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Halle Tennis Tournament: the pearl of the ATP tour?

abraxas21
06-16-2012, 12:11 AM
Don't believe me? Ask yourself these questions below:

Four talented players are in the SF of an ATP tournament. When was the last time that happened?

Four players with a single handed backhand are in the SF of an ATP tournament. Whn was the last time that happened?

The tournament actually rewards attacking tennis. When was the last time we saw a tournament like that?

The grass almost plays like classic Wimbledon grass. Have you forgotten how that was?

Lugburz
06-16-2012, 12:14 AM
Halle has always been one of my favorite tours, not including GS's, definitely in top 3.

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 12:14 AM
It's the only real grass tournament left :sad:

Lugburz
06-16-2012, 12:15 AM
It's the only real grass tournament left :sad:

Nahh Newport is awesome as well, lot of history in it but sadly not so popular :rolleyes:

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 12:16 AM
yeah Newport Challenger plays pretty good. They should host Wimbledon there

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 12:18 AM
mug event only olderer cares about. Old mug Haas and journeyman Mugschreiber in SF prettymuch tells the whole story

viruzzz
06-16-2012, 12:20 AM
I always loved Halle.
It's one of my top 5 fav tournaments.

Jamoz
06-16-2012, 12:21 AM
mug event only olderer cares about. Old mug Haas and journeyman Mugschreiber in SF prettymuch tells the whole story

****s like you everything but clay+that sweaty shithead is a mug event.

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 12:22 AM
mug event only olderer cares about. Old mug Haas and journeyman Mugschreiber in SF prettymuch tells the whole story

It's ok, Nadal might get a street named after him sometime:hug:

Maybe after they change this to the Roger Federer open of Halle, Roger will no longer need the street and being the generous soul he is might give his street to Rafa:D

Johnny Groove
06-16-2012, 12:23 AM
Don't believe me? Ask yourself these questions below:

Four talented players are in the SF of an ATP tournament. When was the last time that happened?

Four players with a single handed backhand are in the SF of an ATP tournament. Whn was the last time that happened?

The tournament actually rewards attacking tennis. When was the last time we saw a tournament like that?

The grass almost plays like classic Wimbledon grass. Have you forgotten how that was?

So Youzhny making Halle SF = talented player.

But Youzhny making SF of USO 2010 = mug era?

abraxas21
06-16-2012, 12:25 AM
So Youzhny making Halle SF = talented player.

But Youzhny making SF of USO 2010 = mug era?

huh? youzhny has always been a talented player and this has always been a mug era. there's no contradiction between the two.

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 12:25 AM
So Youzhny making Halle SF = talented player.

But Youzhny making SF of USO 2010 = mug era?

clearly Halle > US Open, have you read the thread? ;)

evilmindbulgaria
06-16-2012, 12:26 AM
Wow, it is a sad day in MTF when that Glenn Mirnyi-wannabe starts opening threads :confused:

hipolymer
06-16-2012, 12:27 AM
So Youzhny making Halle SF = talented player.

But Youzhny making SF of USO 2010 = mug era?

No. Youzhny losing to Nadal on a hard court = mug era

motorhead
06-16-2012, 12:28 AM
far from fast but certainly better than wimby

abraxas21
06-16-2012, 12:29 AM
these nadal and djokovic fans are rather strange. they constantly accuse me of being "too negative" and shout that "i criticize everything" but when i start a positive thread to praise something that's good, they still attack me. :shrug:

Lugburz
06-16-2012, 12:31 AM
far from fast but certainly better than wimby

far from fast? You do know Halle is along Newport the fastest court there is?

Jamoz
06-16-2012, 12:31 AM
these nadal and djokovic fans are rather strange. they constantly accuse me of being "too negative" and shout that "i criticize everything" but when i start a positive thread to praise something that's good, they still attack me. :shrug:

All fans are shitheads my friend, no matter who their "god" is. Just ignore those ****s. Enjoy the tennis but worship no one.

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 12:32 AM
far from fast? You do know Halle is along Newport the fastest court there is?

you forgot about Madrid, now that's an awesome court. Can we give Tiriac Nadal's spot as the VP of the player council?

Lugburz
06-16-2012, 12:33 AM
these nadal and djokovic fans are rather strange. they constantly accuse me of being "too negative" and shout that "i criticize everything" but when i start a positive thread to praise something that's good, they still attack me. :shrug:

just ignore them, they are always paranoid when there are actually threads not involving 'top guns'....

