATP has any sense at all it wouldn't punish nalby beyond the match disqualification and a fine.

that is a pretty big if. Past has shown the ATP has little to no common sense

Hypnotize
06-17-2012, 08:03 PM
The ATP supervisor guarantee that there will be no further bans for Nalbandian outside of this tournament, hopefully they will stick to their word.
He didn't guarantee anything of the kind. He merely said they wouldn't be taking action beyond this tournament but that was just in answer to the question when he was interviewed. It wasn't an official statement by any means. That may change once they review the incident and Davids speech, look at the replays and they will also take into consideration the seriousness of the man's injury. We won't know until next week if they impose any further penalties.

syc23
06-17-2012, 08:11 PM
It was comical in the way that the lines judge is completely milking the situation. As said before, it is inexcusable for Nalby to kick the box and causing injury but that lines judge had a quick look at David, then realised what had happened, instantly thought of £$£$$ he could stand to make and proceeded to roll about on the turf as if he had been shot.

I was watching the final and commented straightaway that had Fed, Djoko, Rafa, Masha, Serena had done the same, the umpire would not have the balls to default.

ATP will severely punish Nalby and there's likely to be a lawsuit from the lines judge too. There will be interviews on national TV, radio and most likely a film will be written as we are discussing this topic.

Hypnotize
06-17-2012, 08:15 PM
That's why this is WRONG. What happened today has nothing to do with the rest of the week. He was disqualified from the final already and should be fined economically, but not lose the points he won. That's completely ridiculous.



This.

He had to play TWO matches in a day in a wet court, and all for nothing? The ATP is a joke.

If he is going to behave like a spoiled child, he needs to be punished sufficiently so learns from this. The reason he did this today is because the ATP have let him off with a slapped wrist too often in the past. If he is banned, he might finally grow up. ;)

CooCooCachoo
06-17-2012, 08:18 PM
Take his prize money and give it to charity.

Maybe there's some shin disease. Or a fund for geriatric patients.

safin-rules-no.1
06-17-2012, 08:18 PM
ATP will severely punish Nalby and there's likely to be a lawsuit from the lines judge too. There will be interviews on national TV, radio and most likely a film will be written as we are discussing this topic.

:spit:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tjpV9qAjCn4/T3G8EisLeRI/AAAAAAAAA8o/J2dgJFq9GCs/s1600/DRAMA+QUEEN.jpg

Allez
06-17-2012, 08:21 PM
I was watching the final and commented straightaway that had Fed, Djoko, Rafa, Masha, Serena had done the same, the umpire would not have the balls to default.


And what is this based on ? Have any of these players ever hurt someone before ?

decrepitude
06-17-2012, 08:30 PM
I don't think the linesman "dived" or "milked it" at all. If you watch the replay carefully, the chair rocks when he grabs at his leg, it very probably overbalanced. Just before it happened the linesman was not looking towards Nalby at all, he probably got the shock of his life - he certainly appeared to me to be shocked and dazed.

syc23
06-17-2012, 08:43 PM
And what is this based on ? Have any of these players ever hurt someone before ?

It's hypothetical and would never happen but would they punish the top tier players if they did the same?

Hypnotize
06-17-2012, 08:58 PM
It's hypothetical and would never happen but would they punish the top tier players if they did the same?
Yes they absolutely would. It wouldn't matter who injured the linesman today, they would still have been disqualified.

ossie
06-17-2012, 09:01 PM
give him a 2 year ban, he will take the hint and retire.

tennishero
06-17-2012, 09:01 PM
It was comical in the way that the lines judge is completely milking the situation. As said before, it is inexcusable for Nalby to kick the box and causing injury but that lines judge had a quick look at David, then realised what had happened, instantly thought of £$£$$ he could stand to make and proceeded to roll about on the turf as if he had been shot.

I was watching the final and commented straightaway that had Fed, Djoko, Rafa, Masha, Serena had done the same, the umpire would not have the balls to default.

ATP will severely punish Nalby and there's likely to be a lawsuit from the lines judge too. There will be interviews on national TV, radio and most likely a film will be written as we are discussing this topic.

+1

once the linesman realised what happened, he began to parade his little cut all around the court, to the cameras and umpires for everyone to see. it was an accident, the board collapsed.. but he reacted as if he'd been personally assaulted.

i must say though the outcome would've been the same, nalbandian fucked up today...

KarlyM
06-17-2012, 09:11 PM
The "0" points for Queens is in Nalbandian's non-countable tournaments in the updated rankings: http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/David-Nalbandian.aspx?t=rb

Backhand_Maestro
06-17-2012, 09:33 PM
It's hypothetical and would never happen but would they punish the top tier players if they did the same?

Novak's come close many a time including more recently at RG.

vauxguy
06-17-2012, 09:42 PM
About the linesman from the BBC news website:
He received immediate treatment from St John's Ambulance and saw the tournament medical team, but no further treatment was required.

Vamos_Me_Rafa
06-17-2012, 09:48 PM
Give him a 2 week suspension starting monday that way he misses Wimby. :D

BauerAlmeida
06-17-2012, 09:51 PM
Give him a 2 week suspension starting monday that way he misses Wimby. :D


Yeah, that will give Nadal and his tards some relief considering he will not be seeded because of the point deduction.

SheepleBuster
06-17-2012, 09:53 PM
He is getting 8 week suspension. It's in the rulebook it seems

Vamos_Me_Rafa
06-17-2012, 09:55 PM
Yeah, that will give Nadal and his tards some relief considering he will not be seeded because of the point deduction.

Cierra la puta boca.

MIMIC
06-17-2012, 09:58 PM
Nalbandian didn't even apologize? What a fucking asshole.

delboy
06-17-2012, 10:04 PM
He has apologised.

Anyway the ATP guy who spoke to the BBC said there wouldn't be any action taken against him other than a fine. Dunno if that still stands.

rocketassist
06-17-2012, 10:06 PM
Losing his rank points is a little harsh when you consider he had to scrap on wet courts to win two three setters on the same day.

Aletheian
06-17-2012, 10:14 PM
Nalbandian didn't even apologize? What a fucking asshole.
He did apologize.

Matt01
06-17-2012, 10:41 PM
Losing his rank points is a little harsh when you consider he had to scrap on wet courts to win two three setters on the same day.


Wet courts or the number of times he had to play on one day have absolutely NOTHING to do with what Nalby did today so these things shouldn't even be considered.

SheepleBuster
06-17-2012, 10:45 PM
Nalbandian should do the business on the courts, maybe winning Wimbledon and then attack ATP from that podium. That way more people will listen. This one not a whole lot of people saw it :D

Rosa Luxembourg
06-17-2012, 11:31 PM
So hope a suspension, but ATP will have their tails between their legs to do anything serious

spencercarlos
06-17-2012, 11:37 PM
+1

once the linesman realised what happened, he began to parade his little cut all around the court, to the cameras and umpires for everyone to see. it was an accident, the board collapsed.. but he reacted as if he'd been personally assaulted.

i must say though the outcome would've been the same, nalbandian fucked up today...
I would not say that Naldandian went directly to the umpire, but to call this an accident is delusional and ridiculous. He was just too close from the action to call it a misfortune accident.

Hitting the wood board or not, the umpire ended up being personally assaulted, and that from an agressive reaction from Nalbandian. Had Nalbandian done this trying to reach a ball or something ok you can call it an accident, but not this. :rolleyes:

I hope he gets some huge fine and warning about this. Things like this should not happen on a tennis court.

And his finish reacting was shameful as well, talking about ATP mistakes and stuff, when he should be apologizing PROPERLY to the old man and even his oponnent for this retarded agression, not the ridiculous rant he went off the throphy ceremony.

SheepleBuster
06-17-2012, 11:39 PM
Here is my problem. Why make that out of wood? Why not heavy steel? I mean I know England is broke and all with the euro stuff but still

nellis_lv
06-17-2012, 11:48 PM
I think a few people can't tell the difference between an accident and what a real intentional assault looks like. Tsk tsk

abraxas21
06-17-2012, 11:53 PM
Decided to make a transcript of every single word that was said. Haven't left anything out.

Q: What do you want to say?

A: Yeah, first of all I'm very sorry to, to do that, but err...sometimes you get very frustrated here on court and it's tough to control that, sometimes I do mistake, I agree with that, so it's very tough moment to win a final like that. But sometimes we feel so much pressure from the ATP trying to play a lot of tournaments, try to play (boos then begin), no, no, no, hear this one, in a wet condition and ATP doesn't do anything to us and today I do a mistake, I have to pay like that and sometimes I disagree with that...and I agree I do a mistake, but sometimes everybody do a mistakes, and i didn't feel it had to end like that, especially on a final...very sorry.

Q: But you do understand it has happened before? It has happened before and when someone gets injured the rule is...default.

A: Yeah, but there is a lot of rules and something they don't do anything (shrugs his shoulders)

Q: But anyway it's not the way you would have wanted it to end is it?

A: The rulebook is very big, very big, and I can tell, can tell you that ATP do a lot of mistakes, a lot of mistakes to the players and nothing happened so thats what players disagree to ATP.

Q: So you feel you should have been allowed to play on? (asks again as he doesn't hear) You feel you should have been allowed to play on?

A: No, I don't know....

Q: Well anyway we appreciate you coming and apologising to the people as well, ladies and gentleman David Nalbandian.

I'll let you decide how sincere and apologetic Nalbandian was...

sincere from the first line until the last. never in my life have i seen in a man such an emotional display of honesty and regret over his actions. his words were so touching that i had to stop for a moment to have good cry in solitude before i was able to finish reading.

the man is already in the deepest repentance and it's clear that not even a single day in his life will go by without remembering what he did to that poor man's leg. i think there's no need to torture him with monetary or sports sanctions any further. he'll problably decide for himself to donate all of the money he's got to the Tennis Players' Injuries to Line Judges Foundation. It will be worth it just to calm his soul and seek for redemption.

BauerAlmeida
06-17-2012, 11:59 PM
I think a few people can't tell the difference between an accident and what a real intentional assault looks like. Tsk tsk

Yep. Apparently for some people it's really hard to tell the difference.

Thunderfish8
06-18-2012, 12:52 AM
i don't think he will get fined

rather, i think he will no receive any prize money, and i'm pretty sure he was not given a runner up trophy

Topspindoctor
06-18-2012, 12:54 AM
In a perfect world, 1 year ban.

