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Who WOULD Win: Djokovic VS Murray [Wimbledon]

Federer in 2
06-14-2012, 10:55 AM
Sorry for jumping ahead of myself, I know it might happen in a couple of weeks. But as you know Roger will probably end up in Novak's half again, so I was wondering who do u think would win this match. Can Murray beat Djokovic in a 5 setter on grass?

Chase Visa
06-14-2012, 10:56 AM
I reckon he could at full fitness, but he's probably doomed right now.

TigerTim
06-14-2012, 10:58 AM
last year I would have said yes, this year? I highly doubt it.

Voted Djokovic in 4. 6-7, 7-6, 6-2, 6-4

Backhand_Maestro
06-14-2012, 10:59 AM
Djoker 6-2 6-1 6-0

Hian-GOAT
06-14-2012, 10:59 AM
Let's see how trolly can be Murraytards.

Ben.
06-14-2012, 11:04 AM
If he can play as well as he did against him in AO. That is how he needs to play, the awful fourth set aside.

paseo
06-14-2012, 11:31 AM
Roger will probably definitely end up in Novak's half again

Fixed.

Moozza
06-14-2012, 11:46 AM
I reckon he could at full fitness, but he's probably doomed right now.

I think Murrays fitness is fine, I don't think it will be a problem at wimbledon.

I think Murray could beat Djokovic. He was very close at the AO and djokovic is much better on Hard than grass.

DjokerFan3
06-14-2012, 12:21 PM
If it's in the final, Djoker in 3

If it's in the semis, Djoker in 4

Just my $0.02 :shrug:

Pratik
06-14-2012, 12:27 PM
tg56itziNMI#t=0m26s

Just change Federer to Djokovic in the video

ossie
06-14-2012, 01:11 PM
I think Murrays fitness is fine, I don't think it will be a problem at wimbledon.

I think Murray could beat Djokovic. He was very close at the AO and djokovic is much better on Hard than grass.so is murray

Wing Man Frank
06-14-2012, 01:14 PM
It'll be the same old rubbish with Federer playing Djokovic.

Becoming a bit of a joke really.

BroTree123
06-14-2012, 01:14 PM
Djokovic in 3.

GSMnadal
06-14-2012, 01:29 PM
Nole 7-5 in the fifth, Murray serving for the match at 5-4 probably

MIMIC
06-14-2012, 01:29 PM
tg56itziNMI#t=0m26s

Just change Federer to Djokovic in the video

"The ultimate level: the semi-finals"

:spit:

sexybeast
06-14-2012, 01:31 PM
Murray got a better volley, slice and 1st serve/1st serve return. I think Murray would beat Djokovic if he plays like he did in Australia this year.

uxyzapenje
06-14-2012, 01:49 PM
Murray wins if he can repeat his GOAT play from the Mahut match :o

Looner
06-14-2012, 01:50 PM
Djokovic in 4 max. I don't think Murray will even take a set, that's how bad he is mentally currently.

LastRocket
06-14-2012, 02:20 PM
Easy for the Djoker in 3

Fireballer
06-14-2012, 02:25 PM
Murray got a better volley, slice and 1st serve/1st serve return. I think Murray would beat Djokovic if he plays like he did in Australia this year.

so he only needs to play at 100% while Djoker is at 70% and BAM he might win

sexybeast
06-14-2012, 02:48 PM
so he only needs to play at 100% while Djoker is at 70% and BAM he might win

Murray has beaten Djokovic everytime they played on faster courts.

Dubai 6-2, 7-5
Cincy 2011 6-4, 3-0 RET
Cincy 2008 7-6(4), 7-6(5)

Djokovic only beats Murray on slow hardcourt and clay, indoors, grass and fast hardcourts should be to Murray's advantage, specially claycourts.

murex
06-14-2012, 02:59 PM
Andy can beat Novak on masters,but on GS :silly::superlol:

Lurking
06-14-2012, 03:02 PM
The QF against Tomic last year at Wimbledon clearly didn't happen in most Nole trolls minds.

