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Halle QF: Kohli def. Nadal 6-3 6-4

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Federer in 2
06-15-2012, 06:46 PM
Tank huh?

Smoke944
06-15-2012, 06:47 PM
Better player won, duh :p

viruzzz
06-15-2012, 06:47 PM
Kohly played a GREAT match. Rafa was ok, but he won RG on monday, you cna't say nothing to him
Also, the surface wasn't good for Rafa's game.

Whatever, great points by Kohly, one of the best victories in his career.

Lugburz
06-15-2012, 06:49 PM
As expected in my book ;)

Sri
06-15-2012, 06:49 PM
Collect money, check.
Get some singles practice, check.
Get some doubles practice, check.

Now must go home to sunny Mallorca. :)

156mphserve
06-15-2012, 06:50 PM
totally expected :shrug:

peribsen
06-15-2012, 06:52 PM
Tank huh?

Not sure. Though Rafa came to Halle for practice, and was never going to go for broke here, I really think he wanted a few more sets before Wimby. So unobjectionable and deserved win for Kohli, he had already played some good matches against Rafa.

shadows
06-15-2012, 06:57 PM
Great performance by Kohli, made Rafa look impotent on the true grass of Halle.

STUHL
06-15-2012, 06:58 PM
YES YES YES! That wasn't the tank I expected, it was just pure Domination from Kohli. Really showed Rafa how to play on this grass. Well deserved seeding in Wimbledon now. :worship:

masterclass
06-15-2012, 06:58 PM
Kohly played a GREAT match. Rafa was ok, but he won RG on monday, you cna't say nothing to him
Also, the surface wasn't good for Rafa's game.

Whatever, great points by Kohly, one of the best victories in his career.

^^This.

Halle grass plays as grass should... Nadal can play doubles in Halle a little longer and then get a bit of rest for Wimbledon. Unfortunately for him now, Nadal now needs Djokovic to lose in the Wimbledon QF or earlier, combined with a win for him to get to #1 post Wimbledon. Nadal will be ranked #3 when the Wimbledon points drop, so he must go further than Federer does at Wimbledon to remain #2.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Ben.
06-15-2012, 07:03 PM
Expected. Doubt Rafa wanted to risk a loss to Berdych given the dominance he has over him, his good form and the fact they could meet at Wimbledon.

Kohli was good, served very well.

Smoke944
06-15-2012, 07:07 PM
Should move Wimbledon to Halle, play on some true grass and get away from that other crap

Johnny Groove
06-15-2012, 07:07 PM
I didn't think Nadal played so bad here, Kohli was just too good.

Rafa has lost QF in Queens/Halle in 06, 07, 10, 11, and now 12 :shrug:

MADOXXX
06-15-2012, 07:08 PM
:p NID :haha:

Chirag
06-15-2012, 07:10 PM
from game 1 this was the expected result

SheepleBuster
06-15-2012, 07:11 PM
Utter domination. Can't believe Kohli has not owned Rafa's ass in their last 8 meetings. He is just superior in every area except running

hipolymer
06-15-2012, 07:12 PM
In a perfect world Nadal would have 0 grass majors and 0 hard court majors. This loss confirms it.

A man can dream....*sigh*

SheepleBuster
06-15-2012, 07:13 PM
In a perfect world Nadal would have 0 grass majors and 0 hard court majors. This loss confirms it.

A man can dream....*sigh*

In a perfect world, Nadal would actually play a sport he knows how to play, that's running along side Bolt

hipolymer
06-15-2012, 07:15 PM
In a perfect world, Nadal would actually play a sport he knows how to play, that's running along side Bolt

It would be pretty hard to run with a hand in your arse every few seconds. Arm movement is important in running and sprinting.

Poirot123
06-15-2012, 07:15 PM
^^This.

Halle grass plays as grass should... Nadal can play doubles in Halle a little longer and then get a bit of rest for Wimbledon. Unfortunately for him now, Nadal now needs Djokovic to lose in the Wimbledon QF or earlier, combined with a win for him to get to #1 post Wimbledon. Nadal will be ranked #3 when the Wimbledon points drop, so he must go further than Federer does at Wimbledon to remain #2.

Respectfully,
masterclass

If Federer wins Halle and Wimbledon, is there any chance he could go above Djokovic to world number 1, assuming Djokovic makes the final?

Smoke944
06-15-2012, 07:15 PM
Another one for the ignore list. FYI, Nadal is a mediocre grass court player and would have no slams on the surface if he'd played in any other decade. :wavey:

:spit: MTF may not be the place for you if you put posters on your ignore list for a post this innocuous

TigerTim
06-15-2012, 07:16 PM
Kholi is good at Halle!

Roamed
06-15-2012, 07:17 PM
If Federer wins Halle and Wimbledon, is there any chance he could go above Djokovic to world number 1, assuming Djokovic makes the final?

If Djokovic makes the Wimbledon final, no.

Only chance for Fed is if Nole does not make the final, and Fed wins. I think both have to happen.

STUHL
06-15-2012, 07:17 PM
If Federer wins Halle and Wimbledon, is there any chance he could go above Djokovic to world number 1, assuming Djokovic makes the final?He would be if Nole doesn't reach the final!

AncicCilic
06-15-2012, 07:18 PM
This reminded me of that "old" grass, don't know if people remember but 10-15 years ago seeing a colombian, brasilian or even spanish player past R3 in Wimbledon was a rarity.

Not saying Nadal wouldn't go past R3 even in that old Wimby as he is obv special, just these kinds of defeats from top players with his style of play were quite common and expected.

Orka_n
06-15-2012, 07:18 PM
lol. I wonder what Nadal's wimbledon record would look like if they hadn't slowed down the grass over there.

Good win Kohli. Title is Fed's to lose now.

NID
06-15-2012, 07:21 PM
Huge asterisk on this win. Rafa got injured in the muddy blue grass of Halle.

Sent from my GT-I9100 using VerticalSports.Com App

hipolymer
06-15-2012, 07:22 PM
Another one for the ignore list. FYI, Nadal is a mediocre grass court player and would have no slams on the surface if he'd played in any other decade. :wavey:

uhh, isn't that other poster basically agreeing with you? that's how I understand it at least

SheepleBuster
06-15-2012, 07:23 PM
I hope Nole does not choke this title like he did RG. We know it's going to rain a lot in London. He needs to go for triple bagel to avoid any rain breaks in the final.

Olorin
06-15-2012, 07:23 PM
Are there any onlines sites that offer free video streaming for these Halle matches? I just hate it when certain events aren't televised. Only getting Queens.

TigerTim
06-15-2012, 07:23 PM
fed and Djokovic fans reactions caught on live TV, this guy seems the same age of a typical MTF poster also
http://h11.abload.de/img/untitled-15mqjvk.gif

PDC
06-15-2012, 07:23 PM
Rafa said in the spanish radio SER on monday that he would play 3 or 4 matches max @Halle including doubles...

Smoke944
06-15-2012, 07:24 PM
uhh, isn't that other poster basically agreeing with you? that's how I understand it at least

Yes, but oh well :lol:

GSMnadal
06-15-2012, 07:24 PM
Fuck, should've bet my life savings on this match, would've been the easiest money I'd ever make in my life.

Now get ready to DOMINATE at Wimbledon Rafa :rocker2:

evilmindbulgaria
06-15-2012, 07:30 PM
Great match by Kohli, congratulations! Rafa was about average, had chances to break in the second set but couldn't convert. The upcoming break after that was NID.

Rest up now, champ! Wimbledon is yours for the taking!

abraxas21
06-15-2012, 07:34 PM
better player and human being won

EddieNero
06-15-2012, 07:35 PM
If Wimbledon was still played on real grass Nadull would never reach SF, let alone winning the whole thing.

dazed1
06-15-2012, 07:35 PM
Tennis won.

abraxas21
06-15-2012, 07:36 PM
Rafa has lost QF in Queens/Halle in 06, 07, 10, 11, and now 12 :shrug:

rafito usually struggles a lot more when he's confronted with real grass.

Smoke944
06-15-2012, 07:37 PM
Agreeing with me how? Unlike him, I don't think the Wimbledon grass (i.e. dry mud) is anywhere near as good quality as the grass in Halle (or Queens). The reason he made the comment that they should play on Wimbledon grass in Halle is because that's the only way Nadal would ever have a chance at winning. :facepalm:

:facepalm:
please read my post again

GSMnadal
06-15-2012, 07:37 PM
rafito usually struggles a lot more when he's confronted with a warm up tournament he doesn't give a shit about.

fixed.

Orka_n
06-15-2012, 07:43 PM
Agreeing with me how? Unlike him, I don't think the Wimbledon grass (i.e. dry mud) is anywhere near as good quality as the grass in Halle (or Queens).Neither does he. You must have misunderstood his post.

Allez
06-15-2012, 07:44 PM
Please, Rafa does this almost every year. He wasn't planning on going deep in this tournament. Expected tank. Guys like Nole and Rafa are mostly focused on cleaning up at the slams...This is less than a blip in his prep for Wimbledon.

tennishero
06-15-2012, 07:44 PM
lol

TigerTim
06-15-2012, 07:44 PM
despite the tank there is no doubt Kholi played well, Rafa would have had a tough match on his hands even if he had taken is seriously. Luckly for Rafa Wimbledon is much slower, so I predict a 3rd title for him.

barbadosan
06-15-2012, 07:45 PM
Agreeing with me how? Unlike him, I don't think the Wimbledon grass (i.e. dry mud) is anywhere near as good quality as the grass in Halle (or Queens). The reason he made the comment that they should play on Wimbledon grass in Halle is because that's the only way Nadal would ever have a chance at winning. :facepalm:

I think you totally misunderstood the poster; as far as most of us understood it, he was saying exactly the opposite - that Wimbledon should be played on the current Halle grass. (that was why your comment about putting the poster on ignore seemed so strange and odd)

Smoke944
06-15-2012, 07:46 PM
I think you totally misunderstood the poster; as far as most of us understood it, he was saying exactly the opposite - that Wimbledon should be played on the current Halle grass. (that was why your comment about putting the poster on ignore seemed so strange and odd)

Yes, thank you :D

ServeVolley
06-15-2012, 07:48 PM
:facepalm:
please read my post again

Okay. Epic failure on my part... I apologise. :)

jrm
06-15-2012, 07:48 PM
How many active players have more than one win over Asspicker?