Looner
06-18-2012, 01:08 AM
Here is my problem. Why make that out of wood? Why not heavy steel? I mean I know England is broke and all with the euro stuff but still

You really have been on a roll today :facepalm:. England has its own currency and it being broke is not different than the USA being broke. Both can print money. Such a stupid comment to make even if it's as a joke as it shows a total lack of knowledge on the subject.

fivebargate
06-18-2012, 01:12 AM
David defaulting and losing the prize money and points is enough. If the linesmen requires medical attention an it anit cheat in England, David should be made to pay for it. That's about it

Medical attention is free in the UK! ;)

I think they shoulda had a quick conflab....given Dave the chance to forfeit his prizemoney to the line judge and carry on, or forfeit the title. Simples. ;)

fivebargate
06-18-2012, 01:13 AM
Yes they absolutely would. It wouldn't matter who injured the linesman today, they would still have been disqualified.

Oh I dunno....Nadal seems to be above all manner of ATP rules. :devil:

leng jai
06-18-2012, 01:47 AM
Nadal wouldn't have done that in the first place so it's a moot point. The better question is if Haas did it in the Halle final would they have DQ'ed him? Probably.

abraxas21
06-18-2012, 01:52 AM
In a perfect world, 1 year ban.

thats what you deserve in this website tbh :wavey:

abraxas21
06-18-2012, 01:58 AM
the problem with all of this is the age of the people in the stadium

i mean serioualy, when you have a sports event in which crowd's medium age rounds to 84 and in which the line judges themselves are 3 times the age of the players, then it's quite obvious they're gonna get hurt by any minor little thing. fucking hell, even the ball "boys" look like men instead of, well, boys. everytime i watch a queen's match i am scared that someone in the crowd is gonna have a heart attack. i'm worried for the line judges too given that i'm not sure if they will be able to stand on their knees if the match is long enough. good thing the weather in england is almost as bad as their beer or otherwise the queen's line judges could pass out if it gets too hot.

Topspindoctor
06-18-2012, 02:02 AM
thats what you deserve in this website tbh :wavey:

You deserve a perma ban for some of your posts, but being a fedtard all you ever get is a slap on the wrist from the mods.

Thunderfish8
06-18-2012, 02:23 AM
sincere from the first line until the last. never in my life have i seen in a man such an emotional display of honesty and regret over his actions. his words were so touching that i had to stop for a moment to have good cry in solitude before i was able to finish reading.

the man is already in the deepest repentance and it's clear that not even a single day in his life will go by without remembering what he did to that poor man's leg. i think there's no need to torture him with monetary or sports sanctions any further. he'll problably decide for himself to donate all of the money he's got to the Tennis Players' Injuries to Line Judges Foundation. It will be worth it just to calm his soul and seek for redemption.

such a fantastic post :haha:

BroTree123
06-18-2012, 02:26 AM
Yep. Looks like the ATP site says he is stripped of his prize money, and probably going to receive a substantial fine on top of it. Further action is yet to be decided.

Topspindoctor
06-18-2012, 02:28 AM
Yep. Looks like the ATP site says he is stripped of his prize money, and probably going to receive a substantial fine on top of it. Further action is yet to be decided.

Hopefully a ban from fast food for the rest of his career.

alfonsojose
06-18-2012, 02:32 AM
ban the a**hole. This is not soccer.

tommyg6
06-18-2012, 02:40 AM
sincere from the first line until the last. never in my life have i seen in a man such an emotional display of honesty and regret over his actions. his words were so touching that i had to stop for a moment to have good cry in solitude before i was able to finish reading.

the man is already in the deepest repentance and it's clear that not even a single day in his life will go by without remembering what he did to that poor man's leg. i think there's no need to torture him with monetary or sports sanctions any further. he'll problably decide for himself to donate all of the money he's got to the Tennis Players' Injuries to Line Judges Foundation. It will be worth it just to calm his soul and seek for redemption.

Post of the Year! LOL :haha:

dencod16
06-18-2012, 03:08 AM
I think he got stripped of both prize money and points, he also might pay a huge fine i think a 10,000 euros fine, which will later be investigated by the ATP. He could also face an 8 week ban from the tour because of the incident in the Australian Open + This new one. Though i don't think it's necessary to add any fines. With the Australian Open, Kader Nouni should never umpire.

callitasicit
06-18-2012, 03:30 AM
His comments don't reflect that, Abraxas 21. He didn't feel he should have been disqualified and on top of that he criticizes the ATP! This guy should go for anger management, this isn't the first time he has lost it.

dencod16
06-18-2012, 03:55 AM
His comments don't reflect that, Abraxas 21. He didn't feel he should have been disqualified and on top of that he criticizes the ATP! This guy should go for anger management, this isn't the first time he has lost it.

He said that directly after the match, which came out of frustration. As many has said interviewing someone right after a big loss is not a good thing.

Shinoj
06-18-2012, 04:32 AM
ATP/ITF should take it in perpective that personalities like Nalbandian have some Hardcore fan following who do not change with time. He certainly brings some much required KickAss Attitude in the sport.

This guy is more Important than those Metrosexual band of Male tennis Players like "Ferru".:facepalm:

SheepleBuster
06-18-2012, 04:51 AM
You really have been on a roll today :facepalm:. England has its own currency and it being broke is not different than the USA being broke. Both can print money. Such a stupid comment to make even if it's as a joke as it shows a total lack of knowledge on the subject.

I was being sarcastic. I didn't say England did not have its own currency. I am just saying, make better stuff so people can't break them that easily. Sorry. I didn't mean to make fun of your country. I just saw the opening and couldn't resist. The British are cool with me.

Sri
06-18-2012, 05:11 AM
I like Nalbandian, but physical assault is inexcusable.

"Oh but he didn't mean to kick the official"

Maybe, but he did.

You are responsible for your action, even those actions that you regret in hindsight.

MIMIC
06-18-2012, 05:22 AM
:lol: Nalbandian's interview is hilarious. Instead of owning up and taking responsibility for his deplorable behavior, he criticizes the people who are punishing him.

Tommy_Vercetti
06-18-2012, 05:40 AM
True to form. That's what he always does. He's always been such a brat. Him and Ljubibitch were always the worst in that regard.

leng jai
06-18-2012, 06:51 AM
Australian TV just said Nalbandian faces Wimbledon ban. Hmmmm?

Shinoj
06-18-2012, 06:53 AM
Wimbeldon? Whats Wimbeldon

Nalbandians Greater.:cool:

leng jai
06-18-2012, 06:55 AM
Actually it just turns out it was the news reader's opinion his position at Wimbledon would be in "serious jeopardy" :facepalm:

Hypnotize
06-18-2012, 07:25 AM
the problem with all of this is the age of the people in the stadium

i mean serioualy, when you have a sports event in which crowd's medium age rounds to 84 and in which the line judges themselves are 3 times the age of the players, then it's quite obvious they're gonna get hurt by any minor little thing. fucking hell, even the ball "boys" look like men instead of, well, boys. everytime i watch a queen's match i am scared that someone in the crowd is gonna have a heart attack. i'm worried for the line judges too given that i'm not sure if they will be able to stand on their knees if the match is long enough. good thing the weather in england is almost as bad as their beer or otherwise the queen's line judges could pass out if it gets too hot.
Typically stupid post. It doesn't matter if the linesman was 18 or 80 years old, he would still have been injured by Nalbandian's violent actions. The only difference is a younger man might have got up and thumped Nalbandian (a crime for which no court would have convicted him) so maybe it is just as well they employee more mature people.

tripwires
06-18-2012, 07:27 AM
Some posters here seriously need a sarcasm detector.

Action Jackson
06-18-2012, 09:33 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/18479244#TWEET161085

David Nalbandian investigated by police after line judge injury

Police are investigating a complaint of alleged assault against David Nalbandian, who was disqualified from the Aegon Championships final after a line judge was injured.
The Argentine, 30, was leading Marin Cilic 7-6 (7-3) 3-4 at Queen's when he kicked a panel in front of Andrew McDougall's seat.

McDougall's leg was cut and umpire Fergus Murphy awarded the match to Cilic despite boos from the crowd.

Nalbandian apologised for the incident.
More to follow.

SheepleBuster
06-18-2012, 10:20 AM
"Police are investigating a complaint of alleged assault after David Nalbandian injured a line judge during the ATP Queen's Club final."

"An allegation of assault has been made to us relating to an incident at the tennis tournament and we are now investigating."


Well, that's not good. I thought he apologized to the guy and everything went fine?
http://eurosport.yahoo.com/news/police-probe-nalbandian-assault-091145441.html

emotion
06-18-2012, 10:23 AM
Oh for fucks sake, that's just ridiculous.

Wing Man Frank
06-18-2012, 10:24 AM
His apology was a disgrace.

tripwires
06-18-2012, 10:25 AM
This has officially gotten ridiculous. Surely the police has cases more legitimate and pressing to investigate than this.

outrider
06-18-2012, 10:26 AM
That's a little bit too much. Yes, Nalbandian is a brainless mug and yes, disq. was a good decision but this...:rolleyes:

SheepleBuster
06-18-2012, 10:27 AM
I told you all. The guy was making the most of it and he looked like he was going to sue regardless

MIMIC
06-18-2012, 10:27 AM
It wasn't THAT serious :lol:

Chris Kuerten
06-18-2012, 10:28 AM
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

leng jai
06-18-2012, 10:31 AM
Why waste time investigating - indict that criminal.

tripwires
06-18-2012, 10:41 AM
Much as I sympathise with the linesjudge for getting injured, Nalby didn't injure him on purpose and to file a complaint against him is just pushing the boundaries of sensible behaviour. What a fucking fool.

Hypnotize
06-18-2012, 10:44 AM
I said in the other thread this would happen. Anyone who thinks you can go around injuring people and not have the matter referred to the police is kidding themselves. It doesn't mean he will ultimately be prosecuted but they will at least investigate it. The fact he didn't even apologise to the man when he had the microphone will only have made this worse.

E-r-i-c
06-18-2012, 10:45 AM
Assault needs intention. What a joke.
Fat Dave just need something to explode his temper while this wooden labor is the nearest.