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 12:47 AM
Love how clowns label mugs like haas and youzhless 'talented' when they can't even make one slam final :superlol:

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 12:48 AM
who cares about slams when there are all these prestigious MM titles to be had?

leng jai
06-16-2012, 12:51 AM
Love how clowns label mugs like haas and youzhless 'talented' when they can't even make one slam final :superlol:

Talent is measured by how many hands are required for your backhand. 1 = GOAT. 2 = LOL.

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 12:54 AM
wrong, 0 = GOAT, 1 = MUG, 2 = LOL, 3 = Another GOAT

misty1
06-16-2012, 12:58 AM
Love how clowns label mugs like haas and youzhless 'talented' when they can't even make one slam final :superlol:

not every player on the tour that you dont like is a mug. I know its hard but you could try showing player not named nadal some respect

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 12:58 AM
Talent is measured by how many hands are required for your backhand. 1 = GOAT. 2 = LOL.

How about an actual argument that doesn't make you look like a clueless fanboi?

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 12:59 AM
these nadal and djokovic fans are rather strange. they constantly accuse me of being "too negative" and shout that "i criticize everything" but when i start a positive thread to praise something that's good, they still attack me. :shrug:

Nice try. This topic = trolling to the extreme. First you claim a 250 MM tournament is "the pearl of ATP tour". Next you claim Haas and Youzhny are talented.

You post pure flamebait and then act all innocent when people call you out on your typical bullshit :rolleyes:

leng jai
06-16-2012, 01:00 AM
I don't have anything to retort your amazing argument in the first place. Plus I am pretty sure we've "discussed" this topic 68 times previously.

Lugburz
06-16-2012, 01:03 AM
How about an actual argument that doesn't make you look like a clueless fanboi?

wait, so you think your argument that player needs at least 1 GS final to be regarded as talented, is actual?
Its like, you can't say that the movie was good, because it didn't get any oscar.

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 01:04 AM
they should get rid of slams, that way every player in the future can be a slamless mug

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 01:05 AM
wait, so you think your argument that player needs at least 1 GS final to be regarded as talented, is actual?
Its like, you can't say that the movie was good, because it didn't get any oscar.

If you have talent, you'll back it up by winning a slam at least. All these "talents" like Haas, Rios, Nalbandian, Gasquet etc were/are vastly overrated by a few very vocal fanbois. There is a very good reason why very few players win slams and even fewer win multiple slams.

Lugburz
06-16-2012, 01:09 AM
If you have talent, you'll back it up by winning a slam at least. All these "talents" like Haas, Rios, Nalbandian, Gasquet etc were/are vastly overrated by a few very vocal fanbois. There is a very good reason why very few players win slams and even fewer win multiple slams.

Haas has vocal fanbois? :haha:

Name any other thread including his name except for already played matches and 'www' threads....
Jeez you can't be serious...

abraxas21
06-16-2012, 01:10 AM
If you have talent, you'll back it up by winning a slam at least. All these "talents" like Haas, Rios, Nalbandian, Gasquet etc were/are vastly overrated by a few very vocal fanbois. There is a very good reason why very few players win slams and even fewer win multiple slams.

:facepalm:

it doesn't even warrant a discussion. you'll just don't get it

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 01:13 AM
:facepalm:

it doesn't even warrant a discussion. you'll just don't get it

What don't I get? That it's fair to expect a player who is supposedly talented to prove it on the big stage?

You think Federer is talented, right? He has 16 slams. Fair enough?

You think Nadal is moonballing pusher and he has 11 slams....doesn't make sense, IMO.

But multiple talented players you always flap your gums about had mediocre careers. Why? Perhaps their talent is not as great as you claim to be?

Mark Lenders
06-16-2012, 01:17 AM
Talent and results are not directly related.

If Federer had never touched a tennis racket in his life, his talent would still be the same,

Talent makes it easier to achieve results, but it's not enough. There have been plenty of cases of less talented shotmakers having brilliant careers on the basis of hardwork and determinations and supremely talented ones underachieving.

Caesar1844
06-16-2012, 01:22 AM
I like that Halle hasn't been dominated by all-serve players. That is usually the big criticism of fast grass.

It does seem like they have got the balance right... fast/low enough to be a distinct surface, but not so much as to ruin the prospect of quality tennis. Wimbledon greenkeepers should speak to them about their blend.