Orange Wombat
06-14-2012, 03:04 PM
Is it final or semifinal? Because final Nole would win 6-2 6-0 6-2. And semifinal Nole would win 6-4 6-7 6-3 7-5

Fireballer
06-14-2012, 03:22 PM
Murray has beaten Djokovic everytime they played on faster courts.

Dubai 6-2, 7-5
Cincy 2011 6-4, 3-0 RET
Cincy 2008 7-6(4), 7-6(5)

Djokovic only beats Murray on slow hardcourt and clay, indoors, grass and fast hardcourts should be to Murray's advantage, specially claycourts.

Dubai this year-worst match Djokovic played this year
Cincy 2011-injury as we all know
Cincy 2008-was 4 years ago kinda irrelevant at this point

Fireballer
06-14-2012, 03:22 PM
The QF against Tomic last year at Wimbledon clearly didn't happen in most Nole trolls minds.

dude what happened?Did Nole lose?Please do tell?

Chase Visa
06-14-2012, 03:25 PM
The QF against Tomic last year at Wimbledon clearly didn't happen in most Nole trolls minds.

Maybe they realise Tomic is the next GOAT :devil:

Chirag
06-14-2012, 03:26 PM
easy win for Djokovic :rocker2:

cutesteve22
06-14-2012, 05:18 PM
Djokovic 6-1 3-6 7-5 6-4

Mark Lenders
06-14-2012, 05:25 PM
Murray would lose before getting to Djokovic.

If he somehow got there, Nole in 4.

Jimnik
06-14-2012, 05:44 PM
Djoker should be better prepared after skipping Queens and Halle. Wimbledon surface plays much more like RG.

BauerAlmeida
06-14-2012, 05:46 PM
Murray would lose before getting to Djokovic.

If he somehow got there, Nole in 4.

This.

tektonac
06-14-2012, 06:01 PM
people are downplaying andy, but he may surprise us all.

sexybeast
06-14-2012, 06:11 PM
Dubai this year-worst match Djokovic played this year
Cincy 2011-injury as we all know
Cincy 2008-was 4 years ago kinda irrelevant at this point

Excuses, Djokovic is very beatable on faster courts. 2008 is more relevant than 2011 because that year was the exception for all we know and 2008 is closer to his level in 2012 than anything else.

We all saw 18 year old Tomic slice Djokovic to death and mix things up last year in Wimbledon, what you think Murray could do on grass against Djokovic?

This is not even Djokovic 2011, he wont walk on water this year.

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 07:27 PM
Djokovic has looked vulnerable this year. But Murray has played poorly recently, so he's not really in a position to capitalize I think. Right now, I have to go with Novak.

Can Murray beat him? Yes. Will Murray beat him? I'm hopeful, but not at all confident.

Sapeod
06-14-2012, 07:30 PM
At their best on fast grass, Murray stomps. At their best on slow grass, 50/50. Right now? Probably Djokovic.

Hian-GOAT
06-14-2012, 07:45 PM
At their best on fast grass, Murray stomps. At their best on slow grass, 50/50. Right now? Probably Djokovic.

50/50 :spit:

Fireballer
06-14-2012, 07:46 PM
At their best on fast grass, Murray stomps. At their best on slow grass, 50/50. Right now? Probably Djokovic.

At their best Djoker always wins given that he is a better player on every surface

Sapeod
06-14-2012, 07:50 PM
50/50 :spit:
At his best, Andy has a very good shot at Djokovic at Wimbledon even on slow grass.

At their best Djoker always wins given that he is a better player on every surface
No, on faster surfaces, Murray is better. He has won all of their matches that they played on fast hardcourt. I believe someone's already posted those wins in this thread. Take a look.

Hian-GOAT
06-14-2012, 07:59 PM
Sapeod teaching to peasants the maestry of Lord Murray :worship:

mooncreek
06-14-2012, 08:00 PM
I have to admit I am crossing my fingers that they end up in the same half. I honestly don't care about Federer/Nadal - I just want these two to play (though Tsonga did deny us of Federer/Djokovic 2.0, which would be interesting as well on this surface. I'm just sick of Rafa and Andy in the same half since we know Andy can't beat him in on grass).