Hypnotize
06-18-2012, 10:57 AM
Assault needs intention. What a joke.
Fat Dave just need something to explode his temper while this wooden labor is the nearest.

No it doesn't. If you throw a glass bottle at a wall in frustration and someone happens to walk in front of it and is injured, do you seriously believe you won't be prosecuted? Some people on here astonish me. :facepalm:

If your actions cause injury to someone else, that is assault, it is just a less serious crime than "assault with intent".

E-r-i-c
06-18-2012, 11:15 AM
No it doesn't. If you throw a glass bottle at a wall in frustration and someone happens to walk in front of it and is injured, do you seriously believe you won't be prosecuted? Some people on here astonish me. :facepalm:

If your actions cause injury to someone else, that is assault, it is just a less serious crime than "assault with intent".

I am not familiar with English law. I thought assault means intentionly. Sorry.

alter ego
06-18-2012, 11:28 AM
I said in the other thread this would happen. Anyone who thinks you can go around injuring people and not have the matter referred to the police is kidding themselves. It doesn't mean he will ultimately be prosecuted but they will at least investigate it. The fact he didn't even apologise to the man when he had the microphone will only have made this worse.

:lol:
Was Terry arrested for hiting Sanchez in the CL semifinal?

Hian-GOAT
06-18-2012, 11:29 AM
So what happened to him?

delboy
06-18-2012, 11:36 AM
Nothing. he is getting a fine and thats all.

Hian-GOAT
06-18-2012, 11:36 AM
:facepalm: Should have been banned from this planet and sent to Mars.

nellis_lv
06-18-2012, 11:36 AM
Some line judge making 10/hr thought he just hit the lottery.

Slade
06-18-2012, 11:38 AM
What a thug, this Nalbandian

Hypnotize
06-18-2012, 11:46 AM
:lol:
Was Terry arrested for hiting Sanchez in the CL semifinal?
Once again, you have zero knowledge of the law. :facepalm:

The law takes into account any presumed risk within a situation where someone is injured. In any contact sport where someone is injured, if the police judge that the action lies within acceptable bounds they will leave it to the governing body to apply any sanctions to the player. Several players however have been investigated by police because their actions have been deemed excessive.

Had the linesman been injured by a serve, that would lie within the presumed risk of his job and they would not have cause to prosecute. A linesman injured by a player lashing out in anger is not within the presumed risk of his job and that is why the matter has been referred to them.

BroTree123
06-18-2012, 11:53 AM
Man, talk about "kicking him while he's down". They really don't want him on the tour anymore do they...

Burrow
06-18-2012, 11:56 AM
Some line judge making 10/hr thought he just hit the lottery.

I'm pretty sure that it is volunteer work. The man himself is probably some wealthy local resident.

alter ego
06-18-2012, 11:58 AM
Once again, you have zero knowledge of the law. :facepalm:

The law takes into account any presumed risk within a situation where someone is injured. In any contact sport where someone is injured, if the police judge that the action lies within acceptable bounds they will leave it to the governing body to apply any sanctions to the player. Several players however have been investigated by police because their actions have been deemed excessive.

Had the linesman been injured by a serve, that would lie within the presumed risk of his job and they would not have cause to prosecute. A linesman injured by a player lashing out in anger is not within the presumed risk of his job and that is why the matter has been referred to them.

Good thing we have you as our own internet specialist in british code of law. Do you know any names of "the several players" that have been investigated by the police because of their actions or is this just another case of your overactive imagination.

munZe konZa
06-18-2012, 12:01 PM
I am embarrassed to say that I follow tennis after this. You got some blood and people are complaining. This is a sport. It wasn't intentional obviously and was cause by bad court design . If you don't want to get injured , get off the court. The organizers are guilty for putting old and fat people on court.

Thunderfish8
06-18-2012, 12:07 PM
From ATPWorldTour.com
ATP Supervisor Tom Barnes spoke to the media after the match and confirmed the reason for the default. "It's [for] unsportsmanlike conduct, and the supervisor has the authority to declare an immediate default. Once I saw the injury [it] was not a judgment call. I didn't have any other option."

Barnes confirmed that Nalbandian would forfeit all rankings points and prize money earned at the tournament.

munZe konZa
06-18-2012, 12:12 PM
I don't see any self respecting sport doing this ever. I mean players and matches
are not replacable but line judges are supposedly.
Obviously tennis is ruled by people who think too highly of themselves and really
don't care about the game at all.

munZe konZa
06-18-2012, 12:14 PM
From ATPWorldTour.com

So some blood is the reason to totally default the match?
What about spectators?
How about them not hiring old people and putting them 5 metres
from the action?

buddyholly
06-18-2012, 12:18 PM
So some blood is the reason to totally default the match?
What about spectators?
How about them not hiring old people and putting them 5 metres
from the action?

He is not old and that was NOT part of the action.

Imagine someone walking along the pavement and someone goes nuts in a car and swerves and hits him. Would you say he was too old to be walking on the pavement?

Caesar1844
06-18-2012, 12:27 PM
I don't see any self respecting sport doing this ever. I mean players and matches
are not replacable but line judges are supposedly.
Obviously tennis is ruled by people who think too highly of themselves and really
don't care about the game at all.
I know, right? Players should be allowed to injure officials. It's not their fault they get angry and violent without regard for other people.

Hypnotize
06-18-2012, 12:29 PM
Good thing we have you as our own internet specialist in british code of law. Do you know any names of "the several players" that have been investigated by the police because of their actions or is this just another case of your overactive imagination.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong? :rolleyes:

In April 1988 Butcher was convicted of disorderly conduct and breach of the peace due to his behaviour in an Old Firm match in November 1987. He was fined £250
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Butcher

Duncan Ferguson, the Everton footballer, has received a three- month jail sentence for assault. The offence took place on the field (when Ferguson played for Rangers) against an opposing player. In October 1987 at Ibrox during a Rangers-Celtic league match several players were charged as a result of their misconduct. Frank McAvennie (the Celtic centre-forward) squared up to Chris Woods, the Rangers goalkeeper. The slap and shove escalated to a full-blown handbags at dawn, when Graham Roberts and Terry Butcher, both of Rangers, intervened and McAvennie was punched by one of them, as yet unidentified. McAvennie and Woods were both sent packing and Graham Roberts took over in goal (before the days of goalkeeper subs). The police charged all four, with McAvennie found not guilty, Roberts not proven, Butcher guilty and Woods guilty.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/fever-pitch-for-the-ibrox-four-1589399.html

John Terry to be charged over Anton Ferdinand race row
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16284813

Police investigate football player's alleged assault on steward
http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2112456_police_investigate_football_players_allege d_assault_on_steward

Wing Man Frank
06-18-2012, 12:30 PM
People are actually defending Nalbandian? Even worse some of you seem to be getting annoyed with the old guy?

Incredible stuff.

BroTree123
06-18-2012, 12:31 PM
People are actually defending Nalbandian? Even worse some of you seem to be getting annoyed with the old guy?

Incredible stuff.

Welcome to justice. Welcome to MTF.

Hypnotize
06-18-2012, 12:34 PM
I am embarrassed to say that I follow tennis after this. You got some blood and people are complaining. This is a sport. It wasn't intentional obviously and was cause by bad court design . If you don't want to get injured , get off the court. The organizers are guilty for putting old and fat people on court.
Stupid post. The man was not fat and his age had nothing to do with it. He would still have been injured if he was 18 years old. :facepalm:

The only reason he was injured was because of Nalbandian's actions. It wasn't an accident and had nothing to do with bad court design. You make it sound like an adverstising board fell on his head. The officials are aware they may be hit by a ball and take that risk. They didn't sign up to be assaulted by spoiled brats having a temper tantrum.

GuiroNl
06-18-2012, 12:35 PM
:worship: :worship: :worship:

Still people going on about it being the linesman's fault :spit:

:haha: :haha: :haha:

I've been reading unbelievable stuff the last 24 hours. Next time some tennis player should just bring a machine gun to the court and start shooting in random directions after being broken, if anyone gets injured or worse it's the fault of those people for standing in the way of the bullets' trajectory :spit:

safin-rules-no.1
06-18-2012, 12:36 PM
Much as I sympathise with the linesjudge for getting injured, Nalby didn't injure him on purpose and to file a complaint against him is just pushing the boundaries of sensible behaviour. What a fucking fool.

But he did injure him, because he was being a silly fat pig having a temper tantrum. Hope he gets sued for a few hundred thousand.

Beat
06-18-2012, 12:38 PM
I am embarrassed to say that I follow tennis after this. You got some blood and people are complaining. This is a sport. It wasn't intentional obviously and was cause by bad court design . If you don't want to get injured , get off the court. The organizers are guilty for putting old and fat people on court.

wow, this is an incredibly dumb post, even for TF standard. :smash:

Chase Visa
06-18-2012, 12:40 PM
Too far from the police. Yes he was an idiot but the incident had no intent whatsoever. Nothing will come out of this.

Chase Visa
06-18-2012, 12:41 PM
How the fuck is it the linesman fault?

ServeVolley
06-18-2012, 12:41 PM
Nalbandian obviously thought the boards were solid, otherwise he wouldn't have kicked them. Any "assault" claim is just ridiculous, IMO. :facepalm:

safin-rules-no.1
06-18-2012, 12:43 PM
Nalbandian obviously thought the boards were solid, otherwise he wouldn't have kicked them. Any "assault" claim is just ridiculous, IMO. :facepalm:

:smash: Please watch it again - the board could have been concrete and it still would have been smashed he kicked it so hard. MTF is full of fools :facepalm:

tripwires
06-18-2012, 12:46 PM
But he did injure him, because he was being a silly fat pig having a temper tantrum. Hope he gets sued for a few hundred thousand.

Yes, he did injure the guy, and he was punished accordingly. It's not like he got away with it scot-free. The guy has every right to file a complaint, though it strikes me as excessive for the police to get involved in this matter, where the player in question stupidly kicked some board and injured the linesjudge as a consequence of his action. How does it make sense for Nalby to be criminally charged over this incident? :facepalm: I mean the guy can sue him privately for all I care but to get the police involved is just a bit excessive.

Caesar1844
06-18-2012, 12:46 PM
Nalbandian obviously thought the boards were solid, otherwise he wouldn't have kicked them. Any "assault" claim is just ridiculous, IMO. :facepalm:
You realise 'assault' includes reckless disregard for someone else's safety right? Whether he meant to hurt the linesman or not is irrelevant.

