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Your today's top 10 with the 80's racquets

SheepleBuster
06-14-2012, 09:40 PM
These days we hear a lot from folks like McEnroe talking about how some players of today would not be successful with old racquet technologies. So here is my question. Let's assume the powers that be decided to ban today's tennis racquet and required use of old racquets from the early 80s. What would the top 10 of today look like This is a hypothetical question. I am just curious how you would rate players of today as far as being able to play with older technology.

Any thoughts?

thrust
06-14-2012, 09:49 PM
Just like the players of the wood era would adapt to modern rackets, today's players would adapt and still be champions. The game would be different, but the results would mostly be the same.

Pajero de Nadal
06-14-2012, 09:50 PM
Somepin like this :

Nadal
Djokovic
Monaco
Soderling
Almagro
Dodig
Lopez
Ferrer
Fucsovic
Mahut

SheepleBuster
06-14-2012, 09:52 PM
Somepin like this :

Nadal
Djokovic
Monaco
Soderling
Almagro
Dodig
Lopez
Ferrer
Fucsovic
Mahut

I would argue that Nole and Nadal would not be as good with old tech.

Fireballer
06-14-2012, 10:02 PM
I would argue that Nole and Nadal would not be as good with old tech.

and why not?

SheepleBuster
06-14-2012, 10:04 PM
and why not?

Well, Rafa, I am not sure he could get the amount of spin he gets with the old racquets. Even John and Pat McEnroe and Rod Laver have said some of the shots the top guys pull would not be possible with older racquets.

Looner
06-14-2012, 10:10 PM
Lol at RN being in the top 10 with wooden rackets. He can't volley to save his life so he stands 0 chance to do well even on these dumb slow courts. I am not so sure about others but I'll give it a quick go.

Federer will probably adapt, Djokovic might be affected due to reduced returning ability as well as smaller racket head, Murray should be ok, Tsonga may excel, Berdych would probably be dreadful as he'll lack control, Ferrer would still run and retrieve and suffer less from lack of spin, Del Potro won't be able to fire off bullets with wooden rackets.

Tipsarevic and Isner I am not so sure about.

RNW
06-14-2012, 10:46 PM
With the 80s racquets it's more about technique and less about power and spin.
And the 80s courts were faster as well.

So we can say - all in all, very general - grass court specialists from today or players with nice technique (and probably more with offensive gamestyles) would have more chances.

Federer would probably be the best with those racquets.

Haas, Haase, F. Mayer, Mahut, Llodra or Tomic would have been very good with those racquets.

Players like Nadal, Djokovic, Murray or Ferrer probably prefer the modern racquets from today.

Today, the rallies between Lu and Tipsarevic were a bit of a reminder of older times because Lu plays with so much technique.
I think that the moment he touches the ball in every shot is very short.

The best example of a player from today who plays like in the 80s or 90s is on the women's side:
Kimiko Date Krumm.
Her racquet is very big and special, and her technique is very special.
She touches the ball for only a very short time.

All in all,
players from today who only a short time period of touching the ball.
A short "contact point",
because with those older racquets you can't play with longer "contact point".

Leo
06-14-2012, 11:17 PM
This is actually an interesting thread, better than comparing generations hopelessly. My first two instincts when I read that question were: Federer and Murray. 80s was an era of early graphite rackets, faster and more varied surfaces, players with great technique and timing and obviously much lesser spin. Andy and Rog would be tough.

PiggyGotRoasted
06-14-2012, 11:25 PM
The top players would obviously be Federer, Murray, Tsonga, Isner, Lopez, Gasquet, Warinka, Tomic and Nalbandian.

SheepleBuster
06-14-2012, 11:28 PM
This is actually an interesting thread, better than comparing generations hopelessly. My first two instincts when I read that question were: Federer and Murray. 80s was an era of early graphite rackets, faster and more varied surfaces, players with great technique and timing and obviously much lesser spin. Andy and Rog would be tough.

