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Fastest Grass Court Tournament? (New Poll Added)

Kolya
06-17-2012, 06:12 AM
What is the fastest grass court tournament?

Paylu2007
06-17-2012, 06:14 AM
first vote! :O

Oniegin
06-17-2012, 06:16 AM
yep. halle because it is indoor grass court

henke007
06-17-2012, 06:22 AM
The one where claycourters go out left and right..

Paylu2007
06-17-2012, 07:05 AM
someone voted wimbledon :lol: :lol: :facepalm:

pesto
06-17-2012, 07:18 AM
Rhode Island.

Houstonko
06-17-2012, 07:28 AM
Halle is great. Nadal wouldn't have won wimbledon with this court.

henke007
06-17-2012, 07:37 AM
Nadal would have had 1 fluke W tops with these courts

moon language
06-17-2012, 07:38 AM
Rhode Island.

Good point, Newport should be in the poll. It may just be the fastest.

outrider
06-17-2012, 08:17 AM
Yes, its Newport.

romismak
06-17-2012, 08:50 AM
You forgot Newport add to the poll, actually i think Queens is quicker than Halle, i don´t know why but i have the feeling, maybe it looks so, becuase Queens grass is just so great-fantastic looking-it is country club, while Halle´s grass is different only used for tournament, but Halle is kind of specific, they are half-indoor event with that roof and arena where is tournament, in bad weather they close roof and it is really indoor grass event.

I really wonder how quick will olympics be with new grass.

TigerTim
06-17-2012, 08:56 AM
Newport

Houstonko
06-17-2012, 09:00 AM
I really wonder how quick will olympics be with new grass.

Don't Olympics use Wimbledon courts? That will be green clay.

Har-Tru
06-17-2012, 09:40 AM
It's Newport by far.

dencod16
06-17-2012, 09:47 AM
The fastest one is not even in the poll, the best grass surface is Newport and the fastest. And its to the tee what a grass tournament should be, when it comes to surface.

_Chaz
06-17-2012, 09:52 AM
The fastest one is not even in the poll, the best grass surface is Newport and the fastest. And its to the tee what a grass tournament should be, when it comes to surface.

Well, in an interview Haas for example critisized the Newport grass (don't have the source for the interview because he gives so many these days, but I think it was during RG) and said sth like "The courts there are like a meadow, the ball simply doesnt bounce at all." and Haas likes fast grass so I think he's probably overreacting but if he says sth like this then the courts aren't surely the best cured ones.

cardio
06-17-2012, 10:36 AM
Interesting article about grass-court preparations in Wimbledon

http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/behind_the_scenes/201205091336574386704.html


All England Club Head Groundsman designate Neil Stubley :

“We had about 22 people here over two days to discuss all the ins and outs of keeping grass courts. One of the guys was from Boston, he runs a tennis club there that the US team are going to use as their base camp for pre-Olympics, so he’s been sent to have a look at what we do here. We get together with grass experts, soil experts, Scott’s fertisiler company to discuss good or bad fertiliser regimes, what seeds are best, what soils are best for tennis. We do demonstrations, how we renovate the courts. Queen’s Club come in and practically demonstrate their spring preparations, it’s not all about what we do here.

I’ve always preached that this is what we do here at Wimbledon, it’s not the right way or the wrong way, but it’s how we do it and it’s how it works for us. Everyone has their own site, so there is no should and shouldn’t be doing.

For example, Centre Court and Court 12 have completely different dynamics, which will be different to the tennis club down the road. At the end of the day it’s growing grass, and you can either make it very, very complicated, or very, very easy. And we make it very easy. If you are a good groundsman, you know when your grass needs something.”

Practically he admitted that there are very different approaches how to prepare grass-courts and Wimbledon`s current practice to make them as slow as possible, is not the most popular one among other "old school" grass specialists.

henke007
06-17-2012, 10:41 AM
Practically he admitted that there are very different approaches how to prepare grass-courts and Toni's current practice to make them as slow as possible, is not the most popular one among other "old school" grass specialists.

Nid :o

TigerTim
06-17-2012, 10:47 AM
Fucking disgusting, I'm going to write a letter in protest, I'm serious.

ApproachShot
06-17-2012, 11:13 AM
Newport, I think.

Lugburz
06-17-2012, 11:26 AM
this should have been public poll, so we could see who voted Wimbly lol

edit: Newport is not listed, which is the fastest, but Halle is the fastest one listed...

l_mac
06-17-2012, 11:32 AM
Practically he admitted that there are very different approaches how to prepare grass-courts and Wimbledon`s current practice to make them as slow as possible, is not the most popular one among other "old school" grass specialists.

Where does it say that? :confused:

Kolya
06-17-2012, 12:02 PM
I forgot Newport, because it is played after the "grass court" season.

Action Jackson
06-17-2012, 12:05 PM
New poll added.

Johnny Groove
06-17-2012, 12:11 PM
Halle is great. Nadal wouldn't have won wimbledon with this court.

Nadal would have had 1 fluke W tops with these courts

It is common knowledge that the speed of a court is directly correlated with how well Nadal does.