Corey Feldman
06-16-2012, 02:13 AM
great tournament, always has been

one of the last pusher proof courts left in the game, then again if Nadal intends to play here every year from now on.. lets see how long before the court "gets fixed" at his majesty's request

viruzzz
06-16-2012, 02:15 AM
Yo yo yo, wazzup ma bros.
It'z Corey fookin Feldman in da house

Looner
06-16-2012, 02:33 AM
I love Halle. I have never really had the chance to watch it as I was going to school when it was on. Only now that I am at university (or was rather) can I see it properly. Great little tournament. Shame they had to go and sign RN for 3 years...

Jamoz
06-16-2012, 02:36 AM
Halle is great yep and with roof too! (if needed) Note to those stoopid frenchies.

xdrewitdajx
06-16-2012, 08:29 AM
Don't believe me? Ask yourself these questions below:

Four talented players are in the SF of an ATP tournament. When was the last time that happened?
?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


um, it happens every. single. time. Do you understand what talent is?

Hypnotize
06-16-2012, 08:36 AM
Halle will always be a poor man's Queens. Queens has more tradition, superior grass and a better crowd. Players only go to Halle for the appearance fees.

LeChuck
06-16-2012, 08:58 AM
I've always liked the look of this tournament. Queen's is a hotbed of snobbery and elitism (far worse than Wimbledon in that respect).

Halle seems to have relaxing, village-like atmosphere, representing a more charming tournament experience.

Having a retractive roof helps as well.

Mystique
06-16-2012, 09:09 AM
Always been a very nice tournament, no surprises here. The Grass there actually plays like Grass, thus the tennis treat :yeah: And the crowd and the atmosphere too are :yeah:

Kiedis
06-16-2012, 09:44 AM
Well organized, perfect timing, great crownd and facilities, nice money only for show up... yeah, I think it should grow up to become a grass master 1000 event and so many players more would take it more seriously and not as a preparation tournament.

Mateya
06-16-2012, 09:46 AM
Could be, but Umag is the diamond of ATP tour.

leng jai
06-16-2012, 09:48 AM
I heard you like Umag Mateya.

Pirata.
06-16-2012, 09:48 AM
Halle will always be a poor man's Queens. Queens has more tradition, superior grass and a better crowd. Players only go to Halle for the appearance fees.

:spit:

Hypnotize
06-16-2012, 09:57 AM
The fact that Kohli is the defending champion and he beat Petzschner in the final (both of whom went on to lose in the 1st round of Wimbledon) tells you all you need to know about Halle. Without Roger's patronage over the years, no-one would care about this tournament any more than they do about s-hertogenbosch or Eastbourne. The only grasscourt tournament that means anything other than Wimbeldon is Queens. You only have to look at the list of former Queens champions to see that.

Caesar1844
06-16-2012, 09:58 AM
Well organized, perfect timing, great crownd and facilities, nice money only for show up... yeah, I think it should grow up to become a grass master 1000 event and so many players more would take it more seriously and not as a preparation tournament.
There will never be a grass Masters because the FO and Wimbledon are too close together.

If I had my way, you would have the 4 Slams all 9-10 weeks apart, one each on fast grass, red clay, slowish hardcourt and fastish carpet. Each would be proceeded by a season of roughly equal length, with 2 Masters events on each surface. WTF surface would be on a rotating basis, to give all types of player a shot at winning it.

Would encourage players to specialise, give you a much bigger mix of contrasting styles, and result in varied lineups in the latter stages of tournaments throughout the year.

Of course, would be a nightmare for the ATP and tournament organisers who all want the same big names in the QFs onwards to help ticket sales. But I can dream.

Action Jackson
06-16-2012, 10:01 AM
People never learn when Topspindoc says something, the opposite is true 98 times out of 100. Plus he throws the same trolling bait out and always catches the fish.

Halle and Queens are good events in their own ways.

Kiedis
06-16-2012, 10:06 AM
There will never be a grass Masters because the FO and Wimbledon are too close together.

If I had my way, you would have the 4 Slams all 9-10 weeks apart, one each on fast grass, red clay, slowish hardcourt and fastish carpet. Each would be proceeded by a season of roughly equal length, with 2 Masters events on each surface. WTF surface would be on a rotating basis, to give all types of player a shot at winning it.