I'd like to say that Murray would win since I think he's better on grass than Djokovic. However, it's a semi - we all know how Brits are in the semis of Wimbledon - so I'm picking Djokovic in 5 to be as torturous as possible.

Since this match would be in a semi - and the prospect of a Brit in a Wimbledon final - I do give Djokovic the edge but it'd go five sets because it has be as torturous as possible.

Sham Kay
06-14-2012, 10:35 PM
Murray would win pretty easily if he made it to Djokovic.

Unfortunately, the precious backbone of Scotland will have to struggle bravely through the rough waves of the draw to get to him, dramatically fighting through one MaGOAT after another, only to eventually fall after a titanic butt clenching battle against a titan such as Troicki

Federer in 2
06-14-2012, 10:52 PM
Really that one sided ? :O

Commander Data
06-14-2012, 10:59 PM
Murray has nor the skills nor the mentality to beat Djokovic. Djokovic in 4 if Murray has a good day.

Fireballer
06-14-2012, 11:03 PM
No, on faster surfaces, Murray is better. He has won all of their matches that they played on fast hardcourt. I believe someone's already posted those wins in this thread. Take a look.

1 W>0 W
1 US Open>0 US Opens
Djoker is better than Murray on every surface

rocketassist
06-14-2012, 11:04 PM
Murray would be delighted to have Djokovic in his half for Wimbledon considering mentally he's fallen short against Nadal twice here and came ever so close to beating Nole in what's essentially his own backyard of Melbourne.

Fireballer
06-14-2012, 11:06 PM
Murray would be delighted to have Djokovic in his half for Wimbledon considering mentally he's fallen short against Nadal twice here and came ever so close to beating Nole in what's essentially his own backyard of Melbourne.

you do know that Djoker was not playing his best tennis at this AO in that SF and final really while Muray was for the most part at 100%...but I agree he has more chances against Nole than Nadal

rocketassist
06-14-2012, 11:09 PM
you do know that Djoker was not playing his best tennis at this AO in that SF and final really while Muray was for the most part at 100%...but I agree he has more chances against Nole than Nadal

Yet he still won both in marathon times. Murray didn't get enough credit for that performance- he hit his forehand better than at any point since USO 08 and used the right tactics, but Nole mentally again was just on another planet.

A Wimbledon clash would be intriguing, but don't expect it. Expect the usual semi final draw.

Sham Kay
06-14-2012, 11:13 PM
So remind me. Is the Wimby surface gonna be faster than last year? Ah, don't know that yet.. but If so, Murray has at least a 40% chance at it methinks. Not like Djoker's going to serve/volley him off the court.

That was only a partially biased statement. I don't need a full-blown biased statement since I voted for Murray in 4..

SerialKillerToBe
06-14-2012, 11:18 PM
Djokovic is a superior tennis player. End of story.

Fireballer
06-14-2012, 11:26 PM
Yet he still won both in marathon times. Murray didn't get enough credit for that performance- he hit his forehand better than at any point since USO 08 and used the right tactics, but Nole mentally again was just on another planet.

A Wimbledon clash would be intriguing, but don't expect it. Expect the usual semi final draw.

you think?

ahadabans
06-14-2012, 11:40 PM
I hope Murray and Djoker meet in the semi's at Wimbledon. They've never played each other there. And I'd rather get a rematch between Fed and Nadal in the other half of the draw. Then if I'm lucky, I would get a Murray/Nadal final. That would be win/win for me as I like both players.

rocketassist
06-14-2012, 11:46 PM
you think?