He loses early? Fast court for sure. He wins the tournament? Slowest court on tour :lol:

cardio
06-17-2012, 12:26 PM
Where does it say that? :confused:

Not in so many words of course. But just talk about whether Wimbledon prepares courts "right way or wrong way" and admitting that the way Wimby does it, may not be best for others,sounds kinda defencive to me. IMO it hints that there are lot of discussions behind scenes how to prepare grass courts. Just the fact that other grass tournaments doesnt slow courts down like Wimby did, shows it IMO .

It is not groundsmen decision anyway, I guess.They are only employees . There are tournament directors/ owners who want to see old fashioned fast grass.Groundsmen prepare courts the way bosses want it. You want it fast, low bounce, you want lot of serve and volley, chip and charge - you get it. You want it slow and high bounce, also more durable, you want lot of baseline grinding - we will guarantee that no S&V mug will not get past 3rd round.

Hian-GOAT
06-17-2012, 12:27 PM
Peak Di Mauro on every surface.

l_mac
06-17-2012, 03:09 PM
Not in so many words of course. But just talk about whether Wimbledon prepares courts "right way or wrong way" and admitting that the way Wimby does it, may not be best for others,sounds kinda defencive to me. IMO it hints that there are lot of discussions behind scenes how to prepare grass courts. Just the fact that other grass tournaments doesnt slow courts down like Wimby did, shows it IMO .


That's not what was spoken about at all :lol: Stop projecting.

green25814
06-17-2012, 03:20 PM
Yeah its Newport for me too.

yesh222
06-17-2012, 03:37 PM
Newport by a mile.

(Although the place in Australia where they hosted Switzerland in DC last year was pretty darn fast.)

BroTree123
06-17-2012, 03:37 PM
Can't find Nalbandian on the poll.

philosophicalarf
06-17-2012, 09:53 PM
Newport is easily the lowest bounce of all the grass events now, but despite that I don't think it's especially quick through the court. You often see returners doing quite well there.

Nieminen said Halle is much quicker than Wimbledon now - I think probably it's also quicker than Queens. Last year quite a few of the experienced guys said Queens had slowed.

S'Hertogenbosch is pretty much always the slowest.

Eastbourne uses the same grass as Wimbledon, so also on the slow side.

Jimnik
06-17-2012, 10:20 PM
I bet this is pretty fast.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1418/1117796294_a148f01a7a_o.jpg

156mphserve
06-18-2012, 03:37 AM
It sucks that there was room enough in this poll to fit all tournaments, you could have even fit the grass challengers in there too, that's how sad this shit is. Bring back Grass

MrChopin
06-18-2012, 05:14 AM
Wimbledon, then Jimnik's photo.

ahadabans
06-18-2012, 07:11 AM
Interesting article about grass-court preparations in Wimbledon

http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/behind_the_scenes/201205091336574386704.html

Practically he admitted that there are very different approaches how to prepare grass-courts and Wimbledon`s current practice to make them as slow as possible, is not the most popular one among other "old school" grass specialists.

Nowhere in that article did anyone say the court was made as slow as possible. There is no mention of speed at all.

And the answer to the thread is whatever court Nadal loses on earliest. When he lost at Queen's, it was fastest. When he won Queen's, it was slow. He lost at Halle this year, so it's fastest right now. In two weeks though, should Nadal go out early in Wimbledon, it will be the fastest. The again, if Nadal wins Wimbledon it will be back to being the slowest grass court on the planet with speeds essentially on par with clay. Makes no difference that the courts at Wimbledon have been the same since 2001.

ahadabans
06-18-2012, 07:22 AM
I bet this is pretty fast.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1418/1117796294_a148f01a7a_o.jpg

LOL. I bet the bounce on the that is horrible. And I'm thinking you are going to have a hell of a time winning games at the bottom of the hill. Although at the top of the hill you probably hit everything long, so maybe the guy at the bottom just wins from unforced errors.

LightWarrior
06-18-2012, 11:38 PM
Why is Queen's so behind ? It's obviously way faster than Wimbledon. Actually they've always been using the same grass and didn't switch to slower grass, unlike Wimbledon 10 years ago.
Eastbourne looks very slow (and always has been).

Lugburz
06-18-2012, 11:55 PM
haha so now we have that one who voted Wimbly lol

Lugburz
06-18-2012, 11:57 PM
Anyway:
Newport>Halle>Den Bosch>Eastbourne>Queens>DC>Wimbly

kafkavert
09-20-2012, 09:51 PM
yep. halle because it is indoor grass court

I love Halle! That is true Tennis!

The Prince
09-20-2012, 10:06 PM
Gstaad will surely be the quickest grass-court event when it's introduced

BK 201
09-20-2012, 10:22 PM
yep. halle because it is indoor grass court

Actually, players have stated that Queens is faster than Halle, that's the reason many of the top players have been playing Halle in recent years because it is very similar to the slower grass courts at Wimbledon. By the way, the US Open is the fastest slam yet that does not have a roof; Your reasoning is invalid.

motorhead
09-20-2012, 10:52 PM
The one where claycourters go out left and right..

:haha:

LightWarrior
09-20-2012, 11:19 PM
Don't know about Newport but Queen's looks so fast on tv (especially just a day after RG). Don't know if it's because of camera angle but the bounce it Halle looks higher than Queen's - at least on tv again. Plus Queen's never swtiched grass unlike Wimbly.
The slowest has to be Eastbourne imo.

ogbg
09-21-2012, 12:08 AM
Newport seems really fast. Or maybe it's just a really low bounce, which makes it seem faster.