Would encourage players to specialise, give you a much bigger mix of contrasting styles, and result in varied lineups in the latter stages of tournaments throughout the year.

Of course, would be a nightmare for the ATP and tournament organisers who all want the same big names in the QFs onwards to help ticket sales. But I can dream.

Yeah, it make perfect sense, but excessive power of the grand slams and tradition will not allow it.

Yves.
06-16-2012, 10:09 AM
It's the only real grass tournament left :sad:

Isn't Queen's the same grass?

LeChuck
06-16-2012, 10:14 AM
One advantage of Queen's is the conditioning of the grass courts there. They are extremely well looked after and maintained.

When the Halle tournament first started in 1993 it was held on the week before Wimbledon. Then in 1997 it swapped slots with Rosmalen and the Queen's organisers were scared of the competition with Halle's facilities and retractable roof. At the time the DTB was the most powerful national tennis federation in the world and there were so many successful German tournaments all over the tour calendar.

I remember the director of Queen's bitching endlessly when Sampras opted to play at Halle instead of Queen's in 2002.

It was hilarious when there were clay court tournaments in between RG and Wimbledon. I remember the likes of Muster and Mantilla feasting on those.

delboy
06-16-2012, 10:17 AM
Is the grass at Queens faster than Halle? I know it's faster than Wimbledon.

Anyway Queens is better.

TigerTim
06-16-2012, 10:24 AM
Queens is just as quick imo :shrug: and better, Halle is just rich. Does that not mean Halle is an example of everything wrong with tennis? Rich superstars getting their paycheck for doing shit all while the wealthy germans view tennis as their continent burns in economic misery. Halle - :o

what do Eastbourne and the one in the Netherlands play like?

masterclass
06-16-2012, 10:28 AM
Halle - Gerry Weber Stadion - membrane retractable roof closes in 88 seconds:
http://www.if-group.de/fileadmin/redakteur/Imagemaps/Membrane/Stadiums/Stadium-Gerry-Weber/Stadium-Gerry-Weber-Halle.JPG

London - Queen's Club - Day 1 rained out - Attendance = 5,
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/gallery_images/photos/000/917/368/GYI0065038040_crop_450x500.jpg?1307362280

Queen's Club Thursday, more rain, play suspended
http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/p/sp/ap/6c/fullj.6f029d09caa16ca615167a689ec48119/ap-201206141249461727706.jpg

Queen's Club Friday more rain delays, players play 2 matches/day
http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/p/sp/ap/33/fullj.fd7b5b91b127abd796d2a06f6ba4fb97/ap-201206150612223482031.jpg

Respectful suggestion to other venues with stadium courts (especially Roland Garros and the US Open):

If not already underway, please investigate creative membrane roofing solutions:

Gerry Weber Stadion information (http://www.tensinet.com/database/viewProject/3939)
Other venues with innovative designs (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9783433600269.oth1/pdf)

More about the Halle tournament's history and progress (http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/DEUCE-Tennis/DEUCE-Roland-Garros-Wimbledon-2012/Halle-20th-Anniversary.aspx)

Respectfully,
masterclass

Looner
06-16-2012, 10:29 AM
Queen's is not better. For one they are not willing to build a roof. Their grasscourts are probably nicer looking but that doesn't count for anything when you can't watch because of rain.

TigerTim
06-16-2012, 10:33 AM
Queen's is not better. For one they are not willing to build a roof. Their grasscourts are probably nicer looking but that doesn't count for anything when you can't watch because of rain.

the hint is in the name Looner. Queens is first and foremost a club, the stands are temporarily in place for the event, it isn't a stadium as such and so there is no chance for a roof. Queens being a club is part of what makes it unique.

EddieNero
06-16-2012, 10:34 AM
Once Nadal decides to win Halle Uncle Toni will pull the strings and make it slower than Micky Carlo.
The same thing happened to Wimbledon.

Looner
06-16-2012, 10:37 AM
the hint is in the name Looner. Queens is first and foremost a club, the stands are temporarily in place for the event, it isn't a stadium as such and so there is no chance for a roof. Queens being a club is part of what makes it unique.

Unique=/=better. I wonder if you were one of the many crucifying RG for their lack of lights and roof. If you were, I wonder why this doesn't make Halle a better tournament. Venue and tradition is not all that matters.