ServeVolley
06-15-2012, 07:55 PM
Please, Rafa does this almost every year. He wasn't planning on going deep in this tournament. Expected tank. Guys like Nole and Rafa are mostly focused on cleaning up at the slams...This is less than a blip in his prep for Wimbledon.

Which is why he grimaced after going down a break, and vamosed every time he got through a difficult game, right? :rolleyes:

Perhaps a better explanation is that he's just not a very good player on real grass.

STUHL
06-15-2012, 07:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM1yomfmj-s

Great Highlights from the latest piggy roasting :angel:

Allez
06-15-2012, 07:58 PM
Which is why he grimaced after going down a break, and vamosed every time he got through a difficult game, right? :rolleyes:

Perhaps a better explanation is that he's just not a very good player on real grass.

Unfortunately for you the only grass that matters is the one at SW19 ;)

Chris Kuerten
06-15-2012, 07:58 PM
Utter domination. Can't believe Kohli has not owned Rafa's ass in their last 8 meetings. He is just superior in every area except running:haha:

Jon.
06-15-2012, 07:58 PM
:eek:

evilmindbulgaria
06-15-2012, 07:58 PM
Which is why he grimaced after going down a break, and vamosed every time he got through a difficult game, right? :rolleyes:

Perhaps a better explanation is that he's just not a very good player on real grass.

Wimbledon and Queens are played on fake grass :confused: Wow, the British should reeeeaaally learn from the Germans about grass courts :rolleyes:

Smoke944
06-15-2012, 07:59 PM
Okay. Epic failure on my part... I apologise. :)

It's ok. And ignore my bad rep :angel: I gave it to you because I was wondering why you were reacting that way to my post :lol:

abraxas21
06-15-2012, 08:00 PM
Wimbledon and Queens are played on fake grass :confused: Wow, the British should reeeeaaally learn from the Germans about grass courts :rolleyes:


In 2001, Wimbledon tore out all its courts and planted a new variety of groundcover. The new grass was 100% perennial rye; the old courts had been a mix of 70% rye and 30% creeping red fescue. The new lawn was more durable, and allowed Wimbledon's groundsmen to keep the soil underneath drier and firmer. A firmer surface causes the ball to bounce higher. A high bounce is anathema to the serve-and-volley player, who relies on approach shots skidding low through the court. What's more, rye, unlike fescue, grows in tufts that stand straight up; these tufts slow a tennis ball down as it lands.


Tim Henman, a serve-and-volley player, made four Wimbledon semifinals, but says the new grass forced him to alter his natural game midcareer. "I remember sitting at a change-over in 2002 in utter frustration and thinking 'What on earth is going on here? I'm on a grass court and it's the slowest court I've played on this year.' " Veteran tour pro and former Wimbledon doubles champion Jonas Bjorkman says the slower grass courts have homogenized the professional game. "There is a danger that we will have only one type of player soon because everyone is growing up on courts that are roughly the same speed," he says. To underline the point: Federer's great rival, Rafael Nadal, is widely considered a clay-court specialist, but has still made the final at Wimbledon the last two years.

"There was a time when clay-court [specialists] wouldn't even make the trip [to England]," Bjorkman said after losing to Nadal at the Artois Championships, a warm-up event for Wimbledon. "Now they hardly even need to adjust their game."
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1815724,00.html#ixzz1xtGVcSky

masterclass
06-15-2012, 08:01 PM
If Federer wins Halle and Wimbledon, is there any chance he could go above Djokovic to world number 1, assuming Djokovic makes the final?

If Federer is in Djokovic's half at Wimbledon, he controls his own destiny. If he were to beat Djokovic in the SF, then win the final, he will be #1 post Wimbledon. Oh, and Federer doesn't have to win in Halle. He only needed to make the SF, which he already has in beating Raonic.

If Federer is in Nadal's half, he has to hope some other Wimbledon grass adept beats Djokovic in the semifinal. But the way seeded players are falling by the wayside in Queens, I don't have a lot of confidence that will happen.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Ash86
06-15-2012, 08:03 PM
Good job Rafa! :D Just what the doctor ordered - a few days in the sun in Mallorca and then Wimby next week.

His presser says it all - Kohli played well; he needs a break after a few months non-stop; indoor, humid, lower bounce than Wimby - no point in going all out here - he got the few matches he needed. And a nice appearance fee too. ;) Better to tank now than to lose to Berdych or Fed later.

Showing how much of a tank it was his PR guy Benito had already left and gone home, doubles partner on way home before match even finished. The Webers got 3 matches & Rafa from Tuesday-Friday - okay return I guess.

Well done to Kohli who played great! Aggressive & great serving. Post RG Queens/Halle tank is always the least painful loss of the year. :cool:

Fed should have done the same - save yourself for Wimby & Olympics Rog - not worth battling Berdych etc. for a 250!

Hian-GOAT
06-15-2012, 08:04 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4wm30F2bd1rx8xito4_500.gif

Great day for men's tennis! Both Nadal and Raoshit are out of this tournament, so there are still good chances for ATP to not go deep :yeah:

Phillipp, I never liked you, and I will hardly in the future, but thank you for taking out the trash.

Nadal :bigwave:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4ial4yrHz1rpt3g0.gif

samanosuke
06-15-2012, 08:05 PM
This was two times Wimby champion and 3 times runner up. Guy with his pedigree should beat guys like Kohli with wrong hand on tanking day. Now tio Toni knows how Wimby draw has to look: first two rounds two journeymen, then Verdasco - Monaco combo , and when grass becomes dirt he could face some harder opponent. That's our wimby champion, who wouldn't like him :hug:

Allez
06-15-2012, 08:06 PM
Good job Rafa! :D Just what the doctor ordered - a few days in the sun in Mallorca and then Wimby next week.

His presser says it all - Kohli played well; he needs a break after a few months non-stop; indoor, humid, lower bounce than Wimby - no point in going all out here - he got the few matches he needed. And a nice appearance fee too. ;) Better to tank now than to lose to Berdych or Fed later.

Showing how much of a tank it was his PR guy Benito had already left and gone home, doubles partner on way home before match even finished. The Webers got 3 matches & Rafa from Tuesday-Friday - okay return I guess.

Well done to Kohli who played great! Aggressive & great serving. Post RG Queens/Halle tank is always the least painful loss of the year. :cool:

Fed should have done the same - save yourself for Wimby & Olympics Rog - not worth battling Berdych etc. for a 250!

True, true and true.

evilmindbulgaria
06-15-2012, 08:06 PM
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1815724,00.html#ixzz1xtGVcSky

So, what they have right now is not "real" grass :confused:

And how about Queens - I did not read anything about that in the article. Is the grass there also "fake" because Nadal won there too :confused:

You know, only extremely delusional people can keep coming with those excuses. Stop living in denial, wake up and smell the roses :devil:

STUHL
06-15-2012, 08:10 PM
This wasn't a clear tank. The way Rafa was fighting when kohli served for it, shows that he still wanted to win it! Philipp just play brilliant today!

misty1
06-15-2012, 08:11 PM
great win for kohli

Ben.
06-15-2012, 08:12 PM
Nadal, Toni and the ATP really dropped the ball here, huh? They must have completely forgotten they hadn't slowed Halle down. The diggers will be in, first thing Monday morning.

They also forgot to put Berdy on the other side of the draw. They can't afford to get this complacent in the future or Nadal may struggle to win sets.

green25814
06-15-2012, 08:16 PM
Nadal is average on real grass.

Just like heaven
06-15-2012, 08:17 PM
:)

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150925033281026&set=a.456161351025.251362.64822581025&type=1

.......

samanosuke
06-15-2012, 08:18 PM
:)

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150925033281026&set=a.456161351025.251362.64822581025&type=1

.......

:stupid:


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Mae
06-15-2012, 08:20 PM
Rafa :sad:

kiriri***
06-15-2012, 08:20 PM
This wasn't a clear tank. The way Rafa was fighting when kohli served for it, shows that he still wanted to win it! Philipp just play brilliant today!

Agreed. Nadal didn't play so bad but he looked little tired. Take a rest:angel:
Today, Kohli played so good especially his serve awesome:D Great win for him:D

Just like heaven
06-15-2012, 08:20 PM
:stupid:


.......

What? He was obviously tired and this match doesn't mean much.

samanosuke
06-15-2012, 08:23 PM
What? He was obviously tired and this match doesn't mean much.

I have just eaten and you put that 10" long orangutan smile to stare at me. Thanx you for ruining me a good meal

JediFed
06-15-2012, 08:23 PM
Doesn't Kohli have a winning record vs Rafa? It's not the first time he's won either.

Clearly rafa was:

1, tired,
2, injured,
3, tanking

I'm not saying it was ALIENS - but

IT WAS ALIENS!

samanosuke
06-15-2012, 08:24 PM
Halle's grass is faster than Wimby's grass, Queens also. Pigito would suffer a lot if Wimby is playing this fast

Ben.
06-15-2012, 08:24 PM
Doesn't Kohli have a winning record vs Rafa? It's not the first time he's won either.

Clearly rafa was:

1, tired,
2, injured,
3, tanking

I'm not saying it was ALIENS - but

IT WAS ALIENS!

