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Kohli, Darcis and Oli Rochus not in Olympics; other Feds being stupid

Ash86
06-16-2012, 05:14 PM
Via @angelikf:

Another 'victim' of NOC rules? Kohlschreiber said DTB and DOSB have told them that there is no German male player qualified for London2012

So many Federations are being ridiculous. Rochus fighting the Belgians to get in; Indian doubles in disarray etc.

But for Kohli, former Halle champs who's just beaten Nadal on grass not to get to go to the Olympics, is so ridiculous! Poor guy. Hope they change their mind.

ahadabans
06-16-2012, 05:17 PM
That's messed up. WTF?

On a happier note, I'm really excited for the Olympics this year. The fact that they are on grass and Federer is nearing the end of his career and still needs the gold in singles... I really think Fed is going to win it. Almost seems destined.

abraxas21
06-16-2012, 05:17 PM
uncle toni at it again. :facepalm:

misty1
06-16-2012, 05:22 PM
why in the fuck not? this is just some of the stupidest shit i've ever seen in regards to these olympic qualification rules

he's about as close to the top 25 as you can get without actually being there and he just beat nadal and yet they arent letting him in

just because a player isnt top 25 doesnt mean they'll do well, they could easily crash out round 1

GSMnadal
06-16-2012, 05:22 PM
Package deal with Rafa, Kohli got his win, Rafa got one less threat to worry about.

duong
06-16-2012, 05:23 PM
strange title : "other feds" ? :confused:

Besides, this had been known for quite some time because of the German specific rules, the more dubious case was Florian Mayer who's in the top-24 only if you take out the players who won't play the olympics anyway

dencod16
06-16-2012, 05:24 PM
why in the fuck not? this is just some of the stupidest shit i've ever seen in regards to these olympic qualification rules

he's about as close to the top 25 as you can get without actually being there and he just beat nadal and yet they arent letting him in

just because a player isnt top 25 doesnt mean they'll do well, they could easily crash out round 1

Its not a rule set by Olympic Committee of the ITF, they have said that they dont agree with the rules. This rules are set by the National Olympic Committee of Germany and Belgium.

Filo V.
06-16-2012, 05:24 PM
Goes to show how much of a joke the Olympics are regarding tennis (and I could say in general, but that's beside the point). There should be one standard of rules that qualify a player into the Olympics. That's common sense.

misty1
06-16-2012, 05:25 PM
Its not a rule set by Olympic Committee of the ITF, they have said that they dont agree with the rules. This rules are set by the National Olympic Committee of Germany and Belgium.

i know that and im saying its incredibly stupid. I just dont understand that at all. Rank does not determine a strong performance. These people who came up with this crap seriously need to get rid of it

iriraz
06-16-2012, 05:41 PM
I never understood all the needed criterias for a player to compete at Olympics in tennis.
It might be a big accomplishment for anyone to win a medal but when someone like Lopez doesn`t play because he isn`t in the top 4 of his country and then u get players from Barbados,China with no real rankings then it`s tough to consider this a top tournament.
I understand they want smaller countries to compete in Olympics but it certainly lowers the playing level compared to Masters Event.

duong
06-16-2012, 05:44 PM
I never understood all the needed criterias for a player to compete at Olympics in tennis.
It might be a big accomplishment for anyone to win a medal but when someone like Lopez doesn`t play because he isn`t in the top 4 of his country and then u get players from Barbados,China with no real rankings then it`s tough to consider this a top tournament.
I understand they want smaller countries to compete in Olympics but it certainly lowers the playing level compared to Masters Event.

it's much worse in swimming : only 2 swimmers by nation and the Americans and Australians would have many great swimmers in many competitions (even for the French the qualifyings for 100 meters are a competition between 5 potential medalists :lol: )

Hypnotize
06-16-2012, 05:46 PM
Didn't the same thing happen at the Olympics 8 years ago when two German women qualified but the German Federation refused to send them due to their rankings? I think it was Barna and Muller.

mooncreek
06-16-2012, 05:48 PM
This is easily the stupidest ruling of all. A player who won a grass title last year, beat Rafa on grass this year and they don't think he has a shot?