What he did was downright dangerous. You don't go kicking the crap out of flimsy wooden shit that is inches from another person. I don't think that there's much to be gained from charging Nalbandian, but if he was charged a conviction would be unsurprising.

duong
06-18-2012, 12:47 PM
Too far from the police. Yes he was an idiot but the incident had no intent whatsoever. Nothing will come out of this.

if there's not a policeman in the hierarchy who just wants a little publicity, they will probably just let it go.

Making a file complaint has a role in itself for a person who feels as a "victim" to just feel released about what he/she feels, but after that, the police unfortunately has far worse priorities.

At least that's how they would do in France.

If people knew how many cases are just left like that because the police have not enough time :rolleyes:

But it may be different in other countries where justice is more of a money matter.

And what's there to "investigate" ? :lol:

BroTree123
06-18-2012, 12:47 PM
Yes, he did injure the guy, and he was punished accordingly. It's not like he got away with it scot-free. The guy has every right to file a complaint, though it strikes me as excessive for the police to get involved in this matter, where the player in question stupidly kicked some board and injured the linesjudge as a consequence of his action. How does it make sense for Nalby to be criminally charged over this incident? :facepalm: I mean the guy can sue him privately for all I care but to get the police involved is just a bit excessive.

Exactly what I thought. It is obviously Nalby's fault because he chose to lose his mind, but why involve the police? It's not like he committed a crime and it certainly wasn't intentional. It was an accident, albeit out of anger. It's not like David was on to him from the start :facepalm:

leng jai
06-18-2012, 12:48 PM
Maybe it's the sign filing charges. Makes as much sense as this thread.

Looner
06-18-2012, 12:49 PM
If Nalbandian gets into trouble with the police in the UK, I'm sure that'll help Argentine-UK relationships. If any conviction comes out of this, it proves how ridiculous posturing has become in the UK.

ServeVolley
06-18-2012, 12:50 PM
:smash: Please watch it again - the board could have been concrete and it still would have been smashed he kicked it so hard. MTF is full of fools :facepalm:

Oh the melodrama. :rolleyes:

Hypnotize
06-18-2012, 12:54 PM
You realise 'assault' includes reckless disregard for someone else's safety right? Whether he meant to hurt the linesman or not is irrelevant.

What he did was downright dangerous. You don't go kicking the crap out of flimsy wooden shit that is inches from another person. I don't think that there's much to be gained from charging Nalbandian, but if he was charged a conviction would be unsurprising.
It's possible they may choose not to prosecute or he may be let off with a warning but it was obvious when you saw the man was injured that this would be referred to the police.

Johnny Groove
06-18-2012, 12:58 PM
Nalbandian should sue the line judge for diving worse than a soccer player.

He loses his points, he loses his prize money, that should be it. The line judge milked it for all its worth, really.

BroTree123
06-18-2012, 01:00 PM
Yep. Now the line judge is making a meal out of it.

Johnny Groove
06-18-2012, 01:03 PM
If I was the line judge and Nalby hit me in the shin, I'd get up and kick him right back in the shin. Eye for an eye, and a shin for a shin. Then, it's over, and the match could go on.

But no, this old fart milked it worse than the Italian national soccer team.

Wing Man Frank
06-18-2012, 01:03 PM
Worth mentioning that it doesn't say anywhere in the articles that I've read that the lines judge is pursuing this. A member of the public could make the complaint and so long as there is sufficient evidence the police can go ahead in order to seek a conviction if necessary.

Hypnotize
06-18-2012, 01:06 PM
Worth mentioning that it doesn't say anywhere in the articles that I've read that the lines judge is pursuing this. A member of the public could make the complaint and so long as there is sufficient evidence the police can go ahead in order to seek a conviction if necessary.
Exactly. For all we know, he has had nothing to do with this although he is certainly entitled to press charges if he wants to.

Johnny Groove
06-18-2012, 01:10 PM
And people wonder why this world is going to shit :lol:

Taxpayer funds going towards asinine investigations like this instead of eradicating poverty, hunger, and disease :rolleyes:

munZe konZa
06-18-2012, 01:10 PM
He is not old and that was NOT part of the action.

Imagine someone walking along the pavement and someone goes nuts in a car and swerves and hits him. Would you say he was too old to be walking on the pavement?

No comparison at all. Line judge was deliberatelly too close to the court and he was behind a board . Old people are more than likely not high level athletes and they freak out over injuries let alone blood. If that was a young athletic person they wouldn't behave like they were powerless and they wouldn't stop a match when they are not even part of the action. It was a bad design and I don't remember line people being in that area of the court anyway.

Now obviously this tournament wants to cover up their own ridiculous reputation by trying to stick everything on the player. If I were a player , I would boycott this tournament as well because they don't care about players and see them as expandable.

gaitare
06-18-2012, 01:15 PM
People are actually defending Nalbandian? Even worse some of you seem to be getting annoyed with the old guy?

Incredible stuff.

:worship: :worship: :worship:

Still people going on about it being the linesman's fault :spit:

:haha: :haha: :haha:

I've been reading unbelievable stuff the last 24 hours.

The linesman did nothing to avoid the inconvenience and now apparently he's trying to milk it.

Wing Man Frank
06-18-2012, 01:18 PM
The linesman did nothing to avoid the inconvenience and now apparently he's trying to milk it.

Is he? Prove it.

BroTree123
06-18-2012, 01:20 PM
Is he? Prove it.

He will when Nalbandian gets arrested :o

Orange Wombat
06-18-2012, 01:22 PM
Hahaha Nalby:smash::rolls: Just one careless kick....and suddenly..

Police are making too big deal out of this though

samanosuke
06-18-2012, 01:39 PM
So it seems Nalby is gonna replace SW19 showers with jail showers. Just hope he uses liquid soaps

Hypnotize
06-18-2012, 01:42 PM
No comparison at all. Line judge was deliberatelly too close to the court and he was behind a board . Old people are more than likely not high level athletes and they freak out over injuries let alone blood. If that was a young athletic person they wouldn't behave like they were powerless and they wouldn't stop a match when they are not even part of the action. It was a bad design and I don't remember line people being in that area of the court anyway.

Now obviously this tournament wants to cover up their own ridiculous reputation by trying to stick everything on the player. If I were a player , I would boycott this tournament as well because they don't care about players and see them as expandable.

How can he be deliberately too close to the court? He didn't get to choose where he sat. How can you not remember lines-people being there in the past? Where do you remember them sitting? In the crowd?

I just can't believe some people on here. :facepalm:

samanosuke
06-18-2012, 01:45 PM
No comparison at all. Line judge was deliberatelly too close to the court and he was behind a board . Old people are more than likely not high level athletes and they freak out over injuries let alone blood. If that was a young athletic person they wouldn't behave like they were powerless and they wouldn't stop a match when they are not even part of the action. It was a bad design and I don't remember line people being in that area of the court anyway.



believe me, I have seen all at this board but this is something the dumbest I have ever read at this place. Congratulations

tripwires
06-18-2012, 01:48 PM
munZe konZa is a known clown so everyone should just ignore its posts.

BroTree123
06-18-2012, 01:48 PM
No comparison at all. Line judge was deliberatelly too close to the court and he was behind a board . Old people are more than likely not high level athletes and they freak out over injuries let alone blood. If that was a young athletic person they wouldn't behave like they were powerless and they wouldn't stop a match when they are not even part of the action. It was a bad design and I don't remember line people being in that area of the court anyway.

Now obviously this tournament wants to cover up their own ridiculous reputation by trying to stick everything on the player. If I were a player , I would boycott this tournament as well because they don't care about players and see them as expandable.

This is an example of how difficult it is to troll when you don't have a brain.

samanosuke
06-18-2012, 01:50 PM
munZe konZa is a known clown so everyone should just ignore its posts.

negative, clowns making fools from them selves with purpose, to earn money for living. this guy has raw talent for for being dumb

tripwires
06-18-2012, 01:52 PM
negative, clowns making fools from them selves with purpose, to earn money for living. this guy has raw talent for for being dumb

So what does that make him? I agree with BroTree that he's too brainless to be a troll.

abraxas21
06-18-2012, 01:53 PM
maybe nike is suing nalbandian for destroying its ad

abollo
06-18-2012, 02:09 PM
I think it was an unfair decision to remove all 150 points

BroTree123
06-18-2012, 02:10 PM
I wonder if Nalbandian will have a pic with him in hospital :hug:

merryploughbhoy
06-18-2012, 02:10 PM
No comparison at all. Line judge was deliberatelly too close to the court and he was behind a board . Old people are more than likely not high level athletes and they freak out over injuries let alone blood. If that was a young athletic person they wouldn't behave like they were powerless and they wouldn't stop a match when they are not even part of the action. It was a bad design and I don't remember line people being in that area of the court anyway.

Now obviously this tournament wants to cover up their own ridiculous reputation by trying to stick everything on the player. If I were a player , I would boycott this tournament as well because they don't care about players and see them as expandable.

I agree with a lot of that, some great points. For me the question is why was the line judge at the side of the courts like that? Unusual place for one to be positioned. I think that the old boy was sitting that close because his eyes are gone and he would'nt be able to see properly in the normal position at the back of the court, it was jobs for the boys(or old boys in this case) on final day at queens and that old duffer was wheeled out and put there almost on court where he should'nt of been !

Burrow
06-18-2012, 02:18 PM
He was sitting at the side to monitor the service line calls.

Matt01
06-18-2012, 02:20 PM
Some posts here :rolls:

Doully
06-18-2012, 02:23 PM
I agree with a lot of that, some great points. For me the question is why was the line judge at the side of the courts like that? Unusual place for one to be positioned. I think that the old boy was sitting that close because his eyes are gone and he would'nt be able to see properly in the normal position at the back of the court, it was jobs for the boys(or old boys in this case) on final day at queens and that old duffer was wheeled out and put there almost on court where he should'nt of been !

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f337/Gainsy/ragecomic1.jpg

decrepitude
06-18-2012, 02:26 PM
For me the question is why was the line judge at the side of the courts like that? Unusual place for one to be positioned. I think that the old boy was sitting that close because his eyes are gone and he would'nt be able to see properly in the normal position at the back of the court, it was jobs for the boys(or old boys in this case) on final day at queens and that old duffer was wheeled out and put there almost on court where he should'nt of been !