I think Federer and Murray would do well. Some crafty guys like Stepanek would do well too but obviously not win slams. I don't know. It's tough to think how the grand slam total would look like if people played with such racquets from let's say 2004

stewietennis
06-14-2012, 11:38 PM
Obviously, Federer's more rounded skill set (and being the oldest probably means he was exposed to it more as a youngster) would translate pretty well to the older rackets so he'd likely be #1. IMHO Djokovic and Nadal would still be in any combination of #2 and #3. Although their current style of play is influenced by modern racket technology, these two would adapt just as quickly to the older rackets as the rest of the Top 10. The racket is just one part of the game and the courts are still the same, so Djokovic and Nadal still hold a major advantage in skill, adaptability, movement, technique, fitness and other intangibles such as clutch play and not choking over the rest of the field. Some say Nadal will not get the amount of spin that he's used to with the older racket, which is true. but once he reaches the maximum amount of spin possible with older racket, the rest of the field will have to work out how to deal with that much spin with their older racket – works both ways.

Caesar1844
06-15-2012, 12:12 AM
It's not physically possible to play the way a lot of modern players do with a wooden racquet and be effective. Nadal, for example, simply would not be able to hit his forehand. He would have to reinvent his game. Great/talented athlete or not, that is a crippling disadvantage.

The advantage would go to the players who have to retool their strokes as little as possible. That means big servers, and players with a more classical style.

Topspindoctor
06-15-2012, 12:14 AM
Lol at RN being in the top 10 with wooden rackets. He can't volley to save his life so he stands 0 chance to do well even on these dumb slow courts. I am not so sure about others but I'll give it a quick go.

Federer will probably adapt, Djokovic might be affected due to reduced returning ability as well as smaller racket head, Murray should be ok, Tsonga may excel, Berdych would probably be dreadful as he'll lack control, Ferrer would still run and retrieve and suffer less from lack of spin, Del Potro won't be able to fire off bullets with wooden rackets.

Tipsarevic and Isner I am not so sure about.

John McEnroe would disagree. And I would take the opinion of a 7 time GS champ over an opinion of a forum troll like you anyday :wavey:

Ibracadabra
06-15-2012, 12:16 AM
Nalbandian #1

leng jai
06-15-2012, 12:17 AM
Well pretty much any flat hitter with decent volleys would be doing a lot better than they are now.

SheepleBuster
06-15-2012, 12:22 AM
John McEnroe would disagree. And I would take the opinion of a 7 time GS champ over an opinion of a forum troll like you anyday :wavey:

I agree. Nadal's volley would not be an issue. But his serve and his forehand would be affected. Now if the courts are the same, he would still be tough to beat. :)

Caesar1844
06-15-2012, 12:22 AM
Depends what you mean by being a good volleyer. Nadal has much softer hands at the net than he used to, and has perfected the drop-volley for finishing off points.

That said, I don't think his volley technique is very good in a traditional sense. He can come to the net to clean up points, but he often looks pretty lost if someone brings him there on their terms, or if he has to take control of the point and dominate from there.

Not that many modern players are better. When the majority of the field are lost inside the service line, a modicum of touch at the net is manna from heaven. Players aren't as comfortable with passing shots as they used to be, so that helps.

Looner
06-15-2012, 12:25 AM
John McEnroe would disagree. And I would take the opinion of a 7 time GS champ over an opinion of a forum troll like you anyday :wavey:

The same McEnroe that said RN had a better serve and volleys than Federer? He sucks as a commentator as he says what he sees in one single point. Mind you, I don't claim to know my tennis all that well at all but Mac is seriously not a benchmark for opinions.

RN can put away medium volleys in difficulty after approaching off of a good, deep top-spinning FH. He won't be able to hit that angled shot with old rackets. Now do you want to contribute something to the thread?

viruzzz
06-15-2012, 12:27 AM
This "ifs..." threads are breeding all over MTF.
They're so many.
They're there, you can't escape 'em.

SheepleBuster
06-15-2012, 12:29 AM
This "ifs..." threads are breeding all over MTF.
They're so many.
They're there, you can't escape 'em.