The saddest part is I can see a case where Haas ends up in with a wild card due to his name while Kohlschreiber and Florian Mayer are still out.

Jomp1
06-16-2012, 05:53 PM
Not the men's, but the Swedish OC stopped Sofia Arvidsson from going. She made it in with a margin of about 15 ranking spots.

ITF needs to put the pressure on IOC. This is bullshit. Tennis is not some marginal sport, just qualifying is big.

abraxas21
06-16-2012, 05:57 PM
This is easily the stupidest ruling of all. A player who won a grass title last year, beat Rafa on grass this year and they don't think he has a shot?

The saddest part is I can see a case where Haas ends up in with a wild card due to his name while Kohlschreiber and Florian Mayer are still out.

haas is a better player than both mayer and kohli, though.

Hypnotize
06-16-2012, 05:58 PM
This is easily the stupidest ruling of all. A player who won a grass title last year, beat Rafa on grass this year and they don't think he has a shot?

The saddest part is I can see a case where Haas ends up in with a wild card due to his name while Kohlschreiber and Florian Mayer are still out.
The German girls lost their appeal so I don't see the German Federation backing down over this.

TigerTim
06-16-2012, 06:00 PM
Bunch of turnips.

STUHL
06-16-2012, 07:21 PM
His only chance now is that he gets a Special Treatment because he just Beat Rafael nadal. Like Schuettler in 2008. Otherwise it would be really sad.

Timariot
06-16-2012, 07:25 PM
it's much worse in swimming : only 2 swimmers by nation and the Americans and Australians would have many great swimmers in many competitions (even for the French the qualifyings for 100 meters are a competition between 5 potential medalists :lol: )

Yeah, and there are even worse sports like wrestling or boxing: it's fully possible - and has happened often - that second best in the world does not get to go to Olympics, because top 2 are from same country...

misty1
06-16-2012, 08:51 PM
possibly one of the all time worst olympic qualification systems is football.

Foxy
06-16-2012, 09:54 PM
This is easily the stupidest ruling of all. A player who won a grass title last year, beat Rafa on grass this year and they don't think he has a shot?

The saddest part is I can see a case where Haas ends up in with a wild card due to his name while Kohlschreiber and Florian Mayer are still out.

I think I should refresh your memory. Kohli won Halle last year because Federer didn't play. Kohli beat Nadal because of the tank. Kohli doesn't deserve the Olympics place and we all know it. Kohli should have played much better in Slams and reach QF or reach SF in Masters. It is a simple rule. Deal with it! Bye, bi7ches!

Or Levy
06-16-2012, 09:56 PM
Sad, because it's not like Philipp has lesser chances to get a medal then Mardy fish or Massu back in 2004, or Gonzo in 2008. It's a good surface for him, he's in shape.

Shame.

Henry Chinaski
06-16-2012, 10:51 PM
Idiot germans

they screwed denis gremelmayr 4 years ago.

he qualified by ITF criteria but not by German olympic committee ones. Lower ranked Schuettler was sent instead.

Was pretty funny when the ITF press release basically called Schuettler a rat for accepting the place.

Mahqz
06-16-2012, 11:23 PM
Schüttler is a bad example as he just reached Wimby SF before and deserved this special rule but overall you're right.

BaselineSmash
06-16-2012, 11:25 PM
I'm not so much outraged as confused. There must be something I'm not getting here, like total number of spots available. If this is a case of a more likely medal prospect getting a spot in the Olympics in place of Kohli, then maybe I could come round to agreeing with this decision. But if he's being excluded just because of some uninformed decision about his ability, then he should appeal the hell out of this judgment.

misty1
06-17-2012, 02:01 AM
I'm not so much outraged as confused. There must be something I'm not getting here, like total number of spots available. If this is a case of a more likely medal prospect getting a spot in the Olympics in place of Kohli, then maybe I could come round to agreeing with this decision. But if he's being excluded just because of some uninformed decision about his ability, then he should appeal the hell out of this judgment.

germany, sweden and belgium have these rules for their tennis players regarding olympic qualification:

1. must be ranked within the top 25 in the world
2. if they arent ranked in the top 25 then they have to at made at least the 4th round of a slam during the olympic year

if they cant meet these criteria then they dont play

stupid no?