Yep, he improved on his already stellar record against Nadal.

ossie
06-15-2012, 08:26 PM
look at all these tards jerking off over a tank :haha:

Just like heaven
06-15-2012, 08:27 PM
I have just eaten and you put that 10" long orangutan smile to stare at me. Thanx you for ruining me a good meal

http://www.nadalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/NADAL_585x350_648446a.jpg

Slice Winner
06-15-2012, 08:28 PM
This shows why Nadal is lucky that there are only about 3 fast court tournaments all year.

He would have survived this match if it was best of 5, but Kohli played very well.

JediFed
06-15-2012, 08:29 PM
Tank, eh. Time to bump the piggy roasting thread again.

Paylu2007
06-15-2012, 08:30 PM
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1815724,00.html#ixzz1xtGVcSky

ty, very interesting reading.

Hian-GOAT
06-15-2012, 08:33 PM
Rafatards..

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyejo3wOxz1qgzd89o1_400.jpg

Just accepte that your trashy fave has been trashed by a better player, who knows how to hit winner without moonballing. Sore losers.

Allez
06-15-2012, 08:34 PM
This is only 250 event haterz :facepalm:

hipolymer
06-15-2012, 08:35 PM
Good job Rafa! :D Just what the doctor ordered - a few days in the sun in Mallorca and then Wimby next week.

His presser says it all - Kohli played well; he needs a break after a few months non-stop; indoor, humid, lower bounce than Wimby - no point in going all out here - he got the few matches he needed. And a nice appearance fee too. ;) Better to tank now than to lose to Berdych or Fed later.

Showing how much of a tank it was his PR guy Benito had already left and gone home, doubles partner on way home before match even finished. The Webers got 3 matches & Rafa from Tuesday-Friday - okay return I guess.

Well done to Kohli who played great! Aggressive & great serving. Post RG Queens/Halle tank is always the least painful loss of the year. :cool:

Fed should have done the same - save yourself for Wimby & Olympics Rog - not worth battling Berdych etc. for a 250!

Federer knows the only chance he's going to have of being number 1 is winning MM tournaments. Watch him play his best tennis in the North American hard court swing and Olympics.

He knows he has little chance of winning Wimbledon so I don't blame him.

peribsen
06-15-2012, 08:36 PM
Halle's grass is faster than Wimby's grass, Queens also. Pigito would suffer a lot if Wimby is playing this fast

Pigito as you call him already won Queens, thank you for reminding us all that that tournament is fast grass, just like Beijing 08 was very fast HC. If Wimby was very fast, you'd have seen Rafa adapt to fast grass by now.

Haters clutching at straws, expected but tiresome.

JediFed
06-15-2012, 08:40 PM
He was a commanding 0-8 coming into this match

Now who did Kohli beat? Ahh, he beat both Novak and Murray back to back years at RG.

He now has wins against the following former or current world number 1s:

Hewitt, Roddick, Ferrero, Djokovic and Nadal. :worship:

How many players never ranked in the top 20 can say that?

Hian-GOAT
06-15-2012, 08:43 PM
This is only 250 event haterz :facepalm:

And your beloved cannot win a 250 event? :awww:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lubqqyZ7c01qhylk3.gif

Matt01
06-15-2012, 08:44 PM
look at all these tards jerking off over a tank :haha:


Highly amusing, yes.

Lugburz
06-15-2012, 08:45 PM
jeez every thread is turning into Nadal-Nole-Fed-Murray discussion :p
Can we simply just enjoy this awesome win by Kohli ?

Matt01
06-15-2012, 08:46 PM
And your beloved cannot win a 250 event? :awww:



Yeah, he's so bad that he cannot win a 250 event anymore but he has to focus on the Slams instead. Poor Rafa is really declining :awww:

ZaZoo)
06-15-2012, 08:50 PM
You know piggy came for apperance fee when Mugschreiber of all people (h2h is hillarious) straight sets him without a sweat.

Hian-GOAT
06-15-2012, 08:51 PM
Yeah, he's so bad that he cannot win a 250 event anymore but he has to focus on the Slams instead. Poor Rafa is really declining :awww:

But still cannot overtake Nole in the ranking :awww:

rocketassist
06-15-2012, 08:55 PM
Shows what would happen if Wimbledon didn't slow the courts down.

Matt01
06-15-2012, 08:55 PM
But still cannot overtake Nole in the ranking :awww:


No, instead he beat him in the last Slam final.

Commander Data
06-15-2012, 08:56 PM
look at all these tards jerking off over a tank :haha:

Highly amusing, yes.

I find it a bit irritating that Rafa fans don't believe their own man but rather assume he lies.

Rafa said he will fight every minute on court trying to win this event for optimal practice for Wimbledon. those who have seen the match, saw, that albeit a bit tired and clearly not at his best, Rafa tried and Kohli just played an excellent match.

Why whould you go around talking about a tank? if not for :stupid:


Fed should have done the same - save yourself for Wimby & Olympics Rog - not worth battling Berdych

is out :wavey:

Hian-GOAT
06-15-2012, 08:59 PM
No, instead he beat him in the last Slam final.

But he is still worse than Nole :awww:

Jimnik
06-15-2012, 08:59 PM
Not a "tank" but obviously Nadal didn't care that much. He's got his warm-up and an appearance fee.

Lugburz
06-15-2012, 09:01 PM
'tank' is just an insult for Nadal. And also very very lousy excuse for his fans.

peribsen
06-15-2012, 09:13 PM
'tank' is just an insult for Nadal. And also very very lousy excuse for his fans.

That's why several of us don't call it a tank. But it's funny to see others trying to turn it into some kind of disaster. Rafa wanted to win today, but he wasn't about to go for broke for it.

Ash86
06-15-2012, 09:20 PM
That's why several of us don't call it a tank. But it's funny to see others trying to turn it into some kind of disaster. Rafa wanted to win today, but he wasn't about to go for broke for it.

Yeah - better description. Kohli was playing well and Rafa wasn't going to kill himself for the match. If Kohli had been terrible I don't think Nadal would have played atrocious to gift him the match - more like in Queens/Halle he just isn't totally there and if there's a chance for him to be out it's not the worst thing ever. Still trying but nothing like in other tournaments. In 2008 he got through to SF and then suddenly actually wanted to really win and fought for it a lot - got a second week he said whereas before he'd been tired and wanted to go home.

born_on_clay
06-15-2012, 09:28 PM
nice tanking Rafa :yeah:

get some well deserved rest champ :hatoff:

Matt01
06-15-2012, 09:34 PM
I find it a bit irritating that Rafa fans don't believe their own man but rather assume he lies.

Rafa said he will fight every minute on court trying to win this event for optimal practice for Wimbledon. those who have seen the match, saw, that albeit a bit tired and clearly not at his best, Rafa tried and Kohli just played an excellent match.

Why whould you go around talking about a tank? if not for :stupid:




Another poster posted that Nadal said on Spanish Radio he only wanted to play a few matches in Halle.
I don't know if he really tanked but if he did, do you really think he would admit that to the press?

Mountaindewslave
06-15-2012, 09:39 PM
Nadal always deliberately drops out of the pre-Wimbledon tournaments early, probably to take pressure off of himself when heading into the Grand Slam, nothing new

Mr Brightside
06-15-2012, 09:52 PM
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg633/FORZAPENNETTA/tumblr_m2a5zmxElw1qhwvm4o1_400.gif

AliceMariaRenka
06-15-2012, 09:54 PM
Collect money, check.
Get some singles practice, check.
Get some doubles practice, check.

Now must go home to sunny Mallorca. :)

Yes, and he did it last year at Queens. I am not a fan or even admirer and this is one of the reasons why.

manadrainer
06-15-2012, 10:04 PM
This loss doesn't mean anything... Nadal still favourite at wimbledon IMHO.

Conditions will be different and he will be well rested.

Orka_n
06-15-2012, 10:08 PM
Nadulltards can't decide whether their hero is "the greatest fighter the sport has ever seen", or a tanking pussy. NID

TigerTim
06-15-2012, 10:09 PM
Nadulltards can't decide whether their hero is "the greatest fighter the sport has ever seen", or a tanking pussy. NID

:lol:

ElMix
06-15-2012, 10:15 PM
While Kohli played great, it was obvious tank job from Nadal. I don't remember hearing his awful grunt at all.

Matt01
06-15-2012, 10:21 PM
Nadulltards can't decide whether their hero is "the greatest fighter the sport has ever seen", or a tanking pussy. NID


The difference between a Slam and a 250 event shouldn't be that hard to see even for a Fedtard like you ;)

Commander Data
06-15-2012, 10:26 PM
Another poster posted that Nadal said on Spanish Radio he only wanted to play a few matches in Halle.
I don't know if he really tanked but if he did, do you really think he would admit that to the press?

I doubt a bit that he really said that he only wanted to play a few matches. it is always easy to twist a couple words and generate new meanings. If h said it I find it a bit weak to say conflicting things in different languages..If you plan to tank you don't have to smile into camera and say that you will give it all every minute out there.

I think what he did was trying his best given the circumstances that he just played a Slam final, I'm sure he was happy he got a couple grass matches under his belt and not heartbroken by the loss.

But it was not tanking. I saw how he pushed himself up after crucial points and tried to turn the match in the 2nd, had Kohli slipped a bit he would have lost the match.

abraxas21
06-15-2012, 10:29 PM
Nadulltards can't decide whether their hero is "the greatest fighter the sport has ever seen", or a tanking pussy. NID

pretty much.

henke007
06-15-2012, 10:30 PM
Rafa is more of a Clayspecialist these days.

MuzzahLovah
06-15-2012, 10:30 PM
Please, Rafa does this almost every year. He wasn't planning on going deep in this tournament. Expected tank. Guys like Nole and Rafa are mostly focused on cleaning up at the slams...This is less than a blip in his prep for Wimbledon.

Nole didn't tank though- he just skipped Halle/Queens.

I like how when Nadal loses to Kohli, it's a tank, but Murray lost to Mahut because he sucks. It seems to this tank/prep thing changes from player to player week to week, depending on who you like etc.

