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Players who might give the top 3 a scare in Wimby's QF or earlier

abraxas21
06-16-2012, 02:27 AM
first tier threats (in no particular order):

Raonic (big server and big hitter, could use the grass to his advantage even in the "slow grass" conditions)
Isner (same as above)
Berdych (less powerful server than isner and raonic but his baseline game is better; could be a threat for any top player if he has the right day)
Tsonga (if recovered from his finger injury)
del potro (as suggested by mark lenders)

Second tier threats (in no particular order):

Nalbandian (probably not a threat but his name still scares as he might just find the right day)
Haas (hopefully he'll be a threat but much would be needed)
Roddick (he's old and washed up to many but hell it would be weird to discount a, what?, 3-time wimbledon finalist?)
muller (big server and hitter; could use the grass to his advantage on a good day but he'll always be the heavy underdog against any top player)

Agree? Anyone else to add?

it's a long shot but hopefully one of them will cause an upset to one of the top 3.

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 02:28 AM
Isner, Berdych and Tsonga are outside the top 20?

abraxas21
06-16-2012, 02:30 AM
Isner, Berdych and Tsonga are outside the top 20?

just fixed that. at first i was going to consider only until the QF but then choose to add other players and wrongly changed the tthread title. anyway, besides those 2 everyone else is outside the top 20

Freak3yman84
06-16-2012, 02:33 AM
If you're going to put Muller down, then I'd say Mahut is more of a threat than Muller at this point.

Mark Lenders
06-16-2012, 02:37 AM
Isner is not a threat. Low bouncing surfaces make his groundgame almost Karlovic-like.

The main threats would be:

Tsonga

Berdych

Raonic

Del Potro

Tsonga and Berdych far ahead of the others as their game is more suited for grass. If Tsonga can redline his game, he'll beat anyone for sure, his game is just huge when he does manage to play his best. Berdych can beat every member of the top 4 too, bar Nadal who's a death matchup for him. I'd consider him favorite against Murray.

Raonic, if he faces one of the top 3 seeds when the grass is still fast, or Murray: Murray's blocked returns are exactly the kind of returns Milos like to punish.

JMDP has a lot of trouble with the low bounce, so I reckon Federer and Murray would slice him to dead on this surface. He can trouble Nadal like last year though, and Djokovic too.

abraxas21
06-16-2012, 02:39 AM
If you're going to put Muller down, then I'd say Mahut is more of a threat than Muller at this point.

well, muller is higher ranked than mahut, has relatively good grass results and has tested nadal on the surface...

abraxas21
06-16-2012, 02:41 AM
Isner is not a threat. Low bouncing surfaces make his groundgame almost Karlovic-like.

The main threats would be:

Tsonga

Berdych

Raonic

Del Potro

Tsonga and Berdych far ahead of the others as their game is more suited for grass. Raonic, if he faces one of the top 3 seeds when the grass is still fast, or Murray: Murray's blocked returns are exactly the kind of returns Milos like to punish.

JMDP has a lot of trouble with the low bounce, so I reckon Federer and Murray would slice him to dead on this surface. He can trouble Nadal like last year though, and Djokovic too.

totally forgot about del potro. could be a threat, I think. will add him to the list.

i wouldn't discount isner that easily. wimbledon isn't as low bouncing as, let's say, halle.

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 02:43 AM
Del Potro on grass :haha: :superlol: He'll be lucky to make 3rd round this year.

Seriously, Tsonga and Berdych are the biggest threats to the big 3. Murray comes second. Isner/Raonic aren't good enough to upset the big 3 in best of 5 :shrug:

Mark Lenders
06-16-2012, 02:43 AM
totally forgot about del potro. could be a threat, I think.

i wouldn't discount isner that easily. wimbledon isn't as low bouncing as, let's say, halle.

Only for Nadal and Djokovic. Del Potro's movement on grass is far from ideal and he can't deal with the low bounce, expert slicers like Fed and Murray would most definitely slice him to death if they met imo.