Come on, it's fun, no? It's better than Novak Nadal, endless discussion or Federer's marital problems threads ..

stewietennis
06-15-2012, 12:42 AM
The same McEnroe that said RN had a better serve and volleys than Federer? He sucks as a commentator as he says what he sees in one single point. Mind you, I don't claim to know my tennis all that well at all but Mac is seriously not a benchmark for opinions.

His opinions still count for more than anyone's on this forum though

Looner
06-15-2012, 12:45 AM
Not when he watches tennis 1 month in a year they don't. Seriously, he can comment accurately on the players when he can watch them play but he cannot be objective about their whole game.

neme6
06-15-2012, 01:25 AM
I remember a few years ago, (in Fed's prime) he tried somekind of really old racquet just to see how good he was at hitting the ball or something, and he excelled where everyobdy else sucked, if I remembered correctly he was the best by far, so... obviously, Fed would be the best right now with an 80s racquet

Topspindoctor
06-15-2012, 01:28 AM
The same McEnroe that said RN had a better serve and volleys than Federer? He sucks as a commentator as he says what he sees in one single point. Mind you, I don't claim to know my tennis all that well at all but Mac is seriously not a benchmark for opinions.

RN can put away medium volleys in difficulty after approaching off of a good, deep top-spinning FH. He won't be able to hit that angled shot with old rackets. Now do you want to contribute something to the thread?

Nadal's volleys are amazing. I don't understand why people say they aren't. :confused: Because he's primarly a baseliner? The technique on his volleys is sound, he knows when to approach the net at the right time and he rarely gets passed. He can even throw in some S&V on faster surfaces as a surprise. I don't understand why people have to hate and can't give credit. McEnroe is right to say that Nadal had great volleys.

Clay Death
06-15-2012, 01:30 AM
mods please drag this thread outside and hurl it into a city sewer where rats can piss on it all night. thanks.

Looner
06-15-2012, 01:35 AM
Nadal's volleys are amazing. I don't understand why people say they aren't. :confused: Because he's primarly a baseliner? The technique on his volleys is sound, he knows when to approach the net at the right time and he rarely gets passed. He can even throw in some S&V on faster surfaces as a surprise. I don't understand why people have to hate and can't give credit. McEnroe is right to say that Nadal had great volleys.

He's good when he needs to approach but it's all according to his comfort zone. He'll need to do it all the time and without the comfort of his amazing approach top-spin shots, I don't see him being that good. Just my 2 cents.

Lugburz
06-15-2012, 01:36 AM
mods please drag this thread outside and hurl it into a city sewer where rats can piss on it all night. thanks.

:haha: good ol' hercules

Lugburz
06-15-2012, 01:38 AM
btw don't know about the 80's but as for 1900's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q16pnNQfYYQ :p

Caesar1844
06-15-2012, 01:53 AM
Nadal's volleys are amazing. I don't understand why people say they aren't. :confused: Because he's primarly a baseliner? The technique on his volleys is sound, he knows when to approach the net at the right time and he rarely gets passed. He can even throw in some S&V on faster surfaces as a surprise. I don't understand why people have to hate and can't give credit. McEnroe is right to say that Nadal had great volleys.
Naw. He has one of the best drop-volleys in the game, but other than that his volleying is pretty average.

He is an excellent judge of when to volley though. He doesn't overestimate his own abilities and only approaches when it makes sense to do so, or against players who can't pass for shit. As a result he doesn't get beaten at the net very often.

SheepleBuster
06-15-2012, 01:57 AM
mods please drag this thread outside and hurl it into a city sewer where rats can piss on it all night. thanks.

You're a joke. But one that acts like a POS. Not only an Internet bully but also a troll

leng jai
06-15-2012, 02:03 AM
http://www.sportweek.fr/commun/src/c0/2006-marat-safin-pose-tenue-autre-temps-avec-tommy-haas-lors-c7739.jpg

stewietennis
06-15-2012, 02:24 AM
Not when he watches tennis 1 month in a year they don't. Seriously, he can comment accurately on the players when he can watch them play but he cannot be objective about their whole game.