Probably, always seems it. DJO-FED, MUR-NAD. Organisers think a Fedal final is a cash cow, wouldn't surprise me if they fix it for that reason.

stewietennis
06-15-2012, 12:49 AM
Novak would win, not easily mind you, but the end result should not be in doubt. He's won there before and has been in more finals than Murray. If it was a Final match, Murray would likely shrink due to the situation – Wimbledon Final in London. There would be little pressure on Djokovic but a nation would be weighing on Murray's shoulders. Novak has stared down match points and won. In Australia, Murray had a 2-1 set lead and gave up on the 4th set the minute his serve was broken. Even if we say their tennis skills are equal (which they're not), the ability to fight through near-defeat and grind out a win isn't in Murray's personality yet.

ahadabans
06-15-2012, 12:57 AM
Novak would win, not easily mind you, but the end result should not be in doubt. He's won there before and has been in more finals than Murray. If it was a Final match, Murray would likely shrink due to the situation – Wimbledon Final in London. There would be little pressure on Djokovic but a nation would be weighing on Murray's shoulders. Novak has stared down match points and won. In Australia, Murray had a 2-1 set lead and gave up on the 4th set the minute his serve was broken. Even if we say their tennis skills are equal (which they're not), the ability to fight through near-defeat and grind out a win isn't in Murray's personality yet.

I don't know why everyone is so quick to dismiss Murray. Murray has won 5 of their last 9 meetings. They've never played each other on grass, so I think it's a bit premature to be saying the results are NID. I agree Djokovic is stronger mentally and has not lost to him in a best of 5, so I can see why you would give the edge to Novak. But saying Murray has no chance is silly IMO.

Alex999
06-15-2012, 01:01 AM
Yet he still won both in marathon times. Murray didn't get enough credit for that performance- he hit his forehand better than at any point since USO 08 and used the right tactics, but Nole mentally again was just on another planet.

A Wimbledon clash would be intriguing, but don't expect it. Expect the usual semi final draw.
Murray gave it all in that match (100% for sure), but still it wasn't enough. I disagree that Murray didn't get enough credit ... he played a great match ... the only thing is that 'the winner takes it all' ... remember that old song from ABBA ;)

Nole fan
06-15-2012, 01:04 AM
I'd say Djoker in 3, but to give Murray the benefit of the doubt and because he usually makes their matches competitive, probably in 4.

teacherling
06-15-2012, 01:04 AM
Murray would be delighted to have Djokovic in his half for Wimbledon considering mentally he's fallen short against Nadal twice here and came ever so close to beating Nole in what's essentially his own backyard of Melbourne.

Andy Murray is a great player, very talented and gutsy. However he has many psychological ups and downs (who hasn't them, just look at Novak, the perennial mental giant who slips every now and then). These psychological weaknesses have proven to be his doom in ALL important events on court, unfortunately. I hope he overcomes his traumas and wish him well. Until he does, he stands no chance against a sharp professional player who has a plan and a motive. End of story for me. (On the other hand, shot-wise and strategy-wise, Murray is ((no irony here)) a great tennis player). The scariest thing about Murray in the eyes of his supporters is that he just might end up as the most promising player of all time who never delivered. I like his game and his intelligence though.

Yolita
06-15-2012, 03:12 AM
Probably, always seems it. DJO-FED, MUR-NAD. Organisers think a Fedal final is a cash cow, wouldn't surprise me if they fix it for that reason.
I'm not saying they fix the draws in Wimbledon...But if they do and they want a Fedal match, they're bound to know that Novak has beaten Roger in 6 of their last 7 matches. The last two times were real beatings. So, maybe they would play safe and draw Roger in Rafa's half, just to make sure they have a Fedal match, even if it's in the semis.

heya
06-15-2012, 05:39 AM
it's a crime to allow weaponless, useless slow players in every draw that has federer. slow players just smile and turn into little girls

scoutreporter
06-15-2012, 07:25 AM
Excuses, Djokovic is very beatable on faster courts. 2008 is more relevant than 2011 because that year was the exception for all we know and 2008 is closer to his level in 2012 than anything else.

We all saw 18 year old Tomic slice Djokovic to death and mix things up last year in Wimbledon, what you think Murray could do on grass against Djokovic?

This is not even Djokovic 2011, he wont walk on water this year.

OMG STFU... Tomic sliced Djokovic to death?!?! Come on! the game was over in 4 sets, and Djokovic played pretty bad for hes standars... And you talk about cincy 2008, he lost two sets in tiebreaks, and he had Murray under control for the whole match, he was unlucky to lose that one, i remember the match , and it felt like he gave it away, not that murray won it, if you ca follow me... All your comments are anti Djokovic, so your comments about Nole don't make sence, cause you are a hater...

scoutreporter
06-15-2012, 07:29 AM
At their best on fast grass, Murray stomps. At their best on slow grass, 50/50. Right now? Probably Djokovic.