Isner has never made past R2 in this tournament, he really doesn't do well in low-bouncing surfaces. But I guess that when you have a serve like that, you're always a threat. And yeah, the bounce isn't as low as Halle, that's for sure.

Mark Lenders
06-16-2012, 02:46 AM
Del Potro on grass :haha: :superlol: He'll be lucky to make 3rd round this year.

Seriously, Tsonga and Berdych are the biggest threats to the big 3. Murray comes second. Isner/Raonic aren't good enough to upset the big 3 in best of 5 :shrug:

He gave Nadal his toughest match en route to the final last year at Wimbledon, only tiebreaks made the difference. It was a great match, I thought.

Agree about the rest, though. Tsonga and Berdych are definitely the biggest threats to the top 3, followed by Murray.

Looner
06-16-2012, 02:48 AM
The only real threat is Raonic. The others (including hopefully Delboy who'll get his rightful #8 seed) should not be considered an exceptional threat. They are top 8 players. They should always be dangerous. Except Ferrer who I can't see doing anything significant on grass.

abraxas21
06-16-2012, 02:49 AM
when you stop down to think about this, it's actually kind of sad to realize that only a handful of players might cause upsets to the top 4.... and you need to keep a possitive attitute when thinking about it!

Looner
06-16-2012, 02:50 AM
Yup, what an era of amazing competition we are living when the 5-8 seeds are considered complete outsiders. Hilarious.

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 02:52 AM
when you stop down to think about this, it's actually kind of sad to realize that only a handful of players might cause upsets to the top 4.... and you need to keep a possitive attitute when thinking about it!

It's not sad, it indicates a strong era with dominant top players, not a mug era in the 90's/early 2000's with Johansson, Ivanisievic and Krajicek fluking slams left and right.

Freak3yman84
06-16-2012, 02:53 AM
well, muller is higher ranked than mahut, has relatively good grass results and has tested nadal on the surface...

Lest you forget Mahut beating Nadal in Queen's more recently than Muller beating Nadal at Wimby! And Mahut also just beat Murray on grass. So I see no reason to place Muller as a higher threat than Mahut :shrug:

Mark Lenders
06-16-2012, 02:54 AM
Yup, what an era of amazing competition we are living when the 5-8 seeds are considered complete outsiders. Hilarious.

Court speed is the problem. Players like Tsonga or Berdych are far better than most people give them credit for, but their games simply aren't built for the slow as moleasses surfaces than currently dominate the tour. It's actually impressive that they are doing so well and are still considered threats despite this.

They'd definitely not be complete outsiders in surfaces the reward great powerful offensive shots/accurate attacking play.

abraxas21
06-16-2012, 02:56 AM
Lest you forget Mahut beating Nadal in Queen's more recently than Muller beating Nadal at Wimby! And Mahut also just beat Murray on grass. So I see no reason to place Muller as a higher threat than Mahut :shrug:

well, neither nadal or murray seem very conccerned about pre-wimby events. plus, both halle and queen's play differently to wimby... but maybe you're right. i just can't picture under any circumstance mahut producing an upset in wimbledon.

Freak3yman84
06-16-2012, 02:59 AM
well, neither nadal or murray seem very conccerned about pre-wimby events. plus, both halle and queen's play differently to wimby... but maybe you're right. i just can't picture under any circumstance mahut producing an upset in wimbledon.

Tbh it seems more likely than Muller producing an upset. Muller is way past where he was when he beat Nadal, whereas Mahut has more recently upset a top 4 player in Murray.

Looner
06-16-2012, 02:59 AM
Mark, there is hope. I just read an article (which I'm sure I've read before) from the Nadal loss thread (here (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1815724,00.html#ixzz1xtGVcSky)) which says how in the first year when the grass was changed due to the bad weather conditions serve-and-volleyers were allowed to play their game, as opposed to later on when dry conditions made the bounce higher.