MuzzahLovah
06-15-2012, 10:33 PM
Nadulltards can't decide whether their hero is "the greatest fighter the sport has ever seen", or a tanking pussy. NID

:haha: He fights for every point like it's his last- except when he doesn't.

fivebargate
06-15-2012, 10:34 PM
I hope Nole does not choke this title like he did RG. We know it's going to rain a lot in London. He needs to go for triple bagel to avoid any rain breaks in the final.

Oi dingbat....we are civilised these days....a roof and lights and everything! ;)

peribsen
06-15-2012, 11:26 PM
Read more: In 2001, Wimbledon tore out all its courts and planted a new variety of groundcover. The new grass was 100% perennial rye; the old courts had been a mix of 70% rye and 30% creeping red fescue. The new lawn was more durable, and allowed Wimbledon's groundsmen to keep the soil underneath drier and firmer. A firmer surface causes the ball to bounce higher. A high bounce is anathema to the serve-and-volley player, who relies on approach shots skidding low through the court. What's more, rye, unlike fescue, grows in tufts that stand straight up; these tufts slow a tennis ball down as it lands.


Tim Henman, a serve-and-volley player, made four Wimbledon semifinals, but says the new grass forced him to alter his natural game midcareer. "I remember sitting at a change-over in 2002 in utter frustration and thinking 'What on earth is going on here? I'm on a grass court and it's the slowest court I've played on this year.' " Veteran tour pro and former Wimbledon doubles champion Jonas Bjorkman says the slower grass courts have homogenized the professional game. "There is a danger that we will have only one type of player soon because everyone is growing up on courts that are roughly the same speed," he says. To underline the point: Federer's great rival, Rafael Nadal, is widely considered a clay-court specialist, but has still made the final at Wimbledon the last two years.

"There was a time when clay-court [specialists] wouldn't even make the trip [to England]," Bjorkman said after losing to Nadal at the Artois Championships, a warm-up event for Wimbledon. "Now they hardly even need to adjust their game."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1815724,00.html#ixzz1xtGVcSky

Now you people really need to make up your mind, because you are constantly harping about some sort of Nadal conspiracy, like if Uncle Toni was behind new strings and slower courts, and then you provide a link that clearly states that the grass at Wimby was changed way back in 2001 (before Fed's streak of wins!!!).

Thank you for the argument. I assume that now you'll accept your own evidence and from now on will state that, while Nadal maybe the player lucky enough to have a game better adapted to changes introduced before his time, he is in no way the cause of those changes, far less the culprit.

I really want to thank you, Abraxas, excellent imput. Now just stick by your own words!!

Ben.
06-15-2012, 11:31 PM
Now you people really need to make up your mind, because you are constantly harping about some sort of Nadal conspiracy, like if Uncle Toni was behind new strings and slower courts, and then you provide a link that clearly states that the grass at Wimby was changed way back in 2001 (before Fed's streak of wins!!!).

Thank you for the argument. I assume that now you'll accept your own evidence and from now on will state that, while Nadal maybe the player lucky enough to have a game better adapted to changes introduced before his time, he is in no way the cause of those changes, far less the culprit.

I really want to thank you, Abraxas, excellent imput. Now just stick by your own words!!

I thought it was a fact that Toni was meeting with the tennis high brass as early as 1999? It all fits man.

Orka_n
06-15-2012, 11:35 PM
The difference between a Slam and a 250 event shouldn't be that hard to see even for a Fedtard like you ;)You're not smart enough to diss me. And you basically just confirmed my point. Nadal is only a fighter when he feels like it - in other words he's not different from every other player on tour.

rocketassist
06-15-2012, 11:39 PM
Nadal's record on faster grass besides his Queens win in 08 is very ordinary. He's lost to:

His bf LaLo
Mahut
Tsonga
Waske
Kohlschreiber

And Muller and Srichaphan when the Wimbledon grass was quicker.

Just shows how vulnerable he actually is on fast grass. Low bounce, difficult to use topspin, moonballing ineffective, can't return serve and gets outhit.

that's why his 2008 Queens win was one of his most impressive career titles. Managed to get by despite these weaknesses.

Ackms421
06-15-2012, 11:42 PM
The slow grass doesn't make sense to me. Fast court players still generally do best at Wimbledon. Federer beat Nadal at Wimbledon handily in 2006 and lost to him on clay and hard courts weeks earlier. On the women's side the Williams sisters have won like 10 of the last 13 Wimbledons (or something like that) and never do well at the French. Maybe the grass is different, but it still suits fast court players best. Nadal plays more aggressively at Wimbledon. And, if the courts were legitimately as slow as people say Federer could never have taken him to 5 there two weeks after the debacle in the 2008 French final. It doesn't add up.

And, BTW, Nadal has also won Queens, purportedly the fastest court in the world...

rocketassist
06-15-2012, 11:43 PM
The slow grass doesn't make sense to me. Fast court players still generally do best at Wimbledon. Federer beat Nadal at Wimbledon handily in 2006 and lost to him on clay and hard courts weeks earlier. On the women's side the Williams sisters have won like 10 of the last 13 Wimbledons (or something like that) and never do well at the French. Maybe the grass is different, but it still suits fast court players best. Nadal plays more aggressively at Wimbledon. And, if the courts were legitimately as slow as people say Federer could never have taken him to 5 there two weeks after the debacle in the 2008 French final. It doesn't add up.

Three of the last four Wimbledons were won by slow court players.

Absolute Anthropoid
06-15-2012, 11:44 PM
Dammit Nadal you wasted 1k vcash. Will read the thread now

LinkMage
06-15-2012, 11:46 PM
Just a shame this is the only week of real grass court tennis in the whole year. Wimbledon is green clay the 1st week and brown clay the 2nd week.

Just see the semifinalists at both Queens and Halle:
Federer
Youzhny
Kohlschreiber
Haas
Nalbandian
Dimitrov
Querrey
Cilic


0 pushers/grinders/moonballers/retrievers out of 8 semifinalists.
This must be the best week for tennis in ages. :worship:

duong
06-15-2012, 11:46 PM
even though Kohli had never beaten Nadal, he had often given him many problems, certainly it was his best chance and he took it, happy for him :yeah:

Wimbledon's grass in second week is completely different from the conditions in Halle and Nadal will be much better prepared (even though the supposed player "who only wins because of hard work, not because of his talent" :rolleyes: will not practice on grass for nearly one week : shows that he's very talented indeed even though he says the opposite for his legend)

Corey Feldman
06-15-2012, 11:46 PM
F Off Nadal

next time stick to Queens club as well

gets more time to practise on clay for Wimbledon anyway

Johnny Groove
06-15-2012, 11:56 PM
Nadal's record on faster grass besides his Queens win in 08 is very ordinary. He's lost to:

His bf LaLo
Mahut
Tsonga
Waske
Kohlschreiber

And Muller and Srichaphan when the Wimbledon grass was quicker.

Just shows how vulnerable he actually is on fast grass. Low bounce, difficult to use topspin, moonballing ineffective, can't return serve and gets outhit.

that's why his 2008 Queens win was one of his most impressive career titles. Managed to get by despite these weaknesses.

Oh please. Judging the man's grass credentials using only Queens/Halle when he is coming off winning a slam a few days prior? :lol:

Ichiban1920
06-15-2012, 11:56 PM
Anytime Nadull loses it's good for the sport.

Nadull = biggest tennis fraud in history.

duong
06-16-2012, 12:01 AM
Reading the thread, I'm shocked that people treat Kohli as if he was a total mug :eek:

Kohli is one of the most talented players, mostly lacks physical abilities and power comparing to the top-ones.

rocketassist
06-16-2012, 12:02 AM
Oh please. Judging the man's grass credentials using only Queens/Halle when he is coming off winning a slam a few days prior? :lol:

Federer's always come off an RG final (and usually a loss) and never loses early in Halle :shrug:

Sunset of Age
06-16-2012, 12:04 AM
Well, I was there.
It was NO tank, even if Rafa wasn't pushing his utmost limits, it was obvious it wasn't his initial plan to lose to Kohlschreiber in Halle today. I saw him shake his head several times in disbelief, as this might well have been one of Kohli's best performances ever. Everything worked for Kohli today. I witnessed it in disbelief. Just awesome.
Not to forget that Kohlschreiber has always done very well on the Halle grass...

Too bad I witnessed just one another chance of a Fedal final go up in smoke. :sad:
Good thing however is that Rafa got a great reception in Halle, the crowd loved him and he'll be back for sure. Rest up now, champ. :hug:

Better player - today - won. :shrug:

ahadabans
06-16-2012, 12:20 AM
Better to tank now than to lose to Berdych or Fed later.


This. Nadal risks much more by losing to either of those guys. No point in giving them reason to think they can beat you at Wimbledon.

He got what he needed. A few matches on grass. Now he can go home, rest, celebrate his RG victory and come to Wimbledon fresh and ready.

ahadabans
06-16-2012, 12:27 AM
Shows what would happen if Wimbledon didn't slow the courts down.

No it doesn't. This event is indoors I believe. The conditions are totally different.

And if I'm not mistaken, this is 100% Rye just like Wimbledon. Queen's is faster because it uses a different blend. But not Halle. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

On top of all that, Nadal is not going to waste a bunch of energy on a 250 event. There is no point to that.

And to add to all of this, best of 5 and best of 3 are completely different from a mental standpoint.

Nadal has made 5 Wimbledon finals. If you really think he sucks on grass, you're a moron.

rocketassist
06-16-2012, 12:29 AM
No it doesn't. This event is indoors I believe. The conditions are totally different.

And if I'm not mistaken, this is 100% Rye just like Wimbledon. Queen's is faster because it uses a different blend. But not Halle. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

On top of all that, Nadal is not going to waste a bunch of energy on a 250 event. There is no point to that.