Since Murray is so superior on grass, why have he not won Wimbledon yet, or at least made the finals, at least once...? while Djokovic have won it...

ahadabans
06-15-2012, 07:53 AM
Since Murray is so superior on grass, why have he not won Wimbledon yet, or at least made the finals, at least once...? while Djokovic have won it...

Because Murray crumbles under the pressure of big matches.

But I'm not sure if Murray is better on grass or not. They've never played each other. Murray pushed Nadal one year at Wimbledon, so he can clearly play on that surface. Djokovic can clearly play on that surface as witnessed by last year. But I don't think Djokovic moves all that well on grass. It is not a comfortable surface for him.

sexybeast
07-09-2012, 06:53 PM
In the top 4 all matchups have by now been explored on every surface except Djokovic-Murray on grass and Federer-Murray on clay.

Who do you think would win this matchup? Who do you consider to be the superior player on grass?

Both have 5 QF and 4 SFs and 1 final in Wimbledon. But Djokovic won his final while Murray lost his. However Murray has 2 grasscourt titles in Queens, his W/L is .797 while Djokovic's is .782.

If we look beyond stats, Murray has a game that suits grass and uses the attributes of a grasscourt while Djokovic plays the same as on a hardcourt and gets into great trouble as soon as he plays against anyone with variation and a good slice (Haas, Federer, Tomic), his slice is horrible and his volleys are atrocious but he is harder to overpower than Murray and less passive from the baseline, with a much better 2nd serve.

I think Murray has alot more potential than Djokovic on the surface, but he lacks DJokovic's mental strength. Still I cant really see how Djokovic would beat Murray on grass as Murray would use his slice and variation to get Djokovic out of his rythm, it comes as no surprise that Murray has a positive h2h against Djokovic on faster more low bouncing surfaces while Djokovic outrallies Murray on slower surfaces.

If Djokovic had so much trouble against 18 year old Tomic surely Murray with alot more weapons than Tomic would find a way to beat Djokovic on grass, I really hope to see Murray play Djokovic in the Olympics SF and I think he would beat Djokovic much in the fashion he beat him in Dubai.

finishingmove
07-09-2012, 07:12 PM
If Murray gets his shit together, with his game, he should be beating Djokovic on both hardcourts and grass.

With that said, Murray won't get his shit together soon.

Sofonda Cox
07-09-2012, 07:13 PM
Murray won't get his shit together soon.

Not after Sunday, he was mentally destroyed by GOAT:hearts:

Jakezie
07-09-2012, 07:13 PM
I think Murray has alot more potential than Djokovic on the surface, but he lacks DJokovic's mental strength.

Completely agree with that line. From my perspective Andy played better at Wimbledon this year than Nole did. Novak just looked dull this year on grass and relied on his experience and mental strength to get through to the later rounds. I honestly think that if these two played today on grass it would be a mental battle and in that sense Djokovic would come out on top however next year may be different, since Lendl has came in Andy looks a lot stronger both physically and mentally with his game and I hope that this continues throughout the next year or so.

EddieNero
07-09-2012, 07:16 PM
Provided it's not a final, Murray quite comfortably.

sweetkit
07-09-2012, 07:18 PM
No brainer here. Murray of the current will top prime Djoko on grass.

sweetkit
07-09-2012, 07:19 PM
It's actually quite a shame they took the same amount of sets off the GOAT this year. No way it represents the reality.

Nole Rules
07-09-2012, 07:22 PM
Provided it's not a final, Murray quite comfortably.

No brainer here. Murray of the current will top prime Djoko on grass.

:superlol:

Mark Lenders
07-09-2012, 07:26 PM
Murray is being overrated on grass. He benefits from slower second week conditions even more than Nadal does, considering his serve isn't as effective on the surface as Rafa's

nick the greek
07-09-2012, 07:29 PM
It's actually quite a shame they took the same amount of sets off the GOAT this year. No way it represents the reality.
Who?As for Andy v Nole on grass,we'll have to wait and find out.