This year we are seeing unprecedented rain in the UK (rainiest April for 100 years...) and it's still very bad as you can see by what is happening in Queen's. So if it rains, that might help the attackers even if the grass is stupidly slow. I sure hope so.

However a consideration that has to be made is that CC has a roof. I am not sure if that stops moisture from getting in as I've heard closing the roof helps Fed. I think a major problem with the roof building was also the fact the grass would accumulate moisture. Maybe even with a roof, a rainy season is helpful for attackers. I am sure it will be on outside courts and non-CC showcourts but not sure about CC where the big guns will play most of their matches.

Let's wait and see and hope the British weather is useful for once :).

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 03:02 AM
Wimbledon 2007 was rainy as hell and Nadal still made final :wavey: Would have won too, if the organizers weren't more corrupt than USTA when they gifted Roddick his USO title :wavey:

abraxas21
06-16-2012, 03:03 AM
Tbh it seems more likely than Muller producing an upset. Muller is way past where he was when he beat Nadal, whereas Mahut has more recently upset a top 4 player in Murray.

maybe you're right and i'm selling mahut short. hell, hopefully you're right and he surpasses my expectations.

Mark Lenders
06-16-2012, 03:04 AM
Mark, there is hope. I just read an article (which I'm sure I've read before) from the Nadal loss thread (here (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1815724,00.html#ixzz1xtGVcSky)) which says how in the first year when the grass was changed due to the bad weather conditions serve-and-volleyers were allowed to play their game, as opposed to later on when dry conditions made the bounce higher.

This year we are seeing unprecedented rain in the UK (rainiest April for 100 years...) and it's still very bad as you can see by what is happening in Queen's. So if it rains, that might help the attackers even if the grass is stupidly slow. I sure hope so.

However a consideration that has to be made is that CC has a roof. I am not sure if that stops moisture from getting in as I've heard closing the roof helps Fed. I think a major problem with the roof building was also the fact the grass would accumulate moisture. Maybe even with a roof, a rainy season is helpful for attackers. I am sure it will be on outside courts and non-CC showcourts but not sure about CC where the big guns will play most of their matches.

Let's wait and see and hope the British weather is useful for once :).

Let's hope so, fingers crossed. Would be nice to have a Slam where great attacking play is rewarded over the ability to run down every ball. I'm not against it per se, just against the fact that every tournament is the same in that respect. The first week is always ok at Wimbledon, we'll have to see how it plays in the second week.

Freak3yman84
06-16-2012, 03:06 AM
maybe you're right and i'm selling mahut short. hell, hopefully you're right and he surpasses my expectations.

True dat. i'm sick of the top 3...

Chase Visa
06-16-2012, 03:06 AM
Tsonga, Berdych, Raonic.

Isner's game doesn't work well on grass, neither does the Pony. Ignored Murray as he won't meet them in the QF or earlier, although if he's fit he's obviously the biggest threat to the Top 3.

Also, Kohli beat Nadal and Mahut beat Murray at the grass warmups. Worth mentioning?

Chase Visa
06-16-2012, 03:07 AM
I hope it rains a lot too btw, it might cause more defensive players cause for grief.

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 03:09 AM
I hope it rains a lot too btw, it might cause more defensive players cause for grief.

The only grief it'll cause is for players who don't get center court every match and have to play every day.

uxyzapenje
06-16-2012, 03:11 AM
I hope Tipsarevic can make an upset. 1st i hope he will be seeded no.8, then avoid Raonic or Isner till QF, there, if he gets Murray or Novak, maybe even Fed, he could reach SF, he can be be dangerous on grass when he's on. Not so sure he can do anything to Rafa though

Freak3yman84
06-16-2012, 03:14 AM
I hope Tipsarevic can make an upset. 1st i hope he will be seeded no.8, then avoid Raonic or Isner till QF, there, if he gets Murray or Novak, maybe even Fed, he could reach SF, he can be be dangerous on grass when he's on. Not so sure he can do anything to Rafa though

That'd be cool if that happened, but his loss to Lu makes it seem like he has no chance...

uxyzapenje
06-16-2012, 03:18 AM
That'd be cool if that happened, but his loss to Lu makes it seem like he has no chance...