Topspindoctor
06-17-2012, 02:02 AM
Steffi Graf has better chance to come out of retirement and win men's singles gold than a clown like Mugshcreiber.

misty1
06-17-2012, 02:04 AM
its not about him winning. He's done what normally should be necessary to allow himself to play. Given the winners and medalists of olympics past its not out of the realm of possiblity that he could have grabbed a medal.

these extra reqirements tacked on arent fair

Chase Visa
06-17-2012, 02:10 AM
germany, sweden and belgium have these rules for their tennis players regarding olympic qualification:

1. must be ranked within the top 25 in the world
2. if they arent ranked in the top 25 then they have to at made at least the 4th round of a slam during the olympic year

if they cant meet these criteria then they dont play

stupid no?

Didn't he do just that in the AO?

leng jai
06-17-2012, 02:12 AM
Such pretentious criteria.

misty1
06-17-2012, 03:35 AM
Didn't he do just that in the AO?

Im not sure if its all the slams or if they refer to the slams nearest to the olympics and in that case the french/wimbledon

given that they seem to be ignoring that fact im thinking it is the case that they only look at the slams that are close to the olympics and there for are ignoring his performance at the australian

i do know that, even though david goffin is well out of the top 25 his run at the french has the belgian federation apparently letting him go to the olympics if he can

156mphserve
06-17-2012, 04:41 AM
I read on here that the Germna rule was top 25 or slam QF, or 1000 SF, while the belgium rule was top 25 or slam R16 or 1000 QF, that's why Goffin gets in and Kohlschreiber doesn't.

I think it's really stupid that the federation even has the ability to not allow a player who qualifies to go

Chirag
06-17-2012, 04:46 AM
I thought you meant Federer being stupid :o You meant federations :o

I really hope Phillip makes it

_Chaz
06-17-2012, 09:44 AM
I read on here that the Germna rule was top 25 or slam QF, or 1000 SF, while the belgium rule was top 25 or slam R16 or 1000 QF, that's why Goffin gets in and Kohlschreiber doesn't.

I think it's really stupid that the federation even has the ability to not allow a player who qualifies to go

Yeah you're right. Criteria for Germans:

1. Be ranked 24 or higher in the adjusted rankings after RG (which Flo Mayer was actually)

or

2. Reach a GS QF or Masters SF during the years 2011 and 2012.


If every Olympic Committee had these rules, I think for example Cilic (because I think in the end they didn't take the adjusted ranking but the 'real' one) would also not be nominated.

STUHL
06-17-2012, 10:12 AM
So the DTB started to negotiate with the DOSB, so that at least Kohli could play, because he is right now Number 18 in the live Ranking and his recent form, so at least kohli could hope that he gets in!

JMG
06-17-2012, 11:06 AM
The more important question is whether they nominate a doubles team or not. Petzschner is a current slam winner. It would be a disgrace to not nominate him.

MattATP
06-17-2012, 08:49 PM
So should we expect to see the German players in Washington, D.C.?

Orange Wombat
06-17-2012, 11:02 PM
There's only one Fed :worship:

kiriri***
06-18-2012, 06:16 AM
So should we expect to see the German players in Washington, D.C.?

Probably they won't. Because they entered Kitzbühel past week.

abraxas21
06-18-2012, 06:32 AM
There's only one Fed :worship:

i agree. robert federer is a great man

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs_v3/straightsets/posts/07robertfederer.190.jpg

STUHL
06-18-2012, 12:32 PM
http://www.tennisnet.com/deutschland/welttennis/herren/DTB-und-DOSB-verhandeln-noch-ueber-Olympia-Aufgebot/4096871

According to this article. Kohli should have good chance to be nominated after Halle. Haas would need a Wild Card from the ITF...

Drikke
06-19-2012, 12:21 PM
Belgian OIC confirmed only David Goffin can go to the London Olympic Games. Steve Darcis and Olivier Rochus are not allowed to go because they didn't match the belgian criteria : top 24 or a 4th round in a major.