And to add to all of this, best of 5 and best of 3 are completely different from a mental standpoint.

Nadal has made 5 Wimbledon finals. If you really think he sucks on grass, you're a moron.

I don't think he sucks on grass at all, but on fast grass, he's more than beatable. He won the Queens title in 08 very impressively, but he can be beaten on a fast grass court by someone serving reasonably well, hitting the ball well and because his topspin doesn't take to the low bounce.

Halle is far faster than Wimbledon. If you can't see it, you're just blind.

ahadabans
06-16-2012, 12:30 AM
Well, I was there.
It was NO tank, even if Rafa wasn't pushing his utmost limits, it was obvious it wasn't his initial plan to lose to Kohlschreiber in Halle today.

Nadal doesn't know how to tank. It's not in his make-up. But his success is fueled largely by his relentlessness. He has little motivation to put that kind of energy into a 250 event when he knows he needs to rest for Wimbledon. He loses grass tune-ups every year. This is standard business.

Jimnik
06-16-2012, 12:33 AM
I've seen Nadal put more effort into exhos than he did today. If Halle/Queens were upgraded to Masters or even Open 500, then we'd know for sure how the conditions affect him.

We need at least three weeks between slams.

Sunset of Age
06-16-2012, 12:35 AM
Nadal doesn't know how to tank. It's not in his make-up. But his success is fueled largely by his relentlessness. He has little motivation to put that kind of energy into a 250 event when he knows he needs to rest for Wimbledon. He loses grass tune-ups every year. This is standard business.

Pretty sure it was NOT Rafa's intention to lose his second match in Halle this year, even the more because he got a huge response from the crowd who loved to see him appear over there. His motivation was surely there. A loss in a semifinal against a top player or a reknown grass specialist might well have been acceptable for him - perhaps - but not this one, and it showed on his face.

And please explain to me the difference between 'little motivation' and 'tanking'. ;)

Matt01
06-16-2012, 12:37 AM
Federer's always come off an RG final (and usually a loss) and never loses early in Halle :shrug:


He skips Halle every second year when he doesn't feel ready.

Pirata.
06-16-2012, 12:39 AM
Rafa said in the spanish radio SER on monday that he would play 3 or 4 matches max @Halle including doubles...

How do players get away with basically admitting they're going to tank?

Jamoz
06-16-2012, 12:44 AM
Why to play if don't want to win? People pay about those tickets to see you! This is just a ****s way to treat your fans! Go fuck yourself you rich asshole!

ahadabans
06-16-2012, 12:48 AM
Pretty sure it was NOT Rafa's intention to lose his second match in Halle this year, even the more because he got a huge response from the crowd who loved to see him appear over there. His motivation was surely there. A loss in a semifinal against a top player or a reknown grass specialist might well have been acceptable for him - perhaps - but not this one, and it showed on his face.

And please explain to me the difference between 'little motivation' and 'tanking'. ;)

Nadal never intends to lose, no. And when he does, he is disappointed. It's part of his nature - he is fiercely competitive. But when you are down a set and a break, how far do you dig? How much energy do you commit to the cause? Are you telling me Nadal is as motivated to win Halle as he is to win a slam? He's been playing non-stop for 4 months.

I'm not saying it's a conscious thing. But the reality is Nadal loses at Wimbledon warmup events pretty much every year. He is typically exhausted from the clay season and this RG was particularly draining due to the player he faced in the final. The guy is tired. Are you telling me we got 100% A game Rafa today?

Matt01
06-16-2012, 12:54 AM
Why to play if don't want to win? People pay about those tickets to see you! This is just a ****s way to treat your fans!


He also could have withdrawn after the RG final two days before his first match in Halle but he didn't. For his fans. :wavey:

Jamoz
06-16-2012, 12:59 AM
He also could have withdrawn after the RG final two days before his first match in Halle but he didn't. For his fans. :wavey:

So this "spare Jesus" just gives his fans couple of matches and says i'm too good for you! fuck off! oh and takes some cash for his greedy family.

ahadabans
06-16-2012, 01:01 AM
So this "spare Jesus" just gives his fans couple of matches and says i'm too good for you! fuck off! oh and takes some cash for his greedy family.

Wow dude, you have fucking issues.

Jamoz
06-16-2012, 01:02 AM
Wow dude, you have fucking issues.

No shit Holmes.

superslam77
06-16-2012, 01:03 AM
back to the shadows!

ahadabans
06-16-2012, 01:10 AM
No shit Holmes.

LOL. I guess we all do to some degree. I sort of admire your brutal honestly. Peace brother.

cmoss
06-16-2012, 01:29 AM
Wimbly courts are slow as hell now.Nadal will have no problem.:o

ahadabans
06-16-2012, 01:31 AM
Wimbly courts are slow as hell now.Nadal will have no problem.:o

You realize the grass at Wimbledon has been the exact same since 2001, right?

Chase Visa
06-16-2012, 01:41 AM
Obvious tank is obvious.

I believe I even called this.

nole_no1
06-16-2012, 01:43 AM
Why cannot Kohli play like this everytime? Watch him losing to Haas 2-0 now

Tank? why should he tank? Travel to Halle to tank his 2nd match? I doubt it

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 01:44 AM
tank? lol nadal just can't play on real grass

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 01:52 AM
Tanked. NID. Nadal was tired after clay season where he actually dominated and not get spanked in semis like Olderer.

Rest up for the tournament that actually matters, champ. Let these peasants fight for scraps in these MM events. :yeah:

nole_no1
06-16-2012, 01:56 AM
Tanked. NID. Nadal was tired after clay season where he actually dominated and not get spanked in semis like Olderer.

Rest up for the tournament that actually matters, champ. Let these peasants fight for scraps in these MM events. :yeah:

He could not present if so :rolleyes: But of course everytime Nadal loses it's a tank

Jamoz
06-16-2012, 01:59 AM
Tanked. NID. Nadal was tired after clay season where he actually dominated and not get spanked in semis like Olderer.

Rest up for the tournament that actually matters, champ. Let these peasants fight for scraps in these MM events. :yeah:

But still, the money was good and that is all that matters to his greedy family. What a champion this Nadal, to travel all the way to Germany and lose the "mug" like Kohli! must be some huge insult to him :eek:

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 02:01 AM
Nadal was tired and uninterested..

While I would obviously want him to win, I recognize the importance of saving energy for the big one, so it's no surprise Nadal collected his fat appearance check and tanked to save strength. :wavey:

heya
06-16-2012, 02:02 AM
if most courts were so fast in 2002, why did roddick need his serving just to reach tiebreaks against bad opponents? fed has no prob on clay and grass, even when ballbashers show up. fed and nadal are just beaten by goat novak and any great player who tries instead of just pushes

Jamoz
06-16-2012, 02:03 AM
if most courts were so fast in 2002, why did roddick need his serving just to reach tiebreaks against bad opponents? fed has no prob on clay and grass, even when ballbashers show up. fed and nadal are just beaten by goat novak and any great player who tries instead of just pushing

This must be true if the ostrich?? says it.

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 02:14 AM
He could not present if so :rolleyes: But of course everytime Nadal loses it's a tank

either that, him being injured, or the court being unsafe yes

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 02:16 AM
either that, him being injured, or the court being unsafe yes

You can't honestly claim Nadal was giving it his all :rolleyes:

dazed1
06-16-2012, 02:17 AM
Obvious tank is obvious.

I believe I even called this.

:superlol::superlol::superlol::superlol::superlol: :facepalm:

Mimi
06-16-2012, 02:18 AM
:banghead: you shouldat least won one set :no:

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 02:19 AM
You can't honestly claim Nadal was giving it his all :rolleyes:

Maybe, maybe not, but even trying his best, he's not that great on fast grass, I could see Kohlschreiber beating him :shrug:

and please don't bring up the slow Wimbledon shit that has turned into clay by week 2:wavey:

Jamoz
06-16-2012, 02:20 AM
:banghead: you shouldat least won one set :no:

True entertainer this Nadal! Freddie Mercury of tennis :rolleyes: Let me entertain you!! (from the album Jazz 1978) :rolleyes:

Lugburz
06-16-2012, 02:22 AM
Nadal might have been tired and fatigued but certainly not uninterested.
I'd rather believe him what he said in his interview, rather than what his fans are claiming.

out_grinder
06-16-2012, 02:23 AM
In a perfect world, Nadal would actually play a sport he knows how to play, that's running along side Bolt

Please, anyone who knows anything about athletics knows that Nadal is beyond a joke in physical attributes. Yeh, he might be 'fast' for a tennis player, but Olympic athletics!?

Please, Nadal doesn't have anywhere near the fast twitch muscle fibers to compete at that level.

He's just another skinny-fat tennis player compared to Bolt and co.

Mimi
06-16-2012, 02:23 AM
True entertainer this Nadal! Freddie Mercury of tennis :rolleyes: Let me entertain you!! (from the album Jazz 1978) :rolleyes:

no, i was not saying he lost coz he tanked, he lost coz he was not playing better than his opponent, as simple as that. i was saying he should at least try to win one set to make it a better score

Jamoz
06-16-2012, 02:24 AM
Nadal might have been tired and fatigued but certainly not uninterested.
I'd rather believe him what he said in his interview, rather than what his fans are claiming.

So he played one more match (RG) than Fed who is 31yo! and he is tired, pussies are men these days.

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 02:25 AM
So he played one more match (RG) than Fed who is 31yo! and he is tired, pussies are men these days.

:secret: Nadal also played MC, Barcelona and won Rome. While Olderer was comfortably mugging around during that time.

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 02:25 AM
I love this result because now Roddick might draw Fed in round 1 of Wimbledon, along with the Isner/Mahut rematch number 2, it will be the awesomest 2 first round matches at Wimbledon

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 02:26 AM
:secret: Nadal also played MC, Barcelona and won Rome. While Olderer was comfortably mugging around during that time.

and Olderer was winning Madrid while Nadal was whining about a court being too fast:shrug:

Chase Visa
06-16-2012, 02:28 AM
and Olderer was winning Madrid while Nadal was whining about a court being too fast:shrug:

This.