If you think like that, you could say Murray, Tsonga, Berdych etc. have no chance. He was a better player in that match (at least last 2 sets), dominating Lu, Lu won about 3 or 4 points on Jankos serve in last 2 sets, but started GOATing in tb. Janko doesnt care about ATP250 atm, he has a few wins and finals for the points and he wants to focus on big tournaments, he even said something like that.

Freak3yman84
06-16-2012, 03:21 AM
If you think like that, you could say Murray, Tsonga, Berdych etc. have no chance. He was a better player in that match (at least last 2 sets), dominating Lu, Lu won about 3 or 4 points on Jankos serve in last 2 sets, but started GOATing in tb. Janko doesnt care about ATP250 atm, he has a few wins and finals for the points and he wants to focus on big tournaments, he even said something like that.

Flawed logic. Tipsarevic hasn't proven himself on grass as much as Murray, Tsonga, and Berdych have. Plus a loss to Lu, and his chances are looking very very very slim. And a loss is a loss, there really isn't an excuse for Tipsarevic to lose to Lu...

Mark Lenders
06-16-2012, 03:22 AM
Tsonga, Berdych, Raonic.

Isner's game doesn't work well on grass, neither does the Pony. Ignored Murray as he won't meet them in the QF or earlier, although if he's fit he's obviously the biggest threat to the Top 3.

Also, Kohli beat Nadal and Mahut beat Murray at the grass warmups. Worth mentioning?

No. He isn't. The last time Murray beat a top 3 player at a Slam was AO 2010 vs Nadal, who gave up due to injury.

In that period, Tsonga has two wins over those players at Slams, just like Berdych.

In fact, Murray has only beaten a top three player twice in his career, Nadal in both cases, while Tsonga has beaten them all, and Berdych has beaten Federer and Djokovic.

More importantly, Tsonga and Berdych can take matters into their own hands, win or lose on their own terms; if they are going for their shots and not missing, they will probably win given their firepower; with Tsonga, it's almost a certainty, his game is just huge when on. Murray doesn't have the weaponry to take matters into his own hands.

Mark Lenders
06-16-2012, 03:25 AM
I hope Tipsarevic can make an upset. 1st i hope he will be seeded no.8, then avoid Raonic or Isner till QF, there, if he gets Murray or Novak, maybe even Fed, he could reach SF, he can be be dangerous on grass when he's on. Not so sure he can do anything to Rafa though

Yeah, Tipsy is a dangerous player, even if not as much as Jo and Tomas. Him, Tsonga and Berdych are very competent 5-8 seeds, will definitely test the top 4 players on this surface and force them to bring their best tennis if they want to win. I'm assuming Tipsy will get the 8th seed, although I'm not sure if it will be him or Del Potro.

To make the QF even stronger, just draw Del Potro with Ferrer in R4.

evilmindbulgaria
06-16-2012, 03:26 AM
My "dark" horses for this year's Wimbledon are Tipsarevic and Gasquet.

uxyzapenje
06-16-2012, 03:27 AM
Flawed logic. Tipsarevic hasn't proven himself on grass as much as Murray, Tsonga, and Berdych have. Plus a loss to Lu, and his chances are looking very very very slim. And a loss is a loss, there really isn't an excuse for Tipsarevic to lose to Lu...