Are you for real? Have you ever been to a tennis tournament? Where on earth else does the service line/baseline judge sit - in the stands?

BaselineSmash
06-18-2012, 02:36 PM
http://www.online-literature.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1234&pictureid=9602

Linesman: "I'm telling my lawyer on you!"

Nalbandian: "But the ATP rules is like a phonebook, no?"

safin-rules-no.1
06-18-2012, 02:43 PM
I agree with a lot of that, some great points. For me the question is why was the line judge at the side of the courts like that? Unusual place for one to be positioned. I think that the old boy was sitting that close because his eyes are gone and he would'nt be able to see properly in the normal position at the back of the court, it was jobs for the boys(or old boys in this case) on final day at queens and that old duffer was wheeled out and put there almost on court where he should'nt of been !

wtf is this shit?

BroTree123
06-18-2012, 02:55 PM
wtf is this shit?

Answer: Mugraytard.

safin-rules-no.1
06-18-2012, 02:58 PM
Answer: Mugraytard.

Oh, didn't realise.

LaFuria
06-18-2012, 03:02 PM
David deserves a medal for this, not punishment.

Mateya
06-18-2012, 03:06 PM
Give Fitbandian a break. Police investigation for this rush of blood? :stupid:
I propose an FBI investigation and forensic reseach of the place where this crime happened.

You know whose fault this is?
It's Cilic' fault. He hit a crosscourt forehand which took David so wide off the court, near the linesman. Had Cilic hit any other shot, David wouldn't kick that chair.
I know it's retarded thinking, but it's true. ;)

Seriously, give David a break. He's in enough shit already.

Hypnotize
06-18-2012, 03:11 PM
David deserves a medal for this, not punishment.
If this was a competition to post the stupidest comment, you would certainly be in the running. If you think Nalbandian deserves a medal, I can only assuming you're posting this from behind bars.

Matt01
06-18-2012, 03:14 PM
You know whose fault this is?
It's Cilic' fault. He hit a crosscourt forehand which took David so wide off the court, near the linesman. Had Cilic hit any other shot, David wouldn't kick that chair.
I know it's retarded thinking, but it's true. ;)


Yeah obviously it's Cilic's fault. He also didn't even reject to get the trophy and his ranking points. Then it's also the linesman fault because he chose to sit there and then had the audacity to "milk" this incident. And the umpires are also to blame that they canceled the final and cheated the spectators off their money.

It's anyone's but Nalbandian's fault!

Champion number 1
06-18-2012, 03:20 PM
I read just a page and a bit of this thread and it allows me to realise how stupid the Internet posters really can be. Nalbandian should apologise and accept the likely consequences and not repeat this 'mistake' again.

tripwires
06-18-2012, 03:22 PM
I agree with a lot of that, some great points. For me the question is why was the line judge at the side of the courts like that? Unusual place for one to be positioned. I think that the old boy was sitting that close because his eyes are gone and he would'nt be able to see properly in the normal position at the back of the court, it was jobs for the boys(or old boys in this case) on final day at queens and that old duffer was wheeled out and put there almost on court where he should'nt of been !



You know whose fault this is?
It's Cilic' fault. He hit a crosscourt forehand which took David so wide off the court, near the linesman. Had Cilic hit any other shot, David wouldn't kick that chair.
I know it's retarded thinking, but it's true. ;)


:haha: :haha: :haha:

BroTree123
06-18-2012, 03:26 PM
Give Fitbandian a break. Police investigation for this rush of blood? :stupid:
I propose an FBI investigation and forensic reseach of the place where this crime happened.

You know whose fault this is?
It's Cilic' fault. He hit a crosscourt forehand which took David so wide off the court, near the linesman. Had Cilic hit any other shot, David wouldn't kick that chair.
I know it's retarded thinking, but it's true. ;)

Seriously, give David a break. He's in enough shit already.

I call a double blame for Cilic. He fucked up that BH DTL at 0-40 (...on purpose?). If he made it, David would have applauded "too good" instead of kicking chair barriers like a mad man :cool:

Burrow
06-18-2012, 03:27 PM
I wonder if Nalbandian will have a pic with him in hospital :hug:

I was wondering if he'd be invited to the funeral.

BroTree123
06-18-2012, 03:31 PM
I was wondering if he'd be invited to the funeral.

So that's why the police are involved :speakles:

Mateya
06-18-2012, 03:50 PM
David is a victim of circumstances.

All umpires and Čilić should be disqualified and the organizers must make more solid Nike boards and linesman chairs. That should be their goal for the next years and not the roof.

Yes, the summer heat and lack of Seppi is getting to me. :p

misty1
06-18-2012, 04:01 PM
i really hope these comments about marin beinfg the one to blame or sarcastic

and a police investigation? this is pathetic, this should have been resolved when he was defaulted

BroTree123
06-18-2012, 04:02 PM
Yes, the summer heat and lack of Seppi is getting to me. :p

That's hot. Ha ha ha, get it? Fuck I'm funny.

SheepleBuster
06-18-2012, 04:20 PM
If Nalby going to jail, can he at least have his tournament points back?

shotgun
06-18-2012, 04:45 PM
Prick move from the linesman, really. Nalbandian already got the punishment he deserved. Also if you are umpiring a pro tennis tournament you are always subject to such accidents. I don't recall Edberg being locked behind bars after "killing" a chair umpire in that USO junior tournament.

timafi
06-18-2012, 04:55 PM
he better pray the man doesn't press charges and sues the hell out of him

safin-rules-no.1
06-18-2012, 04:58 PM
If Nalby going to jail, can he at least have his tournament points back?

That will be the least of his worries.......:tape:

Hypnotize
06-18-2012, 04:58 PM
Prick move from the linesman, really. Nalbandian already got the punishment he deserved. Also if you are umpiring a pro tennis tournament you are always subject to such accidents. I don't recall Edberg being locked behind bars after "killing" a chair umpire in that USO junior tournament.
There comments are beyond stupid. :facepalm:

If Edberg had hit the official due to a violent outburst then of course he would have been charged. It happened during the course of play and it was not his fault. What Nalbandian did wasn't an accident and officials should not have to leave a court bruised and bloodied because some spoiled idiot has a temper tantrum.

buddyholly
06-18-2012, 04:58 PM
Prick move from the linesman, really. Nalbandian already got the punishment he deserved. Also if you are umpiring a pro tennis tournament you are always subject to such accidents. I don't recall Edberg being locked behind bars after "killing" a chair umpire in that USO junior tournament.

One was an accident, one was no accident. I can't believe the number of posters in denial, who just keep calling a deliberate act an ''accident.'' Just because the result was not what he intended, does not make the act an accident.

buddyholly
06-18-2012, 05:01 PM
I agree with a lot of that, some great points. For me the question is why was the line judge at the side of the courts like that? Unusual place for one to be positioned. I think that the old boy was sitting that close because his eyes are gone and he would'nt be able to see properly in the normal position at the back of the court, it was jobs for the boys(or old boys in this case) on final day at queens and that old duffer was wheeled out and put there almost on court where he should'nt of been !

Hard to tell if this is a joke or the ramblings of an idiot. On MTF you never know.

safin-rules-no.1
06-18-2012, 05:02 PM
Hard to tell if this is a joke or the ramblings of an idiot. On MTF you never know.

"Pot calling the kettle black". But I take your point.

buddyholly
06-18-2012, 05:03 PM
Line judge was deliberatelly too close to the court and he was behind a board .

How much stupider can the comments here get?

buddyholly
06-18-2012, 05:06 PM
I

But no, this old fart milked it worse than the Italian national soccer team.

He looks about the same age as Nalbandian, but in somewhat better physical shape.

Dougie
06-18-2012, 05:39 PM
Some serious trolling going on in this thread...

Nalby should banned from Wimbledon, maybe even longer. His stupid behavior is the absolute worst thing that a player can do on a tennis court. Swearing and cursing? That´s bad. Smashing your racket? Unacceptable. Launching a ball out of the stadium? Terrible behavior. But they´re all pretty harmless, still.

But when you cause intentional ( and yes, it was intentional) physical damage to an official or a spectator, the line is crossed big time. What the ATP should do is to give him a punishment that reflects this. A punishment that says "whatever you do on court, you do not attack the officials". It´s not just about Nalby, it´s also about showing the officials and ballboys/girls that if something this extreme happens, the ATP´s got the officials´ back.

I know some would say Im overreacting, and maybe I am. But if the ATP can ban some low-ranked, unknown players for making some crappy small stakes-bets, then I don´t think kicking an official should go unpunished either.

And as for Nalby´s speech, what the...blaming the ATPs scheduling? How stupid can he get?? That´s like taking a crap at your neighbors doorsteps, and then asking him for paper...

buddyholly
06-18-2012, 05:42 PM
And as for Nalby´s speech, what the...blaming the ATPs scheduling? How stupid can he get?? .

He was desperately trying anything to avoid admitting it was entirely his own doing.

Dougie
06-18-2012, 05:48 PM
He was desperately trying anything to avoid admitting it was entirely his own doing.

Sure, but you´d think that after something as dumb as this a person would be humiliated enough to not make it worse.

Champion number 1
06-18-2012, 05:50 PM
Yes it was do disrespectful of him when he basically said 'I'm sorry, but I made a mistake, like the ATP always do' I mean like WTF?

fivebargate
06-18-2012, 06:01 PM
One was an accident, one was no accident. I can't believe the number of posters in denial, who just keep calling a deliberate act an ''accident.'' Just because the result was not what he intended, does not make the act an accident.

Well....an accident by definition is an unforseen or unplanned event. In no way did Dave intend to injure anyone....he booted an inanimate object. Unfortunately, that gave way and injured the lines guy. Dave was the agent that caused the injury, but the injury was still "by accident"....it was unintended. Of course he should still be punished because someone got hurt, albeit indirectly, but a modicum of sanity must prevail. His intent was exactly the same as Nole's was in hitting the seat during the French Open.

Tzar
06-18-2012, 06:02 PM
I read just a page and a bit of this thread and it allows me to realise how stupid the Internet posters really can be. Nalbandian should apologise and accept the likely consequences and not repeat this 'mistake' again.