TigerTim
06-16-2012, 10:44 AM
Unique=/=better. I wonder if you were one of the many crucifying RG for their lack of lights and roof. If you were, I wonder why this doesn't make Halle a better tournament. Venue and tradition is not all that matters.

For RG there would be no sacrifice for tradition if they add lights and a roof, furthermore they are a grand slam tourney, Queens is a 250, much higher standards should be expected of a competition giving out 8 times as many points and being the pinnacle of the 2nd most important surface in the sport.

I see the USO has declined to put a roof on their two new stadiums planned for 2017 :o, the French Open must not follow suite.

Hypnotize
06-16-2012, 10:46 AM
Since when does having a roof make a tournament better that it's competitors? It's nice if you can maintain play while it is raining but it's the standard of tennis that is most important and Halle comes up short on that every year. The only tournaments that need a roof are the GSs due to the large number of matches and international TV rights. A 250 event can survive perfectly well without one.

Looner
06-16-2012, 10:50 AM
Since when does having a roof make a tournament better that it's competitors? It's nice if you can maintain play while it is raining but it's the standard of tennis that is most important and Halle comes up short on that every year. The only tournaments that need a roof are the GSs due to the large number of matches and international TV rights. A 250 event can survive perfectly well without one.

And you know this how? How exactly do you compare the standard at Halle with Queen's over a number of years? Or is it just your opinion?

Halle is better organised since it has a roof (helps a lot) and has the top players currently notwithstanding the factors that made them come there.

Wishful thinking does not make a tournament better.

shadows
06-16-2012, 10:59 AM
Halle is the best candidate for a 500 or something on grass.

I really think they should campaign for it, the facilities are great and the tournament is always well attended (both by players and fans)

TigerTim
06-16-2012, 11:16 AM
Halle is the best candidate for a 500 or something on grass.

I really think they should campaign for it, the facilities are great and the tournament is always well attended (both by players and fans)

No point. They would have to pay more to the ATP, Halle has the players and sponsors and crowds as it is. They almost have the facilities for a Masters Series if they add another smaller court!

Caesar1844
06-16-2012, 11:18 AM
Yeah. If you're a warmup event for a Grand Slam, you don't really need to be any more than a 250 because plenty of good players will come just for the match practice. You can use some of the money you save to pay hefty appearance fees to a couple of stars to ensure they pick you over one of the other warmups.

Looner
06-16-2012, 11:18 AM
The problem with grass having a shorter period is not the number of tournaments as they have enough to spread them out over at least a month. The problem is the British and the French who cannot seem to come to a compromise. Move Wimbledon one week back, move the French one week ahead and you have 4 weeks for grass.

This will bring more revenue to the UK as well because of the many grass tournaments. The UK should take the lead on it really as it stands to profit. I know it won't happen though :(.

Hypnotize
06-16-2012, 11:21 AM
And you know this how? How exactly do you compare the standard at Halle with Queen's over a number of years? Or is it just your opinion?

Halle is better organised since it has a roof (helps a lot) and has the top players currently notwithstanding the factors that made them come there.

Wishful thinking does not make a tournament better.
Here is the list of former champions at Halle. Apart from Fed and Stich, it's not so much a Who's Who as a WTF. Kafelnikov won it 3 times but only reached the second week of Wimbledon twice in his career. Prinosil and Kulti speak for themselves.

Philipp Kohlschreiber
Lleyton Hewitt
Tommy Haas
Roger Federer
TomᚠBerdych
Roger Federer
Roger Federer
Roger Federer
Roger Federer
Yevgeny Kafelnikov
Thomas Johansson
David Prinosil
Nicolas Kiefer
Yevgeny Kafelnikov
Yevgeny Kafelnikov
Nicklas Kulti
Marc Rosset
Michael Stich
Henri Leconte

Caesar1844
06-16-2012, 11:28 AM
The European clay court season is way too long. Two months leading into the FO, then basically another month after Wimbledon. Then two months of North American hardcourts. It's just unnecessary, shame it's so lucrative.

If the LTAA wanted to extend the grass season they don't even need to get the FO on board. In non-Olympic years you could probably push Wimbledon back 2 weeks if you wanted to, and it wouldn't really screw up too many people's schedules. Well, except the dirtballers and the Yanks who want to go home for a holiday before their USO campaign.

EDIT: Just realised that would give people only a week off between Wimbledon and then Canada/Cincy back to back. Probably not feasible... you'd have to get the Yanks to move those tournaments.