NOTE 1: same happenned 4 years ago when Rochus and Darcis finally went to a judge to go and they did won the case.

NOTE 2: if Xavier Malisse gets a direct entry or an ITF place, he CAN go to the olympics because he did reach the 4th round of a major, which is needed for the BOIC to go.

:o:o:o:o

Castafiore
06-19-2012, 12:25 PM
It's utterly ludicrous that only Goffin has a ticket in his hands. :(

Wing Man Frank
06-19-2012, 12:48 PM
It's utterly ludicrous that only Goffin has a ticket in his hands. :(

He's the worst of the four of them when it comes to grass! :facepalm:

dencod16
06-19-2012, 03:32 PM
http://www.tennisnet.com/deutschland/welttennis/herren/DTB-und-DOSB-verhandeln-noch-ueber-Olympia-Aufgebot/4096871

According to this article. Kohli should have good chance to be nominated after Halle. Haas would need a Wild Card from the ITF...

I think the German NOC can replace Kohli with Haas if they want to. As they did with Gremelmayr and Schuttler, Schuttler originally didn't qualify, but he was nominated in place of Gremelmayr.

BodyServe
06-19-2012, 03:37 PM
I feel it's going to be a joke of a tournament, fake grass, players missing, multiple feds...

Ibracadabra
06-19-2012, 04:06 PM
Goffin getting in is abit of a joke, be surprised if he wins a set.

jrm
06-19-2012, 04:29 PM
only Mayer for Germany?

jrm
06-19-2012, 04:32 PM
It's utterly ludicrous that only Goffin has a ticket in his hands. :(

why shouldn't he get one :shrug: one should get one based on results and not his ability to play on grass!

misty1
06-19-2012, 04:36 PM
Goffin getting in is abit of a joke, be surprised if he wins a set.

yeah because the entry list is full of grass specialists:rolleyes:

it might not be his best surface but you could certainly say that about other guys too

donald young for instance

duong
06-19-2012, 05:30 PM
in other sports, criteria are this harsh, sometimes harsher (I heard the German Federation asked very very hard criteria in swimming), in several countries including Germany : that's why the German Olympic Committee decided that.

I don't know if they lose money for one athlete going, but anyway you should know that the number of athletes going to the Olympics has been restricted by the IOC to keep the Olympic Games sustainable : hence for tennis to take part in the Olympics, some other sports are not able to take part (in fencing they had to make some sports be played only once every 2 Olympic Games or create some strange mixed competitions which are concurred only in the Olympics) and/or the number of athletes was restricted in other sports.

Any news about Florian Mayer by the way ?

STUHL
06-21-2012, 07:52 PM
http://www.spox.com/de/sport/olympia/sommerspiele-2012/1206/News/tommy-haas-muss-hoffnungen-auf-olympia-begraben-london-2012-dosb-tennis-philipp-kohlschreiber.html++
Kohli seems to be in according to this, but no Mayer no Haas...

BaselineSmash
07-03-2012, 03:18 PM
If Kohli can hold onto new #21 ranking, he's going to meet the criteria after all.

Chase Visa
07-03-2012, 03:19 PM
If Kohli can hold onto new #21 ranking, he's going to meet the criteria after all.

He's made the QF's, so no worry about holding onto a Top 24 ranking.

dencod16
07-03-2012, 03:21 PM
Mayer is not in the entry list, Kohli is.

BaselineSmash
07-03-2012, 03:21 PM
He's made the QF's, so no worry about holding onto a Top 24 ranking.

Quite right, same for Mayer too; I wonder if this furore has motivated them...

Leo
07-03-2012, 03:34 PM
Wait, so now that Kohl and Mayer are QFists and Haas is Halle champion, will the three of them be allowed in by the German tennis fed? What's the current status? This is ridiculous. It was always ridiculous because the German players are all very good and dangerous on grass - just proving it more than ever this year!

uxyzapenje
07-03-2012, 03:43 PM
I get the Germans (even if they should rly let Kohli and Flo to the Olympics), but Belgium? Rly? That high criteria for Belgium? Why? Like they have many athletes that hava a chance for a medal? Like they are so big spor nation so they don't want to send some1 who is not going to get the emdal?