I don't think so. I think he should be punished with capital punishment - death. Then his body has to be burned down a la Joan D'Arc, that way, everyone will learn that having emotions while playing tennis is completely unacceptable, and it deserves to be punished as the worst of crimes!

Allez
06-18-2012, 06:15 PM
Well....an accident by definition is an unforseen or unplanned event. In no way did Dave intend to injure anyone....he booted an inanimate object. Unfortunately, that gave way and injured the lines guy. Dave was the agent that caused the injury, but the injury was still "by accident"....it was unintended. Of course he should still be punished because someone got hurt, albeit indirectly, but a modicum of sanity must prevail. His intent was exactly the same as Nole's was in hitting the seat during the French Open.

David's actions were not unforseen or unplanned. They were quite deliberate. If someone randomly shoots at the crowd and kills someone he did not to intend or "plan" to kill you can't call that an 'accident'. "Oh...you just happened to be in the way of the bullet...unlucky you." Please. An accident would have been slipping on the grass and crashing into the poor guy. That is an unforseen/ unplanned event.

That said I find it despicable the police are getting involved in this. The guy has been punished enough. The story has made headlines everywhere. I doubt we'll be seeing a similar incident for a long long time so lessons have been learned. Time to move on.

Tzar
06-18-2012, 06:24 PM
David's actions were not unforseen or unplanned. They were quite deliberate. If someone randomly shoots at the crowd and kills someone he did not to intend or "plan" to kill you can't call that an 'accident'. "Oh...you just happened to be in the way of the bullet...unlucky you." Please. An accident would have been slipping on the grass and crashing into the poor guy. That is an unforseen/ unplanned event.

That said I find it despicable the police are getting involved in this. The guy has been punished enough. The story has made headlines everywhere. I doubt we'll be seeing a similar incident for a long long time so lessons have been learned. Time to move on.

Maybe you have ADD or are handicapped so you failed to read what the poster said. His action was planned, the consequence however was unforeseen. Dumbass.

Allez
06-18-2012, 06:35 PM
Maybe you have ADD or are handicapped so you failed to read what the poster said. His action was planned, the consequence however was unforeseen. Dumbass.

Read the example I gave re shooting at the crowd and maybe you'll understand a little bit better...that's if you can read at all which is highly suspect.

http://www.abload.de/img/nalb1rri8k.gif

If you cannot comprehend that such an action could impact the person behind this board then you've no business being on the court.

nellis_lv
06-18-2012, 06:50 PM
David's actions were not unforseen or unplanned. They were quite deliberate. If someone randomly shoots at the crowd and kills someone he did not to intend or "plan" to kill you can't call that an 'accident'. "Oh...you just happened to be in the way of the bullet...unlucky you." Please. An accident would have been slipping on the grass and crashing into the poor guy. That is an unforseen/ unplanned event.

That said I find it despicable the police are getting involved in this. The guy has been punished enough. The story has made headlines everywhere. I doubt we'll be seeing a similar incident for a long long time so lessons have been learned. Time to move on.

I think you should focus more on your analogy.

Shooting bullets in the middle of a crowd is inherently dangerous, no matter the consequences. Kicking an ad board, however foolishly, is not.

Focusing on the act intended is necessary to determine intent, is it not?

Like I said, though, a lot of people on here wouldn't know the difference between an accident and a deliberate assault.

I think maybe someone should show 'em. :D

Hypnotize
06-18-2012, 07:02 PM
I think you should focus more on your analogy.

Shooting bullets in the middle of a crowd is inherently dangerous, no matter the consequences. Kicking an ad board, however foolishly, is not.

Focusing on the act intended is necessary to determine intent, is it not?

Like I said, though, a lot of people on here wouldn't know the difference between an accident and a deliberate assault.

I think maybe someone should show 'em. :D
Kicking an ad board that someone is sitting behind most certainly is dangerous. It may not be as dangerous as firing a gun but it is still dangerous, hence the reason the official was injured. This isn't rocket science. :rolleyes:

Dougie
06-18-2012, 07:02 PM
If you cannot comprehend that such an action could impact the person behind this board then you've no business being on the court.

Exactly.

Allez
06-18-2012, 07:05 PM
I think you should focus more on your analogy.

Shooting bullets in the middle of a crowd is inherently dangerous, no matter the consequences. Kicking an ad board, however foolishly, is not.

Focusing on the act intended is necessary to determine intent, is it not?

Like I said, though, a lot of people on here wouldn't know the difference between an accident and a deliberate assault.

I think maybe someone should show 'em. :D

Well I think kicking an ad board in someone's legs did prove to be dangerous. The same action done a hundred times under the exact same conditions would more than likely yield the same results. An accident would have been Nalby slipping on the grass, crashing into the board and injuring the guy. That ad board is not a wall. If I place a piece of cardboard on your legs and smash away with a sledge hammer that is inherently dangerous. There's no getting around it.

masterclass
06-18-2012, 07:12 PM
ATP Rulebook

V. PERSONNEL
5.07 Line Umpire
D. Responsibilities
1) Carry out all duties in accordance with the approved procedures of the ATP.
2) Not catch balls or hold towels for a player.
3) Not leave the court without permission of the chair umpire.
4) Dress uniformly with other line umpires as prescribed by the tournament and/or
the ATP.
5) Sit erect with both feet on the ground with arms resting on his or her legs.
6) Concentrate on the assigned line; conversation with spectators or others is to be
avoided.
7) Be accountable to the chair umpire only and have no discussions with the players.
A player’s questions must always be referred to the chair umpire. However,
a line umpire may answer a reasonably precise question if it relates to a call,
especially foot faults, unless that call has been overruled.
8) Move away from the on-court chair if necessary to get the best view possible of
the assigned line.
9) Make all calls as quickly as possible, maintaining consistency and accuracy. On
very close calls a fraction of a second’s hesitation is recommended to make sure
that the call is correct.
10) Never call a ball “Out” until it actually hits out or it hits a permanent fixture.
11) Make “Out,” “Fault,” “Net” and “Foot Fault” calls loudly and crisply followed by the
appropriate hand signal. Foot faults are never called until the serve is struck.
12) Do not make a call for a “good” ball. However, whenever there is a close call on a
good ball, the “good” ball hand signals should be given quickly to confi rm the call.
13) When there is an erroneous call, immediately call “Correction” so that the chair
umpire and the players are aware of the error. Then, make the corrected call.
14) Do not give an opinion on a call that is not his or her responsibility.
15) Remain silent if the chair umpire overrules a call. Direct player inquiries to the
chair umpire.
16) If directed by the chair umpire to identify a mark, and the line umpire is sure of the
location of the mark, the line umpire should walk directly to the mark and point to
it in a manner that is clear to the chair umpire. The line umpire should then return
to his position without comment.
17) Promptly yield to the chair umpire when unsighted on a call.
18) If the line umpire sees that he or she may hinder a player’s stroke, make a reasonable
effort to get out of the way, but in so doing, make as little movement as
possible.
19) When there are Code Violations by players not witnessed by the chair umpire,
inform the chair umpire immediately or as soon as is reasonable prior to the start
of the next point, without disrupting a point or the match. The line umpire should
quickly approach the chair umpire and report the facts of the violation.

Baseline view replay starts at about 15 seconds. Sideline view replay starts at about 27 seconds.
MAdwVHXhGzA

Almost all focus has been on what Mr. Nalbandian did, and rightly so, but if a formal investigation or court case results, the line umpire's actions or inaction's may also be called into question. Above is from the ATP rulebook regarding Line Umpire's responsibilities. I don't know if there are more guidelines or procedures listed somewhere else other than the rulebook.

I've bolded what I see as the relevant ones to this particular incident.
Watching the clip closely again, and focusing on the line umpire, it seems that he is following #5, sitting in the chair.
#6? I'd have to say probably not. It looks as if he is watching the other end of the court instead of his line, or the player approaching his chair, which might make it difficult to react to #18, to get out of the way of the player making the stroke.

Now Nalbandian had completed his stroke, but his momentum did carry him within a stride or two of the chair box, where he subsequently kicked the bottom frame. From the sideline view, it does appear as if Nalbandian's eyes were focused on the ground in front of him, and not higher, and in the heat of the moment probably only saw the blue wooden frame and not the umpire, and kicked out at it in frustration.

It's also possible that after reviewing this video, that Nalbandian and his defenders may contend that the line umpire's attention was not where it should have been, and that the umpire should have been moving to get out of the way instead of watching the point, seeing that Nalbandian's momentum from the stroke was carrying him directly toward the chair.

I know it sounds like a stretch and obviously no defense of Nalbandian kicking the box...but it could come up...:shrug:

Respectfully,
masterclass

abraxas21
06-18-2012, 07:13 PM
If Nalby going to jail, can he at least have his tournament points back?

:spit:

post of the thread

ServeVolley
06-18-2012, 07:22 PM
6) Concentrate on the assigned line; conversation with spectators or others is to be
avoided.
18) If the line umpire sees that he or she may hinder a player’s stroke, make a reasonable
effort to get out of the way, but in so doing, make as little movement as
possible.



So if he'd been doing his job correctly, he'd never have gotten injured in the first place? What an idiot. :stupid:

star
06-18-2012, 07:22 PM
I think you should focus more on your analogy.

Shooting bullets in the middle of a crowd is inherently dangerous, no matter the consequences. Kicking an ad board, however foolishly, is not.

Focusing on the act intended is necessary to determine intent, is it not?

Like I said, though, a lot of people on here wouldn't know the difference between an accident and a deliberate assault.

I think maybe someone should show 'em. :D

In the law, intending the act is enough. I intentionally fire a gun but I do not intend to kill anyone, however someone is killed. I am responsible for that death. It may not be premeditated murder, but it is an unlawful killing.

If I intentionally smash a chair with people in the vicinity, and splinters of that chair hit someone and injure the person, I am responsible for the injury.

If I Intentionally kick a board that is within inches from someone’s body, and that person’s body is injured, I am responsible for that injury.

The law focuses on the intent of the action, and not whether the consequences were intended. For instance, I go with two other people to rob a store and one of the other two kills someone, I will be responsible for that death even if I was only sitting in the getaway car and not in the store.

Also kicking ia board is dangerous if someone is sitting inches behind that board.

I have no doubt that Nalbandian did not mean to injure the linesman, but he recklessly endangered the linesman with his intentional action.