Corey Feldman
06-16-2012, 11:30 AM
should defo make this a Mercedes Super Nine 1000

dump Monte Carlo

Allez
06-16-2012, 11:34 AM
Here is the list of former champions at Halle. Apart from Fed and Stich, it's not so much a Who's Who as a WTF. Kafelnikov won it 3 times but only reached the second week of Wimbledon twice in his career. Prinosil and Kulti speak for themselves.

Philipp Kohlschreiber
Lleyton Hewitt
Tommy Haas
Roger Federer
TomᚠBerdych
Roger Federer
Roger Federer
Roger Federer
Roger Federer
Yevgeny Kafelnikov
Thomas Johansson
David Prinosil
Nicolas Kiefer
Yevgeny Kafelnikov
Yevgeny Kafelnikov
Nicklas Kulti
Marc Rosset
Michael Stich
Henri Leconte

Where are the grass all time greats on this list (apart from Fed) ? Why did they routinely skip it :shrug: Can't be that prestigious a tournament by the looks of it :p

TigerTim
06-16-2012, 11:38 AM
they should dump Paris, what is the point of that? If they want to keep that Masters at least make it carpet again.

Queens owns Halle btw :p

1988 Boris Becker Stefan Edberg 6–1, 3–6, 6–3
1989 Ivan Lendl Christo van Rensburg 4–6, 6–3, 6–4
1990 Ivan Lendl Boris Becker 6–3, 6–2
1991 Stefan Edberg David Wheaton 6–2, 6–3
1992 Wayne Ferreira Shuzo Matsuoka 6–3, 6–4
1993 Michael Stich Wayne Ferreira 6–3, 6–4
1994 Todd Martin Pete Sampras 7–6(7–4), 7–6(7–4)
1995 Pete Sampras Guy Forget 7–6(7–3), 7–6(8–6)
1996 Boris Becker Stefan Edberg 6–4, 7–6(7–3)
1997 Mark Philippoussis Goran Ivanišević 7–5, 6–3
1998 Scott Draper Laurence Tieleman 7–6(7–5), 6–4
1999 Pete Sampras Tim Henman 6–7(1–7), 6–4, 7–6(7–4)
2000 Lleyton Hewitt Pete Sampras 6–4, 6–4
2001 Lleyton Hewitt Tim Henman 7–6(7–3), 7–6(7–3)
2002 Lleyton Hewitt Tim Henman 4–6, 6–1, 6–4
2003 Andy Roddick Sιbastien Grosjean 6–3, 6–3
2004 Andy Roddick Sιbastien Grosjean 7–6(7–4), 6–4
2005 Andy Roddick Ivo Karlović 7–6(9–7), 7–6(7–4)
2006 Lleyton Hewitt James Blake 6–4, 6–4
2007 Andy Roddick Nicolas Mahut 4–6, 7–6(9–7), 7–6(7–2)
2008 Rafael Nadal Novak Djokovic 7–6(8–6), 7–5
2009 Andy Murray James Blake 7–5, 6–4
2010 Sam Querrey Mardy Fish 7–6(7–3), 7–5
2011 Andy Murray Jo-Wilfried Tsonga 3–6, 7–6(7–2), 6–4

Sri
06-16-2012, 11:42 AM
mug event only olderer cares about. Old mug Haas and journeyman Mugschreiber in SF prettymuch tells the whole story

No wonder Nadal cancels his usual event and comes to Halle, despite a Monday final at Roland Garros. :rolleyes:

nalbyfan
06-16-2012, 11:44 AM
Halle is not a pearl, just another 250 like others, nothning special in it

Allez
06-16-2012, 11:45 AM
they should dump Paris, what is the point of that? If they want to keep that Masters at least make it carpet again.