Actually they do. He probably knows more about the game and the players than everyone on this forum put together.

BTW, are you sure he only watches tennis one month per year – you do know he has a tennis academy right?

Mountaindewslave
06-15-2012, 02:37 AM
Lol at RN being in the top 10 with wooden rackets. He can't volley to save his life so he stands 0 chance to do well even on these dumb slow courts. I am not so sure about others but I'll give it a quick go.

Federer will probably adapt, Djokovic might be affected due to reduced returning ability as well as smaller racket head, Murray should be ok, Tsonga may excel, Berdych would probably be dreadful as he'll lack control, Ferrer would still run and retrieve and suffer less from lack of spin, Del Potro won't be able to fire off bullets with wooden rackets.

Tipsarevic and Isner I am not so sure about.

Rafael Nadal is one of the best volleyer's on tour..... :o

how embarassing, trying to attack Nadal always but failing when you get the chance... I mean it would be one thing to comment on his lack of spin with wooden rackets and how his serve might be even a bigger weakness than it already is if forced to use wooden, but his volleying? do you know what you are talking about at all?

Looner
06-15-2012, 02:38 AM
Show me one point where Nadal has made a very difficult volley when he hasn't chosen to come in himself. This is tardish behaviour. I am not attacking him, just stating my opinion. If you don't like it, don't try to BS me with "attacking" and "best volleyer on tour". Keep that for CD. Show me some hard proof. As far as I'm concerned, he's a baseliner who puts away easy volleys. The onus is on you to prove me wrong as that's his accepted game.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-15-2012, 09:46 AM
nadal wins no slams no masters.- maybe a 250

federer wins 25 slams all masters

nole wins a slam or 2 at a o

safin nalbandian haas all dominate

tennis saved

sexybeast
06-15-2012, 12:01 PM
Fed, Nadal and Djokovic would still be top 3.

Fujee
06-15-2012, 12:13 PM
http://www.sportweek.fr/commun/src/c0/2006-marat-safin-pose-tenue-autre-temps-avec-tommy-haas-lors-c7739.jpg

Amazing!

Pajero de Nadal
06-15-2012, 06:52 PM
i dont see how Untalented Fartsurer would win a single game out of players likeNadal with wood raquets. hi no understand!

Orka_n
06-15-2012, 09:01 PM
Rafael Nadal is one of the best volleyer's on tour..... :o

how embarassing, trying to attack Nadal always but failing when you get the chance... I mean it would be one thing to comment on his lack of spin with wooden rackets and how his serve might be even a bigger weakness than it already is if forced to use wooden, but his volleying? do you know what you are talking about at all?He might, but you obviously don't. Nadal one of the best volleyers on tour :lol: take of your fanboy glasses for a moment. Nadal is a decent volleyer but he only comes in on easy shots and his punch volleys are not impressive at all. His drop volleys are good but that's about it. There are loads of guys who are better at volleys than him but I guess you only watch tennis when the top 2 are playing.

mooncreek
06-16-2012, 02:05 AM
Of those in the Top 10 currently, I can see Federer, Murray, Berdych (who'd be a serve-and-volleyer), and Tsonga being about the same. Tough to picture players like del Potro and Isner even playing the game.

Djokovic would likely adjust his game to be in the top 10. Nadal would have the endurance of Borg but he'd actually be on the same level as Ferrer due to how spin is such a major factor.

dencod16
06-16-2012, 02:12 PM
I dont know about Nadal but i think he will be a bit lesser borg, but still on top of tennis and maybe dominate French still, cant see him winning other Slams. Djokovic depends on what style he plays cause he has change his playing style a bit, think he will do well. Likes of Federer, Berdych, and Roddick i think will dominate. Ferrer and Monaco i think can do well as the can handle low balls well.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
06-16-2012, 04:29 PM
I would also say Federer and Murray.

How Rafa would do is anyone's guess because his topspin forehand would be simply impossible to hit with a wooden racquet.