Also, Nalbandian has been at hundreds of tennis tournaments and has seen the boxes around the linesmen’s chairs. He knows as well as some one who casually attends tournaments that these boards are flimsy. He was reckless and careless. I mean who kicks an object when there is a person sitting right there ? He didn’t even pay attention to the presence of the linesman.

finishingmove
06-18-2012, 07:28 PM
Just send him to the Wall.

star
06-18-2012, 07:30 PM
I very much doubt that there will be a criminal prosecution of the case. The linesman might have an action at common law, but it seems his damages would be minor.

Allez
06-18-2012, 07:36 PM
Just send him to the Wall.

Strong lads like Nalby are needed on the Wall :drive: Winter is coming :scared:

Hypnotize
06-18-2012, 07:44 PM
ATP Rulebook

V. PERSONNEL
5.07 Line Umpire
D. Responsibilities
1) Carry out all duties in accordance with the approved procedures of the ATP.
2) Not catch balls or hold towels for a player.
3) Not leave the court without permission of the chair umpire.
4) Dress uniformly with other line umpires as prescribed by the tournament and/or
the ATP.
5) Sit erect with both feet on the ground with arms resting on his or her legs.
6) Concentrate on the assigned line; conversation with spectators or others is to be
avoided.
7) Be accountable to the chair umpire only and have no discussions with the players.
A player’s questions must always be referred to the chair umpire. However,
a line umpire may answer a reasonably precise question if it relates to a call,
especially foot faults, unless that call has been overruled.
8) Move away from the on-court chair if necessary to get the best view possible of
the assigned line.
9) Make all calls as quickly as possible, maintaining consistency and accuracy. On
very close calls a fraction of a second’s hesitation is recommended to make sure
that the call is correct.
10) Never call a ball “Out” until it actually hits out or it hits a permanent fixture.
11) Make “Out,” “Fault,” “Net” and “Foot Fault” calls loudly and crisply followed by the
appropriate hand signal. Foot faults are never called until the serve is struck.
12) Do not make a call for a “good” ball. However, whenever there is a close call on a
good ball, the “good” ball hand signals should be given quickly to confi rm the call.
13) When there is an erroneous call, immediately call “Correction” so that the chair
umpire and the players are aware of the error. Then, make the corrected call.
14) Do not give an opinion on a call that is not his or her responsibility.
15) Remain silent if the chair umpire overrules a call. Direct player inquiries to the
chair umpire.
16) If directed by the chair umpire to identify a mark, and the line umpire is sure of the
location of the mark, the line umpire should walk directly to the mark and point to
it in a manner that is clear to the chair umpire. The line umpire should then return
to his position without comment.
17) Promptly yield to the chair umpire when unsighted on a call.
18) If the line umpire sees that he or she may hinder a player’s stroke, make a reasonable
effort to get out of the way, but in so doing, make as little movement as
possible.
19) When there are Code Violations by players not witnessed by the chair umpire,
inform the chair umpire immediately or as soon as is reasonable prior to the start
of the next point, without disrupting a point or the match. The line umpire should
quickly approach the chair umpire and report the facts of the violation.

Baseline view replay starts at about 15 seconds. Sideline view replay starts at about 27 seconds.
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Almost all focus has been on what Mr. Nalbandian did, and rightly so, but if a formal investigation or court case results, the line umpire's actions or inaction's may also be called into question. Above is from the ATP rulebook regarding Line Umpire's responsibilities. I don't know if there are more guidelines or procedures listed somewhere else other than the rulebook.

I've bolded what I see as the relevant ones to this particular incident.
Watching the clip closely again, and focusing on the line umpire, it seems that he is following #5, sitting in the chair.
#6? I'd have to say probably not. It looks as if he is watching the other end of the court instead of his line, or the player approaching his chair, which might make it difficult to react to #18, to get out of the way of the player making the stroke.

Now Nalbandian had completed his stroke, but his momentum did carry him within a stride or two of the chair box, where he subsequently kicked the bottom frame. From the sideline view, it does appear as if Nalbandian's eyes were focused on the ground in front of him, and not higher, and in the heat of the moment probably only saw the blue wooden frame and not the umpire, and kicked out at it in frustration.

It's also possible that after reviewing this video, that Nalbandian and his defenders may contend that the line umpire's attention was not where it should have been, and that the umpire should have been moving to get out of the way instead of watching the point, seeing that Nalbandian's momentum from the stroke was carrying him directly toward the chair.

I know it sounds like a stretch and obviously no defense of Nalbandian kicking the box...but it could come up...:shrug:

Respectfully,
masterclass
I really can't believe some of the nonsense that has been posted on here but this really does take it to a whole new level. You are actually trying to blame the linesman for being injured. :facepalm:

He is only required to concentrate on his assigned line when he has to make a call on it. Apart from the fact the ball was at the other end of the court, the point had finished. Are you really claiming linesmen must only look at their line for every second of the match. Would you allow them to look up during change-overs or would you ban that as well? Are you also claiming that when a player lashes out, it is the linesman's or ballgirl's responsibility to dive out of their way and if they don't they should be held responsible?

Ridiculous post.

Sunset of Age
06-18-2012, 07:56 PM
I very much doubt that there will be a criminal prosecution of the case. The linesman might have an action at common law, but it seems his damages would be minor.

Exactly.
Sounds to me as a typical 'unlawful act' ("onrechtmatige daad") as we call it in my country - a civil case, not so much a criminal case at all. Pretty sure the criminal prosecution would dismiss the case entirely over here, as there's no possible way to prove that it was Nalbandian's intention (either conciously or sub-conciously) to do any harm to that linejudge with his action.
An accident most of all. The linejudge may charge Nalby for paying damages (if anything really serious there is at all) but that's about it. I would encourage that linejudge to do so btw, but that's because it's my job. :p

Yes it was a bloody stupid act of Nalby's and imho he rightfully got disqualified (and an additional ATP penalty might well be in place, yes), but a criminal charge... nah.
I would really like to meet any prosecution officer that thinks (s)he has a case here... :stupid: :cool:

Might it just be yet another case of the media blowing things out of proportion and/or a journo reporting on something (s)he has no knowledge about? ;)

nellis_lv
06-18-2012, 07:58 PM
Well I think kicking an ad board in someone's legs did prove to be dangerous. The same action done a hundred times under the exact same conditions would more than likely yield the same results. An accident would have been Nalby slipping on the grass, crashing into the board and injuring the guy. That ad board is not a wall. If I place a piece of cardboard on your legs and smash away with a sledge hammer that is inherently dangerous. There's no getting around it.

If you knowingly knew that the sledgehammer would go through the cardboard and smash away at my legs, then yes, I should have the right to charge you for assault and to take said sledgehammer up to your cranium.

If you didn't know that a sledgehammer would go through cardboard, then maybe you shouldn't be allowed to have a sledgehammer, in the first place.

In the law, intending the act is enough. I intentionally fire a gun but I do not intend to kill anyone, however someone is killed. I am responsible for that death. It may not be premeditated murder, but it is an unlawful killing.

If I intentionally smash a chair with people in the vicinity, and splinters of that chair hit someone and injure the person, I am responsible for the injury.

If I Intentionally kick a board that is within inches from someone’s body, and that person’s body is injured, I am responsible for that injury.

The law focuses on the intent of the action, and not whether the consequences were intended. For instance, I go with two other people to rob a store and one of the other two kills someone, I will be responsible for that death even if I was only sitting in the getaway car and not in the store.

Also kicking ia board is dangerous if someone is sitting inches behind that board.

I have no doubt that Nalbandian did not mean to injure the linesman, but he recklessly endangered the linesman with his intentional action.

Also, Nalbandian has been at hundreds of tennis tournaments and has seen the boxes around the linesmen’s chairs. He knows as well as some one who casually attends tournaments that these boards are flimsy. He was reckless and careless. I mean who kicks an object when there is a person sitting right there ? He didn’t even pay attention to the presence of the linesman.

I think you missed the point, entirely.

Intentionally firing a gun = inherently dangerous. Smashing a chair within close proximity of others = inherently dangerous. Kicking a 'seemingly solid' wooden board is not inherently dangerous.

If the board would've stayed intact, no one would have noticed. Apparently though, any act with even an ounce of potential danger should be outlawed. In that case, all players should never come within 10 meters of lines judges and ball boys/girls while the ball is in play lest someone get hit / decapitated with a racquet.

Unless you're willing to say that he intended to break the board into pieces and make a bloody mess out of the old man, then I'm not really sure what's to keep going on about.

Allez
06-18-2012, 08:04 PM
I really can't believe some of the nonsense that has been posted on here but this really does take it to a whole new level. You are actually trying to blame the linesman for being injured. :facepalm:

He is only required to concentrate on his assigned line when he has to make a call on it. Apart from the fact the ball was at the other end of the court, the point had finished. Are you really claiming linesmen must only look at their line for every second of the match. Would you allow them to look up during change-overs or would you ban that as well? Are you also claiming that when a player lashes out, it is the linesman's or ballgirl's responsibility to dive out of their way and if they don't they should be held responsible?

Ridiculous post.

I think Masterclass is trying to bring humour into this whole debacle :haha: There's no way he is being serious. Surely :unsure:

Dougie
06-18-2012, 08:11 PM
Almost all focus has been on what Mr. Nalbandian did, and rightly so, but if a formal investigation or court case results, the line umpire's actions or inaction's may also be called into question. Above is from the ATP rulebook regarding Line Umpire's responsibilities. I don't know if there are more guidelines or procedures listed somewhere else other than the rulebook.

I've bolded what I see as the relevant ones to this particular incident.
Watching the clip closely again, and focusing on the line umpire, it seems that he is following #5, sitting in the chair.
#6? I'd have to say probably not. It looks as if he is watching the other end of the court instead of his line, or the player approaching his chair, which might make it difficult to react to #18, to get out of the way of the player making the stroke.

Now Nalbandian had completed his stroke, but his momentum did carry him within a stride or two of the chair box, where he subsequently kicked the bottom frame. From the sideline view, it does appear as if Nalbandian's eyes were focused on the ground in front of him, and not higher, and in the heat of the moment probably only saw the blue wooden frame and not the umpire, and kicked out at it in frustration.