But there is for Murray to lose to Mahut? Ofc he is not proven as Murray, Andy is just better and 'more proven' player overall, so is Tsonga and Berdych, but that doesn't mean he can't beat them in one match. It's sure not a given thing, but i hope he can do it, it's not that he has no chance, as you said

Freak3yman84
06-16-2012, 03:33 AM
But there is for Murray to lose to Mahut? Ofc he is not proved as Murray, Andy is just better and 'more proved' player overall, so is Tsonga and Berdych, but that doesn't mean he can't beat them in one match. It's sure not a given thing, but i hope he can do it, it's not that he has no chance, as you said

When did I say anything about making an excuse for Murray? I think you mean that Murray also lost to an average player just like Tipsarevic? Well that is true, but Murray has done miles more in grand slams than Tipsarevic. Tipsarevic has the game, he just lacks any mental strength to go far in a grand slam.

uxyzapenje
06-16-2012, 03:40 AM
When did I say anything about making an excuse for Murray? I think you mean that Murray also lost to an average player just like Tipsarevic? Well that is true, but Murray has done miles more in grand slams than Tipsarevic. Tipsarevic has the game, he just lacks any mental strength to go far in a grand slam.

He doesn't lack mental strenght, he is mentaly stronger than Murray, but Murray is just overall better player so he had better results than him. As simple as that. Tipsarevic can beat any1 1 day, and go lose to some random player in the next round. He lacks consistency. He is like Tsonga in that way, just Jo is a little better player than him as well.

Mark Lenders
06-16-2012, 03:43 AM
Tipsy is a very underrated player. He definitely belongs in the top 10. He has always had tremendous talent, only his attitude has stopped him from doing better. Even in his party years, he beat Roddick twice at Slams and took Federer to 10-8 in the fifth despite being ranked very low.

He's definitely someone who shouldn't be underestimated. One of the best shotmakers on tour, especially off the backhand wing.

Freak3yman84
06-16-2012, 03:46 AM
He doesn't lack mental strenght, he is mentaly stronger than Murray, but Murray is just overall better player so he had better results than him. As simple as that. Tipsarevic can beat any1 1 day, and go lose to some random player in the next round. He lacks consistency. He is like Tsonga in that way, just Jo is a little better player than him as well.

He does lack mentality in a sense though. He can get very negative. I agree on the consistency part though. Tipsarevic has only made 1 grand slam QUARTER-FINAL in his career! So I don't see a reason to believe he can do anything at Wimbdy, especially since the best he has done at Wimby is the 4th round ONCE.

Caesar1844
06-16-2012, 03:52 AM
It's all because of surface homogenisation. Back in the day, at every Slam the surface would bring some of the top players down and elevate some of the better specialists. Would really mix things up because you would have matchups with a lower ranked player favoured to beat a higher ranked player because of the surface, but the result would still be up in the air because the higher player was still quality and was still capable of beating anyone on a good day (e.g. Becker and Sampras at the FO were never serious favourites, but you knew they still had the ability to beat anyone in the field).

Nowadays the surface doesn't hand anyone a really strong advantage so the best players just dominate everywhere. I feel sorry for kids who don't know what it's like to have a top 15 who are all a decent chance at a GS SF at some stage during the year.

heya
06-16-2012, 03:56 AM
fed can retire for the freaky gloryhunters and return in 10 yrs. to beat djoker

uxyzapenje
06-16-2012, 03:57 AM
He does lack mentality in a sense though. He can get very negative. I agree on the consistency part though. Tipsarevic has only made 1 grand slam QUARTER-FINAL in his career! So I don't see a reason to believe he can do anything at Wimbdy, especially since the best he has done at Wimby is the 4th round ONCE.

You are now being stubbern and saying 1 thing over and over again. No1 said he HAD great results, I'm saying he CAN make great results. Talentwaise, he is TOP15 of acitve players for sure (counting players like Nlabanidan, well passed their peak) but until last year he was acting like a clown, patrying, didn't train well, gained weight often... Now he realised he isn't that young anymore, so he is trying his best now. And he is not negative and doesn't lack shit, he has self-belief more that any1 out of the very best players. He allways think that he can beat any1, hes not like Ferrer. If h is given a chance to take out some of the big guns, he will.

uxyzapenje
06-16-2012, 03:58 AM
Tipsy is a very underrated player. He definitely belongs in the top 10. He has always had tremendous talent, only his attitude has stopped him from doing better. Even in his party years, he beat Roddick twice at Slams and took Federer to 10-8 in the fifth despite being ranked very low.