I don't understand why this result is such a surprise anyway.

Jamoz
06-16-2012, 02:29 AM
:secret: Nadal also played MC, Barcelona and won Rome. While Olderer was comfortably mugging around during that time.

That is clay, he does that shit in his dreams! He is 26yo a man and in the prime of his life! and if he is getting tired from some three setters, he can fuck off.

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 02:30 AM
and Olderer was winning Madrid while Nadal was whining about a court being too fast:shrug:

He was right :shrug:

There were 3 ballbashers in semis (Tipsy/Berdych/Delpo)

That was NOT real clay.

We all know Olderer could only win on real clay during his absolute prime and had to rely on sped up clay to grab the titles in 2009/2012.

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 02:32 AM
He was right :shrug:

There were 3 ballbashers in semis (Tipsy/Berdych/Delpo)

That was NOT real clay.

We all know Olderer could only win on real clay during his absolute prime and had to rely on sped up clay to grab the titles in 2009/2012.

And Wimbledon is not real grass :shrug:

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 02:32 AM
That is clay, he does that shit in his dreams! He is 26yo a man and in the prime of his life! and if he is getting tired from some three setters, he can fuck off.

Nadal's clay schedule was most intensive, even more so than Djoker's who skipped Barca/Belgrade.

Djoker is resting after clay season, while Nadal was playing to get some practice. Honestly, you haters should stfu about this result. We all know Nadal only wanted 1-2 grass matches under his belt for practice and a fat paycheck for the apperance :lol:

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 02:35 AM
You say Nole skipped Belgrade like Nadal played it or something:lol:

neither played it so it's not like you can bring it up as a reason that Nadal played a more intensive clay season :stupid:

Jamoz
06-16-2012, 02:35 AM
Nadal's clay schedule was most intensive, even more so than Djoker's who skipped Barca/Belgrade.

Djoker is resting after clay season, while Nadal was playing to get some practice. Honestly, you haters should stfu about this result. We all know Nadal only wanted 1-2 grass matches under his belt for practice and a fat paycheck for the apperance :lol:

Just like i said, greedy family. And i don't give a shit about those rich assholes (Fed, Nole etc) they can fuck off. I like tennis just like i said before, but i have some zero love for those rich ****s (and "gold spoon" kids)

Lugburz
06-16-2012, 02:37 AM
And Wimbledon is not real grass :shrug:

if the grass has been slowed down, it loses its natural speed, therefore its not real grass :)

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 02:39 AM
Just like i said, greedy family. And i don't give a shit about those rich assholes (Fed, Nole etc) they can fuck off. I like tennis just like i said before, but i have some zero love for those rich ****s (and "gold spoon" kids)

What's your problem? They earned their money fair and square. If your problem is with too much prize money or endorsement deals, you shouldn't hate on players because they take advantage. If you were in Fed's/Nole's/Nadal's shoes you'd be happy raking in 30+ million a year.

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 02:39 AM
See, somebody gets it :yeah:

156mphserve
06-16-2012, 02:40 AM
What's your problem? They earned their money fair and square. If your problem is with too much prize money or endorsement deals, you shouldn't hate on players because they take advantage. If you were in Fed's/Nole's/Nadal's shoes you'd be happy raking in 30+ million a year.

I would donate it to charity :shrug:

Jamoz
06-16-2012, 02:43 AM
What's your problem? They earned their money fair and square. If your problem is with too much prize money or endorsement deals, you shouldn't hate on players because they take advantage. If you were in Fed's/Nole's/Nadal's shoes you'd be happy raking in 30+ million a year.

But i'm not in their shoes and i have no interest to be in their shoes. There is only one "love" in my life and that is my wife. Tennis is for me just an entertainment and that's it.

Corey Feldman
06-16-2012, 03:03 AM
stay pressed topspin mug, even Nadal losing here has you going nuts :lol:

whats the matter? shit already hitting the fan now that Nadull doesnt have his clay haven to rescue him anymore :baby:

enjoy the usual 10 month title drought coming up.

Topspindoctor
06-16-2012, 03:05 AM
stay pressed topspin mug, even Nadal losing here has you going nuts :lol:

whats the matter? shit already hitting the fan now that Nadull doesnt have his clay haven to rescue him anymore :baby:

enjoy the usual 10 month title drought coming up.

Enjoy the 2 and a half year slam title drought and counting for Olderer :drool:

Enjoy being a fan of a useless mug like Murray :yeah:

Stay mad, bro. :haha:

Hola Mr. SK
06-16-2012, 03:24 AM
Tank huh?
YES,Sir!
smart move by Nadal.

Looner
06-16-2012, 03:30 AM
even though Kohli had never beaten Nadal, he had often given him many problems, certainly it was his best chance and he took it, happy for him :yeah:

Wimbledon's grass in second week is completely different from the conditions in Halle and Nadal will be much better prepared (even though the supposed player "who only wins because of hard work, not because of his talent" :rolleyes: will not practice on grass for nearly one week : shows that he's very talented indeed even though he says the opposite for his legend)


Indeed this. Well done, Kohli who has given RN so many good matches and deserves a victory.

Nadal is still firmly favourite for the green clay courts at SW19 though.

Ashlar77
06-16-2012, 03:52 AM
Expected.

tribalfusion
06-16-2012, 05:04 AM
Nadal's record on faster grass besides his Queens win in 08 is very ordinary. He's lost to:

His bf LaLo
Mahut
Tsonga
Waske
Kohlschreiber

And Muller and Srichaphan when the Wimbledon grass was quicker.

Just shows how vulnerable he actually is on fast grass. Low bounce, difficult to use topspin, moonballing ineffective, can't return serve and gets outhit.

that's why his 2008 Queens win was one of his most impressive career titles. Managed to get by despite these weaknesses.

Despite your obvious mental liabilities, surely you can grasp that Nadal arrives at THE FIRST TOURNAMENT AFTER THE GRAND SLAM AND MASTERS THAT HE ALMOST ALWAYS WINS rather tired with less time to adapt on the new surface.

That MIGHT be a relevant factor.

Take some time and let that sink in, princess.

EliSter
06-16-2012, 05:41 AM
Lol at tard wars over 13 pages for not important match. This was NID result, Nadull didnt care :zzz:

Imz25
06-16-2012, 05:44 AM
A loss in an ATP 250 event. This means a lot, haters.

abraxas21
06-16-2012, 05:51 AM
Now you people really need to make up your mind, because you are constantly harping about some sort of Nadal conspiracy, like if Uncle Toni was behind new strings and slower courts, and then you provide a link that clearly states that the grass at Wimby was changed way back in 2001 (before Fed's streak of wins!!!).

Thank you for the argument. I assume that now you'll accept your own evidence and from now on will state that, while Nadal maybe the player lucky enough to have a game better adapted to changes introduced before his time, he is in no way the cause of those changes, far less the culprit.

I really want to thank you, Abraxas, excellent imput. Now just stick by your own words!!
you should know the uncle toni conspiracy theory is only a joke.

BroTree123
06-16-2012, 05:52 AM
Pretty NID.

dabeast
06-16-2012, 06:22 AM
always knew Kohli had it in him :yeah:

TMJordan
06-16-2012, 06:46 AM
:)

madmax
06-16-2012, 07:17 AM
perfect result for the game - a talented headcase finally overcoming his demons and beating untalented, cheating, moonballing disgrace on real fast grass court. Too bad Wimby and it's green dirt plays nothing like Germany's finest grass though

Foxy
06-16-2012, 07:50 AM
Expected tank. On to Wimbledon and Olympics! ;)

MIMIC
06-16-2012, 07:56 AM
Why couldn't this be Wimbledon? :p

MaxPower
06-16-2012, 08:09 AM
Kohli roasting Nadal? Good start of the weekend. Fresh piggy roast for all

Acer
06-16-2012, 08:18 AM
Bitch should be fined

Avi14
06-16-2012, 08:43 AM
LOL rafa reached wimby finals for the past 5 years that he's played in.Each and every single time he would just play a few rounds in the pre-wimby warm up tournaments.

It's obvious that he doesn't give his 100% in these tournaments.He did try a bit yesterday but i don't think he wanted to stretch himself against kohli.

Still these haters think it's some kind of a huge upset :eek: wasn't this on the cards all the time :)

Commander Data
06-16-2012, 08:53 AM
Some amusing shit in this thread.

Dougie
06-16-2012, 09:00 AM
Great win for Kohli, couple of good warm-up matches and an expected tank for Nadal, everyone goes home happy! If someone thinks Rafa and Toni wonīt be laughing all the way to London theyīre delusional. I dont mean to take anything away from Kohli, but seriously, same match-up at either Wimbledon or Olympics would be 3-0 for Nadal, unfortunately.

nalbyfan
06-16-2012, 09:14 AM
Happy day for tennis

Glad to see the worst palyer ever that Fatdall is lose in 2 sets

Congrats Kholi

Jovard
06-16-2012, 09:24 AM
I just had an orgasm. Great job, taking out the trash :hearts:

Allez
06-16-2012, 09:41 AM
LOL rafa reached wimby finals for the past 5 years that he's played in.Each and every single time he would just play a few rounds in the pre-wimby warm up tournaments.

It's obvious that he doesn't give his 100% in these tournaments.He did try a bit yesterday but i don't think he wanted to stretch himself against kohli.