Nole Rules
07-09-2012, 07:32 PM
Murray is being overrated on grass. He benefits from slower second week conditions even more than Nadal does, considering his serve isn't as effective on the surface as Rafa's

Murray took only one set from Nadal in 3 meetings in wimbledon. I mean even Delpo took a set from Nadal in his 1st try in wimbledon. :lol: Nole took a set form Nadal in 2007 and beat him in the final 2011. Andy can only dream about beating Nadal in wimbledon.

If they meet on grass, Nole will win in 4 sets max.

rocketassist
07-09-2012, 07:36 PM
Murray is being overrated on grass. He benefits from slower second week conditions even more than Nadal does, considering his serve isn't as effective on the surface as Rafa's

No one benefits from 2nd week more than Rafa and maybe Nole. Murray always serves well here. It's been arguably his best serving tournament for several years. It's won him some tough matches, most notably Tsonga in the 2010 quarters when Jo was on fire for the first two sets, the serve got him out. He also outaced, outpointed and out-winnered Roddick in the 09 semis, but A-Rod was unbelievably clutch that day. 2nd week grass hindered Murray in both of the semis against Nadal as he couldn't hit through him whereas on hard courts he's had moderate success in doing so.

Nadal wins Wimbledon if he gets past R2 or R3 because on second week conditions it's impossible to hit through him. If Rosol had tried what he tried in a SF or F he'd lose like 2, 3 and 2. He doesn't need a serve to win here once he gets past R2 or R3, while it's more difficult to expose Djoker's weaker movement on it due to players lacking slice, variety, ability to take him out of his comfort zone, something Fed did to remarkable excellence on Friday.

rocketassist
07-09-2012, 07:38 PM
Murray took only one set from Nadal in 3 meetings in wimbledon. I mean even Delpo took a set from Nadal in his 1st try in wimbledon. :lol: Nole took a set form Nadal in 2007 and beat him in the final 2011. Andy can only dream about beating Nadal in wimbledon.

If they meet on grass, Nole will win in 4 sets max.

Given Andy took him the distance at Nole's best slam and surface, it's not inconceivable to think he'd be a real thorn in his side on a surface he serves better, returns better and moves better than the Djoker on- although Nole still has the forehand and mental superiority in the bank.

Roy Emerson
07-09-2012, 07:39 PM
Depends. If it is Wimbledon final, Djoko probably wins.

romismak
07-09-2012, 07:40 PM
It is close but i would still give the edge to Murray, before 2011 Murray was clearly better grass-courter, now Nole somehow improoved, but still Murray i think is little bit better on grass, i mean 4 SF in row-including 1 F, Novak was just lucky to win that final in his best season vs somebody he had mental edge in that time. Novak never even won Queens or Halle, Murray had. I think it is close but Murray is little bit better something like 55-45 in Murray´s favour

sexybeast
07-09-2012, 07:44 PM
Federer played at a much higher level against Murray than Djokovic, still I felt Murray could win that match. Djokovic never seemed dangerous at all to Federer, Federer never had to raise his level and play his best tennis, his forehand was subpar the whole SF match.

Murray also read Federer's serve better than anyone I have ever seen on grass, he got most first serves back and the match ended with Federer having almost half the amount of returned serves to Murray (I think it was something like Murray having 50 serves unreturned to Federer's 30). So much for the "serverer" nickname...

Litotes
07-09-2012, 07:47 PM
Nadal wins Wimbledon if he gets past R2 or R3 because on second week conditions it's impossible to hit through him.

A little correction - Nadal reaches the final if he gets past R2 og R3. He is never a certainty to win the final. And besides, his grass prime may have passed. After Djokovic pummeled him everywhere last year I bet he put in some extra time on clay to ensure at least that surface for himself, lowering his chances on grass and HC.

Federer in 2
07-09-2012, 07:51 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=204028

sexybeast
07-09-2012, 07:53 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=204028

Oh, I should have remembered that thread as I was active debating there just 1 month ago.... :o

uxyzapenje
07-09-2012, 07:55 PM
No brainer here. Murray of the current will top prime Djoko on grass.