He's definitely someone who shouldn't be underestimated. One of the best shotmakers on tour, especially off the backhand wing.

+1

Freak3yman84
06-16-2012, 04:02 AM
You are now being stubbern and saying 1 thing over and over again. No1 said he HAD great results, I'm saying he CAN make great results. Talentwaise, he is TOP15 of acitve players for sure (counting players like Nlabanidan, well passed their peak) but until last year he was acting like a clown, patrying, didn't train well, gained weight often... Now he realised he isn't that young anymore, so he is trying his best now. And he is not negative and doesn't lack shit, he has self-belief more that any1 out of the very best players. He allways think that he can beat any1, hes not like Ferrer. If h is given a chance to take out some of the big guns, he will.

You're right, he isn't like Ferrer. Tipsarevic would be lucky as hell if he had the drive and passion of Ferrer. Tipsarevic cannot be taken seriously, he won his 1st title last year! He lacks any sort of mental strength, and I don't see where dafuq you're coming up with 'he always thinks he can beat anyone' bullshit.

uxyzapenje
06-16-2012, 04:09 AM
You're right, he isn't like Ferrer. Tipsarevic would be lucky as hell if he had the drive and passion of Ferrer. Tipsarevic cannot be taken seriously, he won his 1st title last year! He lacks any sort of mental strength, and I don't see where dafuq you're coming up with 'he always thinks he can beat anyone' bullshit.

Are you Fing kiddig me? It's like I am talking to some1 who didn't ever watch tennis, just saw the rankings table. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz-QcFsHbK8&feature=related look at 2:06 when they ask them 'who is gonna win' and all the gys are like 'i don't know, any1 can, hopefully me, best1 wins' and Ferrer says 'Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal'. It's like saying 'If some1 thinks iw ill win, I'M NOT!'. Then remember that before the match against Rafa in RG he said 'I can win a set maybe if I play my very best'. Tipsarevic allways said I CAN BEAT ANY1 ON MY BEST DAY. Even when he was no50 in the world. Then watch this, he is saying 'Why is Novak better than me? If he can be no3. I can be at least no10'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TMG0g0Zk6g
You better be trolling me :stupid:

Freak3yman84
06-16-2012, 04:15 AM
Are you Fing kiddig me? It's like I am talking to some1 who didn't ever watch tennis, just saw the rankings table. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz-QcFsHbK8&feature=related look at 2:06 when they ask them 'who is gonna win' and all the gys are like 'i don't know, any1 can, hopefully me, best1 wins' and Ferrer says 'Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal'. It's like saying 'If some1 thinks iw ill win, I'M NOT!'. Then remember that before the match against Rafa in RG he said 'I can win a set maybe if I play my very best'. Tipsarevic allways said I CAN BEAT ANY1 ON MY BEST DAY. Even when he was no50 in the world. Then watch this, he is saying 'Why is Novak better than me? If he can be no3. I can be at least no10'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TMG0g0Zk6g
You better be trolling me :stupid:

Anybody can act like that off the court, but what actually matters is how they act on the court. What I was talking about if Ferrer's superior mentality to Tipsarevic's ON THE COURT! Tipsarevic gets so low on himself(perfect example is 2011 Australian Open where he stopped trying in the 5th set against Verdasco). When have you seen Ferrer not give it his all? No matter who he plays Ferrer always plays with belief unlike Tipsarevic who loses belief against a total mug like Verdasco.

heya
06-16-2012, 04:28 AM
roddick barely got by 1st rounds with his bone crushing serve and his heavy body weight-dependent forehand saved him against slow servers. by 2004, his poor fitness and predictable serve
were old news for good players. he had no business being in the top 20 in 2006 because he tried to bring in any coach, he crashed out of 1st round us open, needed luck for davis cup and choked 3 match points at legg mason.
a number 2 player shouldn't tremble at small tournaments when guys ranked 10-30 still beat top 3 players

out_here_grindin
06-16-2012, 04:38 AM
Tipsy is a very underrated player. He definitely belongs in the top 10. He has always had tremendous talent, only his attitude has stopped him from doing better. Even in his party years, he beat Roddick twice at Slams and took Federer to 10-8 in the fifth despite being ranked very low.