Still these haters think it's some kind of a huge upset :eek: wasn't this on the cards all the time :)

Well cut the haterz some slack. They do not have a lot to cheer about at the moment. This is a three week reprieve for them. Come Wimbledon time, they are going to go back to being as miserable as ever ;) Yet another Wimbledon final for Rafa following yet another expected tanking at a MM 250. These 250 events are beneath the likes of Rafa and Nole.

ahadabans
06-16-2012, 09:48 AM
Well cut the haterz some slack. They do not have a lot to cheer about at the moment. This is a three week reprieve for them. Come Wimbledon time, they are going to go back to being as miserable as ever ;) Yet another Wimbledon final for Rafa following yet another expected tanking at a MM 250. These 250 events are beneath the likes of Rafa and Nole.

Nole didn't even show up, that's how much he cares about Halle. 250 events are warmups to the top players. The only guy who routinely wins these events on grass is Federer (in his youth anyway), and that was because he was so good on grass he really couldn't lose even if he tried to tank a match.

Speaking of which... why the fuck is the grass season like 5 minutes anyway? Why aren't there any masters series events on this surface? Seems stupid that clay season is 3 months, hard court season is like 6 months and grass gets the shaft. It's an exciting surface that requires a very different skill set to win on. I don't understand how it got so disparate. Weren't all 4 slams on grass/clay at one point? WTF happened? Hard courts are terrible for the joints, yet they gobble up more than half the season.

Avi14
06-16-2012, 09:58 AM
This is a three week reprieve for them. Come Wimbledon time, they are going to go back to being as miserable as ever ;) Yet another Wimbledon final for Rafa following yet another expected tanking at a MM 250. These 250 events are beneath the likes of Rafa and Nole.

Couldn't agree more seems the non-slam period is the best time for these haters to troll and let out their frustration.


Speaking of which... why the fuck is the grass season like 5 minutes anyway?

I believe the grass courts are really hard to maintain and only the European countries have a suitable climate to maintain them.

ahadabans
06-16-2012, 10:00 AM
I believe the grass courts are really hard to maintain and only the European countries have a suitable climate to maintain them.

Fair enough. Clearly, they need a lot of attention and the right climate. But still, the grass season is like 3 weeks long. They really need to add a masters series event and move Wimbledon out two weeks.

duarte_a
06-16-2012, 10:01 AM
perfect result for the game - a talented headcase finally overcoming his demons and beating untalented, cheating, moonballing disgrace on real fast grass court. Too bad Wimby and it's green dirt plays nothing like Germany's finest grass though

This. Djokovic and nadal had no business winning wimbledon. Just look at last year's final, it looked they were playing on clay.

What a disgrace for tennis and wimbledon... :o

MIMIC
06-16-2012, 10:03 AM
Wow...I don't even like Nadal that much but some of these comments are just way over the top :eek:

This. Djokovic and nadal had no business winning wimbledon. Just look at last year's final, it looked they were playing on clay.

What a disgrace for tennis and wimbledon... :o

One could just as easily say that Fed had no business winning RG.

Avi14
06-16-2012, 10:03 AM
But still, the grass season is like 3 weeks long. They really need to add a masters series event and move Wimbledon out two weeks.

Yep they should try to postpone wimbledon or pre-pone the French open and fit in a "Masters event" on Grass.

The time gap between the French and wimby is also one of the major reasons for the short grass court season.They should seriously try to fit in some events.

I love grass but it's the shortest season :o

Hian-GOAT
06-16-2012, 10:04 AM
Does this mean that Kohlscreiber would have deserved RG more than Shitdal? :lick:

duarte_a
06-16-2012, 10:14 AM
This. Djokovic and nadal had no business winning wimbledon. Just look at last year's final, it looked they were playing on clay.

What a disgrace for tennis and wimbledon... :o

Wow...I don't even like Nadal that much but some of these comments are just way over the top :eek:



One could just as easily say that Fed had no business winning RG.

I agree.

Mystique
06-16-2012, 10:18 AM
Kohli gets the deserved win against Nadal finally. Nadal gets his two grass court matches, pockets a huge appearance fee to show the organisers and now off for an overdue rest.
Unsurprising result really. :shrug:

I am not saying Nadal tanked clearly, but from what I saw, he didnt seem to have the energy to push Kohli and make something happen like he does in the bigger tournaments. But there you have it, thats how Nadal usually wins when the opponent plays well. Today, it was just a battle of tennis on a grass court that plays like one, it was always going to be a tough battle.

Mateya
06-16-2012, 10:44 AM
:haha:

Have a deserved vacation and get rested for Wimbledon, Clay monster. One good massage from Xisca and he'll soon be a Grass monster. :D

Great win for Kohli. :)

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-16-2012, 11:29 AM
suck it down one trick pony
one surface player sucks
lucky all slams play the same

lucky to have wta draw for his US open fluke

what a shit player

Sonja1989
06-16-2012, 11:37 AM
Great play by Kohli, would be great if he can defend his title but at least play a final.

Just an curiosity, it's the 5th loss in QFs for Nadal at Queen's/Halle, once he won the QF, took the title. It was NOT a tank, Nadal would have won against an avarage player but clearly it wasn't his best level but I think all because he didn't have enough time for using the grass.

Fireballer
06-16-2012, 12:07 PM
All Slams play the same?Why isnt Nadal winning US Open 7 years in a row?

Filo V.
06-16-2012, 12:12 PM
Awesome performance from Kohli, he really took it to Rafa. I'm so happy for him to finally put to an end his losing streak against Rafa at a home country event, probably one of the best two or three wins in his career. Rafa had his chances in the second set to get the break and get into the match, but he was brutal. Tons of mishits, bad movement, bad returning, bad backhands. He didn't look comfortable, a lot due to the surface, and a lot due to Kohli's play.

Rafa didn't tank, he simply got outplayed by the better player on the day and on this surface.

duong
06-16-2012, 12:13 PM
This event is indoors I believe. The conditions are totally different.

And if I'm not mistaken, this is 100% Rye just like Wimbledon. Queen's is faster because it uses a different blend. But not Halle. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't know about the seed, but Halle is not indoors, they only have a roof in case it rains

duong
06-16-2012, 12:15 PM
Why cannot Kohli play like this everytime? Watch him losing to Haas 2-0 now

Kohli usually plays well against Nadal, usually just makes the small errors which make him lose on a surface where Nadal can defend better.

He's a great player.

duong
06-16-2012, 12:18 PM
I dont mean to take anything away from Kohli, but seriously, same match-up at either Wimbledon or Olympics would be 3-0 for Nadal, unfortunately.

Seriously I would like to see that in Wimbledon first week, I'm not sure at all what you say.

Dougie
06-16-2012, 12:19 PM
Awesome performance from Kohli, he really took it to Rafa. I'm so happy for him to finally put to an end his losing streak against Rafa at a home country event, probably one of the best two or three wins in his career. Rafa had his chances in the second set to get the break and get into the match, but he was brutal. Tons of mishits, bad movement, bad returning, bad backhands. He didn't look comfortable, a lot due to the surface, and a lot due to Kohli's play.

Rafa didn't tank, he simply got outplayed by the better player on the day and on this surface.

Kohli played well, but Nadal didnīt really even try. Tanking is maybe a little too strong word, but itīs not like he fought for the win at any point. Itīs a good result for both.

buzz
06-16-2012, 12:25 PM
Kohli played well, but Nadal didnīt really even try. Tanking is maybe a little too strong word, but itīs not like he fought for the win at any point. Itīs a good result for both.

Well if he came here to only try in his first match, it is a bit of a shameful appearance fee catch in my opinion.

He did act a little frustrated a some points in the match so I give him the benefit of the doubt;)

Allez
06-16-2012, 12:29 PM
Rafa has made nearly 50 million in tournament prize money alone. He didn't go to Halle for an appearance fee :facepalm: He wanted to get a feel of the grass before Wimbledon, where need I remind you he has been a finalist every year he's competed there since 2006 :lol:

Looner
06-16-2012, 12:31 PM
Kohli played well, but Nadal didnīt really even try. Tanking is maybe a little too strong word, but itīs not like he fought for the win at any point. Itīs a good result for both.

Yup, like how Nadal didn't even try when he almost lost to Pertschner Haase in 2010 at Wimbledon.

Corey Feldman
06-16-2012, 12:34 PM
Rafa has made nearly 50 million in tournament prize money alone. He didn't go to Halle for an appearance fee :facepalm: He wanted to get a feel of the grass before Wimbledon, where need I remind you he has been a finalist every year he's competed there since 2006 :lol:No he came here coz he wasnt happy with British tax issues playing at Queens, so it was still a money related issue

STUHL
06-16-2012, 12:34 PM
Awesome performance from Kohli, he really took it to Rafa. I'm so happy for him to finally put to an end his losing streak against Rafa at a home country event, probably one of the best two or three wins in his career. Rafa had his chances in the second set to get the break and get into the match, but he was brutal. Tons of mishits, bad movement, bad returning, bad backhands. He didn't look comfortable, a lot due to the surface, and a lot due to Kohli's play.

Rafa didn't tank, he simply got outplayed by the better player on the day and on this surface.Great Post Filo :worship:

tripwires
06-16-2012, 12:41 PM
Pretty expected result but still pretty funny. :haha:

Now lose to Haas, Kohli. :hearts:

Kat_YYZ
06-16-2012, 12:47 PM
Rafa has made nearly 50 million in tournament prize money alone. He didn't go to Halle for an appearance fee :facepalm: He wanted to get a feel of the grass before Wimbledon, where need I remind you he has been a finalist every year he's competed there since 2006 :lol:

sorry but this is really a bit ridiculous. he can 'get a feel' for grass on a practice court with a decent hitting partner. You act like there's no other opportunity to play on grass. These guys can hire a grass court somewhere and play with another ATP player who isn't signed up in a tourney (in Nadal's case, some Spanish buddy like Almagro or Ferrer). How much are you really learning about your form on grass by playing only one competitive match -- against world #58 Lacko?