Current Murray beats Novak 2.0 from last year? :facepalm:

Let me guess guys, Novak is now the 4th best in player in the world? Stupid mug only has 2 GSs and 1 final and SF, we should give him mug of the month title.

Fed fordawin
07-09-2012, 08:00 PM
Easy win for Murray.

sexybeast
07-09-2012, 08:03 PM
OMG STFU... Tomic sliced Djokovic to death?!?! Come on! the game was over in 4 sets, and Djokovic played pretty bad for hes standars... And you talk about cincy 2008, he lost two sets in tiebreaks, and he had Murray under control for the whole match, he was unlucky to lose that one, i remember the match , and it felt like he gave it away, not that murray won it, if you ca follow me... All your comments are anti Djokovic, so your comments about Nole don't make sence, cause you are a hater...

I am not so anti-Djokovic as you might think. When Djokovic had won only 2 slams I was already predicting he would be greater than greats like Wilander:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=183800&highlight=

Everyone laughting at me some 16 months ago, but the laughter did fade away at the end of the year. I have several times made statements about Djokovic beeing far greater on clay than his results show evidence for, beeing unlucky to peak at Nadal's era, he would win 2-3 RGs in other eras. However no one has won Wimbledon with such an awful slice, volley and smash as Djokovic got and he is not a very good grasscourter at all. Is that so difficult to accept?

sweetkit
07-09-2012, 08:08 PM
Current Murray beats Novak 2.0 from last year? :facepalm:

Let me guess guys, Novak is now the 4th best in player in the world? Stupid mug only has 2 GSs and 1 final and SF, we should give him mug of the month title.
Never understood that "2.0" thing, however he's tied as #2 best player with Murray now. Guess Murray is more a favourite for the Olympics but Nole for the USO. Anyways, the current number one player in the world is everyone's biggest obstacle to win a thing in any draw.

Mountaindewslave
07-09-2012, 08:26 PM
Murray is probably the better grass court player BUT mentally there is just no way he can grind out the win against Djokovic, well spray errors when things get tight

Roy Emerson
07-09-2012, 08:39 PM
Murray is probably the better grass court player BUT mentally there is just no way he can grind out the win against Djokovic, well spray errors when things get tight

Mental strength is huge. Nole is nothing special on grass but won wimbledon. Nadal is nothing special on hc but won USO and AO.

Murray is better on grass than Djoko and better on hc than Nadal but has zero slams there. No mental fortitude.

MuzzahLovah
07-09-2012, 09:49 PM
I think Murray matches up well against him, but I think Djokovic is fitter and mentally stronger so I wouldn't rule him out. With regards to Nole vs Nadal on grass /Murray vs. Nadal, that's a terrible metric. Murray has variety, which troubles Nole much more than Nadal,

abraxas21
07-09-2012, 09:51 PM
murray is the more talented player and also a better player overall.

so him.

sweetkit
07-09-2012, 09:58 PM
murray is the more talented player and also a better player overall.

so him.
truer words were never spoken. close this thread ffs now.

mooncreek
07-09-2012, 11:42 PM
I give the edge to Murray. I think the skills are roughly the same - this year, definitely Andy was the better but I wouldn't say that last year. Any grass court match would be played in the UK, with a crowd that would decidedly be against Novak. If it was on Centre Court, I could see Novak getting really irritated.

EliSter
07-09-2012, 11:50 PM
truer words were never spoken. close this thread ffs now.

:facepalm: Fedtards never seize to amaze me with idiocy. Is wimbledon started playing from this year so Mugray is 2nd best? Until proven other wise Federer >>> Nadal > Novak >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mugray.

Federer in 2
08-03-2012, 08:53 PM
Well it wasn't Wimbledon, but it was Wimbledon :D

sexybeast
08-03-2012, 10:08 PM
Want to see Djokovic play Murray now in USO SF, grasscourt is too easy for Murray.

Paylu2007
08-03-2012, 10:16 PM
Murray in 2

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