It's also possible that after reviewing this video, that Nalbandian and his defenders may contend that the line umpire's attention was not where it should have been, and that the umpire should have been moving to get out of the way instead of watching the point, seeing that Nalbandian's momentum from the stroke was carrying him directly toward the chair.

I know it sounds like a stretch and obviously no defense of Nalbandian kicking the box...but it could come up...:shrug:

Respectfully,
masterclass

Are you serious with this?? The line judges focus on watching the line..WHEN THE BALL IS IN PLAY. The point was well over when Nalbandian kicked the ad.

Secondly, Dave was nowhere near the judge when the point ended. He took a couple of steps before kicking.

Thirly, even if the line judge shloud have moved ( which he shouldnt have, since he wasn´t in the way of Nalbandian when the ball was in play), where is he supposed to go? Come on, he´s sitting on a chair with his back to the ad board.

Finally, if Nalbandian after all these years still doesn´t know where the service line judge is sitting, he has bigger problems than his temper. All this bs about Dave seeing only the ad and not the judge is ridicilous.

You´re probably just trolling, but still...

Allez
06-18-2012, 08:13 PM
If you didn't know that a sledgehammer would go through cardboard, then maybe you shouldn't be allowed to have a sledgehammer, in the first place.


Exactly. If you cannot comprehend the likelihood of someone sitting inches behind a piece of cardboard getting injured by kicking it at them (he did not kick it side ways away from the guy) then you've no business being on the court. An accident would have been Nalbandian chasing the ball, slipping on the grass, crashing into the board and causing an injury. I have no doubt the match would have continued under those circumstances. Huge difference.

Sunset of Age
06-18-2012, 08:16 PM
Are you serious with this?? The line judges focus on watching the line..WHEN THE BALL IS IN PLAY. The point was well over when Nalbandian kicked the ad.

Secondly, Dave was nowhere near the judge when the point ended. He took a couple of steps before kicking.

Thirly, even if the line judge shloud have moved ( which he shouldnt have, since he wasn´t in the way of Nalbandian when the ball was in play), where is he supposed to go? Come on, he´s sitting on a chair with his back to the ad board.

Finally, if Nalbandian after all these years still doesn´t know where the service line judge is sitting, he has bigger problems than his temper. All this bs about Dave seeing only the ad and not the judge is ridicilous.

You´re probably just trolling, but still...

Jeebus yes I hope so.
Blaiming a linejudge himself for getting injured because he didn't jump out of the window when this happened. Oooookaaaayyy. :facepalm:

Allegretto
06-18-2012, 08:18 PM
I know it sounds like a stretch
It actually sounds like the ramblings of a severely mentally ill individual.

Respectfully,
A sane person

star
06-18-2012, 08:21 PM
Exactly.
Sounds to me as a typical 'unlawful act' ("onrechtmatige daad") as we call it in my country - a civil case, not so much a criminal case at all. Pretty sure the criminal prosecution would dismiss the case entirely over here, as there's no possible way to prove that it was Nalbandian's intention (either conciously or sub-conciously) to do any harm to that linejudge with his action.
An accident most of all. The linejudge may charge Nalby for paying damages (if anything really serious there is at all) but that's about it. I would encourage that linejudge to do so btw, but that's because it's my job. :p

Yes it was a bloody stupid act of Nalby's and imho he rightfully got disqualified (and an additional ATP penalty might well be in place, yes), but a criminal charge... nah.
I would really like to meet any prosecution officer that thinks (s)he has a case here... :stupid: :cool:

Might it just be yet another case of the media blowing things out of proportion and/or a journo reporting on something (s)he has no knowledge about? ;)

As I carefully explained before, in law, it is not necessary to intend harm to be held criminally responsible for harm.

Also, as others have pointed out, this was not an accident. Nalbandian did not accidentally kick the board. He kicked it and he kicked it hard on purpose out of, as he explained it, frustration. At the very least he recklessly caused the harm. Such as if you are driving recklessly and have an “accident” and someone dies That is something that can be criminally prosecuted.

Sunset of Age
06-18-2012, 08:33 PM
As I carefully explained before, in law, it is not necessary to intend harm to be held criminally responsible for harm.

Also, as others have pointed out, this was not an accident. Nalbandian did not accidentally kick the board. He kicked it and he kicked it hard on purpose out of, as he explained it, frustration. At the very least he recklessly caused the harm. Such as if you are driving recklessly and have an “accident” and someone dies That is something that can be criminally prosecuted.

I know what you're saying (;)), I just didn't want to dig too far into the case, but merely comment on the fact that *I* don't think that a criminal case would get anywhere, here - in this particular case.
There's pretty much jurisprudence on cases like reckless driving and the like over here as well - it's called 'voorwaardelijke opzet' in my country (and eww I do not know how to translate it in proper English, but in Latin, it's the difference between dolus and malus - and the entire grey area between the two extreme cases :)).

Still I do not think there's enough material for a genuine criminal case here. There is a difference between (the possible nasty outcomes of) reckless driving (just to name an extreme example) and kicking an advertisement board.
Like I said, Nalbandian's act was stupid and even idiotic, childish, etc., and the linesjudge does have a case under common/civil law, but I don't think there is much ground for any success in any possible criminal case.

Hypnotize
06-18-2012, 08:33 PM
It actually sounds like the ramblings of a severely mentally ill individual.

Respectfully,
A sane person
Haha. Funniest post of the day. :worship:

nellis_lv
06-18-2012, 08:42 PM
Exactly. If you cannot comprehend the likelihood of someone sitting inches behind a piece of cardboard getting injured by kicking it at them (he did not kick it side ways away from the guy) then you've no business being on the court. An accident would have been Nalbandian chasing the ball, slipping on the grass, crashing into the board and causing an injury. I have no doubt the match would have continued under those circumstances. Huge difference.

Ok, if we took a poll of top 100 ATP players and asked them if that wooden board would break with just one kick, how many do you assume would get it right?

MrEleganza
06-18-2012, 08:43 PM
Man, I can't believe this linesman. Worse than any flop in the NBA or any dive on the soccer pitch I've ever seen.

And oh yeah...the "blood." Copious amounts of it. I know blood when I see it and I know ketchup when I see it. That's ketchup. Very clever of him to keep a couple packets in his hand for when a case like this develops.

Also, humoring the ridiculous claim that that is REALLY blood and his histrionics were actually caused by "pain," all that matters is the INTENT TO INJURE. Not the end result, not "recklessness," whatever that means. I don't know much about the law, but I know common sense and believe law follows common sense.

I'll try to give an parallel example that doesn't involve ridiculous things like guns and cars, which are obviously completely different:

If I'm in a bar, and I get involved in a fight, and I swing at a guy and miss and instead an uninvolved patron and knock a couple of his teeth out, of COURSE I'm not responsible for his injuries, nor would a court on the planet hold me as responsible. I DIDN'T MEAN TO HURT THE GUY, I WAS AIMING FOR SOMEONE ELSE. Duh! Bars are dangerous places and everyone knows that. Alcohol-fueled brawls happen all the time in them. If you go to a bar, you are taking an inherent risk that something like that might happen.

Likewise, a tennis court is a dangerous place. Players lash out all the time, and YOU KNOW you might get hit by the shrapnel of an advertising board that a player has kicked and get your leg cut up (or pretend to, in this case). It happens all the time!

Dougie
06-18-2012, 08:46 PM
Ok, if we took a poll of top 100 ATP players and asked them if that wooden board would break with just one kick, how many do you assume would get it right?

Doesn´t matter. How many of them would be dumb enough to actually go kick it, is the question. At least one, is the answer.

Sapeod
06-18-2012, 08:54 PM
Police investigation? Brilliant.

star
06-18-2012, 08:54 PM
:lol: How many would think a board would break?

These boxes aren’t fastened into the ground or anything. They can easily move. Even if the board didn’t break it could easily move and cause injury that way.

I ask you: How many top 100 ATP players would kick a wooden box with someone siting inside it?

Sapeod
06-18-2012, 08:55 PM
Man, I can't believe this linesman. Worse than any flop in the NBA or any dive on the soccer pitch I've ever seen.

And oh yeah...the "blood." Copious amounts of it. I know blood when I see it and I know ketchup when I see it. That's ketchup. Very clever of him to keep a couple packets in his hand for when a case like this develops.

Also, humoring the ridiculous claim that that is REALLY blood and his histrionics were actually caused by "pain," all that matters is the INTENT TO INJURE. Not the end result, not "recklessness," whatever that means. I don't know much about the law, but I know common sense and believe law follows common sense.

I'll try to give an parallel example that doesn't involve ridiculous things like guns and cars, which are obviously completely different:

If I'm in a bar, and I get involved in a fight, and I swing at a guy and miss and instead an uninvolved patron and knock a couple of his teeth out, of COURSE I'm not responsible for his injuries, nor would a court on the planet hold me as responsible. I DIDN'T MEAN TO HURT THE GUY, I WAS AIMING FOR SOMEONE ELSE. Duh! Bars are dangerous places and everyone knows that. Alcohol-fueled brawls happen all the time in them. If you go to a bar, you are taking an inherent risk that something like that might happen.

Likewise, a tennis court is a dangerous place. Players lash out all the time, and YOU KNOW you might get hit by the shrapnel of an advertising board that a player has kicked and get your leg cut up (or pretend to, in this case). It happens all the time!
Ketchup. Right.


:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Sham Kay
06-18-2012, 09:07 PM
It was comical in the way that the lines judge is completely milking the situation. As said before, it is inexcusable for Nalby to kick the box and causing injury but that lines judge had a quick look at David, then realised what had happened, instantly thought of £$£$$ he could stand to make and proceeded to roll about on the turf as if he had been shot.

I was watching the final and commented straightaway that had Fed, Djoko, Rafa, Masha, Serena had done the same, the umpire would not have the balls to default.

ATP will severely punish Nalby and there's likely to be a lawsuit from the lines judge too. There will be interviews on national TV, radio and most likely a film will be written as we are discussing this topic.

Those are three extreme assumptions man. Two if the first one was you showcasing your extreme mind reading abilities


He had to play TWO matches in a day in a wet court, and all for nothing? The ATP is a joke.

So hope a suspension, but ATP will have their tails between their legs to do anything serious

Basically whatever decision the corrupt jokers at the ATP end up making, MTF shall not be amused