Either he came for the appearance fee only (and should be fined for lack of effort), or he came to play and was beaten by Kohli fair and square.

duong
06-16-2012, 01:03 PM
Rafa has made nearly 50 million in tournament prize money alone. He didn't go to Halle for an appearance fee :facepalm: He wanted to get a feel of the grass before Wimbledon, where need I remind you he has been a finalist every year he's competed there since 2006 :lol:

I agree that he also came here to practise (or play, it's the same thing) but what Nadal has done in past years shows that money is very important in the management of his carreer.

Also he clearly said that he came here rather than Queens for money reasons (I don't think it was for ideological reasons because he was firmly against taxes :lol: )

I think the people around him are very eager for money, and Halle gave him 1 million dollars.

Sri
06-16-2012, 01:05 PM
I agree that he also came here to practise (or play, it's the same thing) but what Nadal has done in past years shows that money is very important in the management of his carreer.

I think the people around him are very eager for money, and Halle gave him 1 million dollars.

And you know for certain he is a saint himself?

Making money is not a crime, if Rafa comes here for more $$, fair enough. He is good enough to command such options where he can choose between tournaments.

duong
06-16-2012, 01:10 PM
And you know for certain he is a saint himself?

Making money is not a crime, if Rafa comes here for more $$, fair enough. He is good enough to command such options where he can choose between tournaments.

I know nothing for certain, I just say what I think, besides I didn't say making money was a crime, I would rather say that I've constantly seen on MTF, people constantly underrate the role of money in the players' management of their carreer, for instance when they say "there's no point Almagro comes playing here" or "Verdasco coming to Prostejov to qualify for the Olympics" etc ... I think MTFers are unrealistic on that topic.

Sri
06-16-2012, 01:14 PM
I know nothing for certain, I just say what I think, besides I didn't say making money was a crime, I would rather say that I've constantly seen on MTF, people constantly underrate the role of money in the players' management of their carreer, for instance when they say "there's no point Almagro comes playing here" or "Verdasco coming to Prostejov to qualify for the Olympics" etc ... I think MTFers are unrealistic on that topic.
Ah, I must have misread what you wrote. Sorry if I sounded confrontational!

Ash86
06-16-2012, 01:17 PM
sorry but this is really a bit ridiculous. he can 'get a feel' for grass on a practice court with a decent hitting partner. You act like there's no other opportunity to play on grass. These guys can hire a grass court somewhere and play with another ATP player who isn't signed up in a tourney (in Nadal's case, some Spanish buddy like Almagro or Ferrer). How much are you really learning about your form on grass by playing only one competitive match -- against world #58 Lacko?

Either he came for the appearance fee only (and should be fined for lack of effort), or he came to play and was beaten by Kohli fair and square.

Why he came here is simple:

- He wants to get the feel of grass after claycourt season ASAP & for him competitive matchplay is the only way to judge things. Even if he loses a match getting 2-3 hours on grass in competitive conditions helps him - in his opinion. Some like Nole are happy with exhibitions - Nadal isn't like that -he always practices the most and needs time on court - he's said that the year he didn't focus on grass i.e. 2005 - 1st round loss in Halle as he was celebrating RG too much and not focusing on Wimbledon, he felt underprepared. There are no grass courts in Mallorca so either he turns up in England 2 weeks before Wimbledon and spends a month there - which makes no sense - or he plays a tournament, goes home for some rest and then comes back to practice at Wimbledon next week.

- He won't play the week before a slam, like most top players i.e. 2 options for grass court play pre-Wimbledon - either Queens or Halle.

- Queens pros: Better grass quality; history and tradition; he likes the tournament and the people - good memories. Queens cons: Rain, Rain, Rain; Tax, Tax, Tax - he loses money by playing there because the money he wins for 2-3 matches doesn't make up for the tax he pays on overall endorsement income just for the privilege of being in the UK for 5 days.

- Halle pros: Roof, Roof, Roof - none of the pesky rain delays that have so frustrated him and others at Queens in the last few years - you get your matches finished and it's guaranteed; No Tax Issues and Big Appearance Fee; smaller draw and so Thursday start. Halle cons: Not as good quality grass; doesn't suit his game as well as lower bounce; not as traditional and intimate.

- This year Halle made total sense - start on Thursday rather than Friday, play under a roof and not be having to play 6 sets in a day like Nalby did yesterday and also earn some money, play in Germany after 4 years and give German fans a chance to see him play too.

Those reasons make sense - he got the few matches he wanted. Phillip won fair and square - Phillip played a great, aggressive match and Nadal said as much. He obviously was not going to fight like if it was Wimbledon which is why the loss isn't that significant and actually overall positive for him - gets a few days at home. It's still a loss though, still counts and isn't a tank in the sense that he went on court trying to lose - he just conserved some energy.

Finally from the man himself - key quote - "I didn't have the energy to change the situation" - not tanking, just a bit out of gas:

Q: It was obviously a very tiring final in Paris. Did that catch up with you today?

NADAL: It’s not the moment to try to find excuses, to try to find why I lost today. Why I lost today is easy, he played much better than me. My movements were not good to play against a player, who hits every ball hard, aggressive. He was playing the ball very fast. So, I need a little bit more time. But playing against him here in my second match on grass only having a few hours of practice was very difficult today.

Q: What happened to your backhand because you had to slice all the time?

NADAL: The bounces are very low here. You need time to practice a little bit, you need time to adjust your shots. But that time was not. I said the first day that you need to remember how to hit the ball on grass. Probably I will practice in Wimbledon next week. The bounces here are a bit lower than in Wimbledon. The weather conditions for the last days and today playing indoors makes the court more difficult for me, especially with no time. So, that’s all. Nothing happened with my backhand. I was hitting fantastic my backhand five days ago. So, I didn’t lose my backhand.

Q: I think that today it was also mentally a problem to stay focussed on the match?

NADAL: No, I saw that he was better than me. I saw that I was suffering much more than me when I was serving. And I saw that I didn’t have that energy to change to the situation. If the match today is against a player, who plays worse, sure my mental part is going to be there because I’m going to see my options. But today in the beginning it was tough for me having the break and then he served well. I think it’s more a tennis problem than a mental problem because when your tennis is not working the mental part is more difficult.

Q: When you see in Queens the top two seeds are out, you are out. So it’s difficult for the top players to make the transition from Roland Garros obviously?

NADAL: Sure, the transition is difficult but it depends on how much time you have. And don’t forget that playing on grass best of three sometimes is a little bit more of a lottery. It’s a fast court. It’s a court where you don’t have time for nothing. If you have mistake with your serve probably you lose the set. So, that’s the game here on grass. If you’re not playing with full confidence, fully adapted, every match is more of a lottery. Best of three especially, everything is very quick.

Q: Djokovic chose not to play this week. Could you do the same in the future?

NADAL: No. You don’t know what’s going on in the future but I played this week every time for the last eight years. I didn’t play in 2009 because I had a big problem with the knee. It always worked fantastic for me. Usually, I don’t play the week before the Grand Slam. I understand that even if I lost today, the match of today, the match of yesterday, these few days of practice on grass helped me a lot. Hopefully, next year I will be back here.

Allez
06-16-2012, 01:40 PM
Precisely :yeah:

peribsen
06-16-2012, 03:07 PM
Please, anyone who knows anything about athletics knows that Nadal is beyond a joke in physical attributes. Yeh, he might be 'fast' for a tennis player, but Olympic athletics!?

Please, Nadal doesn't have anywhere near the fast twitch muscle fibers to compete at that level.

He's just another skinny-fat tennis player compared to Bolt and co.

Well, athletics is not only about the 100m dash. With his body build, Nadal could possibly have made a pretty decent decathlon athlete.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-16-2012, 03:18 PM
i wish federer could have taken this trash to school on real grass

ServeVolley
06-16-2012, 05:07 PM
i wish federer could have taken this trash to school on real grass

I know right? Could've been another 3 and 0. :p

Pajero de Nadal
06-16-2012, 05:46 PM
So sad that Nadal is Ijured again. If not for Injuries, Nadal would have 20+ slams!

Pajero de Nadal
06-16-2012, 05:49 PM
Well, athletics is not only about the 100m dash. With his body build, Nadal could possibly have made a pretty decent decathlon athlete.

i agree. Nadal is built like an animal!

ServeVolley
06-16-2012, 06:03 PM
So sad that Nadal is Ijured again.

Injured? :scratch:

TigerTim
06-16-2012, 06:04 PM
i agree. Nadal is built like an animal!

Looks like one too.............:p

peribsen
06-16-2012, 06:23 PM
17 pages for a defeat in a minor tournament just 3 days after taking an 11th slam!!!

My, are haters sour about RG!! Will you people man up a bit and learn to take it in the jaw, or will you continue whining and revealing to the world just how much pissed off you are? Your weakness is really pathetic to watch, please stop it. If you don't have a sense of self-ridicule, please do it to spare others the shame you make them feel for you.

Pajero de Nadal
06-16-2012, 06:33 PM
Injured? :scratch:

yes. my opinion. have a problem with that? maybe just bad rep me again because i have diferent opinion than you. no?

Pajero de Nadal
06-16-2012, 06:34 PM
17 pages for a defeat in a minor tournament just 3 days after taking an 11th slam!!!

My, are haters sour about RG!! Will you people man up a bit and learn to take it in the jaw, or will you continue whining and revealing to the world just how much pissed off you are? Your weakness is really pathetic to watch, please stop it. If you don't have a sense of self-ridicule, please do it to spare others the shame you make them feel for you.

you are a great poster. i totally agree!

TigerTim
06-16-2012, 06:36 PM
yes. my opinion. have a problem with that? maybe just bad rep me again because i have diferent opinion than you. no?

:hug:

Sapeod
06-16-2012, 06:37 PM
This is how all of Nadal's matches should, and would've gone if they hadn't slowed down the grass.

Ibracadabra
06-16-2012, 06:39 PM
Professional rafatards.

Better for tennis that the moonballer lost.