He's definitely someone who shouldn't be underestimated. One of the best shotmakers on tour, especially off the backhand wing.

and it was evident that he had the potential because he always brought his best vs the best guys.

bouncer7
06-16-2012, 04:39 AM
Fedtards and their top 3 thing.
There is a reason why slamless players are seeds 3 and 4.

ossie
06-16-2012, 10:11 AM
tsonga and delpo are clear cut favourites, not just mere threats to the top 3.

cocrcici
06-16-2012, 10:44 AM
Dimitrov,Tomic

Fireballer
06-16-2012, 10:44 AM
Only for Nadal and Djokovic. Del Potro's movement on grass is far from ideal and he can't deal with the low bounce, expert slicers like Fed and Murray would most definitely slice him to death if they met imo.

Isner has never made past R2 in this tournament, he really doesn't do well in low-bouncing surfaces. But I guess that when you have a serve like that, you're always a threat. And yeah, the bounce isn't as low as Halle, that's for sure.

:facepalm:

Delpo against Djoker is going home in 3 sets 4 if Djoker is lazy

Fireballer
06-16-2012, 10:45 AM
tsonga and delpo are clear cut favourites, not just mere threats to the top 3.

you mean favorites to go home before QF?

TigerTim
06-16-2012, 10:50 AM
tsonga and delpo are clear cut favourites, not just mere threats to the top 3.

sweet Jesus :facepalm:

Kevin Anderson looked solid at Queens, though he may be seeded, Fit Dave looked decent, Kholi lacks the weapons imo, and Nadal tanked. Milos lacks a ground game to compete, Isner is off form. Tsonga and Delpo can clearly give the top 3 a scare, Murray also is not to bad on the grass at Wimbledon, Berdshit needs to get his act together to be in with a shout. Dodig has balls of steel but perhaps limited, Querrey has a strong game, don't know about his mentality though. Roddick his hopeless, Tipsy I don't know enough about on grass, he lost to Lu which isn't a great sign, tbf so did all the other seeds at Queens losing to lowly players. Mahut's game suits faster grass, Lu himself got injured and can he last physically? Haas may have one last big game in him, who knows? Thats all I an think off the top of my head :)

EddieNero
06-16-2012, 10:53 AM
Raonic is overrated on grass. When his serve stops clicking he becomes completely useless in rallies, struggles with movement big time and low bounce gives him a lot of trouble.

TigerTim
06-16-2012, 10:57 AM
Raonic is overrated on grass. When his serve stops clicking he becomes completely useless in rallies, struggles with movement big time and low bounce gives him a lot of trouble.

agreed, although ironically the slower grass of Wimbledon may help him. His ground game was too slow at Halle, clearly in the 1990s he would have been beaten but he still has good chances in the future at Wimbledon

duong
06-16-2012, 12:00 PM
in first week many many players

Chase Visa
06-16-2012, 12:09 PM
you mean favorites to go home before QF?

You're responding to the Delpotard. Don't bother speaking rational arguments to him.

dencod16
06-16-2012, 12:13 PM
i dont think Del Potro is a much threat on grass. Same with Isner. I think the likes of Haas and Dimitrov can be. I think if Roddick will be a threat it will be down to his performance on Eastbourne.

TBkeeper
06-16-2012, 12:15 PM
I would've been outrageously funny if Davydenko spank Nadal ON GRASS at wimbly this year :D:D:D

Hypnotize
06-16-2012, 12:37 PM
Haas and Dimitrov have looked very good on grass this week. Both have games made for grass and are capable of causing an upset in the first week of Wimbledon.

samanosuke
06-16-2012, 01:34 PM
You mean to give problem to Nole and Fed. Nadal by default can't get this guys