Queens owns Halle btw :p

1988 Boris Becker Stefan Edberg 6–1, 3–6, 6–3
1989 Ivan Lendl Christo van Rensburg 4–6, 6–3, 6–4
1990 Ivan Lendl Boris Becker 6–3, 6–2
1991 Stefan Edberg David Wheaton 6–2, 6–3
1992 Wayne Ferreira Shuzo Matsuoka 6–3, 6–4
1993 Michael Stich Wayne Ferreira 6–3, 6–4
1994 Todd Martin Pete Sampras 7–6(7–4), 7–6(7–4)
1995 Pete Sampras Guy Forget 7–6(7–3), 7–6(8–6)
1996 Boris Becker Stefan Edberg 6–4, 7–6(7–3)
1997 Mark Philippoussis Goran Ivanišević 7–5, 6–3
1998 Scott Draper Laurence Tieleman 7–6(7–5), 6–4
1999 Pete Sampras Tim Henman 6–7(1–7), 6–4, 7–6(7–4)
2000 Lleyton Hewitt Pete Sampras 6–4, 6–4
2001 Lleyton Hewitt Tim Henman 7–6(7–3), 7–6(7–3)
2002 Lleyton Hewitt Tim Henman 4–6, 6–1, 6–4
2003 Andy Roddick Sιbastien Grosjean 6–3, 6–3
2004 Andy Roddick Sιbastien Grosjean 7–6(7–4), 6–4
2005 Andy Roddick Ivo Karlović 7–6(9–7), 7–6(7–4)
2006 Lleyton Hewitt James Blake 6–4, 6–4
2007 Andy Roddick Nicolas Mahut 4–6, 7–6(9–7), 7–6(7–2)
2008 Rafael Nadal Novak Djokovic 7–6(8–6), 7–5
2009 Andy Murray James Blake 7–5, 6–4
2010 Sam Querrey Mardy Fish 7–6(7–3), 7–5
2011 Andy Murray Jo-Wilfried Tsonga 3–6, 7–6(7–2), 6–4

Wow!

Queens >>>>>> Halle. Rafa needs to come back home next year. This years Queens draw was rubbish.

TigerTim
06-16-2012, 11:46 AM
The European clay court season is way too long. Two months leading into the FO, then basically another month after Wimbledon. Then two months of North American hardcourts. It's just unnecessary, shame it's so lucrative.

If the LTAA wanted to extend the grass season they don't even need to get the FO on board. In non-Olympic years you could probably push Wimbledon back 2 weeks if you wanted to, and it wouldn't really screw up too many people's schedules. Well, except the dirtballers and the Yanks who want to go home for a holiday before their USO campaign.

EDIT: Just realised that would give people only a week off between Wimbledon and then Canada/Cincy back to back. Probably not feasible... you'd have to get the Yanks to move those tournaments.

Fuck the yanks! You are a player and you have a choice; Wimbledon and skip a Master 1000, and thats if you progress past R4, because your are tired, or miss Wimbledon for the famed Canada Masters, the Yanks would be FORCED to move back their own tourneys if the want players :devil:

Wimbledon>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Masters/everything really (;))

MaxPower
06-16-2012, 11:51 AM
Halle has done well this year using a ton of $$$$ to steal the top guys from Queens.

But the true jewel among the 250s is Stockholm Open. It's list of former winners is very impressive. Includes past legends like Borg, McEnroe, Wilander, Lendl, Edberg, Becker mixed with some current top players like Federer, Nalbandian, Monfils. Such a nice history for a very small tournament where the stands also are temporary, like in Queens. It's indoor hc though

nole_no1
06-16-2012, 11:54 AM
Don't believe me? Ask yourself these questions below:

Four talented players are in the SF of an ATP tournament. When was the last time that happened?

Four players with a single handed backhand are in the SF of an ATP tournament. Whn was the last time that happened?

The tournament actually rewards attacking tennis. When was the last time we saw a tournament like that?

The grass almost plays like classic Wimbledon grass. Have you forgotten how that was?

You're overreacting here. You can't say that the players who reach SF in Grand Slams are not talented for example
But yes all of them with one handed backhand... i don't know when was the last time this happened.
All in all the fact is this is one of my favourite non grand slam weeks with Halle and Queens and i like watching all the four players qualified for the SF :yeah: Usually i like Queens more but this year Halle was better

misty1
06-16-2012, 12:00 PM
i'd like to know what exactly the past winners of an event has to do with how good its supposed to be. That really doesnt prove anything to me

Steelq
06-16-2012, 12:12 PM
Don't believe me? Ask yourself these questions below:

Four talented players are in the SF of an ATP tournament. When was the last time that happened?

Four players with a single handed backhand are in the SF of an ATP tournament. Whn was the last time that happened?

The tournament actually rewards attacking tennis. When was the last time we saw a tournament like that?

The grass almost plays like classic Wimbledon grass. Have you forgotten how that was?

Just every single time since 1972.