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Roddick-Stefanki coaching

dencod16
06-13-2012, 04:06 PM
Do you think that Stefanki has been a good influence on Roddick by giving him more an all-round player
Or has he completely ruined Roddick by trying to turn him into an all-round player which is not his natural game, lost the serve and the big forehand.

tennisfan856
06-13-2012, 04:10 PM
Funny that you posted this, I was going to make a comment in the match thread about it.

He has completely ruined Roddick and I hope no one ever hires him again. The smug smile he always had on, like he enjoyed the work of destruction he laid out on his pupil.

Burrow
06-13-2012, 04:24 PM
I have no idea why Roddick is paying this man. And this "better all-round player" nonsense is just that.

People seem to forget that Roddick did approach the net in the earlier part of the 2000's, but less frequently and with more success. Coming in behind extremely poor approach shots is suicidal, especially today with slow courts year round.

And he's been passive for more than 6 years and Stefanki only seemed to encourage this.

At the Australian Open 2009 many credited Stefanki for Roddick's apparent increase in fitness, but he's been like a yo-yo fitness-wise throughout his career.

It's puzzling and frustrating to watch.

dencod16
06-13-2012, 04:27 PM
I have no idea why Roddick is paying this man. And this "better all-round player" nonsense is just that.

People seem to forget that Roddick did approach the net in the earlier part of the 2000's, but less frequently and with more success. Coming in behind extremely poor approach shots is suicidal, especially today with slow courts year round.

And he's been passive for more than 6 years and Stefanki only seemed to encourage this.

At the Australian Open 2009 many credited Stefanki for Roddick's apparent increase in fitness, but he's been like a yo-yo fitness-wise throughout his career.

It's puzzling and frustrating to watch.

Im happy that im not the only one who thought this, i thought it will bashing roddick thread which made me sad. I feel like if he sticks to his aggressive game which made him beat Nadal and Federer, he will be at least a top 15 player.

Wing Man Frank
06-13-2012, 04:28 PM
He's clearly going through the motion's mentally which doesn't help.

Would anyone actually be surprised if he retired this year?

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-13-2012, 04:32 PM
stefanki knows fuck all about tennis

these sandpaper slow courts DO NOT ALLOW ANY TYPE OF VOLLEY

and especially not ones from roddicks epic shit approach shots of hilarity

edberg would be losing R1 at wimbledon (slight exaggeration there.) because its become RG part 2

so stefanki teaching roddick to come in shows how crystal meth'd he must be

roddick should be going back to his basics

big serve

fh winner

simple but deadly play

SheepleBuster
06-13-2012, 04:33 PM
Stefanki is good as a janitor or cleaner. Other than that, he killed Roddick's career.

Fumus
06-13-2012, 05:06 PM
LOL - pretty sure 2009 under Larry was one of the best years of Andy's Career...also he backed that up back by winning Miami and reaching the finals of IW.

I don't think he killed Andy's career I think he squeezed the last ounce of results from it.

TigerTim
06-13-2012, 05:07 PM
Andy is unfit, that is Andy's problem no doubt.

Leo
06-13-2012, 05:38 PM
LOL - pretty sure 2009 under Larry was one of the best years of Andy's Career...also he backed that up back by winning Miami and reaching the finals of IW.

I don't think he killed Andy's career I think he squeezed the last ounce of results from it.

This is the way I feel too. I don't think Stefanki is necessarily to blame.

dencod16
06-14-2012, 12:13 AM
LOL - pretty sure 2009 under Larry was one of the best years of Andy's Career...also he backed that up back by winning Miami and reaching the finals of IW.

I don't think he killed Andy's career I think he squeezed the last ounce of results from it.

That is the issue, his results at the beginning was good for a while as their main focus was fitness but it started to go bad as he started to employ the Stefanki style of play. Remember why Fernando Gonzalez left him, it was because Stefanki was telling him to reduce his serve speed and he didn't think it was a good decision. I think he doing the same with Roddick. Stefanki's problem is that he doesn't analyze the players game but his idea of what a player is. He tries to make Andy an all-court player, which obviously he isn't. His coaching will serve players like Gasquet and Dimitrov the best. I don't think it's fully his fault what happened but Roddick will have a better shot if he goes back to pre-Stefanki, controlling the points rather than being too crafty.

fivebargate
06-14-2012, 03:16 PM
LOL - pretty sure 2009 under Larry was one of the best years of Andy's Career...also he backed that up back by winning Miami and reaching the finals of IW.

I don't think he killed Andy's career I think he squeezed the last ounce of results from it.

Yup.

buzz
06-14-2012, 04:22 PM
LOL - pretty sure 2009 under Larry was one of the best years of Andy's Career...also he backed that up back by winning Miami and reaching the finals of IW.

I don't think he killed Andy's career I think he squeezed the last ounce of results from it.

I agree,

I think his 2002-2004 big serve big forehand game is not really suited to win slams in the 2005-now era. The fact is his big forehand was less consistent and less deadly then Federers, also his halfvolleys under pressure from the baseline were not top class. I Think his 2002-2004 game would have been grinded down/ counterpunched in the era that followed by top5 players.

And I believe he worked hard, and was pretty fit for most of his career.

decrepitude
06-14-2012, 04:30 PM
Remember why Fernando Gonzalez left him, it was because Stefanki was telling him to reduce his serve speed and he didn't think it was a good decision. .

He ruined Tim Henman's serve the same way. It went from being a good if a bit erratic serve, to a less erratic one which never got any free points and was easily attackable.

TigerTim
06-14-2012, 04:41 PM
He ruined Tim Henman's serve the same way. It went from being a good if a bit erratic serve, to a less erratic one which never got any free points and was easily attackable.

That was a disaster, Tim was a sitting duck when he approached the net on many occasions. Tim should have been in his prime, as soon as he left that loon he won Paris Masters and had his wonderful 2004. Apparently the change in serve also nearly destroyed his shoulder.

However I do think Roddicks pre 2006 power game would not work today so he had the right idea by trying to change it. Roddick is pretty old now, but then again so is Ferrer and Federer.

SheepleBuster
06-14-2012, 04:42 PM
He ruined Tim Henman's serve the same way. It went from being a good if a bit erratic serve, to a less erratic one which never got any free points and was easily attackable.

Yup. Everyone who has been with Stefanki has had great results at first but then things go South. Now let's face it. Roddick would still not beat Federer with or without Stefanki. But his serve is gone, his forehand is gone, and he is not fit anymore it seems.

Burrow
06-14-2012, 06:21 PM
There's nothing to suggest that Roddick's style of play prior to 2005 wouldn't work in today's game.

He had the biggest serve on tour and on its day, the best forehand on tour. That combination could work in any era. He was also very speedy running horizontally and he was agile for anyone, never mind for a large man.

If he reached the 2009 Wimbledon final, beating Andy Murray in somewhat similar fashion to how he played during his glory days, then I see no reason why his initial game wouldn't work on 'faster' courts. Even in that match, he was coming in behind predictable, rubbish slice approach shots to Murray's forehand and still won. And he certainly wasn't as nimble in 2009 as he was 5 years prior nor did his shots have the same zip.

If he'd played the whole of 2009 with the mindset he went into the Murray match with, he'd definitely have had much more success. He very nearly lost to a poor version of Hewitt in the previous round, adopting a different style. He's never been good enough defensively and he certainly wasn't physically fit enough (across the board) nor confident enough to execute such a game style that repels against his natural instincts and ways.

Fumus
06-14-2012, 06:29 PM
Andy changed his game to a more physical grinding one after he left Brad. So really 2005 is when Andy started to employ more of a physically grinding type of game. Serve big and grind out the breaks, it was the working man's mentality. Also it's the game style that always came natural to Andy as it was the game he played growing up..that is until he sprouted a few inches and became more physically able to play a bigger game.

Larry has always said, along with many of Andy's other previous coaches (his brother included) that he wants him to play "freeier" on the forehand and go bigger. The truth is and has always been that Andy will only play that way against the top guys he knows he can't out grind and force errors from. Check his wins over Nadal in Miami in 2010 and Federer there this year.

The coaching I think seems to motivate Andy a bit more, whenever he's switched coaches he's always gotten a bit more dedicated for awhile. With Jimmy he reached the USO finals, with Dean G it was Wimbledon finals, Brad obviously got him the open win...but of all the coaches I think Larry has given him the biggest boost.

I just think it's not a coaching issue, it's a mental issue...Roddick is missing that fire week in and week out that he used to have. I think it's easy to see how great of a competitor he really was out there. It was that fire, that drive and will to win that actually was the difference for him in many matches. Now that it seems through age and injury Andy has lost some of that he can't will himself to victory that often anymore.

Burrow
06-14-2012, 06:57 PM
The vast majority of juniors play the grinding game. It doesn't matter what level you're at, you can go anywhere, into academies, local clubs, wherever, most of the players will be trying to outlast the other, afraid of hitting the error. That's why very few transition well into the men's game. Now that the game has changed and the highest ranked players are those who possess the best defensive assets, that may change, but only slightly.

Roddick's problem wasn't caused by injury nor age. Soon as he began being coached by Dean Goldfine, everything changed. It was surprising at the time but it was even more surprising seeing him stick to a losing strategy. That type of game can work well against those who are lower ranked, who don't possess the weapons necessary to hit through a good athlete with a big serve, who can hold serve easily and grind you down on your own service games but it doesn't work against the big guns 9 times out of 10.

I don't think Roddick's too oblivious to the fact that his grinding game didn't work like his power game, but I doubt he has the courage to change, it's a habit and when he has played more aggressively he has reaped the rewards, but maybe by the time he realised, it was too late. I mean, that's pure speculation on my behalf. I sensed during that Wimbledon semi-final in 2009 that he said to himself that he had to go out there and chase the win rather than let the win come to him and it worked. He lost the final and it didn't take him too long to go back to the way he was.

I have no idea why he is paying Stefanki good money. He has more money he knows what to do with.

mooncreek
06-14-2012, 07:08 PM
That is the issue, his results at the beginning was good for a while as their main focus was fitness but it started to go bad as he started to employ the Stefanki style of play. Remember why Fernando Gonzalez left him, it was because Stefanki was telling him to reduce his serve speed and he didn't think it was a good decision. I think he doing the same with Roddick. Stefanki's problem is that he doesn't analyze the players game but his idea of what a player is. He tries to make Andy an all-court player, which obviously he isn't.
In 2009, Roddick had the right mix of his ways and Stefanki's ways. As time has gone on, Andy has forgotten what made him great. I wonder what made him flip the switch against Federer because he really hasn't played that style much at all the last 2 1/2 years.